Ever wonder why USA hospitals are overcrowded? Mr. Dore explains in less than 1 minute, interested?

[Juxtapose]

[msc545]

This guy is right about profit-based Healthcare. Hospitals are not to help sick people directly that is just a side-effect hospitals exist to make profits. In the United States profits are more important than people and always have been.

[Fuentes]

Its just one big joke just like the Chicago Mayor firing cops and then asking for Federal intervention when crime sparks back up lolol!

[NYCQuestions1976]

Or President Biden canceling the Keystone XL Pipeline and slowing the production of domestic energy, but then asking the OPEC nations to produce more energy for us to lower prices just months later.

[Fuentes]

@NYCQuestions1976 lol fire the workers but ask for more perks like what world do we live in? Left are a circus haha!

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Fuentes Obviously I disagree with those decisions that Biden made, but it's the hypocrisy that really kills me. Stick to your damn guns! As President, you want to cut back on producing domestic energy because you believe in green energy sooner rather than later? Fine. Right or wrong, that's your decision to make, and what you believe in... but you can't then turn around just months later and ask OPEC for more non-green energy because your policy and decisions made prices go higher, which in turn contributed to your poll numbers tanking!

Now to be fair, I did say that if President Biden managed to get national infrastructure passed, I'd give him credit, which I did here:

The National Infrastructure Bill Finally Passes, And Without The Socialism "Build Back Better" Nonsense! How Great Is This For The United States? ↗

However, the rest of his administration to this point has been underwhelming at best.

[Fuentes]

@NYCQuestions1976 yeah he just needs to get down and outta office nobody wants him there lol

[CrazyGirl2]

I don’t know who this is, but on this point, he’s wrong! My mom is a trauma surgeon and the head of emergency medicine at a large metropolitan hospital in Florida. The biggest reason by far, and I mean major reason is the federal vaccine mandate for health care workers! In many departments at my moms hospital, and yes that includes the ICU, they have fired as many as 50% of health care providers, because they don’t want the vaccine, and object to medically illiterate politicians dictating what drugs they have to put in their bodies. (Their words!)
I guess the thing to understand here is who exactly have been fired: Highly experienced nurses, respiratory therapists, & EMT’s who all worked 12 to 18hrs a day during the (very hectic) first year of Covid (2020), without a vaccine, and in many cases, when it ran out, no PPE either! This resulted in them acquiring Covid-19 themselves, and resulted in staffing problems back then. Fast forward to today and the medical staff at these hospitals are the most experienced, most knowledgeable, battle-tested medical professionals of any viral outbreak, anywhere on earth… and they are getting fired because although they ALL have very high antibody counts, they’re just not the TYPE of antibody’s the federal government has decided to recognize for THIS mandate, natural immunity!
For an essay I interviewed some medical staff at mom’s hospital. One RN told me the following “We have all been here since the beginning of the outbreak. We were the ones you saw wearing garbage bags and welding masks. We’ve seen it all and we’ve done it all. Every ridiculous law, edict, and policy issued to us by people without any medical training, not so much as a CPR card, and they are telling nurses and doctors what we have to do medically to stay safe, and protect patients. Amazingly, even though we followed their ridiculous uneducated rules, we STILL all got Covid! Now, a year and a half later medical staff and administrators, like you’re mom, have ruled that as long as our weekly titers are ok, and our antibody count is sufficient to protect us from infection, we don’t need the vaccine!” Well that all ended with the mandate, and that RN was fired!
Hospital’s operate under strict oversight by State and Federal regulatory agencies and laws. The regulation that is causing the problem of overcrowded emergency rooms, cancelled surgeries and long waits for basic procedures is the staffing regulation that mandates the amount of nurses required for the number of patients a hospital has! So if you loose 50% of your nurses, as a hospital, you are going to have to cut available beds by 50%, and that includes the ICU, and THAT is causing the current issues!
This is an extremely important issue, it’s life or death for anyone who is helicopter’ed to a hospital, where half the trauma center’s s medical staff have just been fired!

[Juxtapose]

Yeah, this sabotage of hospitals seems almost intentional don't you think?

[CrazyGirl2]

I’m too much of a realist to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole. If you have ever worked in government, or know someone who has, you’ll understand that almost everything that has been attributed to some “evil master plan” Is just pure unadulterated INCOMPETENCE!

[VanillaSalt]

Never contribute to malice what you can contribute to ignorance… the problem is Jesus Christ can ANYONE be this dumb?

[CrazyGirl2]

@VanillaSalt 💯% agree! Imagine, during a pandemic you put in an order that results in upwards of 50% of you medical staff getting fired, and asshole shills in the media instead of screaming at the top of their lungs…”They are doctors and nurses, they are the ones who know this shit, maybe there is something wrong with the vaccine that doesn't stop you from catching the virus unless everyone wears a mask, and stays 6ft apart like before the vaccine! And the nurses know this, so they dont want it? But nope, they just come on and lie, saying its because of who owns the hospitals!

