Hmm you're going back to 2013... let's go back further to when the russian army took over Ukraine after World War 2 and started genociding the people. How guilty do the Russians feel?
The flip side is--it's not worth the USA getting involved. It sucks for the Ukrainians. But it's not worth getting American soldiers killed and maimed to fight russia in their own front yard. Especially since Russia has already made clear that if the USA gets involved, we better be pre emptively nuking Moscow, St Petersburg, Beijing, and Shanghai right off the bat.
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By that reasoning you can blame this on dozens of nations
Europe in it's current state came from the collapse of the USSR, so it's Russia The USSR annexed the Ukraine as a result of WW II, so it's Germany WW II came about because of WW I so it's still Germany Germany came about from the Holy Roman Empire after the collapse of Western Rome so it's Italy Western Rome fell because the barbarians were sick of Roman rule so it's France, Spain, Germany, Russia... See how easy this game is to play?
Ukraine is not a fault, Nothing wrong with Ukraine.
Putin has had the desire to invade Ukraine since he got into power. The West did nothing to provoke his desire. Putin is just another commie that thinks Communism fails over and over cause the last dictator did it wrong and only he knows how to do it right until he fails and another takes over.
From Romania. Is not USA problem, is Russia, Russia had alwase been like this. USA send wapens, amunition, instructions and many other help in there throw Poland and Romania. I can confirm that USA are the best is this conflict.
Honestly, even if I accept the idea that the US had any fault whatsoever, which I don't. I still wouldn't care. We're doing more than our fair share now at the expense of our people.
In my mind at this stage, if that's not enough for you then go fuck yourself
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Does anyone here know if it is technically possible to do a YouTube campaign to raise funds for humanitarian help to Ukranians?
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By the way, all of this talk of taking guns away from people? It's total BS. I think guns should be taken away from goverments. They do more damage in weeks than ordinary people have done in centuries. If you look at the big picture that way. Ha ha...
Anyway, back to the YouTube question. I will post the details below. If anyone is interested in helping or promoting this idea, be my guest by all means.
I was studying the donation links regarding Ukraine posted on the CNN website. They were good, but not exactly for just about anyone and everyone. I have been researching other ways of donating to their suffering population, and found it to be a bit complicated. From finding the right charity with proper credibility and experience and easiest access to the devastated areas (according to the BBB), to dodging scammers, completing difficult financial transactions, reading reams of documents, filling in applications, and preferring to remain anonymous, to finding the actual money resources to fund a donation. In hopes of simplifying, easing, expediting, and making a donation means available to many charitable people, I am reaching out to you because I hope you can help promote this idea.
Here goes: - A YouTube video related to Ukraine, such as their national anthem which can be edited in with clips of some courageous speeches by the president, along with scenes of suffering and destruction, and summary of recent events be uploaded by a beneficiary (whoever is the best, fastest, most affective, and legal option) who represents Ukraine. - The video gets monetized. - The video gets promoted as top priority. - The video goes viral. ANYBODY ANYWHERE can EASILY click on it and watch it, MULTIPLE times. - Most importantly the contributor can remain anonymous. So even those who refrain from donating in fear of revealing who they are, can still help. - The income from the video goes to help Ukraine. I have seen many user views divided and scattered between random videos. Putting out one single video could consolidate and add up all of the views and direct them into raising funds to help the people of Ukraine. Thank you! I hope this can work somehow as I am no cyber expert at all.
trust is an issue... how do we know it isn't russians behind it? how can we be sure the resource goes to ukrainians. anyone with personal contacts might have an in roads. One thing we can do immediately is... stop using oil, open up drilling on our lands and stop purchasing oil from russia. that cuts a billion a day out of their bank. That clearly punishes russia. funnel resources to ukraine. also, provide aid to ukrainians fleeing the area by red cross or other established means.
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Just like they "defused" Afghanistan Iraq, Palestine, Syria... the list goes on.
The pattern being, they pretend to "introduce" democracies and progressive values. But install puppets they control. Hence are little different in ideology from their Imperial, bigoted, ancestors.
I voted against Obama twice. I knew he was a traitor before the first primary votes. He was meeting with Soros among others out in California taking pay off... Soros has always been a problem for much of the world, and especially an enemy of America. Being that our own government is working against us, I guess what we can all do is high five Russia and give them a pat on the back.
They should feel 0%, except possibly for the people who claim there was no Russian interference in their elections. These Russian trolls are getting more obvious. Go away, and establish a real democracy in your own country.
What a dumb as bricks question, Ukraine is free to make their own choices on who they align with, and that is looking like the EU since Zelensky put in the application. Putin is so salty he isn't a Russian-puppet like the last guy, now he probably wants to bring him down.
Nah his right, look russian didn't focus civilians, now nato gave civilians guns now they became target, why not just surrender then claim independence? Its what my country did back in days. This war is absolutely not necessary but top elites keep pushing civilians into battle why? Im getting sick to my stomatch from how nato is handling this, is so bad.
They were also targeting Civilians in Georgia, raping them, same when they took over the Crimea.
It’s amazing how fuckwits in democratic countries can support a dictatorship whose troops rape and murder civilians. The Russians have got a huge track record at this, even now protesting against the War,,, they are not allowed to refer to it as a War means being arrested and the usual thing in Russia
@ChrisMaster69 putin been trying to talk about it for years, they keep ignoring and pushing their own agenda forward, when its direct threat to russia, putin keep saying again and again, but they ignore, now they push civilians into war by giving them guns instead, ukraine should have surrendered, and given putin chance for trust build and then claim independence its what my country did back in days.
@ChrisMaster69 now u just become unreasonable, its why they couldn't come to agreement in first place and why they now fighting, just unreasonable people. I expected better plan from putin side kinda dissapointing this was all predictable outcomes, he should have invested in social media English and spammed more propoganda, its usa main weapon tv news.
@ChrisMaster69 calling people cunts is hate, also u said all russians should be banned for life, moat russians didn't do shit and u hate them anyway just cus they are russians, reminds me nazi times when jews where hated.
I am happy to call me mate a cunt if he deserves it.
Zero hate behind it.
Yes banning senior Russians and family for life from entering Europe, US, etc is a good move, Equally what Anon are doing by offering Bitcoin to Russian troops is also a great thing.
Also the same group are targeting the clearing banks that handle payment to their military.
Nothing worse than your family not being able to buy things when you are fighting in a war pushed by their glorious leader.
Again, zero hate, you are simply trying to put words in my mouth, zero hate. It’s just cold logic without emotion to do what needs to be done.
Try refuelling tanks, if the bulk storage network has been hacked and they cannot fill fuel trucks..
Anyhow living in a democratic country supporting a dictator who is happy to bomb civilians and threaten nuclear war, is a cunt.
No hate, it’s just pretty much a fact or very close to it, that or the person has serious mental health issues.
@ChrisMaster69 its hard for me to know the full picture to make decision, i do know that for now there is no goverment on planet that i can support all cunts. We still have great war with china ahead of us, huraay can't wait for that one. Usa will forget about eu, and al this russian battle now is gonna bite us all in the ass.
@Honesttguy it is simple, a dictator is attacking another country, again and actively bombing or carrying pit missile strikes on civilian buildings.
Anyone living in a democratic country especially with free speech is a cunt for supporting Russia. As everything they have in their democratic country is not allowed in Russia.
