Are women really worth it?

[Anonymous]

Well, are they? When you add up all the pros and cons are they worth the effort?

[Anonymous]

Each individual has to determine that for themselves. More and more men do share your feelings though. Women ridicule them, but I look at it as being no different than the way that men would ridicule feminists back in the day. The extremes are always the first to get lampooned—radical feminists and MGTOW/incels—but people overlook that their is something more there, just as there was something more to feminism. Why have so many men decided to simply stop pursuing women? This really is a new phenomenon.

[Asker]

Why indeed. But as you said extremes get lampoon. It's much easier for people to attack what they don't fully comprehend.

[Sonorous]

I agree with the people that say it depends on the person. All we can do is weigh out the pros & cons, be as reasonable & accurate as we can, & trust our judgment.

But even still, people have told me that's it's better to know for sure through experience than to not experience & never really know.

I agree to some extent. But not completely. It's why I like to think of myself as being temporarily mgtow. Because I will never truly know how future me's beliefs & values will differ. But some things, I know more accurately than others. Causing me to be able to make a wise current judgment of being mgtow.

[Anonymous]

I guess it depends on how often you need "it."
I have two close guy friends that go up to Canada once per month to get laid. They hire gorgeous escorts. Most of their fun is having a trophy girl on their arm and showing them off in clubs. All the guys looking at them think they are their actual girlfriends. It's all just a fantasy for the night. Then they come home and go back to work and normal day life. Is this right or wrong? Who gives a shit. They are happy with that, so I think it's fine.

[Asker]

Yeah like I told another poster if we're just talking sex then "no" they're not worth it. It would as you say be cheaper and easier to hire a prostitute. I meant the whole ball of wax. All the pros vs. All the cons. Are women worth the effort? Is there more good that a guy attains from pursuing and winning over and maintaining a relationship with a woman.

[Opinion Owner]

Well, these girls were escorts, so I think they're a step above prostitutes. These guys' fantasies was more about being seen than the sex part. They paraded them all around Vancouver BC. If you haven't been there, put it on your list. I took my boyfriend there to go to a strip club. I bought him a lap dance in a private room. I told the girl to torture him, and she did good. lol

[Asker]

Key word "fantasy". And that's fine if you're OK with that. But personally that's why I think strip clubs are stupid. Because it's all just a fantasy. Half the enjoyment of sex is the connection with the other person.

[Opinion Owner]

The only reason we went to the strip club, was because a girl I work with asked us to go So her and her husband and my boyfriend and I went. It's fun for about 20 minutes, and then it get very boring. The husband said he was going to put a pole in his basement so his wife could dance for him and his friends. I think that's why they liked these clubs. I just got bored and wanted to play games on my phone. lol

[Agape93]

Yeap, that's why I'm dating a woman, and not some Schweineficker from Alabama who doesn't even know how to do foreplay.

Question is, are guys worth it, when they have so many cons attached to them and only a few pros? Ehhhhh I don't know.

[Agape93]

Also FYI, want to know why a fair chunk of women date women? Because we actually know how to make each other finish.

[Asker]

I think it goes without saying those guys are definitely NOT worth it.
Hence why you choose box over them. If that's what makes you happy and fulfills you that's all that matters.

[Agape93]

Agreed entirely. Sadly that's most men, so it always leaves me wondering if it's at all worth it.

[Asker]

I didn't want to know why a woman dates another woman. I think it's not surprising that a lot of women who prefer women start off with guys before deciding they prefer women more. And I respect a woman a lot more who owns up to the reason of why they switched.

[Agape93]

Correct, you asked if we are worth it, and I responded yes and gave critique as to if men are even worth it.

Switched? Switched to what?

[Asker]

OK so you're telling me what you already told me. Not sure why. And yes switched.

[Agape93]

You implied I went off topic, so I'm making sure you understood I hadn't.

Switched to what?

[Asker]

Hey if you ALWAYS knew you liked women more power to you. They way you said it "that's why I'm dating g a woman not some Schweificker..." suggested you tried at least one guy on in the past. Or you would have no point of reference.

[Asker]

I never thought you went off topic. Not sure what in my wording you misconstrued to mean that.

[Agape93]

I never said I switched to anything, and who said I don't have more than one lover? Postulation of yours is interesting

[Asker]

Again assumptions. I'm not sure where you're pulling this from. I don't know or care who or how many lovers you have. Not sure why you think I would. Is this a sore subject for you?

[HighlyVolatile]

My wife is but she's very low-maintenance. I don't really see hardly anything as an effort with her. I do nice things for her here and there as she often does for me -- don't get me wrong -- but it doesn't feel like an effort because I want to do it. I like doing it. If you love your job it doesn't feel like a job.

[Asker]

Well said! Congrats man!