[VikingWarLord]

This whole thing is a scam, look up EVENT 201

[CrazyGirl2]

@VikingWarLord No,

[VikingWarLord]

YES! Matter of fact you have a lot of research to do Below

1. The Rockefeller Doc, "Scenarios for Future Technology and International Development - Pandemic Simulation" (2010)

2. SPARS Pandemic Simulation (Oct. 2017)

3. CLADE-X (May 15, 2018)

4. Crimson Contagion (January 2019)

5. Event 201 (October 18, 2019)

by the way, from Clade-X (May 15, 2018) to the day WHO declared Global Pandemic (March 11, 2020), there are "666" Days in between.

From the day Trump made his "CALM BEFORE THE STORM" comment on October 5, 2017 up to the day WHO declared Global Pandemic (March 11, 2020) there are "888" Days in between.

[CrazyGirl2]

@VikingWarLord Huh 🤔 a man who literally doesn’t give a shit when a woman says no? Never seen anything like that before. Well now I’m just too stunned, shocked, and surprised to read that stuff! You gotta understand, my fragile lady-brain can only handle so much before I get an attack of the “vapor’s”!

[goaded]

I was going to say: "Not really, he's just yet another one who's worked out that he can make more money pandering to right-wingers than telling the truth.", but he's actually right about profit-based health care. Dare I watch past the first minute?

Unvaccinated people, as a group, have (mostly) chosen to take up 20 times as many hospital or ICU beds as people their age who chose to get vaccinated. Alcoholics and smokers, etc. take up more than their fair share of beds, no doubt, but by such a large margin? I doubt it.

What he's refusing to accept is that the question is not "do these people deserve an ICU bed", they all do. Since the situation is that they're not all going to get one, maybe you should prioritise someone who was run down by a car or had a heart attack over someone who decided they weren't going to get sick during a years-long pandemic and chose not to do the bare minimum to protect themselves. In practice, though, aiui, beds are given to the people who are most likely to survive and live the longest.

Delta wave.

2017/18 flu season he talks about was the worst year for flu for a decade, 61,000 deaths. This year and last year were the best, because people were avoiding viruses.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
Hospitals could cope with all the other years, with half a million or fewer hospitalisations, 2017/18 had 810,000, which looks like about twice the average.

[Juxtapose]

Or maybe it's time they are forced to put up more beds rather than treating the unvaccinated like dirty pariahs when smokers and people who eat 10 Big Macs a day are not said a word to?

[Juxtapose]

78% of USA citizens hospitalized are overweight.

[Juxtapose]

"Hospitals could cope with all the other years, with half a million or fewer hospitalisations,*

The lack of redundancy in hospitals is inexcusable.

[goaded]

"78% of USA citizens hospitalized are overweight."
LMAO! Over 70% of Americans are overweight, so it doesn't make much difference!

upload.wikimedia.org/.../..._United_States.svg.png
upload.wikimedia.org/.../..._United_States.svg.png

[NYCQuestions1976]

This afternoon on news radio (WCBS 880 New York), they had a report that Omicron has increased worldwide, but hospitalizations and deaths are down. It's a weaker strain.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 It is. But that's being made up for in sheer numbers of infections. Deaths are at about 2,000 a day again in the US, which is higher than during the Delta wave. 800,000 infections a day is far higher than the delta peak of 166,000.

75% of the country still hasn't caught the virus.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Are those numbers deaths from Covid directly? Or does it also include deaths from a myriad of "complications"? The CDC and others are finally under the microscope for blurring the lines between the differences.

Also, Europe has surpassed the United States when it comes to being overweight (mostly thanks to the United Kingdom). However, we still own the corner market on morbid obesity.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 I think they're deaths that wouldn't have happened if the victims hadn't caught covid. The numbers of deaths from other common maladies didn't change that much.

Total number of deaths in
2017: 2,813,503
2018: 2,839,205
2019: 2,854,838
2020: 3,383,729.

Number of deaths for leading causes of death 2020 (2016):
Heart disease: 696,962 (635,260)
Cancer: 602,350 (598,038)
COVID-19: 350,831 (0)
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 200,955 (161,374)
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 160,264 (142,142)
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 152,657 (154,596)
Alzheimer’s disease: 134,242 (116,103)
Diabetes: 102,188 (80,058)
Influenza and pneumonia: 53,544 (51,537)
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 52,547 (50,046)

www.cdc.gov/.../leading-causes-of-death.htm
web.archive.org/.../deaths.htm

I don't think that's right about obesity in Europe, unless things have changed a lot in 5 years.

ourworldindata.org/.../...lts-defined-as-obese.svg
ourworldindata.org/.../...verweight_v6_850x600.svg

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded You're sort of making my point and @Juxtapose for us. I agree that Covid is that extra "thumb on the scale" for the unhealthy, especially the obese. My other point is, if you're an otherwise healthy person, Covid is almost always not a death sentence... even more so now as the virus gets weaker as it mutates.

There's a difference between being overweight and being obese. Europeans have passed the United States in being overweight, but we still have the obesity crown (if you're going to be fat, you might as well be FAT). Technically (and ridiculously), body builders qualify as being overweight. I'm technically "overweight" because I'm between 5 to 10 pounds above the "height/weight/build" chart (equally ridiculous), but my annual physical numbers are perfect every year.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 I really don't think I am making your point (what is that, exactly?) The unhealthy are dying at the same rate they always have, but now there's another 10-15% dying of covid.

