Are harrassment, death threats, insults, etc justified, if you are a feminist?

[hi_it_is_me123]

So i am kinda shocked and scared that many people on gag are ok with hating, threating, insulting etc feminists.
For example I have seen a question about the "hypocrisy towards men" that insults towards men are accepted by the so called feminists and everyone agrees with it but at the same time people in the commentsection insulted feminists which is extremely hypocritical to me. Of course men should not be insulted or get hated by crazy feminists but if you hate/insult women for being feminist then you are a hypocrite.

I know some girls like me on gag who got deaths threats, insults, and got harrassed, spammed, stalked, and our opinions got systematically disliked just because some incels thought we are feminist or just because we had some "feminist opnions".

This is why i made my account private and blocked many people. Despite blocking these people, some incels create fake accounts to harrass me again. I was even thinking about going to police. Because of this i also try to make my old (and new) posts of mine private and try to be more inactive which is difficult for me because i really like some people on gag but it harms my mental health.

(Note: i am sorry if the question offends anyone and i may delete it if it offends many people)

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Please the description and not only the question. Of course i am not ok with harrassing feminists

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I dont call everyone an incel for critizising me but it is my fault since i express myself bad. I meant people who sent death threats and i call these people incels. I should not even use the word incel. So i am sorry. By the way i am against sexism towards men, and antiman statements , of course. I dont condone discrimination towards men. I apologize myself as a woman if you experienced sexism by radical feminists or women.

[RolandCuthbert]

Of course they are going to threaten your life. Because they are all cowards. They are just little boys who are playing around on the net. The hide their identities and hurl insults.

That is the tactic used by children. Not by rational, free-thinking men.

So I just treat them as such. But I understand why women would hide their identities or seek safe spaces. Because many of these dudes are out of their minds.

I worry about women in my family because they are educated and outspoken. Guys like the ones described can't take criticism, they can't think rationally and when you prove them wrong, they only know how to become abusive or violent.

[Jamie05rhs]

No, they are not justified. None of that is justified.

[OlderAndWiser]

Unfortunately, the MSM and the far left (and a few on the far right) have normalized the notion that if you are right, it is okay to use any means necessary to accomplish your goal. And that includes violence and threats.

They see no hypocrisy in saying, "I want a peaceful society and I'll kill anyone who disagrees with me."

[t-8900]

Rant incoming but I hope it's enlightening for you and heads up it's not bashing or anything:

Death threats and harassment? no, those are never justified... unless someone is a pedo, wife beater, or rapist. And then that's just the tip of the iceberg of what they deserve. Insults? Comes with the territory no matter where you are. People get insulted for everything. Sometimes an ideology directly affecting and hurting an individual is going to get them lashing out. It's just how it is. When a woman says she's a "feminist" I often question what she even means at this point. The textbook definition being repeated over and over again tells me nothing because the feminists I see dont talk about that but rather female domination in all things tbh. I have talked to many and by conversation's end they talk about installing a Matriarchy like it's going to be better.

Well, no, we've tried that many times and it fails the moment a conflict with a warring nation comes into the picture. But also it means it's not REALLY about equality. The ones I see are trying to make men accept all women and all choices women make and to even take them as gfs/partners despite their life choices. Women dont do this with men typically but men should do it for women? No, don't think so. If you are a woman who wants equality across the board, truly, no exceptions, then we are cool. We are thick as thieves. We are on the same page. But if you want to one up men for "wronging you" despite men today largely being in support of equality; well then, we have a serious issue.

I think once the #BelieveAllWomen #KillAllMen thing was out in the opened it soured the image for many men that were on the fence. That and lets be honest here, the education system is giving kickbacks for being born with a vagina. Not only is the education system now better tailored for female learning but men also dont get access to the same number of scholarships (especially white and Asian men). When I was in school we were hyper focused on the struggles of women and we had feminist guest speakers coming in during sex education. Guys got no such attention. And we dont have hardly any male role models in schools now, it's all female dominated.

