Does it bother anyone else how some men are raised in a toxic masculinity culture?

[JessieBellll]

I see some men being in groups of people where toxic masculinity is promoted. This promotes unethical and discriminatatory beliefs and values.

For example, the belief older woman with young guy is OK but not with the genders reversed. Pedophiles included.

That men can't be feminine, gay etc. These groups judge them and dislike them.

Girls are studs, girls are sluts for having lot of partners etc and lot of other bullshit that is nonsensical.

I think these groups should be publicly discouraged and shamed.

[molonski2]

Id say any all male , club , party , holiday , sports trip , virtually always ends in diaster , all male toxicity , something I always disliked. Violent and Mucho bs --

[Likes2drive]

Not like you can do anything about it except avoid them

[MzAsh]

The best act of defense against this is disqualify these men (and the women who support them) out if the sexual market. It’s time to ghost them out of existence.

[MJtheCoach]

Anybody who uses those sentences together needs to be deported to Iran or Afghanistan or North Korea!!


tons of work for you there.


masculinity is not toxins he’s just what the 1% evil

people used and funded to them men into spineless gutless passive do nothing feminine men.


Men are biologically designed to be masculine if you’re saying that did the same thing she go for a woman woman should be removed from feminism they should be given by force testosterone pills to turn them into men to give them more hair on their face and under arms in the private areas.


And etc. etc…


Only brain dead brainwashed moron say those kind of statements I guess you learn nothing from lion king.

[JessieBellll]

I am talking about those who take their masculinity to the highest level and it makes them assholes.

You seem to be one of them hence why you are so triggered

[MJtheCoach]

Find yourself a lion that’s been neutered and declawed!
That’s not all be triggered that’s called what man sounds like
Do you live in such a Pussified any guy who sounds a bit masculine all the sudden makes you go apeshit.

[JessieBellll]

No, I don't mind masculine guys who are rational and know what they are doing.

These guys are biased as a result of toxic masculinity

[MJtheCoach]

There’s no such thing as toxic masculinity They are talks of people but not toxic masculinity this is why finding a Braveheart at 2021 is so difficult!

Feminism is toxic actually they’re parasites.

[JessieBellll]

It's a result of too much masculinity in my opinion

[JessieBellll]

It's because of too much masculinity and values associated with them

[MJtheCoach]

There’s no such thing as too much masculinity that’s stuff doesn’t really exist anymore most guys are the simps.

Don’t believe me go and any western culture and yell or a girl see how quickly guys are going to try to attack you yelling that’s it!

I’ll go places like Canada Australia New Zealand France Germany UK Ireland Sweden and try to talk with a passionate strong confident voice as a guy don’t attack you tell you to tone it down you’re angry blah blah blah..

Come on what delusional world you live in Jessica billing billing bell?

[TheLittleInnocent]

Lol I feel like ur that kinda guy

[MJtheCoach]

Your feeling will change in every 3 minutes

[TheLittleInnocent]

Huh?

[JessieBellll]

@TheLittleInnocent most of these men are

[Jaximus-Lion]

As a man that was botn and raised in Iraq (moved to Sweden when i was 20) this masculin way is THE ONLY WAY A MAN SHOULD BE. Yes! I grew up with that bullshit, i became an "alpha" as they say, as soon a kid back shed a year i was like : are you good Nancy? And burst in laughs. Only a man works, the woman is a house wife back in Iraq, men can cat call all other girls and women but if she stands for her self then she must had at least 100 guys in her. I bully these kind of guys, it's hilarious for me and i enjoy it. I am a chef so sometimes i bake, well many times, so a guy thought/said it's pretty gay that a man bakes. Yeah! The guy can't even look me the eyes anymore after i made fun of him and his mentality which other workers started doing the same abd called him (cave man). He had to transfere after 5 months. You can't shame them enough because this is has been going on for thousand of years and it won't change now.

[jshm2]

Nah, it's part of growing up. Men grow out of it when they mature. Obviously not every man matures.

As for the toxicity part. You need to remember that these are not fully mature men, but have fully matured bodies and social circles. Hence they become dangerous to certain individuals.