You still haven't shown me a study that says Delta was less deadly than the earlier variants. There are plenty that show it was far more contagious, so likely to kill more people, just as omicron is now back up to 2,000 a day in the US.

Finally, the second image was percentage of adults who were "overweight or obese", and clearly showed Europe with lower percentages than the US. Or are you suggesting that we should exclude obese and extremely obese from the numbers of overweight?

ourworldindata.org/.../...verweight_v6_850x600.svg

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded There's been more spreading and less death each time the virus mutates. It's a form of Darwinism. The virus trades off its primary effectiveness (ability to kill) for easier transmissibility (ability to survive). If viruses mutated the way you're suggesting (transmissibility AND effectiveness increasing with each mutation), all life would die off, and rather quickly.

Besides being nearly 6 years old, that map is very misleading. There's a big difference between being overweight and obese. Weightlifters and athletes, as examples, are overweight from muscle mass. It's silly to include them with people who are 400 pounds and diabetic.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 "If viruses mutated the way you're suggesting (transmissibility AND effectiveness increasing with each mutation)"
Firstly, that is most definitely NOT what I have been saying. You're saying they *can't* increase in both, I'm saying they *can*, not that they always will. Delta was most definitely more transmissible than the earlier variants, I've not seen anything that shows it was significantly more or less deadly if you caught it while unvaccinated.

Secondly, you're ignoring the effect of vaccines on the waves since summer 2021. Half the population being protected from infection and dying *will* affect the overall death rate.

Peak daily infections, Jan 2021: 250,000, Sep 2021: 165,000, Jan 2022: 800,000.
Peak deaths: 3,500 (no vaccines), 2,000 (Delta, 54% vaccinated), 2,000 (Delta/Omicron, 63% vaccinated).

You think weightlifters and athletes make up a significantly larger proportion of high BMI people in the US than Europe? Like 10 or 20% of the population? I doubt it.

If you think the map is wrong, show me a different source that proves it.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Covid is becoming more transmissible, but less deadly the more it mutates. Even this new sub-Omicron supports what I've been stating.

So far this is the most recent information and map I can find for either the United States or Europe. It's still 3 years ago (2019), it's only the Union Of European Socialist Republics, and it also doesn't separate "overnight" from "obesity", which is still ridiculous:

ec.europa.eu/.../index.php

I'm still searching for something more recent, includes both the United States and Europe, and separates "overweight" from "obesity". In the meantime, who knew there were so many fatsos in Croatia and Malta?

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 You keep saying "Covid is becoming more transmissible, but less deadly the more it mutates", but you've yet to show it. Delta might well have been both, at least to the unvaccinated.

I don't see a single number in the 70%+ range in your map, do you? I see two places at 65% (including one tiny island), and the rest at 60% or less.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Less people are dying from Covid the more it mutates. The infection rates are going up, and the death rates are going down. That's factual reality. Anything else is fear mongering propaganda.

I already wrote that the map isn't recent (2019) and it doesn't include the United Kingdom, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, the remaining ex-Yugoslavia nations, and the western portion of the Diet Soviet Union. I don't sit in front of a computer screen all day posting "information" from Wikipedia.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Delta, as I said many times before and you've not shown otherwise, was both more transmissable and possibly more deadly than the previous variants. If Delta killed half as many people per infection, but more than half of the people were vaccinated, that's still about as deadly to unvaccinated people as Alpha.

OK, if I say we're all fat in Europe, too (although I refer to the EU and a couple of other countries as Europe, not the former USSR), will you admit that "78% of USA citizens hospitalized are overweight." doesn't mean a thing, if 74% of USA citizens are overweight?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded The Delta variant didn't kill more than original Covid. People were already getting vaccinated prior to Delta existing. Next you'll be pedaling that Omicron is the worst virus in the history of viruses. Stop trying to rewrite history and science, and living your life in fear.

The vast majority of those hospitalized with Covid (any variation) in the United States are obese, not just simply overweight.

Covid, and all its variations, have been, and continue to be, with very few exceptions, a disease of those with underlying health issues, those who are obese, and those who are chronically unhealthy.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 So what if the people who die have underlying health conditions, does that give you the right to spread the disease that can kill them?

Maybe you should read what you wrote again, maybe mentally insert the word "because" in place of the first full stop:
"The Delta variant didn't kill more than original Covid. People were already getting vaccinated prior to Delta existing."

Without the vaccines it would have killed more, which means it was at least as dangerous to the unvaccinated.

I've never said Omicron is the worst virus in the history of viruses, or anything like it. I'm just saying you're wrong to insist that all variants get less deadly.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded I'm vaccinated, and take common sense (non-paranoid) precautions if/when it's necessary. I'm not spreading any variant or killing anyone.

The CDC and Fauci (who has waffled with his information and advice far more than Eggo) have said numerous times that the Delta variant was less severe than the original strain. The mutations continue to spread easier and also continue to become less deadly.

There is no "because". Delta has killed less unvaccinated than the original strain. In the few breakthrough cases that have been severe, Delta has killed less vaccinated than the original strain. It's a weaker strain, period. Omicron is weaker yet. Same goes for sub-Omicron, and so on. If the opposite was the case, then the vaccination would only be delaying the ultimate inevitable conclusion.

Stop promoting unnecessary fear and living in paranoia.

