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Nooo. I paid mine back, why should I help pay for the poor choices of others?
If you paid $50,000 a year for a degree in Community Studies, that is on you.
Only retarded countries shackle their citizens in debt especially for the trying to get an education and better their society. But thats good ole USA of America for you! 🤦🤦🤦
I can't believe how many people voted their is no hope for the brainwashed masses and sheep that advocate for their own oppression 🤦🤦🤦
Then don't go to college, dope.
Ok moron how about you live in the jungle and come back to civilization when you know you are more CIVILIZED? Fucking dumbass 🤦🤦🤦
@exitseven If what you say is true then why is the government trying to profit off it? or another question why is the government giving our tax money to all of these private outrageously priced schools? why are there no regulations on common goods and services like the educations system? oh i forgot because they made bribery legal and called it lobbying... 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@vald9inches while you're getting your useless degree and racking up 6-figure debt, some "uncivilized" man went to truck driving school for 6 weeks then started working for Walmart for $90k a year plus benefits. And you're brainwashed enough to call him a dumbass.
@vald9inches The way it works is that these kids sign on the dotted line and they are on the hook when they graduate. The government even prohibited these kids from declaring bankruptcy because one overly bright kid did just that., The colleges can raise their tuition costs because they know the kids will want to go anyway. They hire layer after layer of administrators for useless programs like diversity and comfort animals (I am not making this up). The cost of tuition had gone up muchfaster than th erate of inflation since thi sprogram had been in effect.
@exitseven oh trust me i know! the whole thing is scam! even the books they mandate are the same exact books they were the year before with one or two letters changed and charge $400 for them because they know they have a monopoly.
@joeldalton You are uncivilized not because you dont have a degree you are uncivilized because you are not civilized its in the damn name lol meaning that you are against policies that encourage cooperation and you advocate for survival of the fittest type of policies. So by that logic go live in the jungle where there is zero civilization and zero cooperation and you rely on your own strength to survive and let me know how you do! 😂😂😂
@vald9inches. Ok. Thanks since you’re civilized and are committed to working together, my car payment is $370 a month. I need you to help me pay for that.
@joedalton if you are serious about cooperation rather than competition then i suggest you start voting for socialist candidates and learning more about socialism. We can make our society much better for everyone and i promise you you will never worry about your car payment after that
@globetrotter22 its easier if we just talk here man lol also the point of these conversations is so that everyone can see them and hopefully learn from them
@vald9inches alright do you have legitimate sources the have verified data on how capitalist policy directly contributed to civilian murder and deaths?
Joseph Stalin was responsible for at least 3.3 million deaths through his communist purges back in the 30s. A million of these were direct executions and others were from neglect and famine.
en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Purges_of_the_Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union
@globetrotter22 I read that article and i did not see anywhere that 3.3 million were killed under Stalin or Stalinism. Also next time could you just quote the source instead of just listing it so i dont have to read the whole thing? lol But anyways why would you point to x dictator or leader as communism? It will be like if i said Trump is capitalism? it doesn't make any sense right? lol
@globetrotter22 There are so many things to choose from for the death toll of capitalism i dont know where to begin! lol But lets simply start by looking at global starvation. "Around 9 million people die every year of hunger and hunger-related diseases." - theworldcounts. com
So if capitalism started around the 16th century just by doing some rough math you would get around 4 billion people have died from starvation alone since 16th century because of capitalism.
www.theworldcounts.com/.../story
Capitalism causes world hunger? Than maybe you aren’t familiar with communist China’s “great leap forward”.
15 to 55 million people died from famine because of this communist policy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
@globetrotter22 oh common man please put some quotation i am not going to read an entire article hunting for one little thing lol
Also you keep citing x leader did x thing rather then debate the merits of the actual economic system. Thats not a good argument against Socialism or Communism what you are doing.
By definition it is not profitable in Capitalism to distribute free food. So the end result is food is thrown into the garbage if it doesn't get sold.
Each year, 108 billion pounds of food is wasted in the United States. That equates to 130 billion meals and more than $408 billion in food thrown away each year. Shockingly, nearly 40% of all food in America is wasted.
