@Aerissa_Jade There is a biological and natural selection thet younger women far more likely to raped. You keep hearing the argument that rape is about power and control; not sex. Sometimes that is true but usually it is not. Extremely attractive men seldom rape because they don't need to and because the penalties for rape make it risky. Therefore, they maximize their genes by not raping. Ugly and other highly undesirable men, have few, if any, opportunities for consensual sex with young fertile women. Therefore, in spite of the penalties and associated risk, it is rape that maximizes opportunities to pass on their genes.
I don't know how they should deal with it besides not just brushing off victims it should always be taken seriously, I was a victim myself and my own parents didn't believe me
The only ones you should blame for not being taken seriously are feminists who falsely accused men on purpose. They have made it so that those women who actually do go through horrible things aren’t believed. While they run under the banner of “believe all women.”
@Heartache0405 It goes both ways though, telling victims its their fault they aren't believed because of the actions of others is like telling me they are being falsely accused due to the actions of the actual rapists. No one has control over the others and can do nothing about that.
I’m not blaming victims. I’m blaming the feminists for falsely accusing men of rape. Not all men are rapists. Feminists lead women to believe that all men are rapists by claiming that there is a “rape culture.”
@Heartache0405 I'm not a feminist, I'm a equalist but I know there is a rape culture as I experienced it first hand. Not being believed, saying I must of done something to deserve it. Victim blaming, that it was somehow my fault. All that is part of the rape culture.
I don’t believe there is a rape culture because if there were, every woman in America would have a real rape story. They don’t. Hence there is no such thing as rape culture. It’s made up to make men look like Viking monsters.
Ideally in my opinion, take the accused or convicted sex offenders, skin them alive and nail them to wooden poles along the road side. Let infection, exposure and animal predation kill them. If it turns out it was a false accusation and done out if malice, do it to the liar as well. If it was an accident, 20 years in prison.
Fellas, let me put this into a context you might understand. If 6'7", 350 lb. Bubba stripped you and fucked you in the ass while holding your head down with his big mitt over your mouth, would you feel violated? Now think about a petite 120 lb girl that has been raped, simply because she went out to a bar.
I think when it comes to stuff like this It needs to be investigated carefully because the next few decisions can and will alter someones life. It’s hard to know who’s lying and who’s being true at times because you never know. Now if the evidence shows she was capin’, I believe the other party deserves compensation for time and that they accuser should be severely punished.
Accusations should be taken seriously but guilt in the US is found through the justice system ideally and a person is innocent until proven guilty. Most people lack the ability to effectively practice that concept, but ideally the courts would work and people would allow them to function properly.
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Yeah it’s apart of their narrative to think chicks are making up rape allegations. But it’s sad that a majority of rape isn’t reported at all. Thus the next girl to be raped could have been stopped by the last girl. Yes, we put undo burden on rape victims. And it should stop. We should just treat it like any other crime. Report it, investigate honestly and go with the results.
Report and take a rape kit its the only way and i think no means no and rape is wrong completely. I think if someone is actually guilty and not a false accusation shall that man be castrated or some mutilating happens to the female. If anyone is reporting false rape cases i think they deserve a year in jail and to be fined hella money for lying and wasting the systems time.
I wasn't going to report mine, but he tried to kill me, almost succeeded so it was impossible to not get reported but the officers were great for me. Always on my side.
Sorry that happened and I hope he didn't go off to do it to others.
He had special needs and apparently wasn’t his first time I’m sorry but special needs my ass he knows wtf he’s doing to women. He tried to do it again or wanted revenge I don't know and attempted to break into my car 3 years my protection order was up:) and again police said it would have been easier if I let him in the car to charge him. I have my pistol permit now and just am over going to them. I’ll protect myself. Sorry for you as well!
I think the best thing society can do is listen to the victim/survivor without judgement, and wait for a verdict (if the victim/survivor decides to press charges) before jumping to any conclusions.
I've been on the opposite side of this. I was falsely accused of rape. Allegation was that it was consensual at first, she took consent away in the middle of sex, that I pinned her down, she fought me off, started riding me, gave me head, and that I fingered her against her will while she showed me how to, like that makes sense. There was even a sex tape. Bail was set so high, and covid kept pushing trial back, so I did 18 months before being found innocent. There was no financial compensation, nothing to reimburse me. I lost all that time rotting in jail and she won't be punished. I used to believe every girl who claimed rape but not anymore.
Yes, consent can be taken away in the middle of sex. I agree. What I wasn't specific was... she "took consent away" without saying no, making any verbal withdrawal, and was actively participating.
