What Front Would You Be On If There Was A War Between Russia And America?

[Jason0808]

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[OpenClose]

I mean I would "side" with America here but I wouldn't exactly "support" us.

What it seems like to me is that military contractors started panicking after we pulled from Afghanistan and lobbied the government into insisting on a new war to keep that weapons money flowing. Russia has some demands that could probably be diplomatically negotiated. Interviews with Ukrainians are kind of hilarious. Reporters asking "are you ready for the impending invasion" and they're just like "wtf are you even talking about?"

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[RealMarek]

I don’t have a dog in this fight. Ukraine has been a grift for American elites ever since the CIA overthrew the legitimate government in a coup. Politicians send their relatives there to get lucrative board positions for which they are not qualified (Hunter is not the only one) and US intelligence has front companies there. Meanwhile, despite being having one of the wealthiest elites on earth, the median standard of living in the US has fallen to the level of Chile’s and continues to decline. This is nothing to start chanting “USA USA” or playing Proud to Be an American about. I strongly advise any normal American to stay home and let the elites send their men to fight this war. Don’t fight their wars for them.

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[purplepoppy]

Russia has the home advantage on this one. It's a lot easier for them to get troops and equipment to the front line than it is America.
America would ultimately win but Putin knows the cost would be too high, he's gambling they won't want a war.

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[AvaOneLasTime]

You really underestimate Russia as Hitler did. Well, at least Biden is not underestimating... anything...
His thinking process is troublesome.

[888theGreat]

America can't beat Russia , they could hurt them

[Cjbruser]

Neither side has the morale or the motivation to want to fight in a major regional war.
If you hear and have seen videos of Russian, Ukrainian and American troops, none of them are too enthused about fighting.
People are tired of pointless geopolitical wars.

[Cjbruser]

@AvaOneLasTime Joe Biden is demented. There is no way that he is making any executive decisions on his own, he's just a puppet.

[caitycat21]

I would be sitting my behind at home. I don’t care for either of those countries

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[andreasderjuengere]

In a war, I'd have only one side: MINE!
So I'll just wait it out at home - expecting none of both turning up at my door.
However - my liking tends rather towards Russia: they have an established (and old) culture with own values - other than cash and profit only; they don't try to boss me around.
And they don't mess around with new-think (all this trendy ''social re-thinking'' and re-inventing humanity.
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Summing up: fuck America!
(not saying that individual Americans can't be nice guys :) )

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[Kaneki05]

Neither of course. Would of been Russian easy though if they still had Lenin but alas all they've had is shit after that couldn't careless about the good for the people. Probably would say the same for America with JFK and his plan to make the poor not exist was a great idea that honestly was probably why he was killed.
That's if we don't just take the simple answer it was some random crazy man of course which could be true.

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[Miristheiss]

Front?
Do you mean which side?
I'm an American.
My opinion is this is between Russia and the Ukraine. It is NOT our fight.
If we pick sides then sanction Russia... give the Ukraine all the guns and jets and weapons systems, radar systems, anti aircraft systems they can handle to aid in the fight but beyond that... this is not our fight.

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[Massageman]

United States, of course.
I'm assuming that by front you meant opposing sides.
If there were a war, it could be fought on many different "fronts" if you use the term meaning where the actual clashes are fought (Russian Front in WWII, etc).

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[lightbulb27]

USa, but have we won anything since wwii? oh yea... nicaragua... the rest, generally not winnable. not gonna win this either if get into it. probably have to build a "neutral zone" as buffer.

we fight for freedom and democracy over dictatorships and communism.. unless they are our allies like Saudi Arabia, then we give them a hall pass. oil and money.

Ukrainians I'd met don't like Russia.

[888theGreat]

we won First gulf war and second if defeating Saddam was the goal

[lightbulb27]

@888theGreat FGW - yes, forgot about that. Schwartzkoff!
2nd one... not sure...

[888theGreat]

The goal was topple Saddam (not smart) but they did do that. Then we played mommy and daddy and stayed. We should have gotten out.

[DamnSam]

None, so far the unions still stand...

Means if the US go to war vs Russia... China, Japan, India and a few others have the duty per union law, to stand on the Russian side... the US are too in unions, which gives them too allies

But in long therm that would mean, bc the US and Russia go to war against each other... nearly a hundred other countries are automatically involved too... which nobody wants since most businesses are still depending on the trade unions import/export...


Imagine a world in peace, everyone gets work education for free and companies work together in the same direction... imagine what the world population could do in a month in a world like that...

[TommyMountainFigure]

Screw that for a lark. If there was a war between The US and Russia, the only front I would be on is the Western Front in Australia!!

