What you have said makes a lot of sense and comes across very sensible with good maturity However there ar many reasons why abortions become to be The female might be a victim of abuse be it physical or mentally There maybe heath problems Where the parents couldn't cope and the child wouldn't have been a candidate for foster or adaptive parents There maybe a violent in the parental home I've seen what happens to the traurmed children and of course rape It's not an easy decision for the mother and father to come to terms with it Everyday they shall. see children the same age as their baby would be But as for the the multi aborters should be given temporary sterilisation and possibly the guys causing the problem too some girls are forced to have sex for money ( Youngest being 12 from recollection ) for their boyfriend who becomes the pimp of which mostly become falsed addiction So feel sympathy
I just find it interesting so many people call a child a “consequence” it’s an interesting word to use
Thank you for the feedback reading my comment again, I agree that it sounds harsher than it was meant to be. I would never that I know everything and have a full built opinion and I´m thankful for your additions. I´m just struggling being part of a generation who likes the fun part of life while not wanting to be responsible for the consequences. We like to talk, think of sex as something fun or pleasure, but to think about the consequences. That´s my point, I don´t anything about the conditions one has to have to become a foster parent. It´s not that I have no sympathy with them and I don´t want to be harsh with different people who think about abortion.
@Archerer Yes it might be, it just a likely result of unprevented vaginal sex.
@Archerer well if it's something you didn't want it kinda is a consequence
@deebreelee I know, the funny part is that it’s the people who are against abortion who say “you just don’t want to live with the consequences of being sexually active” it’s a ridiculous argument, and what makes it interesting to me
@Archerer I agree calling a child a consequence as if they are a form of punishment is just plain wrong.
@Goodwifie I'm glad you agree but I wonder if you read my actual opinion, I am worried you think I am a pro lifer. I say, kill the babies!
@Archerer I am so tired of unplanned pregnancies being used as kind of punishment for a woman.I am on your side.
I like that
I have been so touched from your opinion My wife left me with a 2 yr old and a 4 mth old So as a single parent I gave up my. 40k job to be there as and when I felt so proud of their school plays My oldest really does have a singing voice of an Angel She used to go to a Sunday school as I thought the morals alone are worth it My youngest could have been aborted But I explained to my wife when she asked me That I would support her 100% in which ever decision she would want to take but she knew what I wanted and w won't through the pregnancy together I don't feel any bitterness to he for living and promoted to my children that she loved them but she wasn't well She gave me the greatest gift ever My girls are both adults now with 1 baby each But I still wouldn't condemn anyone who has an abortion you must have faced the most horrific choice one could ever have to make I feel very proud of you and your life sound very positive now and all down to your drive to keep a home that welcomes and fits like a jigsaw within your journey
Look how mainly men are against it. We should force them to have a labour pain every time a woman has to go through forced pregnancy
of course, it should always be an option why do women need more sexist men taking control of their bodies!
I'm willing to meet you halfway. I'll take that pain if you learn some self-control and education the sisterhood.
Especially if a women is raped it's not like she was not being responsible and even if that was the case she should obviously still have controll of her own body but if a women is raped then she has to suffer and birth a child with a person whose memory will probably haunt her for the rest of her life? Like like why!
@SamB233 @JimoGB fuck off. I said dont @me wtf you dont understand. I also dont complain about your pro life garbage.
@SamB233 by the way I am not sexist. I also think that men should have a right to not pay child support if they want abortion and do not want a kid.
I accepted your offer 😆
@SamB233 oh I misunderstand you. I am so sorry. I thought you are another pro lifer who can't tolerate other opinions.
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I know everything you said is so true I had to support my X Wife over her pregnant She wanted an abortion but she knew I hated the idea but I said I would support her in what ever she decided She decided to have her but left me when she was just ove 4 mths old so I brought my Daughtes up on my own
I’m very sorry to here that, you’re a very good man to still take care of your child. But, I do think there should be a limit on the number of abortions you’re allowed to have. It’s not birth control, if they don’t want children then they need to take better precautions. We have condoms, and birth control of different kinds. It should be a last resort, maybe 1 abortion every 3 years?