[HighlyVolatile]

Cheers! I got quite lucky there. My wife's crazy exceptional compared to my exes. For example, she's extremely thick-skinned. It's almost impossible to piss her off. And when she disagrees with someone strongly, she doesn't get upset. She looks to make jokes and deescalate conflicts. She doesn't get more upset; she epitomizes the type of person with whom you can agree to disagree and still be so fond of each other. I can keep going but I got a really good one. I think those still exist here and there, but I have to admit she's so different from my exes.

[HighlyVolatile]

Also, we've been together now for almost 15 years (going to 12 years of marriage) and I've only seen her cry maybe 3-4 times. And that was over huge, devastating things. Not little things.

[HighlyVolatile]

... and while she's assertive and quite independent, she knows how to make you feel like a man if you know what I mean. She knows how to trust me to make the executive decision, and not because she's incapable of doing it, but I think she knows how men work really well and how we take pride in these things. She grew up the youngest daughter in a family of brothers; she seems to understand how us guys work way better than most women. But she knows how to look great in a dress.

Anyway, my bad for rambling. I could write a book about her and how different she is from all my exes. Please forgive the ramblings of a loving and devoted husband. But there's no doubt she's worth it in my mind.

[Asker]

Dude no need to apologize! I think women should read success stories like this! As well as guys should read success stories written by women. It give both a better idea of what can happen when the both genders are thinking of each other as a team as less as combatants. When you're with the right person and show them selfless love it can be returned to you 3fold because as you said, " you're doing because you want to do it" it feels effortless.

[HighlyVolatile]

Cheers! 🍻

[Dargil]

Some are, come are not. You have to decide and know what you want, tell her early on and ask her what she wants. It should be treated as a social contract. You make a deal. No fantasies or wishful thinking.

[Asker]

Totally agree. I think where we run into trouble is people move the goal post mid relationship. Yes I agree clear communication is KING. And not that I'm trying to pick on women because I'm not. But I think it's in their nature to expect guys to figure it out rather than tell him. Obviously some women are more guilty of this than others.

[OrallyFixated]

Guess that depends on the woman. And the man who is asking.

[Asker]

Very true.

[Anonymous]

Yes
But in modern times there's a reason why men aren't dating as often
“Where have all the good men gone?”
there's a lot of bachelors and there's a good reason for it but i dont want to get banned on here for sayin why they aren't dating/gettingg married

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Heck yeah, a lot more than the men who have approached me in most cases.

[Asker]

That's unfortunate. I'm sorry that's happened to you.

[Asker]

Why should make an effort with you?

[Ez-Bri-Z]

You shouldn't and that isn't a knock on you, it's one on myself. Nobody should and yet they do and they say some really crude things thinking it is something any woman wants to hear. Those ones aren't worth anyone's time.

[Asker]

Yet many do feel this way. It's a proven fact that the squeaky wheel gets grease. The guy that pursues the woman has more success. But you're saying guys shouldn't.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Eventually it does work on someone, but I am not that someone. If someone is wanting to approach me it is because they are looking for something that isn't a sex thing. It better be something meaningful and understand that I come with challenges, but I can accept theirs too.

[Asker]

So you're worth it! but a guy shouldn't try because you don't like it because you assume it's for sex. On top of that you come with a lot of challenges.
Ok... that makes sense.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

I don't assume it, they say it. My messages on here alone are like

"Hi"

"Hi there"

"I think you're cute, I'd love to...(insert some sort of sexual imagery here)"

Like not even a name, just talking about sex. That gets old QUICK

[Asker]

So you take everyone at there word? I bet most of those (well I'll say males because a MAN doesn't say such a thing) are just trolling you.
I don't choose to believe every vile thing that your gender decides to post or message me on this site.
I'm only saying this because I'm trying to help you.

[SnakeBoop]

if you have to ask, then no.
we value men who know our worth ;) :)

[Asker]

Men value women who show their worth.

[RandomGuy1030]

Its not about women, its about dating. Dating is out dated, its from an era when just hooking up was a taboo.

[Asker]

Interesting theory... current data would support this. Thanks for your post.

[lrina]

it's worth it for some people, but not for others. there isn't a right or wrong answer.

[economy10]

Are you pulling up a fucking spreadsheet with pros and cons columns? Do you understand that having a uterus doesn't make you a different species? Do you ever feel embarrassed about your lack of self awareness?

[Asker]

Do you always post incoherently?

[economy10]

From the perspective of knuckle-draggers who hit their capacity for reading comprehension skimming The Very Hungry Caterpillar? Probably!

[Asker]

🤣🤣🤣

[Dchrls78104]

Historically, yes; but as for the modern woman, I'm not sure about that...

[robinsgroove]

the better question is, why does it require so much from you to get a woman to notice you lol. embarrassing.

[Dargil]

They want us to behave like peacocks. Showing off.