[Juxtapose]

@NYCQuestions1976 "Stop promoting unnecessary fear and living in paranoia."

I don't know if that is possible for him, he is convinced that this is some kind of death plague.

[Juxtapose]

And that the government is perfectly trustworthy while people who question the government such as Dr Robert Malone are somehow nefarious.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Juxtapose Yeah it makes no sense. People keep saying, "Follow the science!" Yes, we should follow the science. Well it completely defies science to believe that viruses get stronger the more they mutate.

[Juxtapose]

@NYCQuestions1976 and it is also completely against science to silence all opposition or make up lies to undermine your opposition.

Remember the LIE of infermectin and how it was supposedly only good as horse dewormer?

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Here's what the CDC was saying in August 2021, if you can find something newer, let me know. If, in the meantime, you both would like to stop pretending I'm saying things that I'm not, that'd be nice.

"Some data suggest the Delta variant might cause more severe illness than previous variants in unvaccinated people. In two different studies from Canada and Scotland, patients infected with the Delta variant were more likely to be hospitalized than patients infected with Alpha or the original virus that causes COVID-19. Even so, the vast majority of hospitalization and death caused by COVID-19 are in unvaccinated people."
www.cdc.gov/.../delta-variant.html

thehill.com/.../558372-delta-variant-increases-risk-in-hospitalizations
"Aug. 30, 2021 -- People who contract the Delta variant have double the risk of hospitalization, as compared with earlier versions of the coronavirus, according to a new study published Friday in The Lancet Infectious Diseases."

Here's the Lancet:
"This large national study found a higher hospital admission or emergency care attendance risk for patients with COVID-19 infected with the delta variant compared with the alpha variant."
www.thelancet.com/.../fulltext

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Juxtapose Yes. I don't know if there's any specific benefits to using infermectin to treat Covid symptoms, but the bottom line is this: If someone's personal doctor prescribes a medication for that specific person to take, that's between that person and that doctor only, who knows that person and that person's medical history.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded So you're going to hitch your argument to "some data might suggest"? 🤔

Viruses don't strengthen when they mutate to survive. Otherwise life on earth would rapidly cease to exist no matter what science did.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 I'll hitch my argument to at least three separate studies that found Delta was more deadly as well as more transmissible than its predecessors. Especially compared to your reliance on thinking you remember Fauci saying the opposite once.

Of course viruses can't always get less deadly as they mutate, otherwise they'd rapidly cease to exist no matter what science did.

And, just to anticipate your confusion: saying something sometimes happens is not the same as saying it always happens.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Those studies have been proven wrong, because less unvaccinated people and less vaccinated people have died from the Delta variant compared to the original strain.

Just to anticipate your confusion: Stating that "some studies might suggest something sometimes may happen occasionally" is not the same as something actually happening. The results show the virus weakens as it mutates.

You just want to continue to live in irrational fear for no valid reasons, and take as many gullible people with you.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah life on Earth would not be possible if viruses did not mutate the way they do. Imagine if the original Spanish flu just got stronger and stronger, it would have wiped us all out if it was transmissible enough.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 For God's sake, if mutations always made viruses weaker, there wouldn't be any viral illnesses, would there?

IF Delta is less individually deadly than Alpha (which will only be marginally true), and Omicron (which didn't come from Delta, and is killing thousands a day, by the way) certainly is, that doesn't mean the next one will be.

[goaded]

Just imagine, if flu always got weaker and weaker, there wouldn't be any flu any more.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Yes there would be, because there are countless different unrelated strains of viruses. Some don't mutate as quickly, and some are more stable and don't ever really mutate at all.

Omicron did come from Delta, and is weaker than Delta. It's a copy of a copy.

[Juxtapose]

Man the pro and anti mandate crowds can't agree on anything! How are we supposed to be united like this? We don't stand a chance against the oligarchy as we are.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 "Omicron did come from Delta, and is weaker than Delta. It's a copy of a copy." Is there any fact on this subject you are willing to accept?



@Juxtapose Accepting the existance of facts would be a good start.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Where do you find this nonsensical gibberish? Do you even think about what you're accepting as fact? Follow the little grey line. So Omicron mutated from original Covid in early/mid 2020, but didn't infect anyone (or at least went totally undetected) until late 2021/early 2022? Just stop.

@Juxtapose We'll be fine. Most people have general everyday things in common. I believe in vaccinations and support getting vaccinated... just not by draconian mandates. I'm sure @goaded will be just fine also. He's hiding under his bed in full blown paranoia like a good little minion.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Not a single fact will enter your brain, will it? Unsupported assertions are all you need in life.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Then explain what Omicron was doing from the time it supposedly mutated in mid 2020 until it was first detected in late 2021. Don't bother trying "It was undetected.", because that's bullshit. Every scientist and medical professional on the damn planet has their radar up for Covid ever since this pandemic started. Meanwhile you seriously believe that some variant was maneuvering throughout the atmosphere for over a year without infecting anyone and/or infecting people, but going completely undetected by everyone, everywhere? Again, just stop.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Oh, good. Argument from incredulity. How about you explain how a descendant of Delta could not only have produced multiple mutations in common with Alpha (which is also a cousin of Delta), but also *undone* half the mutations from the common ancestor that make Delta Delta?

https://covariants.org/shared-mutations

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded No, it's an argument from common sense, and a legitimate question. To believe what you're peddling, I'd have to believe that every scientist, doctor, and medical professional on the planet are all morons. No.