@ChrisMaster69 so what? U know what else is stupid? People in general look at all the sheep mentality jumping on board calling russians bad guys all of them, did they do research? No need tv news told me all i need to know, thats pretty stupid.
@Honesttguy they really don’t need to do much research
Salisbury poisoning, the use of nerve agent to kill people in another country, I mean for fuck sakes. The rape of civilians in Georgia, Crimea, the same in rebel held areas of Ukraine, Chechnya, When countries such as Switzerland go against them, the entire UN turns their back on and walks out on the Russian Prime Minister. You really do not need to be a sheep lol
You just have to be a complete cockwomble to even think about supporting them.
Imagine knowing more than the entire worlds governments.
It’s not just East n West, this is global condemnation of a cunt.
@ChrisMaster69 so u say its better to know less than more, sounds pretty stupid to me. World goverments i dont know what they know, but i do know they all lie, they have their own agenda and will tell story that pushes forward their message. Check out 9/11 didn't usa good guys vlow up their own people so they can go to war in other country mate, they all lie. And yes people definetly need more info than just fuking tv news, to think otherwise is to be a cunt.
@Honesttguy short version anyone believes Russia is in the right and can kill civilians is a cunt. Anyone in a democratic country thinking this is just pathetic, as in really pathetic.
But everyone has to put up with those with mental health issues who come out with supporting Dictators
@ChrisMaster69 u already said that again and again same thing. They fuked up, now we sit and wait for explosion, russia can wipe that country clean off in 1d, i dont even know what they're doing almost looks like sacrificing its own soldiers for nothing right now.
@Honesttguy that is standard Russian strategy, they had in the Cold War and other places. They simply use conscripts as bullet catchers.
The following are stopping all sales, interactions etc with Russia. Boeing, Airbus Apple Maerska and other shipping companies. Ford and other motor companies
These are all stopping sales and spares and other services to Russia.
The Russian Oligarchs have had to move their super yachts to places such as the Maldives, if they go anywhere else they will be seized.
@Honesttguy no one does apart from them, however the rest of the sanctions (some of which will last many years) will matter.
Own a car in Russia, a part fails… tough that part is now very expensive and hard to get a hold of. Yes parts will still be available but very hard to get a hold of, cost more money. That is of course if you have any money in your account after Anon made available on web all account information, keys etc
Even if Russia seize Ukraine, as a country they will face years of these sanctions
@Honesttguy yeah you explain that to someone who has 10 years plus of consumerism, that they cannot have a VW, BMW etc and must take kids to nursery using a horse.
Also no export market means large job losses No imports of supply chain stuff, means no manufacturing, means large job losses. The Russians are about to default on their external debt
@Aurora1010 all people of GAG whove read articles knows there's two sides in a relationship and it isn't one persons fault. couples counselors have a hard time mediating, and no shock so many relationships fail with broken dishes on the floor. USA/Nato is a party to the mess same.. except this can go nuclear and alter your life in a bad way. @ChrisMaster69 I'm not saying Putin invasion is right, it's wrong. But he's been complaining a long time to def ears and he's finally lashed out as his plan to address the problem. USA would do the same for our border. The solution is some compromise, always is... how can that be done if we polarize? Without "an out" for putin... strikes me as most dangerous times in our lives. Even russia falling apart strikes me as very dangerous. He's done this in other states, but this looks different. one can only hope after he's stalled into spring muds... and likely will level the cities in the mean time... goes home and there's some agreement that they don't enter nato... and they rebuild. best case I can see, awful for ukraine either way. Better for them to cut a deal now but doesn't look likely.
@ChrisMaster69 half of their export import was with eu other half is Asian countries and india brazil so on. Also he could have open borders to russians in ukreine and invited them back to his country, without need to claim territory that would also been good middle ground. Eh there probably csn be even more options for middle grounds, just meh fail
@lightbulb27 I guess you live a country with free speech where you can say this stuff.
Try living in a country where you cannot, where you get locked up.
That is what your post supports, you are blaming a country and diverting the blame from where it really sits,
Are you happy with Egypt declaring war on Ethiopia?
Or should they keep going with the UN mediation?
Also if another country helps another elect a democratic free thinking leader rather than a person who is under the control of a dictator, then more for it,
I would sooner a country has its population able to protest freely, rather than like Belarus where protesting is not allowed, where civilian airlines are forced down.
I guess some of us support democracy globally and some are happy that dictators flourish.
@ChrisMaster69 I don't know enough about Egypt to answer, they don't have nuclear submarines off my shore like Putin does. I'm a target zone. Its a sticky wicket... USA/west has tried nation building and democracy push and it's gone badly many times. Piss off a millionare and get sued, piss off a billionaire and get murdered, piss off a tyrant and? That's putin and russia and china. I have to tolerate them. Power to the people if they can win. If this is your field to die on then ok, I respect you for that. Id have cut a deal with putin to keep ukraine out of nato and other border countries, establish safe zones as much as possible, and whatever can be done to transition him out of his oil economy and try to get him on our side to balance against china. That sounds a lot like trump I know, that's why I favored his approach. But the time may have past months ago. Just remember... it's easy to F things up, but it is nearly impossible to "Un-F". And that's where we are at now... Yes I'm in a free country, in my view, the one that facilitated the mess...
@ChrisMaster69 what would u do? Send nuke to russia? Cud u hate them? Thats why russia is now in ukraine to make sure one day some crack addict doesn't deside to throw some bombs on moscow.
@ChrisMaster69 As someone from a country where there's supposedly free speech but we still get kidnapped and killed if we protest, I agree with you. Some people don't know how good they have it.
Ukraine had the freedom to choose to align itself with the West over Russia as a free and sovereign state. Most Ukrainians citizens themselves wanted to so as to stop Russian interference in their country. Why should Russia have a say in that?
I hope you are right, I think there's a big risk you aren't... see the document Russia wrote on how they think of nuclear weapons as an extension of conventional ones. This is about security and future, trillionaires don't like to lose...
@Jamie05rhs its what my countey did, surrendered got a lot of people killed then years later claimed independence. So it works except for genocide part.
@ChrisMaster69 @Jamie05rhs u guys just lack common sense, its like im talking to some goats who have no ability to think for themselves. Go make me sandwich im hungry
@ChrisMaster69 @Jamie05rhs Oooh look at both of u, you sound like bunch of feminists right now, making things up so it fits your narrative, from wich tiny part of brain u pulled out im pro russian? Amazing, u guys have exact same structure that feminists use at least get more creative here, give me something new.
@Honesttguy nah you are simply Scum, read through your opinions about ‘oh Putin is not killing civilians’ etc.
Pretty much everyone on this site apart from trolls like you has condemned Russia.
They invaded a sovereign nation end of.
This same country also threatened nuclear war.
Even with all that you don’t condemn Russia.
I mean what an arsehole, coming back with some feminism stuff when women and children are being killed.
The Russians are Bombing apartment blocks and tower blocks, zero military there just random bombing and missile attacks.
Russia has shut down every single independent news outlet in Russia, as in Russians broadcasting internally, only State News only.
Some of the Russian hacking groups that work in Russia and were attacking the world, have downed tools and disappeared. Some gave Anon full access to their Onion sites.
The International Brigade is growing slowly and steadily.
I would sooner wear a dress than support Russia or as you do agree with their invasion and murder of civilians. Some people defend freedom, some simply suck a dictators cock, best you pucker up and swallow another load from him.