I don’t blame you, I don’t trust women anymore either. Not after being cheated on in all of my past relationships and then having had to deal with a false accusation when trying to see where things would go with a new girl. That’s when I gave up. I’m not risking going to jail over a girl. They’re not worth it.
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It shouldn't. Neither society or media should be allowed to debate or talk about cases until it's been proven or disproven in a court of law.
The main reason most victims aren't believed, and why most fake victims get caught, is their lack of evidence and plausible testimony. Trial by media and the court of public opinion just further stirs things up.
But it's also bullshit to suggest it's "6%" or "60%" because no one really knows or can know. In cases where there is compelling evidence there is usually a conviction. The problem in most rape cases is that alcohol and hearsay are the main factors. Hence no testimony can be taken at face value.
Just like driving dangerously and without care can lead to consequences. So can drinking and living carefree. It's a real world you live in kiddo.
I see your living high in the rape culture, victim blaming and enjoying life as a rapist who will blame the victim saying its their fault for being attacked cause they drank alcohol.
Living life is nothing like driving a car, your delusional.
The new generation of women has made a joke of that word on the expense of women who really got raped. Just because they are unwilling to accept choices they made or to punish men who didn't live up to their wishes. We need to start sending these women to jail, so the balance can return otherwise men will check out completely.
There’s also a report out that 1 in 4 are false. I think women need to have proof it happened as it is they can just say the shit and ruin a man immediately. I stay away from females today they are dangerous , and to be honest I don’t really like them much anymore. Hateful , neurotic , greedy , shallow describes 90 % of females in my view. If one ever lies on me she will pay with a bullet immediately.
There accusations they don't if he actually did it, is she making it up to get back at him or maybe she's mentally ill and doesn't know what's going on. The man should be castrated for that? Damn, thank god I'm dying soon.
“being charged for filing a false report when it really happened” but what if the thing that really happened was consensual? How would it feel to be filed a false report against? I’m not saying all rape victims are lying but some do lie for whatever reason and it’s not just men who are all the rapers etc
My question is how to make those who file false reports be punished without making real victims, who are already very afraid to come forward, even more afraid to come forward?
No one disputes consensual, the next day who change their mind should be false police reports but many rapists will actually say it was consensual when it wasn't.
That is what I am getting out, how to get justice for everyone, allow victims to come forward without being more afraid than they are already. While punishing those that were consensual who changed their minds later.
Society should enforce very high penalties for people who do it (99% of the time men). But they shouldn't publish any information about the rapist, before it has been assured it was him who did it.
I sometimes wonder if that is a good thing, but then I know people who are already doing it illegally, selling their bodies and they do not want to be doing it. They feel like they have no choice, do guys really want sex with someone who is doing it because they have no choice? Everyone has crappy jobs they feel stuck in and can't get out of.
Definitely stop treating sex and nudity as taboo though, I agree with that 100%. I'll always be on the fence about legalize prostitutions though.
I agree that if you know 100% that a woman lied about that she should go to jail but on the other hand I fear that women who were telling the truth and people just thought she was lying would go to jail. Rape can be such a hard thing to prove on both side it makes it such a difficult case.
@NHI2017 The problem with that is, what if it is a real attack but now she is afraid of reporting it because if she isn't believed she doesn't want to risk 15 year in prison?
That method would result in more victims who do not speak up and rapist guys knowing this committing more attacks.
I'm all for if there is hard evidence, showing she lied that she can go to jail for it. It would need to be something beyond doubt thought.
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Firstly, most women need to stop being so trusting.
Would stop many of the rapes from happening, later in life.
For younger, in familiy etc could use better services for notifications. Maybe even as anon at first, to get her used to talking about it
Most rapes happen at a younger age, the older women get the less likely to happen.
@Aerissa_Jade There is a biological and natural selection thet younger women far more likely to raped. You keep hearing the argument that rape is about power and control; not sex. Sometimes that is true but usually it is not. Extremely attractive men seldom rape because they don't need to and because the penalties for rape make it risky. Therefore, they maximize their genes by not raping. Ugly and other highly undesirable men, have few, if any, opportunities for consensual sex with young fertile women. Therefore, in spite of the penalties and associated risk, it is rape that maximizes opportunities to pass on their genes.
* There is a biological and natural selection reason that younger women are far more likely to raped.
@DWornock I say it is about power, control and sex. My attacker was definitely all the above.
I don't know how they should deal with it besides not just brushing off victims it should always be taken seriously, I was a victim myself and my own parents didn't believe me
I'm sorry, that is not right. DM me if you ever want to talk.
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The only ones you should blame for not being taken seriously are feminists who falsely accused men on purpose. They have made it so that those women who actually do go through horrible things aren’t believed. While they run under the banner of “believe all women.”
