I ask this as I have known people having up to 9 abortions Obviously there are health reasons There are accident pregnancys Can't something be done about the serial aborts
No abortion isn´t the right move but it´s a consequence of the real mistake. See, we live in a world where people want the fun and but don´t want the consequences. Needing an abortion just shows that one of the partners having sex wasn´t ready to take the possible consequences. I´m not saying that if woman was raped, that´s her fault, it´s the man´s fault who raped her. A guy who feels like he needs to rape a woman to get his pleasure is in my view immature because he might be mature enough to use his dick but he isn´t mature enough to understand and take care of the consequences of his doing. But not all women who want an abortion are raped, many want to abort their possible child, because they had sex with a partner who wasn´t ready to take the commitment of being a farther or they weren´t both ready to being a parent. In my view they are both immature. We are living in a world where people want to do what´s fun and pleasure but they don´t want to take the consequences of their doing. If you have sex without a condom then it shouldn´t be a surprise to a guy that she will become pregnant. If you don´t want to have children, then you should think of other forms of be intimate or you should have preparations to minimize the chance of getting them. Because everything else is immature. But that´s what we are. We are talking so much about climate change how everybody want´s to save nature and the world, but still prefering SUVs over electronic cars. We like fast and expensive cars mostly because they are fast and we like the sound of their engine. We like to talk about people shall be more responsible but still we´re preferring junk food over healthy food and soft drinks over water because it tastes better. Afterwards wondering why´s everybody over-weighted. It´s not popular, I know, but that´s how it goes. Guys like and love to talk about sex but they don´t want to think of their doing because they forget that it´s their action that makes a woman become pregnant. It´s the responsibility of the both them. I don´t like the idea of an abortion and I wouldn´t make it an easy decision because life is a gift and looking on human from a materialistic point of view one could argue that a human never stops being just a bunch of cells. The human exists as a combination out of many trillions of cells. Our identity is something we make up, nature doesn´t give you identity, society does. If a new born child, wasn´t becoming a part of society and interacting with other humans no one would bother giving him/her a name that differs from other humans. All you say you are, is made up either by yourself or by society to better clarify what kind of cluster of cells you are. Think about your life that way you´re living because some one gave you the chance to live.
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What you have said makes a lot of sense and comes across very sensible with good maturity However there ar many reasons why abortions become to be The female might be a victim of abuse be it physical or mentally There maybe heath problems Where the parents couldn't cope and the child wouldn't have been a candidate for foster or adaptive parents There maybe a violent in the parental home I've seen what happens to the traurmed children and of course rape It's not an easy decision for the mother and father to come to terms with it Everyday they shall. see children the same age as their baby would be But as for the the multi aborters should be given temporary sterilisation and possibly the guys causing the problem too some girls are forced to have sex for money ( Youngest being 12 from recollection ) for their boyfriend who becomes the pimp of which mostly become falsed addiction So feel sympathy
Thank you for the feedback reading my comment again, I agree that it sounds harsher than it was meant to be. I would never that I know everything and have a full built opinion and I´m thankful for your additions. I´m just struggling being part of a generation who likes the fun part of life while not wanting to be responsible for the consequences. We like to talk, think of sex as something fun or pleasure, but to think about the consequences. That´s my point, I don´t anything about the conditions one has to have to become a foster parent. It´s not that I have no sympathy with them and I don´t want to be harsh with different people who think about abortion.
@deebreelee I know, the funny part is that it’s the people who are against abortion who say “you just don’t want to live with the consequences of being sexually active” it’s a ridiculous argument, and what makes it interesting to me
Yes, you can have sex education. But, historically, the places/cultures that are the most against abortion, are most also against sex education, and teach “abstinence only ““ birth-control methods, which have been shown to be the least effective, and rates of sexually transmitted diseases are highest in communities of practice these types of birth control. You’re also going to have higher incidence of pregnancy, including the many unwanted pregnancies. It’s just simple logic, if you keep people ignorant, they are going to act ignorantly.
If someone has 9 abortions they need to consider their lifestyle choices. I think it depends on the circumstances. I am against abortion because I was going to abort my daughter, I was young and scared (I don't really think abortion would have worked with her she'd have clung on for dear life as she's strong and sassy lol). I kept her and now I think getting rid of a child because you are young and scared and want a career is wrong it will work.