Some of the most dangerous people you will ever meet are not rapists, mobsters and killers. But people who will drive you down a path of despair to ruin your life. But the thing is: they can be men or women.

Too much emphasis is placed on men alone, in this regard.

[Not_Average]

Men acting like women is biologically unnatural. When we as humans deviate away from biological norms in any facet, we tend to face social ramifications. I think men need more “toxic masculinity” as the progressives call it. We’re garnering an entire generation of pussies.

[notwoke]

Amen, couldn't have said it better

[JessieBellll]

That's cowardly

[Not_Average]

Want to elaborate?

[JessieBellll]

You follow toxic masculinity because you have your own problems when many men don't follow toxic masculinity

[Not_Average]

I have issues, of course. Just as everyone else. I don’t see the correlation to “toxic masculinity” though. I think today’s generation of men lack back bone, and could never effectively lead in a stressful situation. Masculinity is a good thing and garners strong men.

[JessieBellll]

It depends, if they take it too far and become toxic as a result, it leads to wrong values being promoted

[Brokenheartedx]

When i was younger i got bullied off a gang of boys 5 or so years older than me... Their parents did fk all.. Theyd get their little brothers to kick me in the shins, yup walking home from school bumping into older bunch of boys encouraging their young brothers to kick me, if i pushed them away the mother would come out and shout at me one time in my face, i was 12 years old so id to stand being hit. I grew up to realise thay those boys were cowards and losers.

[JessieBellll]

Where were your parents?
That's awful

[Brokenheartedx]

My mum was single parent, she said to ignore them. My dad had left but had thumped a few of them but that didn't stop them.

[JessieBellll]

He should have spoken with the parents

[TheBootyChest]

I hate it so much.

When I am at work, and I am talking to a customer sometimes they are like "Thanks man". And I tell myself "Hey asshole don't call me that. That's disrespectful. I don't want to be known as a 'man'. I actually respect women unlike you."

[JessieBellll]

I am conflicted about you.

My post has nothing to do with respecting women but it's about sexism, and sick values being promoted and spread

[TheBootyChest]

I apologize if I am mixing up posts.

But my point is that I hate masculinity.

[notwoke]

Your offended by someone saying "Thanks man"? I just can't keep up with you people, it's not "safe" to talk to you. I need my safe space, lol

[Not_Average]

😂😂😂😂

[Heartache0405]

If you believe in toxic masculinity than you HAVE to believe in toxic femininity, otherwise you’re a misandrist and should be treated as such

[JessieBellll]

I do believe in both but this was about toxic masculinity

[Dargil]

Toxic femininity is Radical Feminism. Men have been virile for centuries.

[JessieBellll]

@Dargil radical feminism = toxic masculinity

[RichSD]

Toxic feminism is more dangerous. It not only does all the things that toxic masculinity does, it also keeps women from achieving equity by turning some people off to all feminists (non-toxic or not.)

Toxic feminists are a group that should also be publicly shamed.

[Better_off_here]

the whole system of dating and age is screwed up if you ask me.
anyone that sleeps with tons of others are sluts no matter the gender. men should not be looked upon as how many women they dated.
men do not know how to treat women for the most part.

[JessieBellll]

That's not really the case, I don't think these men I am talking about make up a majority

[snackthatsmilesback]

Yeah it seems hard to unlearn that. It's hard to learn that too. So I wish more people didn't start with being taught toxic shit. It would make things easier for them and others.

[Anonymous]

I mean I'm never going to date a girl with a high body count. I just won't. has nothing to do with masculinity or social constructs. the idea of being with someone with lots of sex partners literally just makes me want to vomit. Like a girl I was with told me she had X amount of partners one time and I wanted to vomit, literally vomit. Broke it off that same night.

[Strightwhitrepub]

If their decent men lots of this is just for jokes but some the POS they are serious in a sarcastic manner were its hard to tell if there serious or not. See what they do and say when your out with them. If they keep it up infront of you get rid of him. You should be more interesting than anyone else to him

[JCrockett]

It bothers me that such culture is labeled as toxic, and that there is so much resistance to it. We need a lot more traditional masculinity, not less.