The Omicron strain is a weaker copy of a weaker copy.

Explain why parts of the virus are missing? That's why they're called mutations. Or are you suggesting deliberate engineering?

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 That's funny, because you don't seem to have any problem saying all the people who worked out where Omicron came from are wrong. Or is that just because I'm the one telling you (and linking to sources)?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Who's "all the people"? A handful of people from Switzerland "figured out" something supposedly happened well over a year ago, while the entire scientific community on the planet has been on high alert for just such a thing since the beginning of the pandemic and they all noticed nothing for all of that time? Also, where are all of the supposed Omicron cases from that time period? Or did the strain simply infect no one for well over a year? You need to stop with the paranoia.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 All the doctors and scientists who actually understand what they're doing and you're saying are wrong because you can't admit being wrong yourself.

It's been sequenced many times by many people worldwide and nobody says Omicron is a decendant of Delta.

Do you think they sequence every test sample? No. It would be easy for multiple generations of virus that infect moderate numbers of people to slip through the net until one final mutation breaks out as Omicron. Especially somewhere like Africa.

upload.wikimedia.org/.../...e_tree_2021-Dec-01.svg

[Juxtapose]

Well maybe let the people who know what they're talking about speak instead of canceling or smearing them.. like Dr Robert Malone.

[goaded]

Does he know what he's talking about? Really? His peers don't think so. The only other people saying "you can't vaccinate yourself out of a pandemic" are people that are also saying "... unless vaccinations are evenly spread around the world".

One guy agrees with you, that's awesome, but scientists sequencing the virus are "A handful of people from Switzerland".

Anti-vaxxers: Please don’t make this guy your Messiah, ok? ↗

[Juxtapose]

Yeah, he does and the people talking smack about him are financially motivated to do so.

Biden's strategy of vaccinating in the middle of a pandemic is a disaster and I can explain why. ↗

[goaded]

I responded to that question there, and you gave joeldalton MHO on it, which says a lot.

Omicron and Delta did not come from highly vaccinated countries. (And Omicron did not come from Delta.)

[Juxtapose]

joeldalton understands that we should follow medical experts and not lock down like crazy while also forcing vaccines on people in draconian ways.

Like the actual scientists said, max vaccination is counterproductive and will not stop the pandemic.

[Juxtapose]

"And they actively fight against proven theraputics. This crap could have been over if every American was sent a packet with vitamin D, C, Zinc, quercitin, and ivermectin pills. With the instructions to take them at the first sign of symptoms."

I mean, is he wrong? We all know preventative medicines were suppressed so big pharma could make big bucks off of their max vaccination strategy.

[goaded]

No medical experts think that dosing people with "vitamin D, C, Zinc, quercitin, and ivermectin pills" would be anything like as effective as the vaccines, or much more effective than painting yourself yellow and standing on one leg. (Quercitin, in particular interferes with other medicines in unknown ways.)

And the only "crazy" about lockdowns in 2022 are the people who think they're still happening.

"Like the actual scientists said, max vaccination is counterproductive and will not stop the pandemic."
Scientists, plural? Who's the other one?

"We all know...". Ah, the modern version of "Once upon a time...".
It's not like the suppliments aren't manufactured by huge companies, either.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah we're not being locked down because Biden's bullshit is being shut the fuck down by the supreme court.

The other scientist is listed in the Maytake.

Why do you think preventative measures have been suppressed?

[goaded]

No, you're not being locked down because there are vaccinations, and treatments have massively improved since early 2020, when the last proper lockdowns occurred (under Donald Trump, in case you forgot).

"The other scientist is listed in the Maytake [sic]." You mean his wife? I was joking when I suggested it was just two scientists, but it seems to be the case.

"Why do you think preventative measures have been suppressed? "
Why do you think they have?

What benefits have those listed been shown to provide? Does anyone at all think they reduce the chances of hospitalisation and death at anything like the effectiveness of the vaccines, other than the Howard Dean Award winners?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded You still haven't provided a valid response to a reasonable question: If Omicron mutated directly from the original Covid strain in mid 2020 (as you seem to believe it did) and not from Delta at the end 2021, then why did no doctor, virologist, scientist, and/or medical professional anywhere on the planet realize it existed until the end of 2021? Especially since everyone on the planet already had a heightened awareness to look for mutations because of the pandemic? We're not talking about a few days difference, or weeks, or even a month or two difference. The difference is about 18 months. It just doesn't pass the common sense test.

You clearly just want to latch on to the most doomsday theories possible so you can justify to yourself and others hiding under your bed and living in extreme paranoia.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 It's not a reasonable question, because how would I be expected to know the answer? That said, I already gave you a reasonable answer, go back and look.

It's not me that "seem[s] to believe it did", it's multiple scientists from different places who sequenced the genome and whose job it is to understand these things. A much more reasonable question is why do you think they're wrong and your baseless assertions are right?