@ChrisMaster69 again same tactic as before, your ego is so fragile u just can't come u with anything new at this point. 1st u take moral highground then throw insults and then massage your own ego how good of person u are, no ur not you're a cunt. Your left brain has completly shut down and u can't function like normal human anymore. Here example women are being raped by toxic men (moral highground) then insult, u racist, ooh im such a good person now im helping, come on. Just cus i dont agree with you doesn't suddenly make me racist or anything, world is not black and white, for u simple minded people maybe it is, makes it easier to get through life doesn't it? Not impressed.
@Honesttguy you are a troll You support Russia, plain and simple, End of you are pathetic
The simple fact is you live in a free country supporting by lack of condemnation and lying about not bombing civilians a Dictator,
There is nothing new to come up with, zero ego, just calling you out for supporting Putin like the utter scum you are. I really don’t need to come up with anything tbh, anyone reading this question, will realise what a sad fuck you are. Have to laugh at the irony of your user name.
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@ChrisMaster69 yea i was exactly pointing out if putin wanted to genocide people he could have saved his men a hassle and bombed that place long time ago, its just common sense im sorry not everyone is blessed with it, but u go and try your best out there buddy, we need people who do basic jobs and follow what leaders say so thats where u come in play. Jump to quick comclusions like women do heheh grow some balls dude
@ChrisMaster69 mmm shaming tactic, again feminists do this, are u a feminist by any chance u seem to copy them perfectly. Why it doesn't work on me i dont feel shame, cus i know what i believe in just cus u make up some lies about me to massage your own ego i dont care, its u and ur mall world u live in. For u its simple either you are pro russian or anti russian, thats cus u are a sheep type of person, u are suppose to follow, then from time to time u come across leaders and u can't understand them cus ur not supossed to. We think differently, we think independently, we have our own views and beliefs that are different than rest of society, we make new world while u guys follow us. Here i give u cookie for being a good little puppy.
@ChrisMaster69 go on live in your simple small world buddy, why do i have to care? Its your choice, at least so you believe. Keep watching those TV news and believe whatever they programm u to believe in. If u decide to mature at some point and look outside of that box u might start questioning things buut that will be too much for u to handle, i mean this war is already too much for u. Thats why there are generals who lead smaller minds like u in battle so u dont have to do the thinking, we do it for u.
@ChrisMaster69 u keep saying free speech it isn't really that free. I bet nation was built on rape murder and slavery so not really that free is it? But u keep boasting it like its badge of honor of some kind, what a joker
@ChrisMaster69 there go making shit up again "support bombing of kids" do u even here yourself? If u want to live in fantasy world thats fine stop dragging me into that shithole of yours, i refuse i dont need that. I got mind of my own im not some sheep to run forward for no reason. Why did russia go into ukraine? They had nothing better to do? They got bored? Or they just pure evil and want murder others? Wich one is it?
@ChrisMaster69 u see like i said before u live in this black and white world with simple 0 and 1 If he dont agree with me then his the enemy, are u forcing me to aggree with u are u dictator some sort? If i dont like black girls then im racist? Come on same old strategy dude, pls bring something new on table. I've seen all of this before.
not nice. re-phrased: have you been seeing the "moderate" voices for a year telling us of the risk... of nuclear war... unless we changed direction? e. g. Tulsi Gabbard is one. If not, seek out other media sources... she was right. I wonder what media you see because I believe there are separate "media realities" being disceminated by the major outlets which cause the division. So people get totally different views filtered by our search engines, youtube, etc. and it furthers our natural bias. You have to challenge your own bias. When you do, you get a different view... but have to filter out all the lies, which is hard work. Doesn't mean we should agree with Putin, I don't. It means you look for some solution by understanding his view, because currently... there is none other than mass suffering. Consider how this might end and what the options are. Putin was not destroying ukraine under Trump, he did invade under obama and biden. He's not going to stop because it is a national security issue. consider how this ends and do what you wish, it's your life.
You and Tulsi Gabbard are Russian assets. Just like your buttbuddy Trump. Anybody who excuses or justifies the actions of the murderous Putin is a Russian asset.
please contact the US Govt so they stop promoting "russian assets" through the high ranks of our military and permitting them into congress. Can you see she was right? probably not...
I can only hope the uranium obama/clinton and crew "gave" to russia doesn't get spun back around and detonated over anyone.
Let me ask you something when you masturbate and you come do you blame your dog for making you do it bro you're ignorant if you ever been honest just be honest with yourself one time I really think about what you just said
Did you watch the vodeo… have you heard any of the voices over the prior year warning of these risks. Are you aware of the meddling USA does throughout the 🌎? Maybe some are informed… some just done agree… so be it. Your analogy makes no sense. By way of some voting yes… it says some see it that way
I read your question that's all I read that's all I needed to read and you are blaming the US for Putin being over there doing what he's doing and then you say what are you going to do about it yeah read might answer you look perfectly since to me
And by the way even though the US didn't eat night the conflict over there they did do something about it and if she continue doing something about it with every other country doing something about it so what are you talkin about like I said my answer fits your question perfect
Nonsense. The Ukraine was not on the verge of joining NATO and there were no plans for missiles. The pro-Russian government was overthrown because it was corrupt and a puppet of Putin.
His actions show that they were justified in wanting to join NATO though. Putin is an authoritarian fascist who imprisons his domestic political opponents and rigs elections.
Not at all, I voted for the man who Putin is afraid of but our joke of a president cheated his way in. This is their war, not ours and the Ukrainian civilans have already proven that they're not only capable of making mince meat of Russian soldiers, but they're outright humiliating them
why are you speaking as if the guy making minimum wage who lives in a run down apartment where rent keeps doubling every 6 months has any say in the matter?
Putin invaded and annexed Crimea from the Ukraine in February 2014 during the Obama administration and now Putin's current invasion into the Ukraine is happening during the Biden administration. Putin didn't invade any countries during the Trump administration.
@NYCQuestions1976 He didn't invade? Dude, he was in Donbass and Crimea and has been for 8 years. Violating Ukrainian sovereignty every single day. Obama levied sanctions.
Your boy removed those sanctions. Ask any Ukrainian did they agree with your boy's conduct? Ask any Ukrainian who they blame for this invasion.
It ain't the United States. And withholding aid to their nation over some BS did not impress them.
@RolandCuthbert Yes. Eight years ago. Trump wasn't President in February 2014 when Putin invaded and annexed Crimea. That was nearly 3 years before his inauguration in January 2017. Putin also invaded Georgia during the Bush administration in 2008. That was 11 years before Trump's term as President.
The withholding of aid to the Ukraine was temporary (55 days) in 2019. That was 2½ years ago. It had no bearing on Putin's current invasion.
As for the sanctions, did they force Putin to give back Crimea or force him out of Donbas? No. He just turned to Communist China, like he is now.
@NYCQuestions1976 You keep saying eight years ago. Which means you have no idea of what happened in the region. If you have any balls, try asking a Ukrainian American. They will explain it to you pretty plainly.
The war began over eight years ago. And almost every single day people were dying in Donbass. Ukrainians have been engaging Russian troops just that long. As Putin lied to everyone about the Russian presence in Donetsk and Luhansk. Evidenced by the bodybags of Russian soldiers coming back from that region. Putin's repeated lies about Russians dying on training missions, while their bodies were riddled with bullets began to cause issues among the Russian populace. The supposed liberal media never reported this. Then your boy trump lifted the Russian sanctions and withheld aid to Ukraine as soldiers were dying in the East.