I agree in principle I agree but there are some cases where an abortion has to be a possibility However when they are serial offenders then I was asking should we protect the babies rights to be born
In current scenario that would mean forcing the woman to carry the foetus / baby against her will, which I don't support. But I do think that the ones who are "serial offenders", using abortion as a birth control should be identified. And there should be measures put in place to discourage such behaviour and guiding them to use actual birth control measures. Also, in future if the foetus can be supported in artificial wombs then I do think the government should fund it. And instead of basically crushing and sucking the foetus out it should be transferred to the artificial womb.
Yes your answer and reasons are very true I was just saying that as there are a shortage of babies to adopt it would be away forward An alternative would be a temporary sterilisation
In Russia abortions are the primary method of birth control. Not even Putin himself can get enough support to stop that.
What about if a woman is raped though? Most abortions if in state and m=not snuck out of state abortions usually take place within 2 to 3 months four at most
@SamB233 Rape, contraception failure is understandable. And it's uncommon. And as you said , abortion can be done within first 3-4 months. Other than medical reasons, I can't think of any situation that'd require late term abortion. The Asker appears to be most concerned about women who are apparently using abortion as a birth control. And getting multiple abortions.
That is completely insane and outright horrifying that you think women always have the choice of wether they get pregnant, at least other people are being respectful of others opinions in this chat! Rape is real now you may not have ever experienced it but it is! People who respect womens aren't rapists! You get that right so do you think taht some random pompus dick who thinks that women can be abused is goig to use a condom? That is insane, i'd respect yu if your prolife, that's a difference of opinions, but that, what you are saying right now is horrible it shouldn't be a wome's respinsibility, SIR to give birth to a child who was 'given', to her by a horrible person, kids should be about starting a family ether by havig a sperm doner if you can't find someone! Or maybe you are gay/lesbian and you want to have kids, but still want biological! Kids are about starting your family, kids are not about being raped and being trapped with a child who maybe you can't support cause you are a kid! And because you ahve to relive the most tramatic evet of youtr life that is insane! So it's not 'her' problem! it sometimes is forced upon her but it shoudln't be! Also I want to thank you somehow as am actually debating this issue on the bill that I'm drafting that prohibits anti-abortion laws from the government enforced by taking away funding from the federal government is bills are not removed for Mock Congress on Tuesday! Anyway don't know why I thanked you as you seem like an ass!!!
“ So women should take control of their bodies”Exactly, let them decide.
Very good theory My wife disappeared leaving me with a 2yr old and 4mnth old baby But I was blessed they were such fantastic children There was never a time they rebelled I was truly blessed
Sure but that's not always the case for all families. And besides, there are billions of people polluting our planet now.
I agree with the original comment rn also glad your kids are wonderful!!!
Also, what does polluting have to do with this?
You still don't get the point where pro-life only care if the baby is born but don't care how polluted and populated the world is right now. They don't care if the child is not taken care of properly. You can read it again to see its principles.
But still that is a toys i'm still talking about and we don't consider that as murder because we don't see fetus as a human being. We don't push our point of views into the law book like what pro lifes do. And they do not think they are evil for whatever hypocritical reason.
@Yads_Is_Back What the fuck is your problem don't call someone that especially if she wants to defend her own rights!
@SamB233 report her
It is just ridiculous how you attack people with different opinions.
It's to see how early the baby forms But to say have an abortion That should be a joint decision I became a single Dad to 2yr and a 4 mth old I'm so glad I didn't take the attitude to abort We supported each other and I thank God my 2 are here
It should be a joint decision if the woman wants it to be
I think it should be law that both of you have a say
I love them as people as should everyone love everybody. However, JESUS corrected their actions and made it known that he did not approve. He said he came to save the lost and also not to join but to divide.