Yeah falsely accusing is terrible, those people deserve some kind of punishment too and they ruin things for real victims
@Heartache0405 It goes both ways though, telling victims its their fault they aren't believed because of the actions of others is like telling me they are being falsely accused due to the actions of the actual rapists. No one has control over the others and can do nothing about that.
I’m not blaming victims. I’m blaming the feminists for falsely accusing men of rape. Not all men are rapists. Feminists lead women to believe that all men are rapists by claiming that there is a “rape culture.”
@Heartache0405 I'm not a feminist, I'm a equalist but I know there is a rape culture as I experienced it first hand. Not being believed, saying I must of done something to deserve it. Victim blaming, that it was somehow my fault. All that is part of the rape culture.
I don’t believe there is a rape culture because if there were, every woman in America would have a real rape story. They don’t. Hence there is no such thing as rape culture. It’s made up to make men look like Viking monsters.
Take victims seriously.
Ideally in my opinion, take the accused or convicted sex offenders, skin them alive and nail them to wooden poles along the road side. Let infection, exposure and animal predation kill them. If it turns out it was a false accusation and done out if malice, do it to the liar as well. If it was an accident, 20 years in prison.
@Agape93 How could it possibly be an accident?
As in she blamed the wrong person by accident. Blaming Kevin when Steven did it, because they both look very similar, for example
@Agape93 OHHHHH.
I was gonna say, I didn't think you could rape someone by accident.
But I misunderstood what you wrote. My bad.
You're good, sorry I wasn't clearer about it
It's all good!
Fellas, let me put this into a context you might understand. If 6'7", 350 lb. Bubba stripped you and fucked you in the ass while holding your head down with his big mitt over your mouth, would you feel violated? Now think about a petite 120 lb girl that has been raped, simply because she went out to a bar.
I think when it comes to stuff like this It needs to be investigated carefully because the next few decisions can and will alter someones life. It’s hard to know who’s lying and who’s being true at times because you never know. Now if the evidence shows she was capin’, I believe the other party deserves compensation for time and that they accuser should be severely punished.
What does capin mean?
Accusations should be taken seriously but guilt in the US is found through the justice system ideally and a person is innocent until proven guilty. Most people lack the ability to effectively practice that concept, but ideally the courts would work and people would allow them to function properly.
Yeah it’s apart of their narrative to think chicks are making up rape allegations. But it’s sad that a majority of rape isn’t reported at all. Thus the next girl to be raped could have been stopped by the last girl.
Yes, we put undo burden on rape victims. And it should stop. We should just treat it like any other crime. Report it, investigate honestly and go with the results.
Report and take a rape kit its the only way and i think no means no and rape is wrong completely. I think if someone is actually guilty and not a false accusation shall that man be castrated or some mutilating happens to the female. If anyone is reporting false rape cases i think they deserve a year in jail and to be fined hella money for lying and wasting the systems time.
Honestly I was better off not reporting than dealing with the bs the police officers put me through.
I wasn't going to report mine, but he tried to kill me, almost succeeded so it was impossible to not get reported but the officers were great for me. Always on my side.
Sorry that happened and I hope he didn't go off to do it to others.
He had special needs and apparently wasn’t his first time I’m sorry but special needs my ass he knows wtf he’s doing to women. He tried to do it again or wanted revenge I don't know and attempted to break into my car 3 years my protection order was up:) and again police said it would have been easier if I let him in the car to charge him. I have my pistol permit now and just am over going to them. I’ll protect myself. Sorry for you as well!
There is never an excuse for it, special needs doesn't make it okay. That is terrible.
I think the best thing society can do is listen to the victim/survivor without judgement, and wait for a verdict (if the victim/survivor decides to press charges) before jumping to any conclusions.
I've been on the opposite side of this. I was falsely accused of rape. Allegation was that it was consensual at first, she took consent away in the middle of sex, that I pinned her down, she fought me off, started riding me, gave me head, and that I fingered her against her will while she showed me how to, like that makes sense. There was even a sex tape. Bail was set so high, and covid kept pushing trial back, so I did 18 months before being found innocent. There was no financial compensation, nothing to reimburse me. I lost all that time rotting in jail and she won't be punished. I used to believe every girl who claimed rape but not anymore.
Consent can be revoked mid act, or any point. The fingering part makes no sense, but if she did revoke mid act that would be rape if you did not stop.
I'll assume you did stop though from what you are saying.
It goes the same for guys though, if he wants her to stop and she keeps riding, she is now raping him.
Yes, consent can be taken away in the middle of sex. I agree. What I wasn't specific was... she "took consent away" without saying no, making any verbal withdrawal, and was actively participating.