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[Lliam]

I'm a American but the U. S. is in the wrong here. It, it's NATO "allies", and the Nazi regime it installed in Kiev, need to fuck all the way off.

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[Kiran_Yagami]

I want no part in a war with Russia. Greedy, corrupt, politicians starting conflicts to distract us from hating them is not behavior I want to engage in. If anything, I would fight against my own government.

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[Wester1967]

Anyone selling this horsesh*t is a mule for fkn Pentagon contractor shareholders. Or some chud with tiny johnson issues. The US is already in debt and you want to put them in even more debt. Stupid. Go over there and cosplay Hitler and Napoleon and see what happens morons.

[Luopio27]

Finland is right next to Russia. This is like choosing between Aliens and Predators. Whoever wins we loose.

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[dragoblack]

Im disabled and don't qualify. Regardless, both are horrible countries that essentially carpet bomb the rest of the world, literally, figuratively, politically, and socially.

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[exitseven]

I am too old to be in the military but I would find some other way to serve.

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[Titanic1912]

I am an American and I’ll always wats fight for America and I’ll always cry American Tears!

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[Surely]

I voted America. Even though I am rather old to be on the front lines. But I would stand way behind the politicians that should be on the front lines!

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[kellytheman]

American because I am American and I feel Russia are big bullies or a least Putin is.

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[EnglishEuropean]

If I had a cellar I'd be hiding in it.

In other news, Fuck Putin.

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[EIChapo]

As an American who hates his own country and people, I'd fight on everyone's side as long as it's against the US. The world would be a way better place if it got rid of Americans... I've never seen people so wicked.

[888theGreat]

You must be one of the illegals

[EIChapo]

@888theGreat I was born here, dumbass.

[888theGreat]

Oh, your mom was knocked up and dropped you on US soil?

[NamerOfStars]

Neither. I don't do violence if I can avoid it, and I certainly won't do war.

[AvaOneLasTime]

Only US people here? Damn... Maybe i should ask this question in my country then.

[Curmudgeon]

Well, I grant you that the USA may be WRONG on the Ukraine issue, but I am still an American. Such is the tragedy of history and geopolitics.

[AvaOneLasTime]

@Curmudgeon
the States are VERY wrong on the Ukraine issue, you even had a news media, announcing Russia invaded Ukraine, and then playing the card - there were some error in our post.
That was either intentional or the people working there are complete idiots!

[Curmudgeon]

@avaonelastime I do not disagree at all. Please see my other posts on this. The Ukraine (at least the borders it has on paper now) contains millions of ethnic Russians who frankly want to be part of "Mother Russia" again, from their fleet bases in Sevastopol and the Crimea, to their Russian enclave in Transnistria. And is an American administration *really* wanting to stop this? Risking our boys and even now our girls in a war? For what? What does it benefit the USA? Putin may be an adversary, but he is NOT Brezhnev 2.0, let alone Stalin 2.0

[AvaOneLasTime]

@Curmudgeon
The real problem is the US not thinking twice, why they keep sticking their nose and bein aggressive towards other countries?
Iran, Afghanistan, Russia, North Korea and economical was with China. Need i to add more examples?
On how many fronts are they going to create problems and make enemies for themselves? And Why? The Hell, why? It's like digging your own grave, while you are still young and healthy. I refuse to believe everyone is US is with hardly working mind as Biden.

[MrOracle]

@Curmudgeon What has stopped all of these ethnic Russians from simply moving to Russia over the last 30 years? If they wanted to be back in Mother Russia so badly, they'd be there already, no?

I have no desire for the US to get involved in another war, but that's a ridiculous excuse. Clearly the government of Ukraine doesn't want to be absorbed by Russia, and of the majority of the people wanted that, it would have happened. So, why wouldn't this minority of Russians simply migrate home?

You've offered exactly the same kind of excuses that Hitler did to invade Poland and Czechoslovakia - transparent greed.

[Curmudgeon]

@MrOracle When your family has lived in an area for *centuries*, like the Crimea Russians, moving is hardly a simple matter. Nor can Russia just "move" a port where its fleet is located, and has always been located, even if it happens to be within the on paper borders of the Ukraine.

And while I understand Stalin ruthlessly also moved people around decades ago (See Transnistria problem), we have to start with acknowledging people are where they are. If a Ukraine joins the European Union and NATO, it will have to be a truncated Ukraine, in, say, the 75% of territory where ethnic Ukrainians clearly want it. I think that is the best we can realistically do.

