Abortion... Is it wrong?

[Amg147]

Abortion is wrong, it is taking a life.

Yes

No

[nightdrot]

The British statesman and political philosopher Edmund Burke wrote, "The effect of liberty to individuals is that they may do as they please. We ought see what it will please them to do before we risk congratulations." Therein lay the problem with laws that permit abortion on demand.

A society that premises its law as "Choice"- to use the locution of abortion rights advocates - effectively leaves open the question of the value of human life. It becomes not a standing principle, but a subjective judgment to each individual. In such a society, human life becomes not an end in itself, but mere instrument. Life becomes not an object whose preservation is the highest standard, but rather a convenience to be maintained or not according to the satisfaction of another's will.

We shape our laws and then our laws shape us - see also the civil rights laws of the 1960s which have effected a revolution in race relations. (The idea that a black man and a white man cannot sit together at the same lunch counter is as alien to this generation as Neptune. Yet in 1965 it was pretty much the norm.)

Inherent then in the pro-choice argument is the idea that life has no value save that which each person chooses to attach to it. It denies society any authority to make a collective judgment on such questions. Therefore, in this view, the law may not afford protection to life except at some arbitrarily defined (and inherently subjective) point.

This then conduces to an assertion of power over rights. Life is maintained not as its own end, but according to the will of the person who, effectively, controls it because they can. An ethic of convenience is established and it is a slippery slope on which to build a culture and a legal edifice.

Such a society will not value life that sees life as not an end, but as a means to some other end. Indeed, that is why at about the same time as the culture began to shift on the abortion question we also saw a rise in child abuse, spousal abuse, divorce, out of wedlock births and other social pathologies. These were not unrelated phenomena.

Aristotle said that the first questions of politics are, "How ought we to live? What kind of a people do we wish to be?" The implicit answer of those who support abortion on demand is, in effect, that it is nobody's business. Predictable results follow. One cannot expect the society to absent itself from collective moral judgments on the value of life and then expect an ethical social order to result.

Suffice to say it is best to argue these questions on a philosophical and moral plane and to refrain from name calling. Thus calling a woman evil is perhaps needlessly pejorative and does not allow for the simple fact that a woman (or a man) can be in error - even serious error - without being evil.

However, at the very least, the pro-choice position conduces to an ethically and morally problematic outcome. That cannot be called good.

[888theGreat]

baby never had liberty

[nightdrot]

@888theGreat Actually, we typically do not hold those to account who have been deprived of their liberty. Thus, the slaves were not held to blame for their enslaved state, but justice decreed that their liberty be restored to them.

In any case, the Declaration of Independence speaks of the right to "LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Life being antecedent to and requisite for the other two.

[slatyb]

Implicit in your response is the assumption that an embryo or fetus is a person with rights that are more important than the mother's right to control her own body. An embryo or fetus is not a conscious being and does not have any rights at all.

[nightdrot]

@slatyb What else is an embryo or a fetus? It is a human being at a given stage of development. No different than at the other end when you are elderly and can no longer walk or speak.

Bottom line, the burden falls upon those who would argue that it is not human. If not, then name the precise second in gestation when the embryo becomes human - and then explain how it is scientifically and morally different one second before that moment, and one second after. (Because if you get it wrong, you are legalizing willful murder.)

So what is that EXACT moment in time. Further, before that moment, does the embryo/fetus have the potential to become a duck or a cow or a fish? If it is not human, than ought it not have the potential to become any of these things?

Bottom line, the argument rests on pseudo-science. A thing cannot be other than what it is at any given point in its development. The human will always be human. The duck the same and so on.

You have, as I suggested, merely replaced an act of will for logical analysis to get a result that suits your wants. The justice of those wants being assumed when in reality they are problematic.

[slatyb]

What do you mean "what else is it?" It's an unconscious but of protopasm, no more a person than the pint of blood I donated.

[nightdrot]

@slatyb No. because it is living and growing and developing. It is no less a human being at that stage than it is at two months old. Scientifically, it cannot be anything other than what it is.

To repeat, if it is mere protoplasm, then it must have an equal chance of becoming a dog as a human being. Yet we know it cannot be anything but human. Human beings, like all organisms, go through various stages of development.

By your logic, that two month old cannot be human because it does not have all the attributes of a fully developed human. (For example, it cannot speak. It cannot walk. Indeed, It does not think logically, etc,)

So again, you are left with the problem. If not human, define the exact second that it becomes human. In that connection, how is it not human one second before that moment, and it is one second after that moment?

Oh, and in that last connection, who is defining when the status of "human" is conferred?

[GoPhuckYaself]

its ok, i have 129 iq i think im right here, let me explain

deleting and aborting are different things, think of a pc... deleting means getting rid of a file that exists... aborting means stop a file from being made and coming into existance., so u didn't take anything away, u didn't delete anything, u jus aborted it... u get what i mean?

so how can u say its taking a life when that life never existed?
fair enuff if the baby is late in developement say about 7 months, because by then it may be conscious and feeling things and thinking things and moving, but before it developes a conscious.. around about 5 months i believe, according to science... it literally sees nothing, feels nothing, and thinks nothing, its not yet alive, its jus like a plant, yeah a plant is growing, but it has no mind or thoughts or anything, so ur not killing anything, ur preventing something at that point,

also, also, now this is the main point u need to pay attention to here, men squirt their seman into tissue everyday, do u know how many potential babies are in that sperm when a man shoots into tissue? around a billion or something, now i could say thats an early abortion because ur preventing billions of life coming into existance, what is the difference between that and a early fetus abortion? because both the sperm and the young fetus are not conscious or experiencing anything, its not much difference to me other than a young fetus has developed somewhat of a body,

now, i know many people may think that jus because the body has grown abit that its "fate" or something and that he or she is suppose to be born, but thats not true, no one is suppose to be born, if they was all 1 billion sperms in a guys masturbation waste should go into a womans uterus by that logic, but things only happen because u make them happen, no one is "suppose to be born"

sure if you have been alive and created memories with people, and u take that away, then that is obiviously wrong, but if u take away something that was never there, i jus fail to see the "wrong" in that.,

i hope there is some other intellectuals here who understand what i mean and agree with me and get my point..

[GoPhuckYaself]

its hard to get accross my point exactly how i see it in my head, hard to translate to words, but i know im absoltutely right and early abortion is fine... jus think of that thing i said about billions of potential sperm being shot into tissue by a man... think about that... do u think thats murder>?
should a guy go to jail for p[reventing billions of lifes? or does he have right to make that choice... think about it..