"Food goes to waste at every stage of food production and distribution - from farmers to packers and shippers, from manufacturers to retailers to our homes. Food waste in our homes makes up about 39% of all food waste - about 42 billion pounds of food waste. While commercial food waste makes up about 61% of all food waste or 66 billion pounds of food waste. Feeding America focuses on reducing food waste on farms and in food service, manufacturing, and retail." -feedingamerica. org
www.feedingamerica.org/.../reduce-food-waste
@globetrotter22 dude why did you go back to her comment keep it here lol
Like you said earlier no economic system is perfect because human beings are not perfect so we can never achieve "Utopia" but we sure as hell can do WAAAAAY BETTER than what we have now with capitalism. There is way too much suffering and starvation and lack of drinking water and greed and pollution happening under capitalism. I can go on and on with all the things wrong with capitalism and all the negatives it has had on the world and humanity but it would be a book and take to long to write it out here. And like i said before those few stories you hear of x person escaping x communist country are way overblown and are notoriously unreliable. Also its not a fair comparison to begin with because all socialist/communist countries are involuntary the enemy of the US so they impose countless crippling embargoes on those countries and punish any outside country that tries to trade with them. Not to mention the countless coups, assassinations, & protests the CIA attempts withing those countries. So now please address my critique of capitalism above regarding food waste...
I know food waste is a fucked up necessary evil that’s related to agricultural price control. But this is a study done on a capitalist country. Have there ever been any studies done on gross inefficiencies and disasters of central planned economies? Actually there has and I already mentioned it: China’s Great Leap Forward. This “agricultural collectivization” socialist initiative resulted in one of the worst famines in world history. At least 15 million people died because of it. At this all happened under the communist people republic of China (and let’s not forget their completely responsible for the fucking covid pandemic)
But again what exactly do you want? Free college tuition? So how is that going to be paid for?
Stop oversimplifying everything with this “capitalism is evil” bullshit. Yes it has drawbacks. But it also has enabled western countries to enable its citizens to have some of the highest standards of living in the world.
I do realize the middle class is shrinking and that’s scary. I do realize college tuition, healthcare, real estate cost, etc is skyrocketing. But that is much more complicated than just being a byproduct of “evil” capitalism. In fact state sponsored initiatives like Medicare and Fannie May student loans helps contribute to these insane price hikes to begin with.
Wow food waste is a "necessary evil" just wow... You really need to do some self reflection dude. You can see all the faults of capitalism yet you call it a necessary evil but you hypocritical fault an economic system of communism for it's inefficiencies on another economic system in a socialist country a single leader's poor judgment and planning. Not to mention it happened around 1960 before computers, information, and other technologies were ubiquitous. Who knows maybe if it happened today with all the technology we have today Mao would have been successful.
The difference is with all our current technology and advances capitalism is still grossly inefficient and wasteful because of the profit motive or as you call it "necessary evil"
My whole argument to begin with and to circle back is YES CAPITALISM IS AN EXTREMELY BLOODY SYSTEM! It has killed waaaaay more people than Socialism or Communism ever did or could.
@vald9inches Capitalism has brought the most wealth to the most people ever in the history of humanity. This is established fact. Communism and socialism are loser philosophies.
@joedalton did you not see how many people are starving around the world because of capitalism? And that's just starvation forget homelessness and lack of drinking water and instability caused by capitalism. You would have to be completely blind and brain washed to think "capitalism has brought the most wealth to the most people ever in history of humanity" as you said it. Where as socialism and communism aims to solve those very same problems but you call them "loser philosophies" so solving world hunger and poverty are loser philosophies to you? You really should reevaluate your humanity and priorities in life bro
@vald9inches I see even more starving from communism and socialism. How many are locked in thier homes right now, just in shanghai?
@joedalton trust me it's a hell of a lot more in capitalism! Lmfao 😂 you really don't understand economics do you? Also you seem to be confused almost as if you see something in the news about China and your brain automatically fills in the dialogue "oh me see bad things in China! Communism!" 🤦🤦🤦 Are you really that dumb or do I really need to explain the situation of what is happening around the world right now?
@vald9inches I don't understand economics? That's fucking rich coming from you. "something in the news" Right. Is it capitalism welding people in their apartments or communism?
@joeldalton god damn you are special aren't you? Dude its a fucking pandemic where have you been the last 2 years?