Remember: argument from incredulity is a fallacy.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Baseless assertions? It was YOU who posted that chart. I just read it and asked a reasonable question (and it is most CERTAINLY worth asking). You seem to be satisfied with whatever nonsense you can manage to dig up that fits into your paranoid parameters.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Yes, baseless. You are the one insisting that Omicron evolved from Delta, and I'm showing you scientists say it didn't. Just because you can't imagine a route for a variant to evolve without being noticed doesn't mean it didn't happen. It's not my fault you can't admit error.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Did you even bother to really read the chart? It's scientifically absurd, with zero explanation about what I brought up. Or did you just go "Ooh paranoia! It MuSt Be TrUe!" like you always do?

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 "Did you even bother to really read..." That's possibly the funniest thing you've said so far, considering you don't have a single hint of evidence than Omicron came from Delta. Why don't you find some, or admit you're wrong?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded You're nuts. You'll believe any paranoia that validates hiding under your bed like a coward. Nowhere in that crap that you posted does it explain the 18 month latency from the supposed mutation to the point of discovery. You don't care to investigate or even ask why, because it would undermine your fear propaganda.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 You believe your assertion that Omicron descended from Delta, when scientists around the world say you're wrong, either because I'm the messenger, or you simply can't admit being wrong.

Omicron wasn't a single mutation, it was many, and only half of them are the same as Delta's. Not all of them would have happened at the same time, and they could easily have been missed as they occurred spread out over those 18 months. It's not paranoia to understand that things are more complicated than you think they are.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What "scientists around the world"? It's a handful of scientists in Switzerland from that link you posted.

There's one uninterrupted grey line on that chart. Not many uninterrupted grey lines. Just one uninterrupted grey line. Spread over 18 months. That's not trivial latency. Yet they offer no reason (s) or explanation (s) as to why. Not even one. That's scientifically unacceptable.

You can believe them if you want... but you're doing it out of fear and paranoia.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Of course you ignored that the other image came from a different source. How do you know "they offer no reason (s) or explanation (s) as to why"? Have you searched for one? Or would you rather ignore their conclusions in favour of your baseless assertion that Omicron came from Delta, even though that would involve three Delta mutations mutating back to what it was in an earlier virus. How likely do you think that is? Just admit you're wrong and be done with it.

Anyway, here are three possible explanations of how it evolved, including explanations as to why they might have been missed:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00215-2

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded After reading that, I concluded the following:

"Too many mutations for just one person. That person would be really sick." That section of the article makes sense, and supports your assumptions. Plus that would require the one very sick person to be carrying it for all that time. Impossible. So that definitely does pass the common sense test.

Then it went sideways...

"It could've been in many different animals in Africa and North America before being detected.", "We just missed it." and "Outside the scope of research." That's too many variables and guesswork, and might actually suggest that researchers aren't researching properly? During a time when this is the primary focus? That seems sloppy, and doesn't help build confidence in the medical research community, or their conclusions to this point.

Maybe I'll be paranoid now.

No not really. Omicron came from Delta, until someone can prove beyond reasonable doubt otherwise. "We just missed it." doesn't count as beyond reasonable doubt.

[Juxtapose]

Fun fact: the CDC is compromised by big pharma. It is called regulatory capture.

[goaded]

"No not really. Omicron came from Delta, until someone can prove beyond reasonable doubt otherwise. "We just missed it." doesn't count as beyond reasonable doubt. "

Nor, apparently, does the fact that three mutations would have had to have UNDONE themselves while evolving from Delta to Omicron. This does not happen. It's not just reasonable doubt, it's proof that it didn't happen.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded It also says right in the article "whichever idea a researcher favours 'often comes down to GUT FEELING rather than any sort of principled argument'” along with "We just missed it." These answers are not good enough, thus reasonable doubt and a valid question.

Meanwhile elsewhere in Europe, Finland, Denmark, United Kingdom, and Ireland are all dropping (or have already dropped) their Covid restrictions. Time for you to climb out from under the bed and live your life.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Still pretending you know the sightest thing about my life? You're totally wrong about that, too.

There are three reasonable alternatives in that article, any one (or a combination) might be true. What it doesn't say is that it evolved from Delta, as you keep claiming despite the evidence against it.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What difference does it make whether or not this article claims anything? It's cites, "we don't know" (overall ad lib), "we just missed it", and "gut feeling". Not good enough to scientifically prove or disprove anything.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Ah. Perhaps you should address the rest of my comment? The part where, were Delta an ancestor of Omicron, it would have had to unmutate three times.

They don't have to make an argument about them only being cousins because that's an fact established by the different mutations.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Based on whose theory/theories and research? The same people claiming "we missed it" and "gut feeling"?

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 No.

[Anonymous]

Captialism just doesn't work, at all, I dont think there is any field in which it works; healthcare is just the most obvious one and it should be clear to everyone that there is a serious conflict of interest between providing service and the profit motive.
Insurance is the same, it simply doesn't function properly.

I much prefer Russel Brands take on the subject, he is a little more diplomatic ;)

https://www.youtube.com/embed/cjaSgwhPx-k

[Juxtapose]

Well what do we have to replace capitalism with? As far as I know there's no economic system better than capitalism and I fully acknowledge capitalism is deeply flawed.

[Opinion Owner]

Well, personally I would suggest that we take what we know of the advantages of capitalism and communism and combine them in a way which harnesses the benefits of each idea.