Fast forward 13 years on. I have 2 children now and the youngest is about to start high school. I went to college/university and now finally have a good job. I have a mortgage and a beautiful home and I am just getting a bit of independence from my kids. I was told I couldn't have more kids as I had some issues. I fall pregnant to a guy I do not love after raising the other 2 alone. I can't afford the childcare to remain in my job. I can't afford to quit my job. I love my 2 children very much and want to see them happy and getting the things they want. We are only just able to afford family holidays. If I have this child I will be doing it alone again because I don't love the father so I won't force a relationship. I do not want to go back to sleepless nights etc. I abort but am ultra-careful not to get in that situation again. I have no regrets and made the choice in an overpopulated world I need to be able to give the 2 kids I already have everything they want. Here I am pro-abortion. Just depends on the circumstances. Though I have always kept an open mind and never been strongly for or against only the person making the decision can know and understand why they are doing it.
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I have been so touched from your opinion My wife left me with a 2 yr old and a 4 mth old So as a single parent I gave up my. 40k job to be there as and when I felt so proud of their school plays My oldest really does have a singing voice of an Angel She used to go to a Sunday school as I thought the morals alone are worth it My youngest could have been aborted But I explained to my wife when she asked me That I would support her 100% in which ever decision she would want to take but she knew what I wanted and w won't through the pregnancy together I don't feel any bitterness to he for living and promoted to my children that she loved them but she wasn't well She gave me the greatest gift ever My girls are both adults now with 1 baby each But I still wouldn't condemn anyone who has an abortion you must have faced the most horrific choice one could ever have to make I feel very proud of you and your life sound very positive now and all down to your drive to keep a home that welcomes and fits like a jigsaw within your journey
Yes, if it is necassary. I think nobody should force a woman to go trough a pregnancy. Anyway an embryo is not a fully developed human being aka alive and even it is a life being and this human should not have special rights such as using someone 's organ (uterus) against this person's will. I also dont have right to use your organ against your will and it does not matter if you need it to survive. So you either give everyone this right or to none. Dont @ me, i am not going to read your reply and dont want to discuss
Especially if a women is raped it's not like she was not being responsible and even if that was the case she should obviously still have controll of her own body but if a women is raped then she has to suffer and birth a child with a person whose memory will probably haunt her for the rest of her life? Like like why!
If you want one then yes if you don't want one then no if the question is should Abortion be a choice then yes obviously because otherwise women will just try to get one by going to other states or illegally with unsterilized tools and that's awful because women should be allowed to be in control of their bod without having to get maybe sick and have infections because some stupid white male wants to take what should be her own basic freedoms! Why do some men want to control whatever women do anyway yeah so if it's should women have the choice then yes obviously! This app is awesome practice for Congress within Speech and Debate!!
Technically, there is no right move. People say “don’t abort your child” but we have millions of orphans and foster children so why keep a child in a world where they could feel unwanted? Plus a lot of foster children get molested and raped, and I’m sorry but I rather the child not exist.
I would never have an abortion but I personally want kids, but what about the people who don’t? The woman carrying should choose because what if she’s 13 and she got raped or something? I hate that our government can tell us what to do with our bodies.
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I know everything you said is so true I had to support my X Wife over her pregnant She wanted an abortion but she knew I hated the idea but I said I would support her in what ever she decided She decided to have her but left me when she was just ove 4 mths old so I brought my Daughtes up on my own
I’m very sorry to here that, you’re a very good man to still take care of your child. But, I do think there should be a limit on the number of abortions you’re allowed to have. It’s not birth control, if they don’t want children then they need to take better precautions. We have condoms, and birth control of different kinds. It should be a last resort, maybe 1 abortion every 3 years?
Repeat after me: ABORTION IS *NOT* A MEANS OF BIRTH CONTROL!
Use condoms, IUD, birth control pills etc. These methods, on their own or combined are very effective. And failure rate is less than 1 percent.
In rare cases when these methods fail or health concerns , abortion might be considered, but even that can be decided early on.