See this is why it’s too dangerous for men to have sex anymore. I’m glad I’m voluntarily celibate in this day and age.
@Heartache0405 It's honestly hard for me to trust women anymore
I don’t blame you, I don’t trust women anymore either. Not after being cheated on in all of my past relationships and then having had to deal with a false accusation when trying to see where things would go with a new girl. That’s when I gave up. I’m not risking going to jail over a girl. They’re not worth it.
It shouldn't. Neither society or media should be allowed to debate or talk about cases until it's been proven or disproven in a court of law.
The main reason most victims aren't believed, and why most fake victims get caught, is their lack of evidence and plausible testimony. Trial by media and the court of public opinion just further stirs things up.
But it's also bullshit to suggest it's "6%" or "60%" because no one really knows or can know. In cases where there is compelling evidence there is usually a conviction. The problem in most rape cases is that alcohol and hearsay are the main factors. Hence no testimony can be taken at face value.
Just like driving dangerously and without care can lead to consequences. So can drinking and living carefree. It's a real world you live in kiddo.
I see your living high in the rape culture, victim blaming and enjoying life as a rapist who will blame the victim saying its their fault for being attacked cause they drank alcohol.
Living life is nothing like driving a car, your delusional.
Sorry you can't control yourself.
The new generation of women has made a joke of that word on the expense of women who really got raped. Just because they are unwilling to accept choices they made or to punish men who didn't live up to their wishes. We need to start sending these women to jail, so the balance can return otherwise men will check out completely.
There’s also a report out that 1 in 4 are false. I think women need to have proof it happened as it is they can just say the shit and ruin a man immediately. I stay away from females today they are dangerous , and to be honest I don’t really like them much anymore. Hateful , neurotic , greedy , shallow describes 90 % of females in my view. If one ever lies on me she will pay with a bullet immediately.
I think it should be dealt with chemical castration. The woman has to deal with lifelong trauma, the man who raped her should too.
There accusations they don't if he actually did it, is she making it up to get back at him or maybe she's mentally ill and doesn't know what's going on. The man should be castrated for that? Damn, thank god I'm dying soon.
“being charged for filing a false report when it really happened” but what if the thing that really happened was consensual? How would it feel to be filed a false report against? I’m not saying all rape victims are lying but some do lie for whatever reason and it’s not just men who are all the rapers etc
How do you suggest to identify that?
My question is how to make those who file false reports be punished without making real victims, who are already very afraid to come forward, even more afraid to come forward?
No one disputes consensual, the next day who change their mind should be false police reports but many rapists will actually say it was consensual when it wasn't.
That is what I am getting out, how to get justice for everyone, allow victims to come forward without being more afraid than they are already. While punishing those that were consensual who changed their minds later.
Just stay sexless and live life. Problem solved.
@Heartache0405 thanks for the laugh but very true.
Society should enforce very high penalties for people who do it (99% of the time men). But they shouldn't publish any information about the rapist, before it has been assured it was him who did it.
Legalize prostitution and stop treating sex as if it is taboo.
I sometimes wonder if that is a good thing, but then I know people who are already doing it illegally, selling their bodies and they do not want to be doing it. They feel like they have no choice, do guys really want sex with someone who is doing it because they have no choice? Everyone has crappy jobs they feel stuck in and can't get out of.
Definitely stop treating sex and nudity as taboo though, I agree with that 100%. I'll always be on the fence about legalize prostitutions though.
I am not saying it's a great life choice.
Its just an "outlet" and both parties will have to consent.
It would help if women came forward as soon as rape happened instead of waiting months or years. It would also help if false accusations didn’t exist.
They should make it a SERIOUS
fellony, for a woman to falsely accuse a man of rape,
and there should be a time limit, On how long they wait to make that claim, before it becomes invalid.
if a woman is stareing 15 years in prison down the barrel, Shel think twice about makeing a false accusation,
If she is 1000% sure, with proof and its recent, She wouldn’t have anything to worry about
I agree that if you know 100% that a woman lied about that she should go to jail but on the other hand I fear that women who were telling the truth and people just thought she was lying would go to jail. Rape can be such a hard thing to prove on both side it makes it such a difficult case.
Wouldn’t she be safer in jail if that were the case?
@NHI2017 The problem with that is, what if it is a real attack but now she is afraid of reporting it because if she isn't believed she doesn't want to risk 15 year in prison?
That method would result in more victims who do not speak up and rapist guys knowing this committing more attacks.
I'm all for if there is hard evidence, showing she lied that she can go to jail for it. It would need to be something beyond doubt thought.