[GoPhuckYaself]

if u was aborted u would never know about it, and neither would i... its no different than the 5 billion years before i was born, it may jus be another 5 billion years of nothing for "them" meaning nothing, cos something that didn't exist can't be a someone.. its jus space, air

[GoPhuckYaself]

its a shame that half the people voting jus go with the "poltically correct" answer rather than using their head and actually thinking about whether its wrong or not, im surrounded by morons..

[Jamie05rhs]

"if u was aborted u would never know about it"
Not true. You would feel it happening. It would be excruciating torture. An unborn baby can feel pain after growing only 20 weeks (approx. 4.5 months) in their mother's uterus.

lozierinstitute.org/.../

[MelonSoda]

I don't think it's wrong. Would rather a chick who is mentally unstable or has the potential to be a shitty parent get rid of the undeveloped embryo (that isn't even alive) than to give birth to a living, breathing child and put it through nothing but years of torture and abuse, causing them to be raised up as a dysfunctional adult.

Not everyone should be a parent. Even rape victims should be allowed to have an abortion. Why should they have to suffer and look at the product of rape every day of their life?

[BillyBalls]

By biological definition, abortion kills human life.

[Daniela1982]

Some think so some don't. But have you ever noticed that all the people who support abortion have already been born?

[MCheetah]

"have you ever noticed that all the people who support abortion have already been born?"

So you are saying you are pro-suicide? At least then, they weren't aborted, but still had the mental abuse that came from sh*tty childhoods from unfit parents, right?

[Daniela1982]

@MCheetah Negative Nellie again. What is with all these negative waves coming off you?

[MCheetah]

No, of course not. Not everyone is fit to be a parent, and you'd be doing a lot more damage to a kid whose mother didn't want him, then just aborting them. Hell, I sometimes wish I was aborted. I sure as sh*t don't have anything physically going for me.

Seriously, I hate anyone butting their noses into other people's lives, whether that be on the left or right. I especially hat the hypocrisy pro-life people exhibit by having loose wanton sex (condoms and pills are the same thing as abortion) or by letting single mothers and child suffer after birth, when they'd probably be much better with the abortion. I mean, at least put your money where your f*cking mouth is. If you are pro-life, then you are PRO-LIFE. Not just "anti-abortion" based on some retarded religious purposes or other reasons that do not concern you.

Most people can't even take care of themselves; how TF do we expect them to take care of other people's children (that they won't anyway). You can say you dislike abortion, but you do not have the right to control other people's bodies no more than the left has the right to force toxic Johnson and Johnson vaccines into you that'll give you blood clots. And like I said, if you were going to have that stance, then at the very least, you need to fork over the cash to take care of that child, since you decided to make it "your business" to force a likely unfit mother to be a mother anyway. Double the case if you're a hypocrite having sex outside the purpose of creating babies, which in itself, IS a form of abortion.

Otherwise, shut the f*ck up and worry about your own life. There's 8 billion people in this world and most of them live sh*tty lives. We don't need another billion with mommy issues and a high tendency to become serial killers and rapists because you wanted to espouse some religious horsesh*t about "baby murders being wrong."

But even THAT would be fine, if you actually got up off your asses and DID something about it, other than just saying "it's bad cause I say so" while real mothers struggle every day to not drown their kids in a bathtub or leave them in the woods somewhere because you pretended to care about the life of that child, up until it was actually born, to where you then stopped giving a sh*t.

Either put your money where your mouth is, or shut up and worry about your own existence.

[MCheetah]

Also, I just realized how LATE Gag recommended this question to me. I thought it said 17 hours ago, not 17 days ago! I hate when Gag sends me stuff super-late.

[breanna936]

I love this

[Anonymous]

It's incredibly wrong but don't expect people on here to agree with that.

As a 15 year old girl, with an opinion like that, you're already leagues ahead of your peers. Even 20 to 30 year old women on this website are incredibly ignorant, flawed, and idiotic in their opinion on this issue. It's a catastrophe really. But I don't expect any less from women that have basically abandoned their womanhood and femininity.

Well done, my dear. Your parents raised you correctly.

[Amg147]

Thank you SO much! You are restoring my faith in humanity, if only more people had any logic these days this country would not be going down the drain! I wish you were not anonymous because I would follow you! #PROLIFE #Letsgobrandon!

[Apulu_3]

What's the fault of baby that it was created? Why are people killing the innocent ones to protect their 'dignity' or 'pride'? Do they realize that they are killing an pure soul? I simply don't get it how half of the people voted no. It's very disturbing and disappointing to see that people are becoming inhumane to even kill an innocent being. Well I never really said anything bad to anyone but today I criticize such people who think that unborn baby is just a cell not a living being.

[AndrésC64]

God, if he actually existed, would be by far and without question the greatest abortionist ever. Far more pregnancies are never even noticed or end in stillbirths or spontaneous abortions than are performed by humans.

[Apulu_3]

@AndrésC64 Well doing abortions intentionally is morally wrong.

[Apulu_3]

@AndrésC64 And I ain't talking about god. I'm just using logic and moral here not spirituality.

[AndrésC64]

So God accidentally does abortions?

[AndrésC64]

And I am also using logic. I'm extending it to god. And if it's wrong for one, then it is wrong for the other.

[Apulu_3]

@AndrésC64 I'm talking about humans doing it. If god is doing abortions then he is also morally wrong. Anyone killing any innocent is of course wrong.

[AndrésC64]

So you agree that God is immoral.

[Apulu_3]

@AndrésC64 the god you are talking about here is devil.

[AndrésC64]

Well first of all I don't believe in any god (s). These are strictly hypothetical for the sake of discussion. But the god I am referring to is the god of the Bible the one who created everything and is therefore responsible for everything.

[Apulu_3]

@AndrésC64 I believe in the power not the stories of religion. Don't ask me about god and all as I only follow humanity as religion.

[AndrésC64]

What does it mean that you believe in "the power"?

[Apulu_3]

@AndrésC64 I mean I believe that a power created the world. I don't believe in the god we made.

[Apulu_3]

@AndrésC64 You can say I believe in the concept of Buddhism

[Msputiton]

Yes or no is too simple of an answer.

Is it wrong to not give someone unborn a chance to live. Yes.

Is it wrong to bring an unborn child into the world that could cause them pain in suffering. Maybe.

Is it wrong to force someone to hurt their body for a chance for an unwanted child who maybe punished and tortured by a vindictive parent. Yes.

There are so many ways to look at this.

That's why i say we should not force our beliefs on others.

We don't know or understand what the reason they got pregnant or how it happened.

Some people take caution, some don't and still can get pregnant.

Some get raped.

I think if we just worry about ourselves this wouldn't be such a big deal.

Sorry bout the long winded statement.