I disagree, that would be a stupid law. @Yads_Is_Back And here you are dividing people, so please be more like Jesus and love the whores, and stop your judgments leave it to God, you mere mortal are not worthy of judgment. Plus aborted fetuses go to heaven so you'd be doing them a favour by avoiding the suffering of earthly beings, your welcome. Peace out.
Nice try, but... Who says I ever hate anybody? You’re ignoring the fact that while forgiveness is a virtue, so is this topic, and that Jesus specifically said it is not okay :) “While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”“For the Son of Man came not to serve but to serve.”“The wages of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life through Christ.”And check out all the scriptures about sexual immorality... and where Jesus never said it was okay but he CLEANSED them of it, plus the fact that to be cleansed you have to acknowledge your immorality and wrong.You skipped all that, didn’t you? LolPeace 🙏🏼And prayers
Jesus would also never say anything you just said. Curse someone then say you’re like Jesus, omg 😂Oh God, help these people 🙏🏼
@ Archerer Your a typical guy who likes the fun but won't take any responsibility
@Anon LOL! Yet he also claims to be like God’s son while saying what is obviously a sin is okay according to the Bible... oh God, what has this world come to and how much further 🤦🏻♀️Anyways, anon, Proverbs 26 also says: “Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself.” So it’s all good lol Regardless of your beliefs, a hypocrite who claims to know but does not know is yet worse than one who doesn’t know to begin with. (That’s also in the Bible. 🤔) so yeah
@Yads_Is_Back I’m an Atheist. And a father.
@Yads_Is_Back I see you like using the bible, so here you go, Jesus actually did say exactly what I did. But Jesus called them to him, saying, “Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God.“Aborted babies go to heaven. So nice try. I, an atheist, am closer to Jesus than you. Stop your judgments and let God run his course you have no business speaking here.Timothy 2:11-1211 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet”So you may be quiet and learn from my words.
@Yads_Is_Back Oh they deleted my comment, @Yads_Is_Back I love me some whores! You know who else did? JESUS, that’s right, I’m like Jesus, how do you feel about that?Hopefully I edited the part that was deemed offensive, I can't imagine Jesus offending anyone, but the name calling sure.
Again, I am an Atheist, and a father. I adopted a child that wasn't wanted BY THE WAY.
You’re wrong l, and if you read the Bible you would know that. I mean, it’s common sense that Jesus changed people, not let them continue in their sin, hence when he said “Go and sin NO MORE.” But I’m not gonna argue the Bible with a fool lolAnd they deleted two of mine too. But as I stated, idc 🤣just shows how weak that chick was. Only proved me right
I have read the bible, and I gave you a direct quote. Are you saying dead babies don't go to heaven?
No, I haven’t said anything on where the baby goes, and you’re right in that case. But when you say that Jesus allows that sin and does not ask for your (or whoever it is) desire to change... you’re wrong there. All over his speeches and everything in red, He is holy and loves everyone but does not encourage evil. That is false.
I will also say that as an atheist who apparently is hypocritical and loves to be obnoxious you are not closer to God than I am. I’m not righteous, but I am proud that I’m saved by grace.
No I hadn't meant it to come across like Jesus lived by the scriptures Love peace and harmony
@Yads_Is_Back I didn't say Jesus allows sin, I'm saying it isn't a sin. And that I respect hoes like he respects hoes. You are bad mouthing them and sinning in doing so and being unlike Jesus, whereas I am being more Jesus-like than you in accepting them.
Everything you are saying is anti-Christian and you shouldn't be speaking at all as a woman, I thought you knew that since you say you read the bible.