And I want you to acknowledge withholding aid did not endear Ukrainians to trump. Sucking off Putin on the world stage was not popular in Ukraine. And calling Putin a genius pretty much incensed them.
If you can't do that, there is no reason to continue discussion. As you pretend that a trump election would be good for Ukraine.
I also happen to be currently working with two people from the area. One from the Ukraine, the other from Poland. We've had plenty of conversations. Putin made no forward advancements or invasions during the Trump administration, beyond the aggressions he started under Bush and Obama. That's documented history. You can consider that good, bad, indifferent, or something else.
You can drone on all you want with your prospective. The factual history is this: Putin's invasions happened under Bush, Obama, and Biden, and all the sanctions did diddly squat to curtail Putin's behavior.
@lightbulb27 The United States still has their hands in this. Despite all of the sanctions (that are more symbolic than effective), the United States is still buying energy from the Diet Soviet Union. Total hypocrisy.
@NYCQuestions1976 agree. You have to wonder how we transfer the billion or so each day and the higher the price goes the more russia has to buy bombs from China and make them richer. We have a huge hand in fostering the suffering of those being shelled right now. Makes me I’ll.
@lightbulb27 I don't understand why we continue to put ourselves in positions to rely so heavily on the Diet Soviet Union, Communist China, Saudi Arabia, and other nations of the same ilk. Even before Putin's current invasion into the Ukraine, the United States asked the Diet Soviet Union to produce more energy last Summer, after projects like the Keystone XL Pipeline were cancelled about a year ago. It just makes no sense. Now supposedly there's a bipartisan resolution being drafted to immediately halt the import of Russian energy. It's definitely about time, but I also hope the United States restarts and/or increases domestic energy production, for ourselves and our allies.
@NYCQuestions1976 And refused to enact sanctions prepped by his own administration when the Russians used chemical weapons in Aleppo. And the funny thing is, Congress had to enact the actual sanctions that were passed in his administration with veto-proof majorities. Right?
In other words, they passed sanctions in such a way that Trump could not overturn them. Then trump did everything he could to slow the implementation of those sanctions.
And then what is alarming is, he told you what he was going to do.
Congress was going to enact sanctions because of cyber attacks from Russia. This was confirmed by American Intelligence. Which Trump on the world stage repeatedly denied. All throughout 2017 and at least part of 2018. Right?
Trump and Putin would make joint appearances. The question would come up, Putin would deny it and Trump would certify the denial. But somehow, not sure how. . . Congress passed legislation that Trump could not vote for sanctions against Russia.
And every trumper gives trump the credit for slowwalking the signing of legislation that legally he had to sign.
Then onto a bunch of other stuff like sharing classified intel with Russian ambassadors. Congratulating putin on winning a rigged election. Putin has been the ruler of Russia for over 20 years. Maybe he is a dictator.
Just sayin'.
But again, you flush that nonsense that putin was or is afraid of trump down the toilet.
@RolandCuthbert The military base, airport, and warehouses that housed the chemical weapons that were used by Assad were hit by missile strikes ordered by Trump in early 2017 and early 2018.
While you continue to whine and complain about Trump's apparent lack of support for the Ukraine during his administration, he hasn't been the President in over a year. In the here and now, have we stopped buying energy from the Diet Soviet Union yet? Did we, along with NATO, vote in support of a no-fly zone over the Ukraine? Nope, but we have sanctions! At least Putin doesn't have Communist China to rely on for support, supplies, and weapons. Oh wait...
It isn't the USA inciting war in Ukraina, but, post fall of Berlin wall, those Ukrainians who emigrated to USA, graduated Harvard Extension School, changed their names to English sounding ones, and pushed USA into wars. Most were girls/prostitutes that also corrupted American Christian morallity (by their communist 'I fuck-for-money-and-influence' methods.
Lol my Ukrainian side of the family that came to America is Mennonite and believe watching tv and half the stuff you do is too sinful for them to take part in.
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Hmm you're going back to 2013... let's go back further to when the russian army took over Ukraine after World War 2 and started genociding the people. How guilty do the Russians feel?
The flip side is--it's not worth the USA getting involved. It sucks for the Ukrainians. But it's not worth getting American soldiers killed and maimed to fight russia in their own front yard. Especially since Russia has already made clear that if the USA gets involved, we better be pre emptively nuking Moscow, St Petersburg, Beijing, and Shanghai right off the bat.
By that reasoning you can blame this on dozens of nations
Europe in it's current state came from the collapse of the USSR, so it's Russia
The USSR annexed the Ukraine as a result of WW II, so it's Germany
WW II came about because of WW I so it's still Germany
Germany came about from the Holy Roman Empire after the collapse of Western Rome so it's Italy
Western Rome fell because the barbarians were sick of Roman rule so it's France, Spain, Germany, Russia...
See how easy this game is to play?
Ukraine is not a fault, Nothing wrong with Ukraine.
Putin has had the desire to invade Ukraine since he got into power.
The West did nothing to provoke his desire.
Putin is just another commie that thinks Communism fails over and over cause the last dictator did it wrong and only he knows how to do it right until he fails and another takes over.
Congratulations on winning a Troll of the day award.
Why do you think he's a "troll"? It's a good question, one that needed to be asked.
@EmmaMary you're the one who is a troll if you think an intelligent thought-provoking question like this is a troll question.
From Romania.
Is not USA problem, is Russia, Russia had alwase been like this.
USA send wapens, amunition, instructions and many other help in there throw Poland and Romania.
I can confirm that USA are the best is this conflict.
Honestly, even if I accept the idea that the US had any fault whatsoever, which I don't. I still wouldn't care. We're doing more than our fair share now at the expense of our people.
In my mind at this stage, if that's not enough for you then go fuck yourself
Does anyone here know if it is technically possible to do a YouTube campaign to raise funds for humanitarian help to Ukranians?
By the way, all of this talk of taking guns away from people? It's total BS. I think guns should be taken away from goverments. They do more damage in weeks than ordinary people have done in centuries. If you look at the big picture that way. Ha ha...
Anyway, back to the YouTube question. I will post the details below. If anyone is interested in helping or promoting this idea, be my guest by all means.
I was studying the donation links regarding Ukraine posted on the CNN website. They were good, but not exactly for just about anyone and everyone.
I have been researching other ways of donating to their suffering population, and found it to be a bit complicated. From finding the right charity with proper credibility and experience and easiest access to the devastated areas (according to the BBB), to dodging scammers, completing difficult financial transactions, reading reams of documents, filling in applications, and preferring to remain anonymous, to finding the actual money resources to fund a donation.
In hopes of simplifying, easing, expediting, and making a donation means available to many charitable people, I am reaching out to you because I hope you can help promote this idea.
I found a similar fundraiser on YouTube with 57M views that raised over 30M$. Link https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cV2gBU6hKfY
Similarly, the cryptocurrency airdrop project inspired by a Ukrainian artist has raised millions to help their people.
Here goes:
- A YouTube video related to Ukraine, such as their national anthem which can be edited in with clips of some courageous speeches by the president, along with scenes of suffering and destruction, and summary of recent events be uploaded by a beneficiary (whoever is the best, fastest, most affective, and legal option) who represents Ukraine.
- The video gets monetized.
- The video gets promoted as top priority.
- The video goes viral. ANYBODY ANYWHERE can EASILY click on it and watch it, MULTIPLE times.