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I agree in principle I agree but there are some cases where an abortion has to be a possibility However when they are serial offenders then I was asking should we protect the babies rights to be born
In current scenario that would mean forcing the woman to carry the foetus / baby against her will, which I don't support. But I do think that the ones who are "serial offenders", using abortion as a birth control should be identified. And there should be measures put in place to discourage such behaviour and guiding them to use actual birth control measures.
Also, in future if the foetus can be supported in artificial wombs then I do think the government should fund it. And instead of basically crushing and sucking the foetus out it should be transferred to the artificial womb.
Yes your answer and reasons are very true I was just saying that as there are a shortage of babies to adopt it would be away forward An alternative would be a temporary sterilisation
What about if a woman is raped though? Most abortions if in state and m=not snuck out of state abortions usually take place within 2 to 3 months four at most
@SamB233 Rape, contraception failure is understandable. And it's uncommon. And as you said , abortion can be done within first 3-4 months. Other than medical reasons, I can't think of any situation that'd require late term abortion. The Asker appears to be most concerned about women who are apparently using abortion as a birth control. And getting multiple abortions.
I think it's right because the baby doesn't even have feelings nor they know they're alive. While the mother may not be prepared to bring the child into this world. So, the child will suffer even more on this planet, either being given up for adoption or neglected, or living in poverty and starving.
Abortion is evil, which is why the Satanists of the left consider it to be a sacrament. Abortion is the murder of an unborn child, by the child's mother. That is as evil and depraved and it gets. Such women will join RBG in Hell. She had the blood of 60 million unborn children on her bill.
That is completely insane and outright horrifying that you think women always have the choice of wether they get pregnant, at least other people are being respectful of others opinions in this chat! Rape is real now you may not have ever experienced it but it is! People who respect womens aren't rapists! You get that right so do you think taht some random pompus dick who thinks that women can be abused is goig to use a condom? That is insane, i'd respect yu if your prolife, that's a difference of opinions, but that, what you are saying right now is horrible it shouldn't be a wome's respinsibility, SIR to give birth to a child who was 'given', to her by a horrible person, kids should be about starting a family ether by havig a sperm doner if you can't find someone! Or maybe you are gay/lesbian and you want to have kids, but still want biological! Kids are about starting your family, kids are not about being raped and being trapped with a child who maybe you can't support cause you are a kid! And because you ahve to relive the most tramatic evet of youtr life that is insane! So it's not 'her' problem! it sometimes is forced upon her but it shoudln't be! Also I want to thank you somehow as am actually debating this issue on the bill that I'm drafting that prohibits anti-abortion laws from the government enforced by taking away funding from the federal government is bills are not removed for Mock Congress on Tuesday! Anyway don't know why I thanked you as you seem like an ass!!!
It's wrong to harm your body just like drinking a smoking but it's still a choice if anyone wants to do it. But making abortion a choice still has it's perk. What's more wrong however is to not raise the born child properly due to being unwanted, forcing the mother to make it born and pushing their point of views into the law book.
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Very good theory My wife disappeared leaving me with a 2yr old and 4mnth old baby But I was blessed they were such fantastic children There was never a time they rebelled I was truly blessed
You still don't get the point where pro-life only care if the baby is born but don't care how polluted and populated the world is right now. They don't care if the child is not taken care of properly. You can read it again to see its principles.
But still that is a toys i'm still talking about and we don't consider that as murder because we don't see fetus as a human being. We don't push our point of views into the law book like what pro lifes do. And they do not think they are evil for whatever hypocritical reason.
96% of Biologists believe that life begins at conception. A from the moment of conception, when a sperm and an egg unite to form a cell with full DNA capable of giving instructions for everything he or she will ever do; a whole, unique living human being is created. No one should ever have the right to kill a human being, for any reason.
But scientists don't think that in fact at first a baby isn't even technically living according to scientists because even after fertilization one of the characteristics of life, Thank you, science class, is literally the ability to reproduce baby's don't gain their own sperm for at least three months, have to admit looked that up didn't know that yet, but yeah so without the ability to reproduce your baby isn't living also it literally can't feel anything and it's an injustice to the biological mom!