[Staximus]

I think it depends on the circumstances. One of my best friends and his wife decided to get an abortion. This was like 15 years ago. The baby wasn't even a baby yet, but even to this day he feels guilty. He can't stop thinking about who that baby would have or could have been. He said to me one night when we were drinking " I have 2 great kids, but what if we aborted the best kid ever? What if her or she was like the next Einstein, or what if they were the next Hitler? Who fucking knows, right?" They didn't want to have any more kids after their 2 sons, but she got pregnant again and they have the most wonderful 8 year old daughter now. Every time I go over there she gets so happy, grabs me by the hand, drags me to the couch, snuggles up next to me, and starts making fun of me mercilessly hahaha

[888theGreat]

God determines that, not you, me, doctors, not mother, or science

[Staximus]

@888theGreat Your imaginary magic daddy in the sky does not determine anything. If some girl gets raped, I'm all for her getting an abortion.

[BillyBalls]

Hate to tell you your friends destroyed a human life.

Play all the word games you want by saying it wasn't a baby.

But by definition, abortion kills human life.

[Staximus]

@BillyBalls Not my monkeys, not my circus

[AndrésC64]

@888theGreat Which god?

[Deathraider]

I mean let’s grant the assumption that a fetus has personhood. Consider this thought experiment. Imagine you find yourself awake on a operating table. The surgeon has sown you to some other person and tells you that this other person need to be temporarily attached to you or else they’ll die. It won’t be long, just a couple months. Being attached to you will affect your wellbeing, but detaching yourself from them will guarantee their death. Are you within your rights to sever yourself from this other person? Most people, including myself, agree you can choose to not be attached to this other person. What this scenario shows is that personhood and the right to life it guarantees doesn’t necessitate that others have to give up their right to their body, i. e. there exist circumstances where ‘taking a life’ is justified, specifically circumstances where it’s the only way to secure your bodily rights.

[BillyBalls]

What are you babbling about?

[Deathraider]

@BillyBalls My point is even granting the assumption that the fetus is a person, that doesn’t imply abortion is morally wrong.

[laurieluvsit]

Let's see? ... is murdering children wrong?

I think there's some rocket science involved in that one... let me get back to you.

[WhatTheHeckkkk]

I can’t speak for everyone’s morals and values, but for my own body, I believe it is wrong and I would never do it…
But who am I to stop other people? I don’t have the power to stop people. It’s not my decision unless it’s my body. I don’t want to control other people. People can do whatever they want, I can hold my own personal opinions but that doesn’t mean it’s objectively right or wrong.
That’s my stance - As a libertarian.

[BillyBalls]

I would would never kill a human life but who am I to tell someone else not to?

[WhatTheHeckkkk]

I’m just being realistic. I can scream in their face my reasonings and block the door to an abortion clinic but that still doesn’t change their minds or make them stop. So, who am I to tell them not to? I have no power. I have no voice that means anything to them.

[Cherry234]

Seeing all these abortion questions triggers my mind. Technically, it is wrong but people are still going to do what they want. By your logic, eating meat is wrong since you're taking an animal's life.

[jahaims]

The only way that would make sense is if he thought other animals were equal to humans. You are the one who doesn't understand logic.

[Cherry234]

You’re telling me I don’t understand logic yet you call the OP “he.” Whether abortion is right or wrong it’s not up to you to decide what other women do with an unborn fetus. It’s none of your business.

[jahaims]

In your opinion, which has zero value with me.

[Cherry234]

If you think you have a better opinion then why don’t you just answer the question?

[jahaims]

Because I've answered 50+ times on here already

[Amg147]

An animal is WAY different than a human life... Humans were created in God's image, and in the Bible, it says we are to take dominion over the earth.

[888theGreat]

murder , and you will be on trial for murder at your trial before God . Sentence will be Hell for eternity with no possibility of parole.

[UCrayCray]

What do you believe happens to the aborted baby?

[888theGreat]

@UCrayCray goes to heaven , becomes a saint

[UCrayCray]

If a woman has an abortion, which sends her baby straight to God to become a saint, why is that a bad thing? She is sacrificing her own salvation by guaranteeing her child’s.
Is she not?

[888theGreat]

@UCrayCray well she is not rewarded for it

[UCrayCray]

I know. She’s sacrificing her reward for her children.
That sounds like something a good mother would do.

[888theGreat]

@UCrayCray do serial killers do women favors by raping them then killing them?

[UCrayCray]

Do they go straight to heaven and become saints?

[888theGreat]

@UCrayCray who?

[UCrayCray]

The raped and murdered woman?

[888theGreat]

@UCrayCray no when they die they go to hell unless they are really crazy

[888theGreat]

@UCrayCray she goes to hell too unless she believe Jesus is savior

[UCrayCray]

What would make you ask me if a raped and murdered women is done any favors if she’s not going straight to heaven like you say the fetus is?
The two aren’t even comparable.
And you still haven’t really answered why it would be a bad thing for a women to guarantee her child salvation…. and sainthood?

[888theGreat]

@UCrayCray Rapist Hell
Woman most likely hell
Baby heaven
You I think will be hell unless you get smart and get saved

[UCrayCray]

Threatening me with hell because you don’t like my question?
If a mother sacrifices herself to send her fetus straight to heaven to become a saint, it sounds like the ultimate in selfless love to me.
I invite you to show me why that’s wrong. But I think you’ll probably just threaten me will hell again.

[888theGreat]

@UCrayCray thou shalt not kill , it is a ten commandment

[UCrayCray]

That’s doesn’t answer the question either. But I already know you like to avoid inconvenient questions, so it’s no surprise.

[888theGreat]

@UCrayCray I answered like 50 gazillion times , but you ain't listening. You need to listen to Gino Jennings on you tube and learn before it is too late

[UCrayCray]

You did not answer my question. You said murder was wrong. I’m not disputing that.
The question you have avoided answering so far is…. how is it a bad thing for a mother to sacrifice her own salvation to guarantee that of her child’s. Tell me how that is anything but a selfless act.

[888theGreat]

@UCrayCray it was not selflessness but selfishness , she gets rid of the baby so she can get knocked up again between taking her drugs. No saved person would kill her baby like that. Only a stupid , sinful, slut would do that.

[UCrayCray]

Which part of the question are you having a hard time with? You keep answering questions I’m not asking you.
Lemme try one more time.
Read carefully now.
Let’s say a women chooses to have an abortion BECAUSE she knows that child will go straight to heaven and become a saint. She gives up her own salvation to guarantee that if her child.
What part of that do you consider selfish?

[888theGreat]

@UCrayCray but no one unsaved would because she wouldn't believe there was a heaven to be saved. You are asking an impossible scenerio

[UCrayCray]

How is it impossible? You said the aborted fetus goes to heaven and becomes a saint.
Are you saying only the fetuses of the saved go to heaven?