@vald9inches lmao. You think it's rational to weld people in their apartments? You're a fucking lunatic. Especially since this "pandemic" has a 99% survival rate.
@vald9inches @joeldalton nobody is going to agree on anything right now. So I guess we are all just wasting out time.
However I will say this @vald9inches. I’m actually in a financial crisis right now. Long story but I made a very poor financial decision 6 months ago and I’m paying for it. It’s going to take me 3-5 years of hard work and frugality to recover. I’m no kid either and this is doesn’t exactly help my dating game being a bachelor.
Truth is nothing would be nicer if someone would come along and bail me out. It’s easy to have wishful thinking that I’ll win the lotto, get a huge inheritance or have the government “bail” me out. But 1) I know that’s not going to happen 2) if someone did bail me out I would like embarrassed and like a irresponsible pos. 3.) this crisis is MY fault. I have to take personal responsibility to get out of it. If done it before in the past and I know I’ll do it again. I rode a bike for a year and half (before Uber took off) to help save money to pay off student loans 10 years ago. I’ll do it again.
You can’t just make stupid decisions in life and expect someone to save you. Now in some circumstances people might get help if they are making an honest effort to get out of debt. But there is a difference between a hand out vs. a hand up.
As for student loans there are three major factors that the left refuses to acknowledge:
1) College is really turning out to be a huge scam unless you know exactly what you want to do and/or get an education with an in demand hard skill. Just getting a degree in some bullshit subject with over 80k in debt is completely asinine.
2) Parents need to stop pushing their kids to go to college for the sake of going to college. This isn’t the 1970s
3). Why the hell are 18-19 year old kids getting issued huge loans when most banks wouldn’t lend them 10k at that age?
4). Colleges have exponentially increased tuition costs and for what reason? More useless administration? Fancy “resort” dorms and facilities? How many kids just go to college just to party?
You haven’t addressed any of that above. But anyway I don’t expect you to agree. But I’m sure as hell not going to fall for Bernie sanders sound bites with just blurting out “FREE college! FREE healthcare! Free free free”. Promising free shit is the oldest bs communist lie in the book to win votes and support. I’m not falling for it nor are most Americans.
@globetrotter22 look man you sound like a reasonable nice guy and you are all about accountability which i can easily respect and do! If everyone was accountable and ethical and humane like you try to be capitalism would not be a problem it is today. You have to ask yourself why is it that huge corporations get a free handout and bailout like what infamously happened in 2008 but you dont? Because the US government is not here to serve the people its here to serve the corporations because of legal bribery which capitalism incentivizes to do. All of these predatory institutions are built around basic life needs like education, housing, and healthcare because thats where all the people are they know everyone needs those things to survive and live. And of all the things we can buy in our lives those are the most expensive things that we have no choice in. I mean just look at other countries in the world and you will see the huge disparity between those countries and the US. People live longer happier lives else where in the world and actually have more people opening their own business then we do here in the US. Their housing and healthcare is more affordable they have better public transportation so you dont need to own a car to back and forth from work. Like you can actually live your entire life without ever owning a car think about that!
I highly recommend you watch this video and youtube channel just to get a hint at what is possible with little effort and humane and ethical social planning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxykI30fS54&t=2s
@vald9inches thanks for being open minded to my point of view. We are grown men and are supposed to use logic to debate. That doesn’t mean we will agree but more often then not I just see people trolling and yelling at each other. Yeah it feels great in the moment. But all that does is makes other person even more incalcitrant in their POV. In my opinion (you may disagree) this was a major factor why Trump won in 2016.
Anyway this poll was originally about student loan forgiveness. Instead of getting into ideological debates on capitalism vs. socialism/communism can we just focus on that issue first?
I do believe the younger generations are getting screwed in more ways than one by the way. But having a AOC bs quick fix is only going to make things worse.
When it comes to education why is that leftist never point the finger at the colleges themselves that charge astronómical tuition rates? Where is the justification for it? Colleges are supposed to be stewards to help young people prepare for the real world. But they themselves have gotten real “corporate” on how they charge tuition, pay Uber generous salaries and benefits to unnecessary admins, etc. But why don’t I hear democrats questioning this?
I watched that video about cars vs. máss transportation. I actually agree with some of that.