It's to see how early the baby forms But to say have an abortion That should be a joint decision I became a single Dad to 2yr and a 4 mth old I'm so glad I didn't take the attitude to abort We supported each other and I thank God my 2 are here
I love them as people as should everyone love everybody. However, JESUS corrected their actions and made it known that he did not approve. He said he came to save the lost and also not to join but to divide.
@yads_is_back And here you are dividing people, so please be more like Jesus and love the whores, and stop your judgments leave it to God, you mere mortal are not worthy of judgment.
Plus aborted fetuses go to heaven so you'd be doing them a favour by avoiding the suffering of earthly beings, your welcome. Peace out.
Nice try, but... Who says I ever hate anybody? You’re ignoring the fact that while forgiveness is a virtue, so is this topic, and that Jesus specifically said it is not okay :) “While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” “For the Son of Man came not to serve but to serve.” “The wages of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life through Christ.” And check out all the scriptures about sexual immorality... and where Jesus never said it was okay but he CLEANSED them of it, plus the fact that to be cleansed you have to acknowledge your immorality and wrong.
You skipped all that, didn’t you? Lol Peace 🙏🏼And prayers
@Anon LOL! Yet he also claims to be like God’s son while saying what is obviously a sin is okay according to the Bible... oh God, what has this world come to and how much further 🤦🏻♀️ Anyways, anon, Proverbs 26 also says: “Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself.” So it’s all good lol Regardless of your beliefs, a hypocrite who claims to know but does not know is yet worse than one who doesn’t know to begin with. (That’s also in the Bible. 🤔) so yeah
@yads_is_back I see you like using the bible, so here you go, Jesus actually did say exactly what I did. But Jesus called them to him, saying, “Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God.“
Aborted babies go to heaven. So nice try. I, an atheist, am closer to Jesus than you. Stop your judgments and let God run his course you have no business speaking here.
Timothy 2:11-12 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet”
@Yads_Is_Back Oh they deleted my comment, @yads_is_back I love me some whores! You know who else did? JESUS, that’s right, I’m like Jesus, how do you feel about that?
Hopefully I edited the part that was deemed offensive, I can't imagine Jesus offending anyone, but the name calling sure.
You’re wrong l, and if you read the Bible you would know that. I mean, it’s common sense that Jesus changed people, not let them continue in their sin, hence when he said “Go and sin NO MORE.” But I’m not gonna argue the Bible with a fool lol And they deleted two of mine too. But as I stated, idc 🤣just shows how weak that chick was. Only proved me right
No, I haven’t said anything on where the baby goes, and you’re right in that case. But when you say that Jesus allows that sin and does not ask for your (or whoever it is) desire to change... you’re wrong there. All over his speeches and everything in red, He is holy and loves everyone but does not encourage evil. That is false.
I will also say that as an atheist who apparently is hypocritical and loves to be obnoxious you are not closer to God than I am. I’m not righteous, but I am proud that I’m saved by grace.
@Yads_Is_Back I didn't say Jesus allows sin, I'm saying it isn't a sin. And that I respect hoes like he respects hoes. You are bad mouthing them and sinning in doing so and being unlike Jesus, whereas I am being more Jesus-like than you in accepting them.
According to the bible, life begins at birth--when a baby draws its first breath. The bible defines life as "breath" in several significant passages, including the story of Adam's creation in Genesis 2:7, when God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Jewish law traditionally considers that personhood begins at birth.
So abortion is A OK, according to GOD himself. Not only that, but again, aborting babies sends them straight to heaven, so really it is an amazing thing to do as they will never suffer
@Yads_Is_Back I’m not talking about being a whore, why are you so obsessed with sex for money? The question is about abortion not whores, I’m staying on topic I don’t know what you are doing... Stop your judgment, if you are such a bible thumper you’d say nothing at all it isn’t you place. You are a sinner too. And you are breaking many of the commandments too. Check yourself. Of course you are INCAPABLE of seeing your wrong and the irony is strong here
Again, “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” - Romans 3:23 I am just as guilty as you are and vice versa. If you agree that being a whore is a sin, then we are on the same page. :) As far as the rest, you have only been rude and ignorant. So I’m glad we are on the same page now
@Yads_Is_Back I’m not guilty as I’m an Atheist, but nice try. Nor am I ignorant as I have been in formal debates in regarding this issue and have studied both sides vigorously. I have also read the bible and studied the bible too. So ignorant I am not, just disagree with you wholeheartedly and with good reason.