Right now what we do is combine them in a way which gives us the worst of all worlds, we have a huge polarisation of wealth and power and businesses which are 'too big to fail' or rather too big to be allowed to fail, so they will get bailed out by the tax payer etc.

I have no doubt that whatever i suggest there will be some better idea out there or some refinement which could improve upon it but as a sort of broad outline I would suggest:

That the means of production are collectively owned so that instead of the profits of big business going into the pockets of a small number of people who then use that wealth to manipulate and control politics etc it is instead the source of tax revenue needed to support activies which are good for people and or the environment etc but which are not financially viable as a business.

It is clearly extremely important to reward individual ability and creativity etc inorder for us to develop new technologies, products and services so I think anybody should be able to bring new products to market with the support of our collective resources and knowledge. Right now it is only the ideas of people who have the resources to develop something themselves or companies who are already established which have any chance of getting off the ground and a lot of the same work is being done many times over in different competing companies who have to keep their trade secrets. Clearly we would advance more quickly if we able to share the things that we learn.

[Opinion Owner]

Competition and freedom in development is necessary not just because it is important for different people or teams of people to go their own way and have their own vision or style etc but also to ensure that we aren't fooling ourselves and this can be achieved through actual competition, such as is found in motorsport or bricklayer championships etc and through something like a state owned businesses, if that makes sense? Just because something is owned by the state does not mean it must be run by the state directly in a comand economy etc. So long as individuals or groups are able to profit from their work proportionately to their efforts and achievements etc there is really no requirement for that to be under the umbrella of privately own business.

The hope is that with such a system the products and services available would take on a life similar to that of language where there is constant and completely free advancement, some thing will be very popular, others more niche or cultural etc and ultimately things will fall out of usage when no one wants them anymore.

[NYCQuestions1976]

There are no benefits to communism. As @Juxtapose stated, capitalism has its issues, but it has the important element of personal initiative.

[Opinion Owner]

@NYCQuestions1976 Fuck off moron.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Guffrus Unfortunately I see that you're a moronic drooling balloon-headed fool incapable of an actual conversation. Good luck with that bowl of oatmeal in your head. 👍

[Aerissa_Jade]

In Rural America many were forced to shut down due to the ACA, at least I know that is part of the problem. More population less hospitals.

The government insurance programs, Medicaid/Medicare also do not pay enough, many doctors and dentists have either stopped accepting it altogether or limit number of patients using that per day so they do not go in the red each day. Examples like 30% of daily patients on those, otherwise we say we are full and push them to the next day. Those that keep accepting it eventually shut down if they go too far in the red.

I get daily questions on this for my job, how to block or limit based on specific insurance plans and many hospitals have shut down due to going in the red in rural America.

[Wester1967]

This is what all your "Choose your own doctor" and your fkn "death panels" got you. Keep freebasing that Republican vomit points BS. I've seen more gullible republicans go absolutely broke in their precious for profit capitalist health care system. Y'all are suckers and you deserve to be licked.

I got better healthcare in countries like Colombia and Thailand than I will ever get in the psycho predatory USA

[VanillaSalt]

I could explain we have better care for cancer and other such illnesses then other countries and explain is thanks to America we have treatments at all for them but your too stupid and close-minded to learn so… yeaaaaahhh you’re so right you little window licker.

[Wester1967]

@VanillaSalt That's utter rubbish and you know it. You've never been out side your playpen. Stop smoking your own belly button lint and spewing rationalizations to make up for your ridiculously bad choice. Stop complaining dudebro and just open your wallet and pay through the nose. You fkn masochist.

[VanillaSalt]

Like I said your a fucking idiot. I’m just the only person nice enough to tell you. Bye fool.

[Browneye57]

The funny thing about hospitals and that they are to capacity - that's just how hospitals run. The expand and contract as needed - they don't just have empty beds lying around waiting for people. They run lean and mean. But MSM just keeps on with the fear-porn, don't they. FAIL We're onto them. Fukkin liars.

[Oigit]

So here is an idea. How about everyone that thinks covid isn't a big deal and does not want to get vaccinated has a covid party. Just like a chickenpox party, you all meet up with people that have covid for the purpose of getting covid yourself. It would be nice to see more people who believe in the joke that is politics put their money where their mouth is.

[Juxtapose]

Eh, it would be more productive than whatever Biden is planning.

[Oigit]

What would be more productive is for both sides of the debate to stop fighting like a bunch of children. Because at this point both sides sound like toddlers arguing over who's daddy is better.

[VanillaSalt]

Covid response in the states is the equivalent of nuking a mugging… I’ve had covid. The original variant. The flu I had last week whooped my ass 100x more effectively then covid.

Let’s do some simple math. Covid had at its worst a 3% death rate… that’s including old people whom were especially weak to it. If our original response was to infect everyone not susceptible to it then this shit be done. With fewer casualties and far less damage to the economy.

The response is so fucking bad I can’t think of one single thing biden and his idiots have done correctly since he took office. If I could get away with it Ide shoot the mfer in the face myself… under him and his fools half this countries lost complete faith, not only in their ability to do what needs to be done, but which side these mother fuckers are on. Idc who you are if, as a government, you lose the faith of even 20-30% of your population your doing it so very wrong.