[888theGreat]

@UCrayCray No sinful woman would even think about her baby going to heaven.. You seem to lack wisdom and common sense

[UCrayCray]

And you lack comprehension skills and the ability to think outside your pre-determined box.
Again, that’s no surprise

[888theGreat]

@UCrayCray Two words ... Gino Jennings

[Amg147]

@UCrayCray That woman is not thinking of the baby, she is thinking of her life, reputation, and her pride. That I why it is called her body her choice. Don't even try to make her a "good mom."

[888theGreat]

correct

[UCrayCray]

I’m not actually saying I believe it to make her a good mom. Abortion is rarely about the benefit to the fetus. You’re right about that.
However, if the baby goes straight to heaven and becomes a saint, something that is very important, why is it such a bad thing?

[888theGreat]

@UCrayCray You remind me of Jim Jones

[Amg147]

@UCrayCray Yes the baby does go to heaven, but it does not have the opportunity to evangelize and convert others.

[UCrayCray]

@888thegreat
Buddy! I don’t even drink kool aid.

[UCrayCray]

Still in heaven.
And as a saint no less.
Sweet deal!

[Amg147]

@UCrayCray Still wrong. You can't go with half the bible and not the other half. You shall not kill Exodus 20:13 THAT IS MURDER.

[UCrayCray]

Well, I disagree that it’s murder. But that’s not really the point anyway.

[888theGreat]

@UCrayCray Well people that commit suicide think it will be an end to their suffering when their real suffering is just beginning. Hell is going to be 1,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000, 000, 000, times worse.

[UCrayCray]

@888thegreat
Well okay then.

[AviatorTom]

This is a question that has been debated for centuries, and will continue to be debated for many years to come. Scholars have debated both sides, whether abortion is wrong or not. Even noted religious persons have weighed in on both sides of the question.

This question will never be resolved. It has no black-and-white yes/no answer.

[Dchrls78104]

Abortion is murder "Thou shalt not kill"(Exodus 20:13).

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Ooh ok cool, now do that with things like the death penalty or stand your ground/castle doctrine rules too.

[supercutebutt]

The Bible also implies life begins at first breath, if we are going to use sources that are thousands of years old to make complicated decisions.

[Amg147]

Amen

[ChiTown33]

@supercutebutt that's an interesting post. I've never heard someone use scripture to legitimize abortion before. I do have to disagree though. The Bible is referring Adam and God breathing life into him. It's not talking about the first breathe when a baby is being born. It is a life long before it is born. It has a heartbeat. Yes I know that's not enough. But studies suggest unborn babies are learning from external sources before they're ever born. If that's true that would suggest conscious thought.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

You can have a heartbeat without brain activity though so not a great metric.

[ChiTown33]

@Ez-Bri-Z that's why I added the capability of conscious thought comment.

[AndrésC64]

No it is not murder by definition. And not everyone believes in your god. Do you work on the Sabbath or use any machinery? Do you think that adulterers should be stoned to death?

[supercutebutt]

@ChiTown33 So if a rapist impregnated your sister, you would want the government to force her to give birth?

I used it because it's just as valid as quoting the Bible to condemn abortion, which it never does. Anywhere. You are an adult man. Bible stories are bullshit, dude. You aren't a child any longer. You can let go of Santa now. OK? :)

[ChiTown33]

@supercutebutt no I wouldn't want the government to force her to do anything. And unlike me my sister is pro-life so she wouldn't need the gov't to force her to birth it. Nice try anyways hun.
I know it scares you to think you're not in control hun. But God means you no harm. I promise you.

[supercutebutt]

@ChiTown33 Please stop calling me hun, you doofus. And kindly stop pretending you have some sort of supernatural wisdom.

[ChiTown33]

@supercutebutt I'll call you anything I like. And I'm sorry your arrogance and hatred of those with faith interferes with your ability to reason hun.

[supercutebutt]

@ChiTown33 So you are the logical one because you believe in the supernatural, my doof?

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Bruh.. did you just call her out for arrogance... by being arrogant about calling her what you want and taking a moral high ground approach?

[ChiTown33]

@supercutebutt it's OK. You're forgiven.

[supercutebutt]

@ChiTown33 I am forgiven and you are a doof :)

[ChiTown33]

@supercutebutt you're really confused aren't you? First you apologize, I forgive then you come back with another attempt at an insult lol. 🤣🤣🤣

[supercutebutt]

@ChiTown33 No apology was given, my doof. :)

[ChiTown33]

@supercutebutt yep, you're confused hun. Hey, way to break that stereotype that women are overly emotional. 🤣

[supercutebutt]

@ChiTown33 I will block you now so you can focus on battling your various mental illnesses. :)

[ChiTown33]

@supercutebutt you're kind of stupid but I wouldn't go as far as to call you mentally ill. But that's fine. Just one less Mongolia I have to contend with. :)

[AndrésC64]

Couldn't care less what the Bible says. You do realize that there are lots and lots of other holy books out there. People believe lots of those and some people don't believe any of them.

[AndrésC64]

@ChiTown33 Reported for referring to someone as a "Mongolia". Apparently you don't even know how to spell the slur that you were trying.

[katiesmuff]

For me personally No I would never get an abortion under normal circumstances, however if there were severe medical issues then it's possible.
In general I believe in woman's choice including everything they do with their body.

[GoPhuckYaself]

do u think its murder when a guy jacks off into tissue and prevents billions of lifes from being born?

[supercutebutt]

@GoPhuckYaself She just said she is pro-choice.

[katiesmuff]

@GoPhuckYaself Are you serious or just some nut job!

[GoPhuckYaself]

i think aborting is cumming into tissue, its jus early abortion, so anyone who thinks abortion is murder, ur basically saying a guy is a mass murderer for jacking off, basically if u think abortion is wrong ur stupid

[Ez-Bri-Z]

And you are welcome never to have one, but for others who are ok with it, that's why they are available.

[OddBeMe]

I would say at the best: Unknown.
Science can't really tell us when a "person" begins. They say fetuses don't have much if any brain or nerve functions til third trimester-ish.

But that's not the issue. Morality isn't the issue. Bodily autonomy is the issue.

[AndrésC64]

Exactly.

"A three-day-old human embryo is a collection of 150 cells called a blastocyst. There are, for the sake of comparison, more than 100,000 cells in the brain of a fly. If our concern is about suffering in this universe, it is rather obvious that we should be more concerned about killing flies than about killing three-day-old human embryos…"
--Sam Harris

[Dargil]

Abortion ends the life of a sovereign human life with its own unique DNA and beating heart. It is not a blob of protoplasm. The time to choose is before you screw.

[supercutebutt]

Women get raped sometimes, doofus. It is our decision, not yours.