@Yads_Is_BackAccording to the bible, life begins at birth--when a baby draws its first breath. The bible defines life as "breath" in several significant passages, including the story of Adam's creation in Genesis 2:7, when God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Jewish law traditionally considers that personhood begins at birth.So abortion is A OK, according to GOD himself. Not only that, but again, aborting babies sends them straight to heaven, so really it is an amazing thing to do as they will never suffer
Being a whore is a sin. But okay 😂
@Yads_Is_Back I’m not talking about being a whore, why are you so obsessed with sex for money? The question is about abortion not whores, I’m staying on topic I don’t know what you are doing... Stop your judgment, if you are such a bible thumper you’d say nothing at all it isn’t you place. You are a sinner too. And you are breaking many of the commandments too. Check yourself. Of course you are INCAPABLE of seeing your wrong and the irony is strong here
Again, “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” - Romans 3:23I am just as guilty as you are and vice versa. If you agree that being a whore is a sin, then we are on the same page. :)As far as the rest, you have only been rude and ignorant. So I’m glad we are on the same page now
@Yads_Is_Back I’m not guilty as I’m an Atheist, but nice try. Nor am I ignorant as I have been in formal debates in regarding this issue and have studied both sides vigorously. I have also read the bible and studied the bible too. So ignorant I am not, just disagree with you wholeheartedly and with good reason.
And whores don’t break any of the 7 sins so obviously it’s not a sin.
Disagreement is fine, but you can’t argue that according to the Bible whoredom is not a sin. If you don’t see it as immoral then that’s you and yours and I’m not here to judge your morals. But you can’t say that the Bible doesn’t say it’s a sin because that’s incorrect. And there are more than seven sins. Heck, there’s even the 10 Commandments 😂explain thatSo yeah, YOUR morals are yours, and I’m not here to correct you on that. I’m saying that if you’re gonna reference the Bible then you’re sounding like an idiot because anybody who has read the Bible knows otherwise. So yeah... have fun lol and God bless 🙏🏼
@Yads_Is_Back I reference the bible to show how ridiculous it is and how many inconsistencies there are and that you can square any of your beliefs with it using various scriptures. You say you understand the bible but you do not, you've decided what is ok and what is it, as I have shown you already a woman should not speak over a man and you are doing it over and over again. "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence"
A godly man, that isI won’t listen to a crazy man nor am I supposed to 😂
@Yads_Is_Back God literally told me I am his best child so go fuck off with your hate
So she will have an abortion So why look for a couple
But scientists don't think that in fact at first a baby isn't even technically living according to scientists because even after fertilization one of the characteristics of life, Thank you, science class, is literally the ability to reproduce baby's don't gain their own sperm for at least three months, have to admit looked that up didn't know that yet, but yeah so without the ability to reproduce your baby isn't living also it literally can't feel anything and it's an injustice to the biological mom!
96% of biologists also are in favour of abortion
That's amazing Thank you
There is a distinct link between human dignity and the value of life and Christianity. We are all made in the image of God, Man, Woman, big, small, young, old, developing or dying. A woman should be forced to be more responsible and take accountability for their actions. Enough with the narcissism which allowed in 2019 for the biggest cause of death worldwide to be abortions. This FACT exposes the rape or risk arguments to be nothing but fallacies. Those who are pro-choice and understand this, try their best to dehumanise the child. This is a people without morality.
But if its in the early stages up to month 5, it cannot be considered a human being and is therefore not a child, just a fetus.
@JessieBellll Life begins at conception. Not when a baby kicks for the first time.
For the sake of argument, I'll give you the 5 months, now explain to me why murder is justified?
Do you remember your pregnancy and also the child literally isn't alive it doesn;t have nerves it doesn't respond to homeostasis yet it can't reproduce it fails two of the characteristics of liek scientifically speaking it is not alive and that is a fact! Ou side isn't dehiminizing the child we ignolage that it is a child and that it could have grown up to do wonderful things in tis world but for women being forced to carry it for nine montsh that's not fair! It literally is a cnstant reminder f what happened if was rape if not most highschool relationships aren't to serious in my opinion why have a amily witha. guy who isn't going to be your husband or of course what if you just straight up can not afford it also your diagram entitled how pregnancy actually works is off it actually is really way way smaller at first and most abortions happen if alowed and are not snuck out of state and planned within the first two to three montsh so umm get your facts straight! Also it literally does because while the rapist got pleasure he also wins because he gets to know that the woman is suffering! So yeah feel free to counter but literally, your timeline is off we agknolage science but we also agknolage ethics unlike ProLife people tend to do also notice most men say it's bad but really if your opposed to it, just mind your own damn business!!!