Disagreement is fine, but you can’t argue that according to the Bible whoredom is not a sin. If you don’t see it as immoral then that’s you and yours and I’m not here to judge your morals. But you can’t say that the Bible doesn’t say it’s a sin because that’s incorrect. And there are more than seven sins. Heck, there’s even the 10 Commandments 😂explain that So yeah, YOUR morals are yours, and I’m not here to correct you on that. I’m saying that if you’re gonna reference the Bible then you’re sounding like an idiot because anybody who has read the Bible knows otherwise. So yeah... have fun lol and God bless 🙏🏼
@Yads_Is_Back I reference the bible to show how ridiculous it is and how many inconsistencies there are and that you can square any of your beliefs with it using various scriptures. You say you understand the bible but you do not, you've decided what is ok and what is it, as I have shown you already a woman should not speak over a man and you are doing it over and over again. "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence"
There is a distinct link between human dignity and the value of life and Christianity. We are all made in the image of God, Man, Woman, big, small, young, old, developing or dying.
A woman should be forced to be more responsible and take accountability for their actions. Enough with the narcissism which allowed in 2019 for the biggest cause of death worldwide to be abortions. This FACT exposes the rape or risk arguments to be nothing but fallacies. Those who are pro-choice and understand this, try their best to dehumanise the child. This is a people without morality.
Do you remember your pregnancy and also the child literally isn't alive it doesn;t have nerves it doesn't respond to homeostasis yet it can't reproduce it fails two of the characteristics of liek scientifically speaking it is not alive and that is a fact! Ou side isn't dehiminizing the child we ignolage that it is a child and that it could have grown up to do wonderful things in tis world but for women being forced to carry it for nine montsh that's not fair! It literally is a cnstant reminder f what happened if was rape if not most highschool relationships aren't to serious in my opinion why have a amily witha. guy who isn't going to be your husband or of course what if you just straight up can not afford it also your diagram entitled how pregnancy actually works is off it actually is really way way smaller at first and most abortions happen if alowed and are not snuck out of state and planned within the first two to three montsh so umm get your facts straight! Also it literally does because while the rapist got pleasure he also wins because he gets to know that the woman is suffering! So yeah feel free to counter but literally, your timeline is off we agknolage science but we also agknolage ethics unlike ProLife people tend to do also notice most men say it's bad but really if your opposed to it, just mind your own damn business!!!
@SamB233 Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception. "Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote." "Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception). You're ending a life, we call that murder.
@SamB233 there is absolutely nothing unfair about having to account for your actions. When you have sex (a choice) you are fully understanding of the risks at hand (a child). Now we are arguing for and against responsibility and accountability. What is unfair is a woman choosing to have sex, then later decide to end that life for whichever selfish reason you wish to list. That is completely unfair, unjustified and immoral.
The rape argument is a fallacy, 1-4 women in the UK have had an abortion. 1-4 haven't been raped, this is a matter of mortality and self-accountability, not victimhood.
@SamB233 if the woman's body not being mine makes it none of my business, i. e I don't get a say. Then the fact the child is not her body means the very same. She shouldn't get to decide the fate of another human being, murder is murder. I won't take lectures from the morally corrupt trying to justify ripping babies into pieces.
But you're discussing your actions as moral when really your just outright sexist what if the mother couldn't afford the child so they go homeless what if it was her boyfriend but he broke up with her because of it You Also have to consider the fact that the baby could be deformed and I ask again do you remember their pregnancy it is painless! Also, show a little respect have you even considered the physical toll this has on people also condoms and birth control don't always work that's a fact! And abstinence is stupid! I'm more educated than you and i'm fucking 15 years old! If a woman gets pregnant and she wants a child hallelujah don't know how to spell that anyway here's the point if not go mind your own fucking business it's the womans right!!