[Dargil]

@supercutebutt Hmmm. Name calling right away. An admission of failure in a debate. You are slipping away from intelligent debate.
However...
My response only stated objective facts, none of which you can dispute.
Your decision to terminate a pregnancy as a consequence of rape is not my concern unless I am married to you. Then I take part.

[UCrayCray]

A fetus from conception until birth is, in fact, not sovereign. It lives inside and off of another person.
That is not sovereign

[supercutebutt]

@Dargil Until you sprout a womb, it's not your business, my doofish friend.

[Dargil]

@UCrayCray Only because you wish it to be true. That would apply, then to your own dependent children and your grandmother in assisted care.

[UCrayCray]

If using your body to care for another was the same as having one live inside and off of you body, you would have a good point.
But since they are not the same thing, you have no argument.
They are still not sovereign until they are they are no longer inside the body of another.

[TonyMetal___86]

Abortion if there are no extreme cases is always wrong...
Pregnancy is a gift from god and the couple better be married when such things occurs

[anon171999]

Yes. You should not medically have something undone to your body. God is supposed to be the way, not medicine. Doctors are just trying to play God.

[AndrésC64]

Not everyone believes in your God

[anon171999]

And that doesn't change anything I just said. People believe a lot of different things. I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. I've learned that is a waste of time when people are constantly lying to themselves and everyone else anyways.

[AndrésC64]

And you're not going to convince anyone that there is any reason to believe in your God.

[captain_voidwalker]

Depends on context, for instance if the pregnancy is life threatening to the mother thats not murder its just a shitty situation. If the mother was raped yes ots murder but the rapist should be charged with that murder not the mother.
Now abortion used as a form a birth control is definitely murder on the mothers part.

[AndrésC64]

Nope. No one has the right to tell another person what to do with their body. If a woman cannot be forced to give up a drop of her blood to save her 3-year-old child, which she can't, why should she be forced to give up use of her entire body?

[BillyBalls]

Because she chose to spread her legs?

[Amg147]

BECAUSE SHE HAD SEX. She wanted pleasure and would pay the price. And the babies choice does not matter?

[AndrésC64]

No one, talking about them repeat no one has the right to the use of another person's body.

[Amg147]

Ok sorry, I understand when you were in your mommy's tummy she totally could have KILLED you and that would be fine? It is different when it is your life ending.🙄

[AndrésC64]

If she had chosen to then that would have been her choice and her right. Nobody, myself included, has the right to the use of another person's body. Nobody. She couldn't have been forced to give up a single drop of her blood to save me when I was 3 years old, so why do you think that she should be forced to give up use of her entire body before I was even born?

[BillyBalls]

Are you fucked in the head?

[Amg147]

For real lady... You are actually crazy. A life is a life is a life. Just cuz the clump of cells is smaller then than when it is older does not mean it is not a HUMAN. #PROLIFE!

[Gal67]

But that's just it; it isn't her body, but the body of someone else that's being butchered.

[AndrésC64]

@Gal67 it is her body. She gets to decide what happens to it. If she doesn't want something growing inside of it then that is entirely her right.

[slatyb]

An embryo is not a baby. A fetus is not a baby. After a live delivery, then there's a baby.

[MelonSoda]

@BillyBalls You do know rape victims get pregnant too, right? It's not just whores who choose to go out and have sex smh.

[Quigly]

"Nope. No one has the right to tell another person what to do with their body".

Prostitution is illegal.

[yofuknutz]

She has you there

[Amg147]

@MelonSoda If she kills the baby she is just as bad as the rapper, she is treating a human life like an object.

[yofuknutz]

So both the rapist and lady having the abortion are sinners per se?

[Amg147]

@yofuknutz YES

[yofuknutz]

Interesting point of view

[Daniela1982]

@AndrésC64 Why? We are being told to take the vaccine of don't have a job or get medical care. What happened to our rights to what we do with our body?

[AndrésC64]

A fetus is NOT a baby. And what a woman does with HER body is HER right. Not doing something that has ACTUAL EFFECTS on ACTUAL PEOPLE is ignorant and selfish.

[Daniela1982]

@AndrésC64 It does hurt people, like the father who wanted her to have that baby as it was as much his as hers. It takes two to make a baby but only one has the right to terminate the pregnancy. The father has no rights. If he didn't want the baby but she chose to have it he is fucked there too as he had to pay child support for 18 years.

[AndrésC64]

@Daniela1982 As soon as men get pregnant and can give birth then they can decide.

[Daniela1982]

@AndrésC64 So that means you don't have sex then, right? As you would be using someone else's body.

[AndrésC64]

But I would have her permission.

[Daniela1982]

Well the baby can't give it's permission or objections either.

[AndrésC64]

A fetus can't give or deny permission. It has no say whatsoever.

[Daniela1982]

That's right, wo where is it's rights?

[yofuknutz]

So have U ever had sex since you are so experienced the worldly matters

[AndrésC64]

@Daniela1982 it doesn't have any. And who are you to decide what it would want, if it could want? Maybe if it were capable of wanting it wouldn't want to be born.

[yofuknutz]

That is the interesting paint job on things I like put me back in put me back in I don't want to come out

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Yes, abortion is wrong, If I ever got a girl pregnant I rather sit down and disgust things than abort my baby.

[jjj101010]

I’d say generally I’m against it but there are always exceptions which I believe r necessary.

i always wonder if anti abortion people are also anti death penalty, after all, if killing is wrong in all circumstances then u can’t be pro death penalty

[QuietRunner]

depends on when and for what purpose

If it is only for a birth control reason or after 4 months of pregancy, mostly wrong

Anytime the mother's life is in danger, rape, or incest then not wrong.

I prefer the maximum use of birth control. The prevention of life, instead of the intentional destruction of life is a better choice.

Condoms, birth control pills, surgical, day after pills. I'm all for

Just be responsible and accept the consequences of your actions.

[Roguehoneylife]

A baby is a baby when the mother decides to keep it.

[BillyBalls]

If a baby is a year old and the mother decides it is not a baby can she then kill it?

[Roguehoneylife]

@BillyBalls have you ever heard of “it’s better for someone to think of you a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it” ? Bc that’s you rn

[BillyBalls]

I suggest you read your initial post then tell who the idiot is.

[Roguehoneylife]

@BillyBalls I suggest you keep your mouth shut on issues that don’t concern you, a male. :)

[BillyBalls]

Blocked your dumb ass

[Gal67]

Oh come on, you can't be serious about this! When the mother decides to keep it? You're basically arguing here that we should allow others to determine the value of people's lives, and whether or not it's "convenient" to allow certain people to live should be the deciding factor. That's insane.

[Roguehoneylife]

@Gal67 lol

[supercutebutt]

Right or wrong is up for you to decide for yourself. Not the government. OK?

[Agape93]

Nope. It's just artificially inducing a natural process the body does anyways on occasion, a miscarriage.