@SamB233 Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception. "Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote." "Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception). You're ending a life, we call that murder.
@SamB233 there is absolutely nothing unfair about having to account for your actions. When you have sex (a choice) you are fully understanding of the risks at hand (a child). Now we are arguing for and against responsibility and accountability. What is unfair is a woman choosing to have sex, then later decide to end that life for whichever selfish reason you wish to list. That is completely unfair, unjustified and immoral.
The rape argument is a fallacy, 1-4 women in the UK have had an abortion. 1-4 haven't been raped, this is a matter of mortality and self-accountability, not victimhood.
@SamB233 if the woman's body not being mine makes it none of my business, i. e I don't get a say. Then the fact the child is not her body means the very same. She shouldn't get to decide the fate of another human being, murder is murder. I won't take lectures from the morally corrupt trying to justify ripping babies into pieces.
But you're discussing your actions as moral when really your just outright sexist what if the mother couldn't afford the child so they go homeless what if it was her boyfriend but he broke up with her because of it You Also have to consider the fact that the baby could be deformed and I ask again do you remember their pregnancy it is painless! Also, show a little respect have you even considered the physical toll this has on people also condoms and birth control don't always work that's a fact! And abstinence is stupid! I'm more educated than you and i'm fucking 15 years old! If a woman gets pregnant and she wants a child hallelujah don't know how to spell that anyway here's the point if not go mind your own fucking business it's the womans right!!
Also stop pinging me over and over again I'm staying up to practice my argument for my debate on abortion, so just give me a break reply once please it's 3:14 am here LMFAO rn!! So no need to do that also your numbers are wrong where are you getting your facts? I have notecards ope with facts for my debate what are you using quora? So confused here's some real facts wth links so you can fact check it https://ww w. guttmac her. org/sites/default/files/pdfs/pubs/psrh/full/3711005. pdf link separated as for some fucking reason you can't post links at my level here anyway those are economics along with baby's and abortion statistics it's official and it's accurate and keep in mind that incest and known rapes are 63% less likely to be reported as they are afraid of their family members/professors also maybe being blackmailed so please keep that in mind buddy!
@SamB233 You have fallen back on isms. In newspeak, you've conceded the argument. "the mother couldn't afford the child so they go homeless" Precisely, I refer you back to my previous points of responsibility and self- accountability. Whether you realise it or not, you're now making my arguments for me."Also have to consider the fact that the baby could be deformed" We in this modern time consider our civilisation better than previous one (such as a the ancient Greeks) because we don't throw deformed children off Cliffs. You're perfectly exuding the moral bankruptcy I am talking about. Just so you understand, those children deserve love too.
I also just want to state that simeone names TraceyByrd sais "I don't care if your a kid go fucking get hit by a truck" in a private message so I am going to ask that you and the other anonymous person don't keep telling me to do die! Can't we remain civil I mean I know we're arguing and this is a debate but you can't threaten people as it makes me feel uncomfortable and I know that was these people's intent and in that regard it worked but understand that you can swear hell you can even make fun of another person's opinion if youw ant although it's rude but don't make threaten the actual person with death threats especially not about my family! Okay anonomous people shouldn't be telling me that they hope my family who are Jewish my mistake for mentioning tht earlier should have died in the holocaust! That's not funny I am serious I don't want people private messaging me that they hope me and my family die! Please thnl you sorry but had to say this as felt unsafe
British Pregnancy Advisory Service (BPAS)
www.gov.uk/.../abortion-statistics-for-england-and-wales You're definitely 15 years old. That much is evident.
No what I'm saying is tht you shouldn't tell me that my whole family should die! Also I don't mean deformed s it maybe can't walk or maybe brain issues! I mean if your baby has a lung disease and you know the baby will only last a couple of weeks maybe even days why get attacked to siomething that is only goint to die! ALso don't make fun of my age I'm a senior okay I skipped two grades and am the varsity volleyball captain and am taking a college course in economics have won a state debate championchip okay I'm not trying to brag at all despie how that seems, but I'm trying to state taht don't judge me by my age I have achieved more than you have obviosuly and I'm not trying to take away womens freedoms!!