[JessieBellll]

What are you referring to in my question?

[JessieBellll]

Which point?

[JCrockett]

I disagree with the idea that it's perfectly for men to be effeminate.

I also disagree that there's anything wrong or illogical about certain* double standards when it comes to male and female behavior. Men and women are different. They should act differently. It's possible for the same act to be bad for a man but good for a woman, and vice versa.

*Not all double standards are okay. Most aren't. But the fact that it is a double standard isn't want disqualifies it.

[JessieBellll]

That depends on what you mean, you seem quite close minded though which confirms by point

[JCrockett]

Idiots mistake confidence for close mindedness.

[JessieBellll]

Being sexist is confident?
Are you one of those pervs who don't mind female pedophiles?

That's as idiotic as it can get

[JCrockett]

No, being confident is confident. Name-calling doesn't do anything.

I disapprove of female pedophiles.

Also, I think it is bad for men to be sluts. I just think that it's even worse for women to be sluts.

[JessieBellll]

You say you disapprove it but your actions would show otherwise. I know many guys like that, it's just bias.

Regarding the slut shaming. It's the same thing, some people have a bias.

[JCrockett]

Oh, sure, you know all about my actions. *eyeroll*

Also, why are you trying to trot out bias? I am literally explicitly admitting that I have a bias (in the case of sluttiness). My point is that that bias is justified and proper.

[JessieBellll]

No bias is justified

[JCrockett]

That's an insane thing to say.

We live in a world of both imperfect information and significant trends. Bias is how we navigate a world without all the facts, in a way that is empirically likely to conform with reality.

[Dargil]

It bothers me that many men are raised to be wimpy, metrosexual snowflakes.
Toxic masculinity doesn't exist. It is being an ordinary male.

[JessieBellll]

Eh no, look at the things I mentioned. You suffer from it due to bias and prejudice as a result from toxic masculinity

[notwoke]

there no such thing as "toxic masculinity" masculinity is good, all things you mentioned are just plain true and no amount of gay sayings that feminists come up with is going to change that

[JessieBellll]

So you are a pedophile supporter?
How gross

[notwoke]

sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me

[JessieBellll]

I doubt it

[FinalFantasyBro]

I honestly don't believe in the whole " toxic masculinity" most people preach about today. While I definitely understand there are assholes out there but I don't blame masculinity for a person being a jerk.

[Snakeyes7]

None of this has anything to do with masculinity. This is how BOTH men and women view these issues, dare I say thus especially applies with women because they are the ones men actually go out of their way to impress or please.

[JessieBellll]

That's not true, woman typically don't have these values, they are men originated and a result of toxic masculinity

[Snakeyes7]

I'm saying it seems that women are the ones looking for those qualities that make up toxic masculinity, otherwise there would be no motivation to possess such characteristics.

[JessieBellll]

These characteristics are a result of men's bias and prejudice which stem from toxic masculinity

[Snakeyes7]

Bias and prejudice of what exactly? Other men? Unless they are gay, what motivation do they really have to make themselves sexually appealing to other men?

[JessieBellll]

They become biased towards the things I mentioned as a result of brainwashing by their social circle

[Snakeyes7]

If that's true then that should only exist within their social circle and would seem strange to other groups. The things you mentioned seem to be a universal thing.

[JessieBellll]

They are only promoted within certain social circles which proves my point

[Snakeyes7]

If that's the case, then it would seem strange to people outside of those groups, not promoted by men as a whole which is what I thought toxic masculinity is supposed to be.

Expectations placed on men by other men on how to behave even though the men under those expectations have no motivation to follow them (unless they are gay) if such expectations actually existed.

[Dchrls78104]

Yes, it might; toxic males may treat other men---not to mention women---like trash; they may want the other men to be toxic as they are.

[Anon621]

Well unfortunately that's probably true for most guys. It took me a long time to realize that and I really wish someone pointed it out to me earlier