I guess after a while of all this preaching and hyper feminized energy the guys as they got older realized they weren't given any consideration growing up and they just kinda said "screw this I'm out". Women don't need to take up every male space, it's unnessary and unwanted. I realized this has turned into a rant but hopefully and enlightening one on WHY some guys are just tired of the sh*t feminists in particular have put them through. Feminists are all too willing to talk about the struggles of women but rarely do they bring up the struggles of men. And even when they do they interject with their own theories as to why rather than asking the source.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Thank you for your reply. Feminism is about women rights so far i know and not about men. Man hate should not be tolerated of course and therr are many different feminists that we can't generalize and i personally know feminists that harshly critizise these manhating feminists. I personally dont understand the point of hating men except you are mentally ill due to a traumatic experience such as rape, abuse etc. Majority of feminazis i have seen had traumatic experience and they need therapy and not internet where they spread their hate. It is not normal und healthy to hate men. I can't imagine a grown ass mentally healthy woman hating men. This makes no sense to me except she is in a feminist cult lol but then she is brainwashed

Then men and women are different and i also think men should get something like feminism. I also dont believe in equality since women and men are different and men and women have different needs. One of the biggest problems women have is rape, sexual harrassment etc but men's biggest problem is suicide, violence for example. Yes men get raped, harrassed too but majority of men experience other problems rather than rape, sexual harrassment etc and in my experience men dont mind getting sexually harrassed by women but this does not justify any sexual harrassment of course. It is probably because of biology and since men are stronger and can defend themself

[hi_it_is_me123]

Another big problem men have is being homeless and i agree to an extent what you said about education etc. As i said men and women are different and this is why the education should adapt to both men/women and not only to women for example.

[t-8900]

Right when I say "equality" I am saying intrinsic value. A woman's life is as important as a man's life and vice versa. Typically, men outperform women in labor, high stress activities, on the spot decision making, long-term plans. They tend to excel in these areas naturally and we've always had to in order to keep the species alive. Women excel at bringing about peace, they bring new life into the world, they are the best to comfort tbh. Somehow when this is mentioned I get slammed as "misogynist". It's a simple, observable truth. Women go into nursing, therapeutic practitions, and counselling far more than men. In the ballpark of 5 women to 1 man in these fields.

There is NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS! WE NEED WOMEN AND WE NEED FEMININE ENERGY. We dont need women trying to be more like men, but rather LESS. Women's most powerful tool is there femininity. Mentally healthy men will always, always, always choose a feminine woman. The ones that dont usually had no strong male role models. It's not even about dominating women in these situations that makes it a problem or not. It's about him not being able to make his own decisions and think for himself. In high stress situations I would NOT trust such a man to protect my daughter if a man attacked her or tried to rape her or went after their kids. No, no, no, we need strong male personas who can act quickly and swiftly to deal with threats like that.

Ultimately day after day men were losing their voices. Red Pill, Black Pill, MGTOW, MRAs, were their outlets to be heard. But they turned toxic because when they tried to speak they were "losers" so they went from the early form of Red Pills and MGTOWs to what we see now. tons and tons of toxic guys who feel there is no hope left in the world for them.

[whirled_up_girl]

@t-8900 I just want to say I really like reading your comments about these. I feel like nowadays "feminine" and "masculine" have become bad words in certain groups or disagreements about gender and I really wish it weren't that way. I like to think of things similar to you in terms of the feminine and masculine energies complimenting each other like the concept of yin and yang.

[t-8900]

@whirled_up_girl hey thank you for the kind words. I really appreciate it! ^^

[Growleee]