@SamB233 Go speak to whoever that conversation was with, why on earth are you messaging me with this nonsense.
So with all due respect shut the fuck up because I'm trying to go to college and get more educated and I'm going to fix this screwed up world so I need my sleep! I will respond if you finish before I shower and get ready for bed otherwise I'll respond in the morning!!!
@SamB233 You are literally nonsensical in your replies 😆
It's not murder just because it's a living thing.If you kill a fly, is it murder? No. Heck, even if you kill animals its not murder. For it to be a murder there needs to be an actual human. And until the fetus is developed there is no human.
That's why abortion is not classed as a murder and allowed.
@JessieBellll Good point
At worst as it's in defense of your own body it is manslaughter jk!!
@JessieBellll Well, I wouldn't agree that law being past means scientific agreement, as science as well as God will tell you life begins at conception. But we shall agree to disagree there. UK law states it must be carried out during the first 24 weeks of pregnancy after two doctors have signed agreeing that the case meets certain criteria; such as risk to the physical or mental health of either the woman or the child if the pregnancy were to continue. The fact 99.9% of all abortions in the UK are underground C as being performed because of the risk to the woman's mental health exposes this nonsensical law. Stress or anxiety doesn't equate to any moral justification for ending a life.But we shall respectively disagree.
How can their be a risk to the child if the child doesn't exist?
I guess it's considered a child socially, but in reality it's not hence why they permit abortion in the first 24 weeks.
It's just sugar-coated
@JessieBellll I guess the medical profession doesn't mean "woman" when they say women either. You're now redefining the meaning of words to keep your narrative going.
Ahh I see now. You have twisted the words a bit OK.What they mean by a child is AFTER its been born. So if the child will have problems etc after it's been born. It does not say a fetus is a child before it's developed and born. Before a baby is developed its reffered to as fetus.
@JessieBellll No, I quoted you word for word the law of the land, regarding abortion up to 24 weeks. I have twisted absolutely nothing. To reassure yourself, have a look at the law and get back to me. " first 24 weeks of pregnancy after two doctors have signed agreeing that the case meets certain criteria; such as risk to the physical or mental health of either the woman or the child if the pregnancy were to continue."
@JessieBellll 1967 Abortion ActThe act states that a termination may be carried out under the following circumstances: It is undergone in a specialized clinic by a ‘registered medical practitioner.’Two doctors confirm the patients need for an abortion. The need must fit under the following legal criteria:The risk of continuing the pregnancy to the life of the pregnant woman is larger than the risk of terminating itThe permanent physical or mental state of the pregnant woman would be endangered if the pregnancy were not terminatedInjury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman would be more likely with the continuation of the pregnancy.Injury to the physical or mental health of any other children of the family would be more likely with the continuation of the pregnancy. Risk that the child would be born with a serious handicap. In an emergency to save the life of the woman or to prevent physical or mental injury of her.
They are talking about the child in future tense, as when it will be born.
But a baby be it early stages is a growing entity
It can't be considered a child because then they permit murder which can't happen.Why is abortion not classed as murder?Because its not a human child but a fetus.
It would never reach a status of Murder There has to be a law which can allow the abortion If this wasn't so then Murder would have to be Fetus grows from an early stage once the cells have done their part At this point the fetus turns to look like a life 22 weeks is very advance stage and yet abortion is still allowed Obviously they are acceptable mitigating circumstances None of this is a black or white situation but it should be policed against the number of abotions they have
Correct, it should be "My body, my choice."
Ya know you are right. There is no right or wrong - if people think throwing Jews into ovens is okay... that's good, right?
