And let this page be evidence that right wingers were the Confederates. Lincoln was the liberal.
Is the Confederate Flag “southern pride”?
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Blunt truth, many who put it in everyone's face often aren't even actual southerners. I knew somebody who was Texan and for real, all the way up to being descended from confederate soldiers. I remember her as actually quite humble and open minded. Not one to wave that flag around.
Look into backgrounds of people who wave that flag like a maniac or go as far as wearing it as a dress in 2013.
1. Do they ACTUALLY have any real confederate heritage? Likely no, as that's quite rare. 2. Many who obsess over this kind of thing up the line likely just come from Europe like most or anywhere besides the former Confederate area. Facts. 3. Many do so only for attention or just to be anti PC without actually caring for real confederate or southern heritage. I'd compare them to weebs. Or drama queens. Not much besides that. 4. If you walk into a small town, let's say in the middle of Mississippi, go into a bar/diner and see a confederate flag on the wall, but not much confederate stuff besides it, (maybe a bit of a rustic southern theme here and there) then, perhaps there's legitimacy to actual relation to it, but I can nearly guarantee most at the bar/diner barely even think much of it more than general decor, not much else and are too busy with their life to give it much thought. 5. The issue is the people who obsess with it. Both sides. On one hand, to many degrees, it's a flag of betrayal to America, kind of like putting up a North Korean flag, so flack for it may be expected in modern times. If you can't understand that, well, it's on you if a brick gets thrown through the diner window, as same would hold true for a diner with a North Korean flag.
On the other hand, I am not advocating to go out and attack those with those kinds of flags, as freedom of expression must be held for all, even if we don't agree. The minute it's not available for one, it's ALL in danger. In addition, many argue the confederates came into being because of high taxes. I'm not a historical expert, so I'm not going to get into that, but instead say I am unsure. Fact of the matter is a large amount of people see the flag as representing slavery and/or betrayal to America, so anyone who likes the flag has to be ready for it, just like with the Nazi or North Korean flag.
In conclusion, this. If one really is interested in the history of confederates and such, that's fine, and usually it'll show in that there is little to no obsession, but instead fascination. If one LITERALLY has the flag EVERYWHERE and is basically a weeb, but for it, then I understand retaliation. But I would say the proper way to retaliate to it is more subtle such as wearing a dress to the same prom, but with a union jack or American flag. Maybe even send that sorta person a holiday greetings card with a picture of Ulsseys S. Grant on it so that way they can't be as mad, since it'd obviously for the lulz and very subtle. If they do get mad, that's their problem, as it's a greeting card in the end, what could they say?
If somebody posts like crazy about the right for the flag and goes nutso online for it, troll em. Put in a photoshopped pic of a the Confederate and Chinese flag together with the caption, "south shall rise again." Whoever spreads that, you'll know is a fake. And you can call them out and start some nice epic chaos. :D Clever tricks like that often work when executed right. If you want people to rethink the whole confederate flag thing or really any issue, trolling is the key. :D
Good, bad or otherwise the fact is that this flag is and will always be a part of American history as are the statues of confederate generals etc and the thinking that removing them from sight is also WRONG! IT IS HISTORY AND NOTHING CAN EVER CHANGE THAT. Would be better to leave these thing to show how a country can grow and mature.
@MacLove999 What the hell is going on in that weird mind of yours? Are you familiar with the expression, "Those who forget their history are condemned to repeat it"? Studying history is important, and it shouldn't be destroyed, because that would put you in league with those who (for example) burn books and smash statues. It would make you a barbarian.
@MacLove999 And don't give me that shit about being "racist", you little crybaby! "You're waycist, waaaaaa!" Only retards and children make that "argument".
@888theGreat Actually, for once we agree. If he had not died, the war would almost certainly have dragged on for longer, and perhaps ended in 1866 or early 67.
@MacLove999 I know history very well, it was actually one of my favorite subjects! I listen to people like you spew shit and wonder how did you ever become so ignorant!
Ugly isn't history its why hitler was removed from Germany. You want keep monsters who raped women, killed kids and burnt slaves as hero's be my guest.
@MacLove999 Your the only one using the words "HERO" the actual words to be using would be "Actual Facts of What the Past Was" which is what has got us to where we are today by slowly correcting what we now see as wrong. I know I want all three of my biracial children to know how it was like for both my husbands past and my past. Nothing that happened in the USA could never be compared to what Adolf Hitler was doing, and speaking that you don't see the Jewish population trying to hide those days, you actually see them making museums so the future generations can see and learn what it was all about.
@katiesmuff taking millions of slaves for hundreds of years is not worse then 10 years of hitler rule? you're kidding right? Wow am glad you didn't write history. Ooh i guess because you find what only happens to white people only is considered history. Not the Chinese or natives or slaved being blown to smitherines by bombs in mining coles. That was just fun for the millions of chinese labors who came to build roads and train tracks, right? Obama at least recognized it as massacre. Gave china an apology. Why would he do that if he knew they didn't do wrong?
I think the backwards southerners do consider it that way, yeah. But others prefer to take pride in the peaches, cooking, countryside, hospitality, Civil Rights history, and landmarks.
Nothing wrong with a flag. It doesn't shoot people. It is Northern Liberals making it mean something it doesn't . Hysterical liberals. It was the flag of Democrats , but I don't have a problem with it.
I think it's just a little bit of pride it has no value to any one out side the us other that a war and the south lost the sooner they take the loss and get on with helping the USA being great again the better to us outside,
I just find it comical that self proclaimed “patriots” claim that a flag that represents treason against the country that they say they love is their “heritage”
Lincoln was the the treasonous rat. Ever heard of habias corpus?
Or even starting a war that killed 600k people over a constitutional right the founding fathers supported? (Yes they supported the rights of states to leave, and also slavery for that matter)
Yes it is. And don’t use the whole Swastika argument. Because no other flag exists to represent the American South, which is a culturally unique and distinct region.
At the bottom line what matters is goods and services, money are just numbers on papers. So I'm in favor of what people consent to, and makes sense to avoid overworking in order to maximize productivity. (specially since, the more complex the work, the more it depends on complex tools that wear out or could otherwise be better used.)
But do you understand that essentially people are paid for "productivity" through other people's "productivity"? Nobody in "paid vacations" is being paid to be on vacation, they just weren't paid it all before such vacations and/or won't receive it all latter.
Wanna know who paid for those vacations? Slave owners. Wanna know what was the product they were buying? An indoctrinated electorate.
No, depending on the job, mandatory guilds. Seriously, did you study any of this? And actually, if I'm not mistaken, the US already started with anti-child labor laws, inherited from britain.
One of the funniest shit is how those laws came to be. Long story short, karens. Which shows anything can have it's use.