So, I think there's a few issues here.
Firstly, no. I don't care how radical a feminist is - even if they're calling for all men on Earth to be castrated, being repeatedly harassed, & given death threats, is not okay.
Now though, we begin to dig into insults and I'd say almost every insult is justified.. Even if someone just as soon calls me a rambling, pedantic idiot with long-winded opinions/replies.. I don't agree with it, but they'd be justified in saying it. Lol
I think in todays' climate when you openly take a stance (on anything) you should absolutely brace for impact from your opposition. It's going to happen. Trying to silence that pushback is also dangerous because where does that blurry line fade entirely? Do we only silence those that speak out in opposition, or do we go for the head of the hydra and begin cutting down peoples' opinions and personal stances on certain subjects entirely, to remedy the outrage from ever happening in the first place?
With all of that said, of course certain outcomes are simply destined.. There's going to be radical feminists, there's going to be radical "incels", and everything in between - but to find the moral high ground kind of lies in "Do I kinda deserve this?". *I'm not saying that you do!* Lol please don't take it that way.
I'm simply saying that if come out with incredibly abrasive standpoints & ideals, we should also be prepared for the same about of backlash.
I don't know what you said that supposedly pissed off X amount of people, so I can't say weather or not their reaction was reasonable in terms of the insults and name-calling, essentially the entire counterpoint to yours..
I can say, though, that death threats and repetitive harassment only shows a character weakness from those carrying out the attacks. If you can't control your emotions enough to have a civilized debate, then it's not a debate you should be stepping your foot into..
I can't recall a single time anyone has ever changed another persons' ideals with anger, hate, and contempt. That's just not the way it works.

All of this in mind, a very important distinction needs to be made. Are you just a real feminist, or are you regurgitating toxic, damaging, third-wave ideals? Because there's a difference in saying "I want to be treated equal!" and "I want to be treated better than you.".

[NamerOfStars]

Harassment and threats? Of course not. But if you lay down with dogs, you really shouldn't be surprised when the flea collars get broken out.

You can say all you like about "so-called" feminists, but when the only counter to disgusting behavior is to say "oh, she's not REALLY one of us", do you not see how bad that makes you look? Likewise, "woman" and "feminist" are not and never have been one and the same; criticizing a woman for being a feminist when she criticizes men for being men is not hypocritical- that's being part of a movement, not part of a gender.

It *is*, however, hypocritical to assume that anyone criticizing you is an incel- if you're going to dish it out, you need to be able to take it. If death threats like "go die in a fire you feminist scumbag" are unacceptable (which I would agree they are), then that same standard also needs to be applied to "the future is female"- if not a HIGHER standard, since that's a full-on call for genocide. It's entirely possible that you condemn the horrors of the past, but the label "feminist" is tainted by the awful actions of its members, no less the label "Ku Klux Klan".

[hi_it_is_me123]

No. I dont call people who critizise people incels. Ughh i should not use the word incel at this point. I knew people misunderstand it I am talking about people who harrassed me aka sent death threats to me.

[hi_it_is_me123]

" the future is female " is sexist and antiman. I also dont understand when people compare feminists with nazis. Nazis literally were radical RIGHT wing idiots. Nazis were pretty antiwoman.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Do you think the same about mgtow/redpil incels?

[hi_it_is_me123]

"Harassment and threats? Of course not. But if you lay down with dogs, you really shouldn't be surprised when the flea collars get broken out" - by this logic nobody should express his/her opinions just because it is controversial if she/he does not want to deal with radical people.

[NamerOfStars]

The phrase comes from an essay by Sally Miller Gearheart calling for the reduction of men to ten percent of the population. "Genocidal authoritarianism" kind of trumps economic policies, so far as accusations about Nazism go.

[NamerOfStars]

While I'm not aware of the incel crowd engaging in similar behavior, I probably wouldn't be if they did; I don't really keep track of them. I'd judge them the same way.

[NamerOfStars]

An expressed opinion isn't the same thing as declaring yourself part of a movement.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Oh ok but some people assume and call you a feminist and i am not a feminist

[hi_it_is_me123]

I also can't delete the question and so i am sorry that it was offensive

[NamerOfStars]

Offense is taken, not given, and I didn't take offense; don't worry on my account.

[ChrisMaster69]

Yeah you see it on here a lot.

Even when reported nothing gets done.

Yes there are some rabid feminists, I’ve had enough run ins with them in the real world. This is usually when they make the mistake of being transphobic or similar.

Whatever side you look at there are fanatics, extremists who push the far extremes of their groups ideology, LGBT are a good example, 99% are great then you have that 1% who get the most air time and make it appear the rest are like that.

As for GaG, I said when I first joined, I’ve never seen so many women haters in one place, it’s hugely toxic and is one of key reasons people leave.

Invariably it’s the same women hating lot that also do the shaming of your average girl on the site.