[legalboxers]

mhmm! come on out Trumplicans

[legalboxers]

and for the 2 who disagreed.. I seen your photos during the insurrection oh Im sorry.. a normal TOURIST DAY. you stupid fucks

[Desconhecida]

It's murder. Pure and simple as that.

[AndrésC64]

No it is not. Murder is a legal term and abortion is by definition not murder.

[Desconhecida]

Think whatever makes you sleep at night. (You had the luck to be born, funny isn't it?)
Have a good day.

[AndrésC64]

It's funny that I had the luck to be born? No not really. Not in any sense. If I hadn't been born we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we?

[Desconhecida]

Dear Lord... 🤦🏻‍♀️

...

I'm so over this discussion. Have a nice day.

[Gal67]

@AndrésC64 "If I hadn't been born we wouldn't be having this discussion" - Is THAT your argument for abortion? Seriously? Is that the best you can come up with?

[AndrésC64]

@Gal67 No. My response actually had nothing to do with abortion. It was simply showing how silly the comment from Desconhecida was.

[Desconhecida]

@AndrésC64 I'm sorry if you think my opinion is silly. At least I respected you enough to accept yours. Maybe that's why you defend abortion -- some people turn out like you.
Be more respectful.

[AndrésC64]

@Desconhecida Oops. I was actually referring to @Gal67, not you. My bad.

[Naughtyboy71]

Killing baby's is very wrong

[GoPhuckYaself]

baby and fetus.. 2 different words with different meaning

[supercutebutt]

Who would listen to an opinion of someone who doesn't know the difference between plural and possessive. Seriously, man.

[Amg147]

@GoPhuckYaself No a woman does not say "Hey I am pregnant with a fetus... she says I am pregnant with a baby." From the second a baby is conceived it is a LIFE.

[GoPhuckYaself]

no from a second its born its life, and also u idiots really think a fetus is nothing>? u dont know why they made this word? a fetus is a baby that has not yet been born, u idiots, it doesn't matter what the mom calls the fetus

[Amg147]

@GoPhuckYaself So you think it is perfectly fine to just end the baby life FINE? I don't think I am the idiot I think the psychopath that is willing to take a life is way dumber than I will ever be. Because unlike you I value life and don't think killing is an ok thing!

[supercutebutt]

@amg147 If a rapist put a fetus in your belly, you would want the government to force you to give birth?

[Amg147]

@supercutebutt That baby should have as much of a shot at life as I did. If we put money toward stopping rape and less toward abortion programs we would not be wasting so much time and money and save more lives. #PROLIFE

[GoPhuckYaself]

Not baby's life.. fetus life.. actually... Pre life. It can't be a life if you're not yet conscious. Why can you fuckin idiots not get it through your thick skull?
A fetus does not develope conscious awareness until about 5 months or something according to science, get it through your Tiney brain.. if it's not alive.. it can't have a life taken away. You idiot.. do you not understand?
Conscious not developed = not yet been alive, not yet had a life.. therefore not alive

Wake. up. Duhhh

[GoPhuckYaself]

And nomim. not a fucking psychopath, I don't like murder and hate people being killed, I'm jus smart and realise killing something that was never alive is no harm to anyone.. cos something that was never alive can't feel pain or regret you idiot.. it's basically jus thin air until it has developed a conscious, it's nothing... Yeah there is a body of a fetus developing.. but it has no mind or conscious until a certain point. Get it through your dumb fucking skull. It's pointless trying to explain anything to you idiots. You always think you're right and never consider taking in the true facts I'm telling you, whatever.. go ahead and think what you want idiot. But you are wrong

[GoPhuckYaself]

Fuckin idiot

[GoPhuckYaself]

If you was aborted at 5 months do you think you would know or have felt it?
No because you wasn't conscious or alive at that age and it would make no difference. So stop feeling "sympathy" for these things that have no yet even been alive you absolutely soft fucking fairy. Use your brain

[GoPhuckYaself]

Whatever I mean your girls. You have peanut brains. I can't expect y'all to understand anything. I dunno why I'm getting pissed off by your lack of understanding, girls don't understand anything. It's to be expected I guess. IL jus go away and live a life of a smart person. U continue Ur life with small brain

[Amg147]

@GoPhuckYaself What the heck is wrong with you? Why all of the sudden is it just a dead object? Why is a little clump of cells any different than a big clump of cells? (JUST SO YOU KNOW YOU ARE JUST A BIG CLUMP OF CELLS) Just cuz it is little does not mean it does not have value. That does not line up.

[GoPhuckYaself]

@supercutebutt Whats wrong with me is stupidity pisses me the fuck off. Try to understand

[OfDeath]

In the days before abortions, they just used to kill unwanted children after they were born.

[Gal67]

Yes, they did. Your point?

[Amg147]

It does not make it any less wrong. When they do it. What is wrong I wrong and murder is wrong.
#prolife

[OfDeath]

Isn't it worse to kill a baby or even a few years old child which can suffer and consciously experience pain, than a fetus which hasn't yet developed that ability?

I mean, by what standard do you measure the "wrongness" of this?

[OfDeath]

@Gal67 are abortions not an improvement on that?

[Gal67]

An "improvement" because killing has become more efficient, and those who are perpetrating the act don't have to see the outcome? Regardless of whether it's prior to or after birth, you're still killing a human being; that doesn't change.

[OfDeath]

@Gal67 but the level of suffering changes. Both for the "murdered" fetus if you really prefer to use that term, and for the mother.

It's not like nothing is different about the two situations. One is a vast improvement over the other.

[Gal67]

"... the level of suffering..." - How is that even relevant? It isn't.

[OfDeath]

@Gal67 how is it not? Outlaw abortions and watch the alternatives people will try.

Use your brain.

[Quigly]

Abortion is legal, we still find babies in trashcans.

Nothing has changed.

[OfDeath]

@Quigly Imagine how many more there would be if it wasn't. You really think it would be better to remove that option?

[Quigly]

Nothing is solved by legalizing abortion. The problem is in their head. Some people should go to prison for committing a crime.

[OfDeath]

@Quigly It solves the problem of needing to look after an unwanted child and provides a method of termination involving minimal to no suffering, both to the foetus and the mother.

It saves on funding for the health system in a variety of ways. Funding which can be used for research and even education on safe sex practices which will result in less abortions.

It reduces the risk of attempts at illegal abortions by people unqualified to perform them.

That solves the problem of potential pain, mutilation and infection of those patients.

It regulates the procedure, making it cheaper than using a black market doctor who may extort a patient who needs one.

It removes a lucrative opportunity for organized crime to flourish.

It prevents the psychological trauma of having to raise a child which was conceived as a result of rape.