I can’t even compare biden to hitler. It’s not a fair comparison. Hitler was far less dangerous. Hitler was a clear enemy where as Biden’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

[Oigit]

@VanillaSalt I'm not going to take your math and the math of people on the left with a massive truck of salt. Simply because of how political this has become. I'm demand every one sources and triple check them myself. Simply because both sides of the political isle like to pick and choose their sources and sometimes create their own. They do this in order to make the "facts" fallow the narrative they present.

[VanillaSalt]

That’s the kicker. Who’s information do you trust when the government effected is accused of a power grab and the media and its sources are found guilty on numerous occasions of fabrication? At this point stats are hearsay.

My stats come from the CDC website whatever value that gives. My “knowing” the numbers are fabricated comes from an old televised government/media interaction stating “if they died clearly of something else and had covid it is counted as a covid death”. Paraphrasing.

At this point it’s a matter of taking what you believe and acting on it. But the left wanna take that choice away. IF the vaccine prevented spreading or made you immune then Ide say there’s a discussion for a mandate… but it don’t do that. Therefore there is no merit in the discussion of a mandate.

I’ve weighed three options and having suffered covid myself… I’m not scared. I’ll do what I can to avoid spreading it but mandates have no power over me and I’ll sue the first job site that fires me for being unvaccinated. I welcome a good payday.

Also knowledge for knowledge’s sake… to take something with a grain of salt is the equivalent of comparing something to the grain of salt and thus a” massive truck of salt “ means you’re putting a lot of trust in the compared something. So your comment reads you trust my numbers when what you meant is you take it with a grain of salt. So you don’t look stupid in the future.

[Djaay]

All Hospitals have 90 % of patients that have underlining issues unrelated to covig or viruses period. So overcrowding isn't a new thing... hyper-sesitivity to covig has incorperated a influx of fear mongering especially with hospitals and care homes. Population rises , fear levels rise , idiots come out of the woodwork , assholes increase and here we all are now.

[goaded]

The US is back up to 2,000 people a day dying of covid. That's a really bad flu season in one month.

[Djaay]

Spread out through 48 states and how many hospitals? Thats nothing in comparison to all the overcrowding hype.

[goaded]

It's still 3-4 times as many people as that bad flu season.

(Aren't there 50 states?)

[Djaay]

Technically 49... Hawaii isn't truly America.

[goaded]

Five-O. The fiftieth state.

[Djaay]

Haha... Your history classes have lied to you and all the others about Hawaii and wether its really a state or not.

[NYCQuestions1976]

I bet I know the answer before I watch the video:

Is the answer "Fatty Alfredos"? 🤔

[Juxtapose]

Actually no.

[NYCQuestions1976]

I watched. Cutting staff and shrinking intensive care units, even prior to Covid. Not good. He did give a nod to the morbidly unhealthy at the very beginning, so I'll graciously accept second place.

[HighValue]

They actually aren't overcrowded. Multiple times nurses and doctors have shown videos of their hospitals more than half empty when the news is reporting that they are overcrowded. It is a lie from the media.

[007kingifrit]

jimmy dore is an idiot.

hospitals intentionally maintain a ratio of hospital beds of 90%. they have actuary tables to predict how many beds they will need so they are ALWAYS 90% full at all times

hospitals are not overcrowded, that's just propaganda from covid loving media industrial complex trying to keep you obedient

[Juxtapose]

Hospitals could definitely use more redundancy.

[MrSmithee]

you are correct. hospitals will be as profitable as possible, except when overseen by gov.

[exitseven]

People do not live healthy lifestyles. Too much fast food and not enough exercise. The obesity rate is very high and blood pressure and cholesterol becomes high as well.

[Dargil]

Horrible, corrupt and evil leadership is everywhere.

[Exterminatore]

I’m not interested. I guess that’s what happens when you open your borders and put everyone crossing them on SSI. They now go to the hospital at the tax payers expense…and if there’s no room for you and I…. we’ll that’s just too bad isn’t it.

[RolandCuthbert]

Nothing you say makes any sense. You claim that Covid does not exist in one post, only to complain about hospital staffing in the next. This when you don't believe a single thing what the vast majority of doctors and nurses tell you.

The anti-vax crowd was actively protesting medical workers who were working double and triple time trying to save people's lives.

You are not just irresponsible son, you need serious mental help.

[Juxtapose]

I don't know what you're talking about, perhaps you need some help.

[normalice]

If unvaccinated people were hospitalized at the same rate as vaccinated people hospital workers would be enjoying a leisure they have not seen in two years.

[Juxtapose]

Suuuure, blame citizens when the rich oligarchy didn't put ANY redundancy into the hospitals lol.

[normalice]

Suture excuse the far right fake news for screwing it all up because it makes you feel better 😂🤡

[Juxtapose]

I wasn't even talking about the political parties, they are irrelevant in this discussion.

[normalice]

I didn't mention political parties, either 🙃

[OddBeMe]

If health care workers would only vaccinate...

Be like hiring teachers who don't have any education...

[ninaneedshelp]

They are creating the problem

[noohair]

Because empty hospitals don't generate money.

[SaoirseS]

What one minute of the 13:22 minute video?

[Juxtapose]

First minute, yep.