- Most importantly the contributor can remain anonymous. So even those who refrain from donating in fear of revealing who they are, can still help.
- The income from the video goes to help Ukraine.
I have seen many user views divided and scattered between random videos. Putting out one single video could consolidate and add up all of the views and direct them into raising funds to help the people of Ukraine.
Thank you! I hope this can work somehow as I am no cyber expert at all.
So what do you think? Does that make sense?
trust is an issue... how do we know it isn't russians behind it? how can we be sure the resource goes to ukrainians. anyone with personal contacts might have an in roads.
One thing we can do immediately is... stop using oil, open up drilling on our lands and stop purchasing oil from russia. that cuts a billion a day out of their bank. That clearly punishes russia. funnel resources to ukraine. also, provide aid to ukrainians fleeing the area by red cross or other established means.
I wish you luck, do what you can!
Just like they "defused" Afghanistan Iraq, Palestine, Syria... the list goes on.
The pattern being, they pretend to "introduce" democracies and progressive values. But install puppets they control. Hence are little different in ideology from their Imperial, bigoted, ancestors.
I voted against Obama twice. I knew he was a traitor before the first primary votes. He was meeting with Soros among others out in California taking pay off... Soros has always been a problem for much of the world, and especially an enemy of America. Being that our own government is working against us, I guess what we can all do is high five Russia and give them a pat on the back.
Maybe if people would have paid attention back in 2007 this would not be an issue...
They should feel 0%, except possibly for the people who claim there was no Russian interference in their elections. These Russian trolls are getting more obvious. Go away, and establish a real democracy in your own country.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/dQXwreYzJ40What a dumb as bricks question, Ukraine is free to make their own choices on who they align with, and that is looking like the EU since Zelensky put in the application. Putin is so salty he isn't a Russian-puppet like the last guy, now he probably wants to bring him down.
Don’t care honestly I got my own stuff to deal with I’m not gonna feel responsible for something I had nothing to do with.
Also we had nothing to do with this and it’s not the first time Russia has invaded Ukraine it’s in fact the third time.
This is a hostility that’s been going on for about a hundred years first starting in 1919.
You guys blame the US for everything... Russia is literally the one doing it and you still blame the US/NATO
@Aurora1010 chances are he lives in the US and has all the liberties and freedom that the US has.
@ChrisMaster69 true
Nah his right, look russian didn't focus civilians, now nato gave civilians guns now they became target, why not just surrender then claim independence? Its what my country did back in days. This war is absolutely not necessary but top elites keep pushing civilians into battle why? Im getting sick to my stomatch from how nato is handling this, is so bad.
@Honesttguy how are NATO handling it, what should they do?
@Honesttguy also yeah Russia in Syria….
They were also targeting Civilians in Georgia, raping them, same when they took over the Crimea.
It’s amazing how fuckwits in democratic countries can support a dictatorship whose troops rape and murder civilians.
The Russians have got a huge track record at this, even now protesting against the War,,, they are not allowed to refer to it as a War means being arrested and the usual thing in Russia
@ChrisMaster69 putin been trying to talk about it for years, they keep ignoring and pushing their own agenda forward, when its direct threat to russia, putin keep saying again and again, but they ignore, now they push civilians into war by giving them guns instead, ukraine should have surrendered, and given putin chance for trust build and then claim independence its what my country did back in days.
@Honesttguy Putin give trust….😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He needs to be treated as a Pariah and him and others banned from international travel.
Any Russian fighting also banned from travelling for life,
Anon and a some other heavy hitters in the cyber world are pushing this.
Hitting clearing banks that pay the troops.
Offering bit coin rewards for tanks or surrendering.
The majorly of the Russian troops did not even know where they were, hence some surrendering.
When the entire UN turns it back in the Russian Prime Minister and walks out, you know they are not liked now.
Equally anyone supporting them is very suspect.
@ChrisMaster69 now u just become unreasonable, its why they couldn't come to agreement in first place and why they now fighting, just unreasonable people.
I expected better plan from putin side kinda dissapointing this was all predictable outcomes, he should have invested in social media English and spammed more propoganda, its usa main weapon tv news.
@Honesttguy don’t give a shit about what he should have done, he’s a lying dictator.
There is nothing good as to what he is doing.
Anyone supporting him that lives in a democratic country is a complete cunt.
@ChrisMaster69 u see, u hate hate thats ehy there is war, you should go vegan and stop genocide, too much hate from u
@Honesttguy nope no hate.
I just know that people supporting dictators while living in democratic countries, especially the US with its freedom of speech are basically cunts.
It’s not hate it’s simple facts.
These people would be the first to complain if their rights were restricted.
@ChrisMaster69 calling people cunts is hate, also u said all russians should be banned for life, moat russians didn't do shit and u hate them anyway just cus they are russians, reminds me nazi times when jews where hated.
@Honesttguy no it’s not hate.
I am happy to call me mate a cunt if he deserves it.
Zero hate behind it.
Yes banning senior Russians and family for life from entering Europe, US, etc is a good move,
Equally what Anon are doing by offering Bitcoin to Russian troops is also a great thing.
Also the same group are targeting the clearing banks that handle payment to their military.
Nothing worse than your family not being able to buy things when you are fighting in a war pushed by their glorious leader.
Again, zero hate, you are simply trying to put words in my mouth, zero hate.
It’s just cold logic without emotion to do what needs to be done.
Try refuelling tanks, if the bulk storage network has been hacked and they cannot fill fuel trucks..
Anyhow living in a democratic country supporting a dictator who is happy to bomb civilians and threaten nuclear war, is a cunt.
No hate, it’s just pretty much a fact or very close to it, that or the person has serious mental health issues.
@ChrisMaster69 its hard for me to know the full picture to make decision, i do know that for now there is no goverment on planet that i can support all cunts. We still have great war with china ahead of us, huraay can't wait for that one. Usa will forget about eu, and al this russian battle now is gonna bite us all in the ass.
@Honesttguy it is simple, a dictator is attacking another country, again and actively bombing or carrying pit missile strikes on civilian buildings.
Anyone living in a democratic country especially with free speech is a cunt for supporting Russia. As everything they have in their democratic country is not allowed in Russia.
That is basically how stupid they are.
@ChrisMaster69 so what? U know what else is stupid? People in general look at all the sheep mentality jumping on board calling russians bad guys all of them, did they do research? No need tv news told me all i need to know, thats pretty stupid.
@Honesttguy they really don’t need to do much research
Salisbury poisoning, the use of nerve agent to kill people in another country, I mean for fuck sakes.
The rape of civilians in Georgia, Crimea, the same in rebel held areas of Ukraine, Chechnya,
When countries such as Switzerland go against them, the entire UN turns their back on and walks out on the Russian Prime Minister.
You really do not need to be a sheep lol
You just have to be a complete cockwomble to even think about supporting them.
Imagine knowing more than the entire worlds governments.
It’s not just East n West, this is global condemnation of a cunt.
@ChrisMaster69 so u say its better to know less than more, sounds pretty stupid to me. World goverments i dont know what they know, but i do know they all lie, they have their own agenda and will tell story that pushes forward their message. Check out 9/11 didn't usa good guys vlow up their own people so they can go to war in other country mate, they all lie. And yes people definetly need more info than just fuking tv news, to think otherwise is to be a cunt.
@Honesttguy short version anyone believes Russia is in the right and can kill civilians is a cunt.
Anyone in a democratic country thinking this is just pathetic, as in really pathetic.