It saves on state and federal funding where an unwanted child would need to be raised in institutions if the mother and father are mentally unfit to raise a child.

It prevents people being born with birth defects which would make them a burden on their parents and still need assistance after the deaths of their parents, draining more funds from the health system.

It prevents infanticide and eliminates the possibility an unwanted child will suffer lethal pain at the hands of malicious parents.

Legal abortions solve plenty of problems. Don't pretend it doesn't. You're also being very speciest. You have no problem with the suffering inflicted on the meat which ends up on your plate or the struggle human overpopulation is inflicting on all other life on the planet as well as the climate of the planet itself.

[AndrésC64]

It's funny how so many of these people that claim to be pro-life are really just pro-birth. They really couldn't give two shits about the child after it's born. Healthcare? Nope child support? Nope education? Nope.

[OfDeath]

@AndrésC64 eExactly. I mean if they choose to picket outside the house of a woman booked in for an abortion and then actually help her raise the child if she cancels it, fine. But force her and the baby into a life of hardship, struggle, misery and reliance on inadequate government assistance, feeding an underclass of poverty and lowering the average quality of life, then turn a blind eye? Pathetic.

[Quigly]

Was never speaking againstt abortion in absolute all scenarios.

Fraud and malpractice are rampant throughout the medical industry.
Only Enforcement of laws reduces fraud and malpractice.
Not legalization of immoral behavior.

Self mutilation proves my point of mental problems being the issue.

Mentally unfit mothers and fathers raise children all the time and the state does nothing about it.

So your logic is that because we have criminals we shouldn't have laws?

So You are for killing humans and against humans necessity for eating food?
killing other animals for food is not unique to the human species.
No animal mother on the planet rips the baby from her womb to kill it.
It is a unique evil only known to exist with humans.

[OfDeath]

@Quigly "Only Enforcement of laws reduces fraud and malpractice."

Such as enforcing the law of legal abortion.

"Not legalization of immoral behavior"

What's more immoral, allowing a baby to be born into a life of unnecessary hardship and resulting in increased hardship on the parents and potentially leading to it being inhumanely murdered in a state where it can consciously experience pain and suffering, or legalizing the humane termination of it when it is still in a state in which it is unable to comprehend anything, is not consciously aware and cannot experience its demise?

The former is far more immoral. Abortion is not legalizing immoral behavior, it is legalizing moral behavior.

"Self mutilation proves my point of mental problems being the issue."

Two issues addressed by having legal abortions.

"Mentally unfit mothers and fathers raise children all the time and the state does nothing about it."

Exactly, so legalizing abortions ameliorates that.

[OfDeath]

@Quigly "So your logic is that because we have criminals we shouldn't have laws?"

No, my logic is that because we have criminals and problems which can be ameliorated by making the right things legal and the wrong things illegal, we can have a better society by doing so.

"So You are for killing humans and against humans necessity for eating food?"

No. I'm simply pointing out a flaw in the way you define yourself. You think you're "pro life". But you're actually just pro human life, with no regard for the quality of that life. I'm pro life too, and pro the best quality of life for all.

"No animal mother on the planet rips the baby from her womb to kill it.
It is a unique evil only known to exist with humans."

But plenty, including humans kill their offspring after they're born, inflicting great suffering. Humans are in the unique position of having a better option which doesn't involve as much suffering. You seriously think killing a fully grown baby is a better option than aborting a foetus unable to experience conscious suffering?

[Daniela1982]

They used to use partial birth abortion where the child is partially delivered except for the head. Then they would stick a vacuum tube into the head and suck out the brains. Totally barbaric! It has since been outlawed.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Daniela1982 When was it outlawed?

[Daniela1982]

If people really want to solve the abortion problem stop having unprotected sex or using abortion as a form of birth control. That of get fixed so you won't ever have that problem. A person should know if they never want children so just get fixed FFS.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Daniela1982 Nevermind; I found it. It was 2003.

[Quigly]

@AndrésC64 It's all about taking responsibility for your own actions.

[Quigly]

Legalizing malpractice doesn't reduce malpractice. It increases malpractice. If it's immoral, it's still malpractice.

If the child was unwanted the mother has many pro choice options of birth control. Murder should never be one of them.

[Daniela1982]

@OfDeath Hey, here's a better solution. Use protection if you don't want to get pregnant or get someone pregnant. Stop using abortion as a means of birth control. Isn't that easier and less trouble than going in for an abortion? It's easier for a guy to have a vasectomy than it is for a girl to get an abortion.
.

[OfDeath]

@Quigly There are situations where responsibility is taken from one's control. Such as through violent and coercive relationships and rape as prime examples. In these cases, pregnancy couldn't be avoided and having the option to humanely terminate a fetus which cannot experience its demise is not as immoral as inflicting the physical pain and mental anguish of forcing a woman by law to bring an unwanted child to term and give birth to it. The moral thing to do in these situations, is for abortions performed by trained medical doctors to be legal under the law. Criminalizing abortions only leads to a black market of extortion, malpractice, unprofessional operations leading to infection, disease, disability and unnecessary pain.

[OfDeath]

@Daniela1982 Those are good preventatives but even such caution doesn't ameliorate the problem of unwanted pregnancy altogether. Abortion needs to be a legal option or it opens the door to an extortionate black market which will only prey on the vulnerable. That can lead to many worse outcomes than an aborted fetus which did not experience its demise. Some of those outcomes are so abhorrent and do occur in places where criminals control women's options, that I probably couldn't even describe them in a g@g comment without it violating the rules of the website.

[AndrésC64]

@Daniela1982 so if you are going to force a woman to have an unwanted child, I assume that you'd be okay with tax dollars going to help support that precious life for such things as healthcare, education, housing, food, etc, right?

[Quigly]

Rape is a crime and falls under different guidelines as mentioned previously. The discussion is about abortion as a form of birth control.

[OfDeath]

@Quigly you're completely deluded if you think making abortions illegal is a good idea. Those who are dumb enough to need to use abortion clinics as a primary means of birth control are a negligible portion of the population and are also those who would be most vulnerable to exploitation. It is also obvious that the fact rape and domestic violence are illegal does not entirely prevent them from happening. In the instance where pregnancy was unavoidable and will be detrimental to one's life and the future life of a fetus, safe abortion performed by a medical professional who knows what they are doing needs to be an option.

[BillyBalls]

Abortion by biological definition kills human life.

[AndrésC64]

No it doesn't. A clump of cells is not a person.

[BillyBalls]

Science denier!!!

[AndrésC64]

Uhhhh... what?

[Gal67]

@AndrésC64 You're a science denier, a flat earther, a believer in lies. Abortions do kill human life, whether you think that life is a "person" or not.

[AndrésC64]

@Gal67 Nope. Murder is a legal definition. Abortion, by definition, is not murder.