I wasn’t living in a mass transportation city when I road a bike for a 1.5 years. Inconvenient sometimes but overall I actually liked it. I also managed to get laid a few times (I was younger back then) lol.
I don’t like driving unnecessarily. Hate it.
@globetrotter22 I can definitely agree that there is a huge problem in the US with the education system or Housing or Health Care and i can definitely suggest things or ideas to fix the issue but i feel like without resolving the real underlying issue things will never get fixed and problems will come up else where in society. Th reason tuition is so high because there are a lot of unethical and unaccountable business leaders that only care about the bottom line and making their investors happy. I can suggest abolishing legal bribery aka Lobbying but i am sure when such huge amounts of wealth is concentrated at the top they will never let that happen or the will overturn and repeal it or bring it back in a different form using some loophole. They have enough lawyers and money to throw at it to make their way. In your heart you know what i am saying is true and makes sense. Thats why i try to put more energy into trying to create a new economic system for the modern day and future when automation and A. I. will make all of our jobs obsolete and if we are not prepared for that all hell will get loose and civilization and society might collapse or even worse we all go extinct.
Well it would help if these so called “people’s warriors” would practice what they preach and their followers would call out their hypocrisy. For example Bernie Sander became a millionaire by publishing a book ABOUT socialism. AOC complains the us government didn’t do enough for her abuela while she buys a Tesla (and never mentions a word about sending her abuela money for her damaged house). Nancy Pelosi lectures people on the evil on the rich when she has met worth of 20 million dollars and 20 grand fridge. Also don’t get me started on Hunter Biden.
But these people “get a pass” from the leftist media and their followers because they are saying the so called right things. The hypocrisy is disgusting
@globetrotter22 I honestly dont blame you for being confused the US political system and all the political parties and the whole god damn situation is one giant convoluted mess of propaganda and brainwashing. I am still suffering from its affects and its confusion till this day but i am slowly piecing all the puzzle pieces together and i can see the big picture now. We have to change as a species soon or we will live in a post apocalyptic Orwellian future or worse go instinct and say goodbye to life and everything we hold dear. There is an endless amount of resources out in space we just have to have the courage to go out into space and determination to become a civilized multi planet species.
I highly suggest you watch this video its very enlightening and explains a bit about the political situation in the US.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYbtHGt2Zco&t=5s
@globetrotter22 do you like Batman by the way?
@globetrotter22 Is Batman Capitalist (right) or Socialist (left)? A Conservative (Republican) or Centrist (Democrat) Does he belong to any party what are his beliefs? ↗
@vald9inches I watched that entire video and did my best to listen even though I think the narrators comments were very naive. Particularly towards the end when he starts idolizing Lenin and how the Soviet revolution was such a “good thing”. Some historians believe that Stalin killed more people than Hitler in aggregate.
Anyway I could easily go on with a word wall on this. But the bottom line is I’m not heartless. I’ve done countless hours volunteering and donating to the less fortunate throughout my life. There was also a time earlier in my life I felt semi sympathetic to some of the ideals pre Obama democrats had brought up. However I felt like radicalization started in his second term. I just see too many democrats who think racism = classism = sexism = homophobia and now equals “transphobia”. For example it’s now “transphobic” that school teachers can’t “teach” K-3 children about LGBTQ (plus half the alphabet) “identities”.
If you want to make changes you need to propose something much more simple and please avoid the ever so expanding labels, insults, intersectional “identity” labels and all the other crap. For example I am not against having basic community college that’s are very cheap or free for kids to get two years of college out of the way before transferring to a major university.
Anyway hard not to rant. But emotion needs to be removed from BOTH sides of the political argument in order to make progress. Needs to be something practical.
@globetrotter22 Also if you feel like there is a good video you want to show me by all means post it here as well i dont want this to be one sided conversation. I do not agree with a lot of these dividing debates regarding racism or gun ownership or abortion or trans gender issues. While a lot of them are heart felt and have merit on their own and have good intentions in the end thats what they are used for... to divide people. You will see a lot of these heated debates and inflammatory messages being broadcast on the news and media because they want to get people riled up and pit them against each other. Growing up in the states as in immigrant child one of the American ideals that wowed me and made me really believe in America was the phrase "United we stand, divided we fall"...