But everyone has to put up with those with mental health issues who come out with supporting Dictators
@ChrisMaster69 u already said that again and again same thing. They fuked up, now we sit and wait for explosion, russia can wipe that country clean off in 1d, i dont even know what they're doing almost looks like sacrificing its own soldiers for nothing right now.
@Honesttguy that is standard Russian strategy, they had in the Cold War and other places. They simply use conscripts as bullet catchers.
The following are stopping all sales, interactions etc with Russia.
Boeing,
Airbus
Apple
Maerska and other shipping companies.
Ford and other motor companies
These are all stopping sales and spares and other services to Russia.
The Russian Oligarchs have had to move their super yachts to places such as the Maldives, if they go anywhere else they will be seized.
@ChrisMaster69 what do i care for their yahcts
@Honesttguy no one does apart from them, however the rest of the sanctions (some of which will last many years) will matter.
Own a car in Russia, a part fails… tough that part is now very expensive and hard to get a hold of.
Yes parts will still be available but very hard to get a hold of, cost more money.
That is of course if you have any money in your account after Anon made available on web all account information, keys etc
Even if Russia seize Ukraine, as a country they will face years of these sanctions
@ChrisMaster69 use horse instead
@Honesttguy yeah you explain that to someone who has 10 years plus of consumerism, that they cannot have a VW, BMW etc and must take kids to nursery using a horse.
Also no export market means large job losses
No imports of supply chain stuff, means no manufacturing, means large job losses.
The Russians are about to default on their external debt
@ChrisMaster69 they lose half export import not all. But economicslly its gonna be hard, thry have to build more of their own stuff
@Honesttguy with what?
Semiconductors are also on the list of restricted goods.
Good luck repairing an oil refinery without parts.
@Aurora1010 all people of GAG whove read articles knows there's two sides in a relationship and it isn't one persons fault. couples counselors have a hard time mediating, and no shock so many relationships fail with broken dishes on the floor. USA/Nato is a party to the mess same.. except this can go nuclear and alter your life in a bad way. @ChrisMaster69 I'm not saying Putin invasion is right, it's wrong. But he's been complaining a long time to def ears and he's finally lashed out as his plan to address the problem. USA would do the same for our border. The solution is some compromise, always is... how can that be done if we polarize? Without "an out" for putin... strikes me as most dangerous times in our lives. Even russia falling apart strikes me as very dangerous. He's done this in other states, but this looks different. one can only hope after he's stalled into spring muds... and likely will level the cities in the mean time... goes home and there's some agreement that they don't enter nato... and they rebuild. best case I can see, awful for ukraine either way. Better for them to cut a deal now but doesn't look likely.
@ChrisMaster69 half of their export import was with eu other half is Asian countries and india brazil so on.
Also he could have open borders to russians in ukreine and invited them back to his country, without need to claim territory that would also been good middle ground. Eh there probably csn be even more options for middle grounds, just meh fail
@lightbulb27 I guess you live a country with free speech where you can say this stuff.
Try living in a country where you cannot, where you get locked up.
That is what your post supports, you are blaming a country and diverting the blame from where it really sits,
Are you happy with Egypt declaring war on Ethiopia?
Or should they keep going with the UN mediation?
Also if another country helps another elect a democratic free thinking leader rather than a person who is under the control of a dictator, then more for it,
I would sooner a country has its population able to protest freely, rather than like Belarus where protesting is not allowed, where civilian airlines are forced down.
I guess some of us support democracy globally and some are happy that dictators flourish.
@ChrisMaster69 I don't know enough about Egypt to answer, they don't have nuclear submarines off my shore like Putin does. I'm a target zone. Its a sticky wicket... USA/west has tried nation building and democracy push and it's gone badly many times. Piss off a millionare and get sued, piss off a billionaire and get murdered, piss off a tyrant and? That's putin and russia and china. I have to tolerate them. Power to the people if they can win. If this is your field to die on then ok, I respect you for that. Id have cut a deal with putin to keep ukraine out of nato and other border countries, establish safe zones as much as possible, and whatever can be done to transition him out of his oil economy and try to get him on our side to balance against china. That sounds a lot like trump I know, that's why I favored his approach. But the time may have past months ago. Just remember... it's easy to F things up, but it is nearly impossible to "Un-F". And that's where we are at now...
Yes I'm in a free country, in my view, the one that facilitated the mess...
Sounds more reasonable if they dont find middle ground it will suck for all of us here in eu.
@ChrisMaster69 what would u do? Send nuke to russia? Cud u hate them? Thats why russia is now in ukraine to make sure one day some crack addict doesn't deside to throw some bombs on moscow.
@ChrisMaster69 As someone from a country where there's supposedly free speech but we still get kidnapped and killed if we protest, I agree with you. Some people don't know how good they have it.
@lightbulb27 I am 99.8% certain that this won't turn into a nuclear war, nobody on any side wants a nuclear war
Ukraine had the freedom to choose to align itself with the West over Russia as a free and sovereign state. Most Ukrainians citizens themselves wanted to so as to stop Russian interference in their country. Why should Russia have a say in that?
I hope you are right, I think there's a big risk you aren't... see the document Russia wrote on how they think of nuclear weapons as an extension of conventional ones. This is about security and future, trillionaires don't like to lose...
"Why not just surrender then claim independence?"
https://images.app.goo.gl/MPobtcn8U32W5CXK8
@Jamie05rhs its what my countey did, surrendered got a lot of people killed then years later claimed independence. So it works except for genocide part.
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@ChrisMaster69 Look.
@Jamie05rhs I know.
The number of Pro Russian people around is crazy
@ChrisMaster69 @Jamie05rhs u guys just lack common sense, its like im talking to some goats who have no ability to think for themselves.
Go make me sandwich im hungry
Oh, WE'RE the ones who lack common sense? When you're saying "just surrender and let them commit genocide on you.". Okay.
@Honesttguy yeah you are the fuckwit supporting Russians who are murdering civilians.
UTTER SCUM
That pretty much sums you up.
Happy in a democratic country supporting a country murdering people.
Happy supporting a country who do not see a problem threatening Nuclear War.
That is how much SCUM you are.
You are not with the shit of a rapid dogs shit.
@ChrisMaster69 @Jamie05rhs Oooh look at both of u, you sound like bunch of feminists right now, making things up so it fits your narrative, from wich tiny part of brain u pulled out im pro russian? Amazing, u guys have exact same structure that feminists use at least get more creative here, give me something new.
@Honesttguy nah you are simply Scum, read through your opinions about ‘oh Putin is not killing civilians’ etc.
Pretty much everyone on this site apart from trolls like you has condemned Russia.
They invaded a sovereign nation end of.
This same country also threatened nuclear war.
Even with all that you don’t condemn Russia.
I mean what an arsehole, coming back with some feminism stuff when women and children are being killed.
The Russians are Bombing apartment blocks and tower blocks, zero military there just random bombing and missile attacks.
Russia has shut down every single independent news outlet in Russia, as in Russians broadcasting internally, only State News only.
Some of the Russian hacking groups that work in Russia and were attacking the world, have downed tools and disappeared. Some gave Anon full access to their Onion sites.
The International Brigade is growing slowly and steadily.
I would sooner wear a dress than support Russia or as you do agree with their invasion and murder of civilians.
Some people defend freedom, some simply suck a dictators cock, best you pucker up and swallow another load from him.