@nightdrot WTF is wrong with you I'm a Jew Well I'm an atheist born a jew and he was right it's all nurture the way you are raised, if you want to hide your sexism behind some fucked up morals then that's fine! But just shut up and let people make their own choices with their bodies! In WW2 Jews we're frequently raped and then once they had their kids they we're thrown into the Furnaces not an oven but anyways it's not Hansel and grettle they forced them to hve kids then burned them alive so wtf!!
@SamB233 Then you should know better. Just because there is no absolute agreement on what is right and wrong, does not mean that there IS no right and wrong.Moral relativism of the king you are dishing out is the worst kind of elementary school tripe and justifies all sort of crimes. You as a Jew from Germany should know better.The reason, in fact, why we have democracy is so that imperfect beings in an imperfect world can debate and come to discover the true good. AS imperfect beings we will never fully get there, but that does not mean it exists.Suffice to say, when people don't debate the good, the very bad usually wins and people like yourself get put in camps. Man does not live by himself and cannot govern himself as a law unto himself. This being the other flaw in your - ahem, and here I use the word generously - argument.Oh, and by the way, my aunt and two uncles are Polish Jews who spent time in the camps and who then lived under the Communists after that. Also, my other aunt is a German who grew up in Nazi Germany and escaped from East Germany in the late 1950s.Suffice to say, their stories are quite revealing.So what is my problem? My problem is people who should know better proffering philosophical tripe and presuming it is profound insight. When in reality, they end up justifying all sorts of crimes.
Also most pregnancies are terminated long before the fetus looks anything like your little plastic doll. At least half of all pregnancies are spontaneously aborted and unmourned.
Unmouned would be a rare occurrence I know many cases where the would be mum has Mental health problems seeing children the age of their aborted child which they have guilt or a longing to go back and undo what they have done
There are more parties involved than just the female There are fathers out there grieving for the child they could have had
Thats only if they wanted kids or if they gave a shit. Its like bitch please i can just pump another into her at will.
About the original comment to b clear not whatever tey we're spouting off!
That's very true thankyou
Ohh yeah blame the female when an ass rapes her? Sarcasm if you couldn't tell!!!
So hard these days with so many Sexual Assault Rape and Murders We can only protect them by hopefully letting them be aware of dangers My daughter had a near miss But I addressed with the parents who were friends at the time
I guess the contradiction there went over your head.
@JimboGB Only horrible men are disliking this
Your going to hell anyway so , whores these days psht
Good at least I'll be warm 🖕
I think it's better to not to have child than the child suffers.
Although that is anatomy correct but these days Women and tranny female Living in a man and obviously pre op they have the female anatomy Theefore can become pregnant
No wonder your Anonymous saying very immature statements like that one
What a direct true straightforward answer 👏🏼
Ain't that right 👏💯
That's just not true straight up!!
@SamB233 it night not be the at all times but there's a truth in it. If people stop having sex there is no need to talk about abortion.
No not at all a female might for instance have a failed contraception
... or a broken condom
Absolutely but not just rape
Yadis why do you think that bub
It’s bull but suit yourself 😂
I believe the idea is that if you're having sex you have to accept the chance of pregnancy. Therefore you should not be having sex with someone if you're not ready to accept that chance. If you read the labeling on a condom package you'll see that they "Do not completely eliminate the risks of pregnancy." Therefore you can't just say it was an accident since you should know there is always a known chance of failure. I believe rape is being categorized as more "accidental" here in the same way that someone might "accidentally" allow themselves to be attacked by a rabid dog.
@FR_Ruby Exactly. 👏🏼Some people can’t read though and don’t like what’s called “responsibility.” They are dumb enough to purposely keep doing the cause then whine like babies when they get the effect. It’s like, how stupid can you be 😂
Why do you think that has this happened to you or some one you know
That's a valid point thank you Ruby
Birth control doesn't always work and broken condoms aren't a joke your a woman why would you want to restrict your own freedoms? Personally a little confused A lot of people might feel mad about getting an abortrion but it might of if it was a teen pregnancy had a worse life if you kept it alive maybe you can't afford it why abortions are illegal some places is beyond my understanding! It's like if you get tramatized by being raped for one example case then you have to go through nine more months of torture and not even for a guy you like but for some dick who treats women like shit and your not allowed to stop that trauma? Just my opinion still understand yours
I like our rabid dog analogy! lmao! Been watching Criminal Minds if those men down below had sen what these people are actually doing and forced to go through! Maybe they woukd understand!!