@globetrotter22 But america is now a shadow and a hollow shell of that ideal it has fallen far from grace and no longer is control of its destiny. What happened to we the people? What happened to all men & women are created equal? (Mind you this is also a communist tenet that all men and women are equal but somehow convinced everyone that communism is bad). You have to ask yourself who benefits from capitalism? The capitalist of course! And that is definitely not you or me and we will probably die before we ever become capitalist my friend. We sadly belong to the worker class and thus we will always be exploited by the capitalist for every ounce of productivity and be paid the absolute minimum they can get away with and good like unionizing! So the simple answer you are looking for is we have to fight for the working class and take the means of production so we can be in charge of our future and how we decide to live life and what is important to us as a society. And this will never happen unless we overthrow the capitalist. You won't believe me you will think this is all radical ideology or whatever but its the truth. We the people have to stand together and fight tyranny and people are starting to finally see it around them like what happened to George Floyd and other police brutality and abuse of power. Even Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press is being trampled upon. Please bro just keep an open mind and open your eyes and just look around you. The movie dont look up is a perfect movie to describe america's current political system the whole fucking thing is a shit show the whole thing is a fucking sport my team is better than you team! its fucking football!!
I actually do have a few videos to share and one is from Ben Shapiro that states direct facts about the United States income tax structure vs other countries. Are you going to be open minded to listening to Ben? The reason I didn’t post the link is most people on the left immediately dismiss him. But her argues with facts.
Anyway economics really cuts through everything I do mean everything. If we are ever going to get anywhere then we need to find a common denominator on all of this. In order for that to happen both sides needs to listen to facts and be willing to make compromises. Need to understand the other sides POV and respect it (and you can respect a POV even though you disagree with it).
You seem reasonable so I can post a few videos if your down to watch them. I also have a few things to say about the George Floyd (I was living with black people when this happened by the way). But for the time being I recommend sticking to economics.
I have seen some of Shapiro's videos while I agree with him on some subjects I mostly disagree with him on others. But yeah if you have any videos go ahead and paste them.
The common denominator for all of us is maslow's hierarchy of needs put simply. If we ignore these needs for anyone of our brothers and sisters around the world society begins to crumble.
Also if you don't mind go to my question about batman I curious to know what you think about his beliefs
I agree these new student loans should be forgiven new rules be set. And whoever takes the financial loan will go through classes on how to set us up a budget to live upon.
It should depend how expensive your school was and what kind of grades you got when you graduated. If you got straight As then yes it should be forgiven.
Nah, D's get degrees. Sometimes with highest honors.
Yeah well your GPA gets tracked I am just saying if someone got straight As or even a high gpa their loans should be then forgiven.
Nah, the parents can put on a bumper sticker touting their off spring genius who will proudly pay off their debt and buy a half a million dollar house in 10 or 12 years.
The whole thing is a dumpster fire. The underlying causes of high tuition need to be dealt with or this will get even worse.
Or maybe just let people with hundreds of thousands in student loan debt file for bankruptcy protection?
I think they need to be restructured and have an interest limit, and a limit on how many years the interest can build.
If they want to forgive student loans, then they better be willing to pay for the education of people that didn't go to college
A certain cap of loans should definitely be forgiven. Otherwise we're looking at tons of people crippled with debt who can't even start families.
a certain amount might be ok yea
@007kingifrit a kid who went to a local state school is def different from someone who wanted to live on campus 500 miles from home
sure let’s forgive my mortgage and car loan, first.
None of these options is really appropriate. I don't think all loans should be reduced to zero but they should be reduced to something less than extortionate.
Yes, only to some borrowers (rich kids don't qualify). With all the money the U. S. has given to other nations, that would have canceled the student debt X10 over.
You like me knew what we were doing signing the papers. If they forgive your loans, I want mine forgiven too and a complete refund issued to me for the whole amount.
No coz the debts owed will just get shifted to other taxpayers, one way or another.
Only once paid in full nobody told you to spend 100,000 for sociology degree just to become a professional useless person and whine about ageism and systemic racism being to blame for your bad choices
you can't allow some and not everyone , that is discrimination and if not because of someone being white , racism. Not to mention millions of lawsuits.
no, you took out a stupid loan, deal with it.
i will support banning interest payments on student loans though
let this be a warning to the next generation. don't take out student loans
Taking out a loan isn't a crime or a sin. It's a contract. They're nothing to be forgiven. Honor your contract. Pay up!