In quite a few question / discussion they come across as borderline rapists.

Then of course those fake pink accounts, where you have a Pink agreeing with some fairly extreme MEOW views.

The rules are pretty exact on this and need enforced more.

From FAQ:

Offensive – Our caring community does not support malicious content, people come to GirlsAskGuys to get help, not to get hurt. This includes posts that would be considered offensive to either a large group of people or attacks aimed at other specific members on the site. While we encourage lively debate, posts that antagonize other members are not allowed. Examples: “You’re an idiot.” “Go kill yourself.” “I want to rape and kill all women!”

There is not full freedom of speech, some clowns need to understand this, the above is from the FAQ and needs to be enforced.

[doopayo]

This happens anytime you go against a group that’s inherently reactionary.


Whenever I post a feminist question or opinion, I get anti feminists making ridiculous arguments about how feminists are nazis and want to genocide men. Or comments suggesting I never talk about male issues cause I hate men even though whenever I do talk about male issues those same exact men are never to be seen.


Whenever I post about black history, racism, xenophobia, etc. I get racists saying slurs, telling me to go back to my country, etc.

[Seangreen]

I'll tell this how I tell everybody. If you stand out in a crowd no matter what it may be people are going to knock you down that's just what people do now if feminism has anything to do with being feminine you probably get less shit for it. Having women try to do the same thing as men is not very feminine infects everything in the famine this movement seems to be and side feminine. It all goes back to communist subversion and destroying the family unit. Say whatever the fuck you want that's exactly what it is

[mstbooblover]

Whatever the situation involved, harassment, death threats and insults are only the symptoms of whether not knowing what to answer to some accusation or being of ill faith. It's nearly always possible to settle down a conflict in a civilized way whitout resorting to often dangerous but still childish harassment, death threasts and insults, at least with people of good will ; and that's the real problem...

[ImJustSomeGuyLol]

At no point is this ever ok. I dated and broke up with a feminist with the realisation we weren't going to work, the feminist views were the catalyst. But I never insulted, harassed or gave her death threats.

This is ridiculous. I'm not a fan of feminists either, but this is not how anyone should behave to opposing views. I'm sorry this has happened, I promise it's not representative of the male population.

[Dchrls78104]

Of course not; to do so is no more Christian than to harass a gay man and kill him for his homosexuality. I approve of neither because both are unchristian, and I want neither type of person as a friend or around me at all; but taking it upon myself to offer or threaten violence to a feminist or a homosexual will not make the person willingly change his beliefs or lifestyle and in fact will not improve my own relationship with the God I profess to serve.

[Tstrbrainer]

It is not okay, but anyone is capable of attacking others.

Men see feminist criticizing men, so they do the same to women.

What I'm concerned about is for the past few posts, I've seen you being very apologetic, being careful of not offending anyone when it's inevitable and also ready to take down your posts.

What happened? Or were you always like this?

[weysally]

there are to many now a days that think everyone should act or be like them, I say each to there own, its nice to read what people think but there is no need to insult any one

[Guardian45]

No, it is not justified. As a point of clarification, incels can be female too. The term incel was invented by a woman talking about herself.

[hi_it_is_me123]

I agree. I should not use the term incel

[Guardian45]

No worries. The term incel is an abbreviation for involuntarily celibate, which could be anyone obviously. Unfortunately, the term has been hijacked by the mainstream to mean something else.

[jshm2]

Only if they are a right wing nut, or misandrist.

You don't make wolves go away by being nice to them.

[Citizenkirk]

That is an oxymoron since a feminist would never do such things.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No. Its crazy to me that some men are insanely obsessed with feminists. Feminists live rent free in their minds.

Note: ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE IGNORE THEM.

[fred_durst]

this website is basically become the place of people who want to express their anger about anything
it is much easier for people to that online than irl

[GhostMochi]

They're not justified no matter what stupid societal group you decide to be part of.

[legalboxers]

nope.. happens here to. the entitled Trump twats cry 1st Amendment. When someone puts a gun between their beady little eyes - they cry something else

[Sabretooth]

to me, feminists are often irritational, arrogant, ignorant and, liars. but, the attacks you've described go way too far.