Also stop pinging me over and over again I'm staying up to practice my argument for my debate on abortion, so just give me a break reply once please it's 3:14 am here LMFAO rn!! So no need to do that also your numbers are wrong where are you getting your facts? I have notecards ope with facts for my debate what are you using quora? So confused here's some real facts wth links so you can fact check it https://ww w. guttmac her. org/sites/default/files/pdfs/pubs/psrh/full/3711005. pdf link separated as for some fucking reason you can't post links at my level here anyway those are economics along with baby's and abortion statistics it's official and it's accurate and keep in mind that incest and known rapes are 63% less likely to be reported as they are afraid of their family members/professors also maybe being blackmailed so please keep that in mind buddy!
@SamB233 You have fallen back on isms. In newspeak, you've conceded the argument.
"the mother couldn't afford the child so they go homeless" Precisely, I refer you back to my previous points of responsibility and self- accountability. Whether you realise it or not, you're now making my arguments for me.
"Also have to consider the fact that the baby could be deformed" We in this modern time consider our civilisation better than previous one (such as a the ancient Greeks) because we don't throw deformed children off Cliffs. You're perfectly exuding the moral bankruptcy I am talking about. Just so you understand, those children deserve love too.
I also just want to state that simeone names TraceyByrd sais "I don't care if your a kid go fucking get hit by a truck" in a private message so I am going to ask that you and the other anonymous person don't keep telling me to do die! Can't we remain civil I mean I know we're arguing and this is a debate but you can't threaten people as it makes me feel uncomfortable and I know that was these people's intent and in that regard it worked but understand that you can swear hell you can even make fun of another person's opinion if youw ant although it's rude but don't make threaten the actual person with death threats especially not about my family! Okay anonomous people shouldn't be telling me that they hope my family who are Jewish my mistake for mentioning tht earlier should have died in the holocaust! That's not funny I am serious I don't want people private messaging me that they hope me and my family die! Please thnl you sorry but had to say this as felt unsafe
No what I'm saying is tht you shouldn't tell me that my whole family should die! Also I don't mean deformed s it maybe can't walk or maybe brain issues! I mean if your baby has a lung disease and you know the baby will only last a couple of weeks maybe even days why get attacked to siomething that is only goint to die! ALso don't make fun of my age I'm a senior okay I skipped two grades and am the varsity volleyball captain and am taking a college course in economics have won a state debate championchip okay I'm not trying to brag at all despie how that seems, but I'm trying to state taht don't judge me by my age I have achieved more than you have obviosuly and I'm not trying to take away womens freedoms!!
So with all due respect shut the fuck up because I'm trying to go to college and get more educated and I'm going to fix this screwed up world so I need my sleep! I will respond if you finish before I shower and get ready for bed otherwise I'll respond in the morning!!!
If you kill a fly, is it murder? No. Heck, even if you kill animals its not murder. For it to be a murder there needs to be an actual human. And until the fetus is developed there is no human.
@JessieBellll Well, I wouldn't agree that law being past means scientific agreement, as science as well as God will tell you life begins at conception. But we shall agree to disagree there.
UK law states it must be carried out during the first 24 weeks of pregnancy after two doctors have signed agreeing that the case meets certain criteria; such as risk to the physical or mental health of either the woman or the child if the pregnancy were to continue. The fact 99.9% of all abortions in the UK are underground C as being performed because of the risk to the woman's mental health exposes this nonsensical law. Stress or anxiety doesn't equate to any moral justification for ending a life. But we shall respectively disagree.
@JessieBellll I guess the medical profession doesn't mean "woman" when they say women either. You're now redefining the meaning of words to keep your narrative going.
Ahh I see now. You have twisted the words a bit OK.
What they mean by a child is AFTER its been born. So if the child will have problems etc after it's been born. It does not say a fetus is a child before it's developed and born.
Before a baby is developed its reffered to as fetus.
@JessieBellll No, I quoted you word for word the law of the land, regarding abortion up to 24 weeks. I have twisted absolutely nothing. To reassure yourself, have a look at the law and get back to me.
" first 24 weeks of pregnancy after two doctors have signed agreeing that the case meets certain criteria; such as risk to the physical or mental health of either the woman or the child if the pregnancy were to continue."