[BillyBalls]

@AndrésC64 Legal definition or not, abortion kills human life.

[Anonymous]

It's a form of birth control for whores. If you don't want a baby, then you're pretty fucking stupid to get pregnant in the first place.

[devoygf]

I think it's wrong to kill a innocent being

[AndrésC64]

At what point do you consider it to be a human?

[AndrésC64]

www.google.com/imgres

[ChiTown33]

It's murder. Is murder wrong to you?

[AndrésC64]

By definition it is not murder.

[ChiTown33]

@AndrésC64 correction! By YOUR definition it's not murder.

[AndrésC64]

@Opinion Owner correction! By LEGAL definition it is not murder. Murder is a LEGAL definition.

[ChiTown33]

@AndrésC64 OK dingleberry. You want to get technical it's at best manslaughter or at the very least 3rd degree murder. But I wasn't speaking in a legal definition I was speaking in a moral one. And in terms of abortion you're taking a LIFE. Morally it's no different than murder.

[AndrésC64]

@Opinion Owner Nope. Manslaughter and third degree murder are also LEGAL definitions. Who made you arbiter of morals?

[ChiTown33]

@AndrésC64 yes they are legal terms. Legal terms that fit abortion sorry it's true.
I didn't but I wouldn't expect you to understand what morals are since you appear to have none.

[AndrésC64]

@Opinion Owner No, they do not fit abortion.

[ChiTown33]

@AndrésC64 well if you don't understand the definition then you're just stupid and that's not my fault.

[LegendaryIcon]

don't do this. not at 12 30 at night, on a Monday.. when i don't have to work tomorrow. Please, just don't start THIS FUCKING SHIT

[najekim]

It's up to the lady whether or not to have a medical procedure done. Not any one else.

[JohnK123]

I think it is wrong
what bout u

[Amg147]

It is SO wrong, Taking a human life is wrong no matter what stage it is in.

[EnglishEuropean]

It's no more wrong than bringing an unwanted child into the world.

[BarryLiverstone]

It’s tragic for all involved. I hood no one ever has to make this decision

[TexasRed95]

The ration of votes on this is absolutely disturbing.

[LightOfTruth]

The values of a shitty group of people. Good job guys and gals.

[HaloGirl7777]

Yes of course it's wrong it's murder

[XXblack88]

Yes abortion is wrong.

[BCRanger10]

Yes, abortion is evil.

[JesseJayNeak]

Yes. That’s why I’m pro life

[Raphaëlle]

No it's not in my opinion.

[Gal67]

Abortion is murder, so yes, it's wrong.

[AndrésC64]

Nope. Abortion is not murder by definition.

[Gal67]

@AndrésC64 Murder is the deliberate taking of another person's life. So, by definition, it is.

[AndrésC64]

Murder is a legal term. And abortion is not murder by definition.

[Gal67]

@AndrésC64 It's murder. Don't try to argue with me, because I'm always right!

[AndrésC64]

🤣🤣🤣

[slatyb]

A fetus is not a baby.

[GoPhuckYaself]

the people who thinka fetus and baby is exactly same thing and dumb, why would there be 2 different words for the same thing? what he's saying is true

[NYlatefun]

This is not a black and white topic, it's not right or wrong, it depends on multiple variables. Not sure why people insist in overly simplifying it.

[Amg147]

So you don't think KILLING is wrong?

[NYlatefun]

That's obviously a loaded question, of course killing is wrong. But what about a 14yo girl who was raped and got pregnant by a criminal because of that, would you force her to have the baby?

[Amg147]

@NYlatefun By killing that life you are just as horrible as the rapist, and treating that human as an object just like the ripest.

[NYlatefun]

I love how idealistic you are, and I was like that at your age, unfortunately life is much more complicated than that.

[Amg147]

@NYlatefun That makes me so sad that you are ok with killing a baby. I hope you realize how wrong you are! God made babies as a gift to enjoy and if we put money toward stopping rape instead of toward abortion programs, we could save a lot more babies, and sex was created for married couples, not just a good time. Not only are you a man you will never understand what it is truly like to be mother, I wish you the very best and that you someday discover how wrong you are. #PROLIFE

[NYlatefun]

You assume too many things with too little info. You are religious, which makes the topic way more complicated as that clouds the facts. And no, I'm not ok with killing babies, but under certain circumstances and if it's done very early it's virtually inoffensive, there's no baby after a week of gestation, it's an embryo, two different things. And by the way, I am more biased towards being against it, but again, there are circumstances that are just too complicated to forbid it.

[Amg147]

So, at what time does a baby become a baby? What defines a baby? If a clump of cells isn't a baby, then why is a bigger clump of cells considered one? By your logic, you can kill any human because we are all clumps of cells just some bigger than others.

[NYlatefun]

Not my logic, just science, google the diff between embryo, fetus and baby. I'm out.

[Amg147]

@NYlatefun Maybe different names but still the same thing. Just cuz I call you Fred, or Bob, or Joe does not mean that is your name. Why is this so hard for someone as old as you are to understand? I don't care what google says, it is not like we can believe everything we read on the internet. A life is a life is a life. I hope you think about our conversation and realize a 15-year-old girl knows more than a 46-year-old man. #PROLIFE

[NYlatefun]

LOL, it's literally NOT the same thing, I know you still haven't gotten to that in your biology classes, but an embryo, a fetus and a baby are three different things, your analogy is bogus.

[Amg147]

God help you! A BABY IS A BABY IS A BABY! #PROLIFE!

[FunkyMonkee]

In some cases, it is needed!

[doopayo]

Abortion up until full term is perfectly fine.

[doopayo]

Literally this anti abortion bs started during the antebellum south period

aha.confex.com/aha/2019/webprogram/Paper25294.html

[OneManOnly01]

You got 8 dislikes 😂 I think you may have made a record

[doopayo]

I don’t really care. My dislikes are from the same people who talk about how much they hate government control yet are perfectly fine with the government controlling womens bodies

[OneManOnly01]

But only one like. Don't mean to be disrespectful but I've never seen a comment getting so many dislikes on this site

[msc545]

It is murder. Very wrong.

[SmokinAces2000]

No I don’t think it’s wrong

[GoPhuckYaself]

nice to see another person wit a brain around here, not too common nowadays

[Lyndsielee666]

Nope.

[Twalli]

So is eating. Everything you eat was alive.

[Gal67]

That's a ridiculous comparison. What we eat may once have been alive, but it was never human. We're not cannibals you know.

[Twalli]

@Gal67 OP did specify "human life" just life.

[Twalli]

*didn't specify

[AkshiJanjua]

Its wrong but its a necessary evil

[Massageman]

Yes, it is.

[Redstang88]

Nope

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Yes it is.