As for the Sudetenland and Polish Corridor historical lessons, that is *exactly* my point. The sad truth is that the end of the Soviet Empire and the break away of their captive "Republics", had the built in time bomb problem of millions of people of the "Wrong" people in the "Wrong" republic, and not just ethnic Russians either. Many of those SSR boundaries were set up for internal Communist Party reasons, and did not reflect the reality on the ground. Think Armenia vs. Azerbaijan. You would think those two countries could just make a gentleman's agreement to redraw the border map a bit, but sadly they cannot. Or that weird Russian enclave of Kaliningrad. Would we really sponsor a hypothetical German effort to "take back East Prussia"? Or in turn a hypothetical Polish effort to bring back their 1938 borders and "take back Wilno" (now the Lithuanian capital of Vilnius) or "take back Lwow" (now the Ukrainian majority city of Lviv)?

The fools at Versailles who thought destroying the Austrian Empire would bring about "peace" when all it did was create a jumble of ethnics and a power vacuum just made for a creep like Hitler to come along and exploit.

[Curmudgeon]

At some point we just have to acknowledge while Hitler and Stalin were evil scum, what they did they in fact did and we have to accept people where they are living now and have lived for at least decades (and often centuries)?

[EIChapo]

@MrOracle "What has stopped all of these ethnic Russians from simply moving to Russia over the last 30 years? If they wanted to be back in Mother Russia so badly, they'd be there already, no?"

That's the definition of ethnic cleansing by international law, dumbass.

"I have no desire for the US to get involved in another war, but that's a ridiculous excuse"

There's no "buts" nor "ifs," you're either against war or you aren't. In your case, you're just too cowardly to admit you're pro war, which we already figured out. Grow a pair, @MrOracle.

", why wouldn't this minority of Russians simply migrate home?"

Because of something called international law, ignorant. That's kinda like saying to black people that if they don't like the US they should go to Africa. If you say it, you're doing hate speech, if you're a government official and try to enforce it, you're doing a crime against humanity.

"You've offered exactly the same kind of excuses that Hitler did to invade Poland and Czechoslovakia - transparent greed"

False equivalence does not make a good argument.

[MrOracle]

@EIChapo "That's the definition of ethnic cleansing by international law, dumbass."

WHAT? I didn't say that Ukraine should force them to leave, much less kill them. THAT is ethnic cleansing. I said people can CHOOSE to leave Ukraine if they prefer to be in Russia. Or, they can choose to live in Ukraine, knowing that it's Ukraine and not Russia. What isn't justifiable is for Russia to invade and take Ukraine by force.

"In your case, you're just too cowardly to admit you're pro war, which we already figured out."

Again, you're conflating things that are unrelated. I'm against the US getting involved in this militarily. But I'm also against Russia getting involved in this militarily.

"Because of something called international law, ignorant. That's kinda like saying to black people that if they don't like the US they should go to Africa. If you say it, you're doing hate speech, if you're a government official and try to enforce it, you're doing a crime against humanity."

I AM saying that if people don't like the US, and are currently living in the US, then they are free to move where they are happier. That's not a crime against humanity, that's FREEDOM. Plenty of Americans have moved to other parts of the world because they are happier there - that's their right (provided it's okay with the destination country, of course). No one is suggesting that anyone FORCE anyone to move.

Ukraine has been an independent country since 1991 - more than 30 years now. It's been recognized as an independent country by the UN and by most member countries. Invading an independent country is what is against international law.

[MrOracle]

@Curmudgeon "Nor can Russia just "move" a port where its fleet is located, and has always been located, even if it happens to be within the on paper borders of the Ukraine."

They can't move the port itself, no. They CAN relocate the fleet to Russian territory, or they can try to negotiate an agreement to port their ships in Ukraine. You know, what every other country does. Ukraine is NOT Russian territory. Russia was not able to maintain the USSR, and they lost these conquered territories when it collapsed. That's no one's fault but their own, but it's not theirs anymore. It's just like if you had your house foreclosed upon because you didn't pay your mortgage - the house is no longer yours, and the people who buy it from the bank now own it, and you aren't allowed to take it from them by force, no matter how badly you want to move back in. You don't own it.

[Curmudgeon]

@MrOracle AGAIN, Many of those former Soviet Socialist Republic boundaries were set up for internal Communist Party control reasons, and did not reflect the reality on the ground. The Crimea, and Sevastopol where the Russian fleet is located, have been ethnically Russian *for centuries*. Telling those people in the Crimea to go home is absurd--they ARE home. Sadly the on paper map boundaries do not reflect the reality and will need to be adjusted.

The on paper borders of the former Soviet Republics, especially Ukraine, are often full of Russians who have been Russian for centuries. Now when it was all part of the One Evil Empire, that did not matter so much, but in a post Soviet world of various ethnic nationalisms, now it IS a problem. There are also parts of what Russia is on paper that are probably wrong too (think Chechnya).