It would never reach a status of Murder There has to be a law which can allow the abortion If this wasn't so then Murder would have to be Fetus grows from an early stage once the cells have done their part At this point the fetus turns to look like a life 22 weeks is very advance stage and yet abortion is still allowed Obviously they are acceptable mitigating circumstances None of this is a black or white situation but it should be policed against the number of abotions they have
@nightdrot WTF is wrong with you I'm a Jew Well I'm an atheist born a jew and he was right it's all nurture the way you are raised, if you want to hide your sexism behind some fucked up morals then that's fine! But just shut up and let people make their own choices with their bodies! In WW2 Jews we're frequently raped and then once they had their kids they we're thrown into the Furnaces not an oven but anyways it's not Hansel and grettle they forced them to hve kids then burned them alive so wtf!!
@SamB233 Then you should know better. Just because there is no absolute agreement on what is right and wrong, does not mean that there IS no right and wrong.
Moral relativism of the king you are dishing out is the worst kind of elementary school tripe and justifies all sort of crimes. You as a Jew from Germany should know better.
The reason, in fact, why we have democracy is so that imperfect beings in an imperfect world can debate and come to discover the true good. AS imperfect beings we will never fully get there, but that does not mean it exists.
Suffice to say, when people don't debate the good, the very bad usually wins and people like yourself get put in camps. Man does not live by himself and cannot govern himself as a law unto himself. This being the other flaw in your - ahem, and here I use the word generously - argument.
Oh, and by the way, my aunt and two uncles are Polish Jews who spent time in the camps and who then lived under the Communists after that. Also, my other aunt is a German who grew up in Nazi Germany and escaped from East Germany in the late 1950s.
Suffice to say, their stories are quite revealing.
So what is my problem? My problem is people who should know better proffering philosophical tripe and presuming it is profound insight. When in reality, they end up justifying all sorts of crimes.
Also most pregnancies are terminated long before the fetus looks anything like your little plastic doll. At least half of all pregnancies are spontaneously aborted and unmourned.
Unmouned would be a rare occurrence I know many cases where the would be mum has Mental health problems seeing children the age of their aborted child which they have guilt or a longing to go back and undo what they have done
Yes educate her. Also make sure that she is in a safe place and not a victim of abuse.
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So hard these days with so many Sexual Assault Rape and Murders We can only protect them by hopefully letting them be aware of dangers My daughter had a near miss But I addressed with the parents who were friends at the time
If my partner gets pregnant but she doesn't want to have a child, the first thing I do is contact an adoption agency and look for a couple who wants to have a child but can't do it via natural way
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So she will have an abortion So why look for a couple
I believe the idea is that if you're having sex you have to accept the chance of pregnancy. Therefore you should not be having sex with someone if you're not ready to accept that chance. If you read the labeling on a condom package you'll see that they "Do not completely eliminate the risks of pregnancy." Therefore you can't just say it was an accident since you should know there is always a known chance of failure. I believe rape is being categorized as more "accidental" here in the same way that someone might "accidentally" allow themselves to be attacked by a rabid dog.
@FR_Ruby Exactly. 👏🏼 Some people can’t read though and don’t like what’s called “responsibility.” They are dumb enough to purposely keep doing the cause then whine like babies when they get the effect. It’s like, how stupid can you be 😂
Birth control doesn't always work and broken condoms aren't a joke your a woman why would you want to restrict your own freedoms? Personally a little confused A lot of people might feel mad about getting an abortrion but it might of if it was a teen pregnancy had a worse life if you kept it alive maybe you can't afford it why abortions are illegal some places is beyond my understanding! It's like if you get tramatized by being raped for one example case then you have to go through nine more months of torture and not even for a guy you like but for some dick who treats women like shit and your not allowed to stop that trauma? Just my opinion still understand yours
I like our rabid dog analogy! lmao! Been watching Criminal Minds if those men down below had sen what these people are actually doing and forced to go through! Maybe they woukd understand!!
@SamB233 I said rape is the exception. To answer your question about myself and restricting my “freedoms,” I’m RESPONSIBLE and not a whore. So that makes a huge difference.
Absolutely But its not as black and white even to call some a whore We don't know their backgrounds as to why their lifes have been affected to have to come to this horrific decision It's the serial aborters
@Anon You know, I have to give you credit. We disagree here but you’re the ONLY user on here so far who has gotten into a debate and remained calm, cool, and firm in your stance. I disagree with your point of view but I like you, whichever user you are. I seriously wouldn’t have thought this kind of maturity existed on GAG.
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