@ChrisMaster69 again same tactic as before, your ego is so fragile u just can't come u with anything new at this point.
1st u take moral highground then throw insults and then massage your own ego how good of person u are, no ur not you're a cunt. Your left brain has completly shut down and u can't function like normal human anymore.
Here example women are being raped by toxic men (moral highground) then insult, u racist, ooh im such a good person now im helping, come on.
Just cus i dont agree with you doesn't suddenly make me racist or anything, world is not black and white, for u simple minded people maybe it is, makes it easier to get through life doesn't it? Not impressed.
@Honesttguy you are a troll
You support Russia, plain and simple,
End of you are pathetic
The simple fact is you live in a free country supporting by lack of condemnation and lying about not bombing civilians a Dictator,
There is nothing new to come up with, zero ego, just calling you out for supporting Putin like the utter scum you are.
I really don’t need to come up with anything tbh, anyone reading this question, will realise what a sad fuck you are.
Have to laugh at the irony of your user name.
Quote “ Nah his right, look russian didn't focus civilians”
That was you
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@ChrisMaster69 yea i was exactly pointing out if putin wanted to genocide people he could have saved his men a hassle and bombed that place long time ago, its just common sense im sorry not everyone is blessed with it, but u go and try your best out there buddy, we need people who do basic jobs and follow what leaders say so thats where u come in play. Jump to quick comclusions like women do heheh grow some balls dude
@Honesttguy lmao yeah sure grow some lol.
Trolling aside, just as you are as a person, is very shallow, you fail to condemn even after all of this the Russian bombing of civilians.
I hope you look at your family without guilt and your neighbours, knowing that you are basically happy kids are being bombed.
As that is what it comes down to when cowards like you fail to condemn actions by Russia.
What a great example you set to your kids 😂😂😂
@ChrisMaster69 mmm shaming tactic, again feminists do this, are u a feminist by any chance u seem to copy them perfectly.
Why it doesn't work on me i dont feel shame, cus i know what i believe in just cus u make up some lies about me to massage your own ego i dont care, its u and ur mall world u live in.
For u its simple either you are pro russian or anti russian, thats cus u are a sheep type of person, u are suppose to follow, then from time to time u come across leaders and u can't understand them cus ur not supossed to. We think differently, we think independently, we have our own views and beliefs that are different than rest of society, we make new world while u guys follow us. Here i give u cookie for being a good little puppy.
@Honesttguy for me it’s simple yes. I am against Russian invasion and Pro Ukrainian.
To quote you ‘ Nah his right, look russian didn't focus civilians’
Keep watching those news pictures of apartment blocks and tower blocks.
Then when likely Russia takes control, the attacks on the population begin.
Safe in your land of free speech.
Yes shaming, you are a rubbish role model,
It’s okay kids ‘dad does not care’.
Good on you not condemning Russia for targeting civilians, be proud eh..
@ChrisMaster69 go on live in your simple small world buddy, why do i have to care? Its your choice, at least so you believe. Keep watching those TV news and believe whatever they programm u to believe in. If u decide to mature at some point and look outside of that box u might start questioning things buut that will be too much for u to handle, i mean this war is already too much for u. Thats why there are generals who lead smaller minds like u in battle so u dont have to do the thinking, we do it for u.
@Honesttguy
Quote you ‘ Nah his right, look russian didn't focus civilians‘
Oh I get more info on it that just news lol.
You keep doing your Russian propaganda from your land of Free Speech, oh the irony 😂😂
@ChrisMaster69 u keep saying free speech it isn't really that free. I bet nation was built on rape murder and slavery so not really that free is it? But u keep boasting it like its badge of honor of some kind, what a joker
@Honesttguy do your own research on what happens in Russia with those who speak about against the Government.
All independent TV and media in Russia is now banned, only State media and TV.
You go on supporting the bombing of kids.
I will keep on condemning it.
You are fully entitled to your views, not like the government can stop you….
@ChrisMaster69 there go making shit up again "support bombing of kids" do u even here yourself? If u want to live in fantasy world thats fine stop dragging me into that shithole of yours, i refuse i dont need that. I got mind of my own im not some sheep to run forward for no reason.
Why did russia go into ukraine? They had nothing better to do? They got bored? Or they just pure evil and want murder others? Wich one is it?
@Honesttguy not making stuff up.
You don’t condemn, means you support it.
Who knows why a deranged clown has done what he did.
If it was to prevent NATO, then the complete opposite has happened.
You go on son, keep cheering on those Russian bombers n missiles.
I don’t need to make it up.
This is what you are backing.
I mean they even targeted a nuclear power station 🤦
Well no doubt you would deny it, just as you deny the targeting of residential homes.
As I said.
I’m against the bombing of Ukrainian families,
You don’t give a shit about it.
Have a nice day cheering on those civilian deaths and denying it was the Russians.
@ChrisMaster69 u see like i said before u live in this black and white world with simple 0 and 1
If he dont agree with me then his the enemy, are u forcing me to aggree with u are u dictator some sort? If i dont like black girls then im racist? Come on same old strategy dude, pls bring something new on table. I've seen all of this before.
I am not responsible. I didn't vote for Putin-sucking Trump.
stop watching msnbc so much and expand your mind.
... and this question should be removed. You are peddling Russian propaganda,. PUTIN is the one who is responsible, dumbfuck.
not nice. re-phrased: have you been seeing the "moderate" voices for a year telling us of the risk... of nuclear war... unless we changed direction? e. g. Tulsi Gabbard is one. If not, seek out other media sources... she was right. I wonder what media you see because I believe there are separate "media realities" being disceminated by the major outlets which cause the division. So people get totally different views filtered by our search engines, youtube, etc. and it furthers our natural bias. You have to challenge your own bias. When you do, you get a different view... but have to filter out all the lies, which is hard work. Doesn't mean we should agree with Putin, I don't. It means you look for some solution by understanding his view, because currently... there is none other than mass suffering. Consider how this might end and what the options are. Putin was not destroying ukraine under Trump, he did invade under obama and biden. He's not going to stop because it is a national security issue. consider how this ends and do what you wish, it's your life.
You and Tulsi Gabbard are Russian assets. Just like your buttbuddy Trump. Anybody who excuses or justifies the actions of the murderous Putin is a Russian asset.
@supercutebutt
Well hello again. And you're still obsessed with Trump.
I must credit you for your dedication.
@BluishGaze As long as your fucked-up hero is the 2024 leader of your fucked-up party, I will spread the word that he is basically Fat Satan. OK dude?
please contact the US Govt so they stop promoting "russian assets" through the high ranks of our military and permitting them into congress. Can you see she was right? probably not...
I can only hope the uranium obama/clinton and crew "gave" to russia doesn't get spun back around and detonated over anyone.
Your brain is broken. Good luck in life.
That's kind of what I find fascinating about you. You *THINK* I'm a Trump supporter.
Let me ask you something when you masturbate and you come do you blame your dog for making you do it bro you're ignorant if you ever been honest just be honest with yourself one time I really think about what you just said
What has a dog to do with a man's masturbating?
Well the asker wants to blame and assume so I figured he probably blames his dog to for something
Is he zoophlie?