[Asker]

Lol a another youngin who measures her self worth by how many of the opposite gender find her attractive. How adorable. 🤣

[Asker]

OK now tell me how old I am and how unattractive that is. 🤣

[robinsgroove]

@Dargil showing what off? your comment karma? I promise you it's a lot easier to be noticed by a woman when you're not jerking yourself off to your own misogynistic comments on an online forum and if you actually went outside and spoke to one without the intent to fuck her. You could, just be like... normal?

[robinsgroove]

Really? Me? You're the guy on here asking if women are worth it, digging yourself a hole while crywanking. I don't think any of my responses are getting me brownie points from strange men online and I wouldn't want them to either. Hope you find the courage to leave the forums one day and interact with a woman in the real world!!

[Asker]

And you're the one triggered by said comment. If I don't matter why does this question upset you so much? Hun you expose yourself with your very answer. 🤣

[robinsgroove]

does saying "triggered" ever get you laid? it's really the only thing you seem to say to women lmfao

[Asker]

And there we get to it. So you're one of these women that think their pu**y is the end all be all of human existence. Honey if you think getting g laid is the pinnacle then I feel sorry for YOU.
I say triggered because you ARE or you would have answered the question rather than twisting it and trying to make it about me.

[Dargil]

Sorry that I annoyed you, Karen. Actually, I'm not.

[robinsgroove]

you're literally like 40 crying over something a "youngin" said to you online, how's that mortgage?

[Asker]

Who's crying I'm correcting a youngin as us old people often have to do.🤣
Mortgage?

[ninaneedshelp]

Are you worth the effort?

[Asker]

Lol someone's triggered.

[ninaneedshelp]

just saying

[Asker]

Just saying you're triggered? Yup we got it.

[ninaneedshelp]

not at all. But just asking you since you're up there in age and still wondering.

[Asker]

Yup old and wise. And it's so good to have such a youngin setting me straight. 🤣

[ninaneedshelp]

You sound like a jerk. That's all

[Asker]

Tell me are you changing your own diaper now as well? 🤣

[Asker]

Let me ask you this? Why does this trigger you so much? I mean do you really feel as a woman you owe nothing to a mate? Are you really that arrogant? Because if so you'd be able to answer such a question. But instead you choose the path of contempt. The very idea that a guy ask such a question. There really is no reason to get upset.

[ninaneedshelp]

I can see why no woman would want to talk to you

[ninaneedshelp]

I was asking you the same question you asked us. Only difference is you don't seem to think you should be asked the same question.

[Asker]

So you're NO ONE? Because you responding to me right now.
🤣
And you responding to every question by asking another question. While refusing to answer the initial question. Wow! You must be just the life of the party if you're always this hostile. 🤣
I have no problem answering your question. But why would I if you won't answer mine. Seems pretty clear you just want to argue.

[ninaneedshelp]

no just pointing out your double standards and rudeness

[Asker]

I have no double standards (at least not that you'd know). You can't even determine that because you're too butthurt by the question to even debate the subject. 🤣
I invite you to read some of the other exchanges. Others posters are able to have a civil conversation with me and not resort straight away to name calling an insults... hmm. I wonder why. Hopefully at some point you'll ponder this. Because this is how you grow as a person. By accepting g sometimes you're wrong.

[ninaneedshelp]

I'm not wrong, just witty lol

[Asker]

You misspelled "twit"

[msc545]

Not at all worth it. Most men only find this out after they've been screwed over a few times

[Lliam]

Not if you prefer boys.

[Asker]

That is the worst pickup line I've ever heard. I'm not into boys. But if I was I think I could do better than you. 🤣

[Lliam]

I was just stating the obvious. Any guy who negative views toward the female gender and doesn't think women are worth bothering with should just go find a boyfriend to hang out with. He obviously thinks men are more virtuous and fun to be around than icky ol' girls.

[Asker]

Whatever you got to tell yourself sugarbritches. 🤣

[Anonymous]

No. And neither are men.

[Asker]

Well at least you have a positive attitude. 🤣

[joeldalton]

They are if you want pussy.

[Asker]

Yes, but if that's the only reason you're doing it it isn't worth the effort. It would be much simpler to seek a prostitute.

[joeldalton]

that's still dealing with a woman, albeit a smoother transaction.

[Asker]

Yeah but one that is much more straight forward. You're not going to tolerate a prostitute who plays head games lol. You can just go buy some other woman's ass lol. As you said " albeit a smoother transaction".

[bamesjond0069]

Sex, cooking, cleaning, making babies, seems worth something.

[Anonymous]

To date? No. I love the women I know, they are great people same as the men. But I much rather be with my Renee doll than a complicated girlfriend

[anon1903]

Another omega bites the dust!

[Jacob01]

i'd like to know that question to.