@SamB233 I said rape is the exception. To answer your question about myself and restricting my “freedoms,” I’m RESPONSIBLE and not a whore. So that makes a huge difference.
@SamB233 plus I don’t need freedom to do wrong. I’d rather be responsible and do right.
Absolutely But its not as black and white even to call some a whore We don't know their backgrounds as to why their lifes have been affected to have to come to this horrific decision It's the serial aborters
@Anon You know, I have to give you credit. We disagree here but you’re the ONLY user on here so far who has gotten into a debate and remained calm, cool, and firm in your stance. I disagree with your point of view but I like you, whichever user you are. I seriously wouldn’t have thought this kind of maturity existed on GAG.
It's because I'm an old man who became wise haha What part did you disagree By the way thank you x
There are some who believe that Jesus was from the future an alien if you like Who did come to save the world and avoid the mistakes he gas witnessed
I actually gree with that if it can be prevented like try to use a condom but it should never be not allowed to get one it's not liek ohh you got pregnent let's punish you and instead of getting grounded for a week you get nine months of torture than you have to afford for two people! Now this is completelydifferent if it's rape think about it would you ever want a baby with someone who raped you fuck no!! I mean like seriously
@SamB233 Yeah it’s needed for certain situations but not as birth control, strange women are downvoting this when why would they want to use abortion as birth control, it’s a last resort, even plan B is better than that
As in what
I have the same question as him ! is being raped a decision do people sign up for that?
I completely disagree imagine the trauma that comes from rape and that baby is just reliving probably the worst day/s of your life over and over again just because based on one dick thought he was better than women! Also she may not be able to support the teen most rapes are teens 10-37 just looked that up and they might want to focus on their edgecaton how culd they at that age take care of a child most rapes are not in very wealthy areas! Also do you remember having feelings when you we're in your moms uterous it doesn't even have nerves yet it feels nothing at allit is painless look this up!!!
Waste of effort
@EyesOfGod But it is the right move if you don't want to have a baby like plain and simple would you want to be tortured for 9 months honesty imagine that always hungry! Don't say stupid stuff think about what their experiencing Do you remember from school when they would say imagine if you were in their shoes! That means their situation just so you know not sure if you know that expression not trying to be passive aggressive just not sure if you do!! But yeah especially if raped!!!
In your dreams maybe
Wait it's not a national law you know that right? just asking it's individual states lol
unfortunately it's not that black and white Certain circumstances have to be taken into account along with issues that may have to be
Wow ignorance check above same argument ith you except you wern't as harsh!!
Hey, I really didn't get what you were trying to say. I didn't wanted to offend anyone I was just stating my point.
Okay but why do you want to take away women's rights I respect your opinion kind of tbh with you now just asking
No, I don't want to take anything from anyone, I am just saying it's not the right move. I mean I don't know anybody who would say, I would like to have an abortion. It's the last resort after all.
They mightnot be able to afford good schooli maybe it's the child of an abusive boyfriend maybe rape maybe the doctors think it wil die in a couple of weeks after birth! And it will suffer if born, their are a lot of reasons to have one!
Hey, I don't know what we are arguing about, I don't want to debunk anything you are saying, it would be rather uncomfortable.But I want to ask you, look at your previous reply and tell me, in which scenario is it the baby who is coming to this world at fault. Do you think poor people should striped of their life for being poor, or should a child who's biological father goes about hurting someone should die. You are compassionate about women and I get it I am too, but your previous argument was really disappointing.
No the baby did nithng wrong I am not saying that at all But the mom shouldn't be forced to have the chid we can stop chatting if youd lieksorry if made your feel uncomfortable helping me with my debate os thanks though
I would say you are good kid, social media brings out the worst of us but you were pretty nice.