Did you watch the vodeo… have you heard any of the voices over the prior year warning of these risks. Are you aware of the meddling USA does throughout the 🌎? Maybe some are informed… some just done agree… so be it. Your analogy makes no sense. By way of some voting yes… it says some see it that way
I read your question that's all I read that's all I needed to read and you are blaming the US for Putin being over there doing what he's doing and then you say what are you going to do about it yeah read might answer you look perfectly since to me
And by the way even though the US didn't eat night the conflict over there they did do something about it and if she continue doing something about it with every other country doing something about it so what are you talkin about like I said my answer fits your question perfect
Nonsense. The Ukraine was not on the verge of joining NATO and there were no plans for missiles. The pro-Russian government was overthrown because it was corrupt and a puppet of Putin.
His actions show that they were justified in wanting to join NATO though. Putin is an authoritarian fascist who imprisons his domestic political opponents and rigs elections.
Not at all, I voted for the man who Putin is afraid of but our joke of a president cheated his way in. This is their war, not ours and the Ukrainian civilans have already proven that they're not only capable of making mince meat of Russian soldiers, but they're outright humiliating them
why are you speaking as if the guy making minimum wage who lives in a run down apartment where rent keeps doubling every 6 months has any say in the matter?
All I'm gonna say is that it's no coincidence that Putin made his move when Biden was in office.
Putin invaded and annexed Crimea from the Ukraine in February 2014 during the Obama administration and now Putin's current invasion into the Ukraine is happening during the Biden administration. Putin didn't invade any countries during the Trump administration.
@NYCQuestions1976 He didn't invade? Dude, he was in Donbass and Crimea and has been for 8 years. Violating Ukrainian sovereignty every single day. Obama levied sanctions.
Your boy removed those sanctions. Ask any Ukrainian did they agree with your boy's conduct? Ask any Ukrainian who they blame for this invasion.
It ain't the United States. And withholding aid to their nation over some BS did not impress them.
@RolandCuthbert Yes. Eight years ago. Trump wasn't President in February 2014 when Putin invaded and annexed Crimea. That was nearly 3 years before his inauguration in January 2017. Putin also invaded Georgia during the Bush administration in 2008. That was 11 years before Trump's term as President.
The withholding of aid to the Ukraine was temporary (55 days) in 2019. That was 2½ years ago. It had no bearing on Putin's current invasion.
As for the sanctions, did they force Putin to give back Crimea or force him out of Donbas? No. He just turned to Communist China, like he is now.
@NYCQuestions1976 You keep saying eight years ago. Which means you have no idea of what happened in the region. If you have any balls, try asking a Ukrainian American. They will explain it to you pretty plainly.
The war began over eight years ago. And almost every single day people were dying in Donbass. Ukrainians have been engaging Russian troops just that long. As Putin lied to everyone about the Russian presence in Donetsk and Luhansk. Evidenced by the bodybags of Russian soldiers coming back from that region. Putin's repeated lies about Russians dying on training missions, while their bodies were riddled with bullets began to cause issues among the Russian populace. The supposed liberal media never reported this. Then your boy trump lifted the Russian sanctions and withheld aid to Ukraine as soldiers were dying in the East.
www.dw.com/.../a-60153034
This was just eight months ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez_zvVZEbvw
And I want you to acknowledge withholding aid did not endear Ukrainians to trump. Sucking off Putin on the world stage was not popular in Ukraine. And calling Putin a genius pretty much incensed them.
If you can't do that, there is no reason to continue discussion. As you pretend that a trump election would be good for Ukraine.
Tell that garbage to your troll friends.
@RolandCuthbert Trump lifted the sanction against one aluminum businessman.
foreignpolicy.com/.../
I also happen to be currently working with two people from the area. One from the Ukraine, the other from Poland. We've had plenty of conversations. Putin made no forward advancements or invasions during the Trump administration, beyond the aggressions he started under Bush and Obama. That's documented history. You can consider that good, bad, indifferent, or something else.
You can drone on all you want with your prospective. The factual history is this: Putin's invasions happened under Bush, Obama, and Biden, and all the sanctions did diddly squat to curtail Putin's behavior.
@RolandCuthbert I think you are validating my question, that USA had a hand in this... specifically in your view, Trump. Is that right?
@lightbulb27 The United States still has their hands in this. Despite all of the sanctions (that are more symbolic than effective), the United States is still buying energy from the Diet Soviet Union. Total hypocrisy.
@NYCQuestions1976 agree. You have to wonder how we transfer the billion or so each day and the higher the price goes the more russia has to buy bombs from China and make them richer. We have a huge hand in fostering the suffering of those being shelled right now. Makes me I’ll.
@lightbulb27 I don't understand why we continue to put ourselves in positions to rely so heavily on the Diet Soviet Union, Communist China, Saudi Arabia, and other nations of the same ilk. Even before Putin's current invasion into the Ukraine, the United States asked the Diet Soviet Union to produce more energy last Summer, after projects like the Keystone XL Pipeline were cancelled about a year ago. It just makes no sense. Now supposedly there's a bipartisan resolution being drafted to immediately halt the import of Russian energy. It's definitely about time, but I also hope the United States restarts and/or increases domestic energy production, for ourselves and our allies.
@NYCQuestions1976 And refused to enact sanctions prepped by his own administration when the Russians used chemical weapons in Aleppo. And the funny thing is, Congress had to enact the actual sanctions that were passed in his administration with veto-proof majorities. Right?
In other words, they passed sanctions in such a way that Trump could not overturn them. Then trump did everything he could to slow the implementation of those sanctions.
And then what is alarming is, he told you what he was going to do.
Congress was going to enact sanctions because of cyber attacks from Russia. This was confirmed by American Intelligence. Which Trump on the world stage repeatedly denied. All throughout 2017 and at least part of 2018. Right?
Trump and Putin would make joint appearances. The question would come up, Putin would deny it and Trump would certify the denial. But somehow, not sure how. . . Congress passed legislation that Trump could not vote for sanctions against Russia.
And every trumper gives trump the credit for slowwalking the signing of legislation that legally he had to sign.
Then onto a bunch of other stuff like sharing classified intel with Russian ambassadors. Congratulating putin on winning a rigged election. Putin has been the ruler of Russia for over 20 years. Maybe he is a dictator.
Just sayin'.
But again, you flush that nonsense that putin was or is afraid of trump down the toilet.
It is a nonsensical lie.
@RolandCuthbert The military base, airport, and warehouses that housed the chemical weapons that were used by Assad were hit by missile strikes ordered by Trump in early 2017 and early 2018.
www.defense.gov/.../
abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=54459378
Meanwhile, what did President "Red Line" Obama do about Syria during his administration?
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www.theguardian.com/.../epic-failure-of-our-age-how-west-failed-syria
www.reuters.com/.../us-mideast-crisis-syria-obama-analysis-idUSKBN14228S
While you continue to whine and complain about Trump's apparent lack of support for the Ukraine during his administration, he hasn't been the President in over a year. In the here and now, have we stopped buying energy from the Diet Soviet Union yet? Did we, along with NATO, vote in support of a no-fly zone over the Ukraine? Nope, but we have sanctions! At least Putin doesn't have Communist China to rely on for support, supplies, and weapons. Oh wait...
It isn't the USA inciting war in Ukraina, but, post fall of Berlin wall, those Ukrainians who emigrated to USA, graduated Harvard Extension School, changed their names to English sounding ones, and pushed USA into wars.
Most were girls/prostitutes that also corrupted American Christian morallity (by their communist 'I fuck-for-money-and-influence' methods.
Lol my Ukrainian side of the family that came to America is Mennonite and believe watching tv and half the stuff you do is too sinful for them to take part in.