No. Who's gonna pay for it? Where do you think all thus inflation is coming from?
In short "No".
Because there really is no such thing as loan forgiveness. In loan forgiveness the loan is still being paid. Just not the person who took out the loan.
Yeah, for poorer borrowers. Economics 101. Recession or inflation, give relief to poor consumers.
It's a Democrat lie. Think of all the foolish entitled d bags that thought their votes would get them the biggest freebie that would never happen.
$25 million sent to Pakistan for gender studies. During a year in which tens of millions of Americans were forced out of work. America first. Fuck everyone else.
Fix the problem first. Loans are to easy to get and schools charge much. Make the schools payback loans.
Stop going to school and just start a business. The backdoor is always open and less crowded.
No, but I DO think they should be dischargable in bankruptcy. Then the borrowers need to declare bankruptcy and deal with the consequences.
No, raise your kids to be smart and not get themselves in debt
No, college is a choice, no one but yourself should pay for something that is completely optional.
Should my house note be forgiven? If you endure the note you should pay it.
No this is very stupid idea, a better way to fix this would be government making deals with/asking companies to hire people with student load debt so they can work and pay it off themsleves.
Yes. Student Loans was a scam from the 70s. This bandage needs to be ripped clean off.
No. Are you also going to pay back all the people who paid it off already?
No, why should my tax dollars pay for their gender studies degrees.
Thank God my father paid for my school. I see many people struggling to pay off the debt. I know a doctor he told me I paid off at 35 or something.
That's pretty good considering they are in school and training for like 11 years.
its all a lie
I want nothing to do with that crap
They should never be there to begin with.
Unless all debt is forgiven, I say no. Otherwise you're just transferring debt to someone else.
First year of tertiary is free here
Not forgiven but they should be lower/no interest.
Hell no!
Pay for your own education.
How about we make education affordable?
Fuck no! That is a libtard concept to buy votes.
@vald9inches
1. You moronic Dimocrats were the slave owners, but you don't really want to talk about that.
2. You moronic Dimocrats started the KKK, but you don't really want to talk about that.
3. Republicans fought a war to free the slaves, but you don't really want to talk about that.
If you are a total dead-beat, then just don't sign at the bottom of the loan. Simple. Don't be a libtard that takes the money, and then cries about having to follow through with having to pay back the loan.
Lmfao deleted my comment 😂😂😂
@vald9inches
Normally you're a nice guy. But I don't take shit from anyone on this site.
I'm shocked the mods haven't deleted my account, because most of them are morons.
Treat me with respect, and I won't delete you. I spend most of my time on similar worlds.
The mods are paid and have brains.
Well when you are anon i can't really see who you are can i? But why are you anon anyways? If your answer is not so controversial there is no need to be anon right? You are right i am usually a nice person but certain topics do get me heated especially that deal with human abuse and when i see other human beings that advocate for abusive policies and only think about themselves and say things like they deserve x thing because they "chose" to be that way or something along those lines. Like those starving African children deserve to be homeless and starving because they don't work hard enough. No human being deserves to suffer in any circumstance ever. We are all brothers and sisters in this world and we need to start acting like it and stop dividing ourselves over petty differences and greed
@vald9inches
If I was non-anon and you went after me, I'd block you.
Go after you how? Lol
@vald9inches
I deleted that comment, but I'm sure you will deny making it. I will debate anyone about politics, but if you think you're going to attack me like the jerks from the UK, then you're sadly mistaken.
Oh you mean my comment earlier. And i forget what was so bad about it? All i said was libertarians are mostly right winged? And you have that mixed up but i do agree libertarians are retarded along with republicans lol
So how is that so different than what you said?
@vald9inches
Did I reply to you, or did you reply to me? Think about that. I don't care about your opinion about politics, but just don't post it over my opinion. Too many people do that on this site, and that's probably why the site is nearly dead.
I mean this site is all about conversing and debating ideas so i do not see a problem with that. Also i was correcting you on your definitions? Its not political opinion?
@vald9inches
Okay.
at least make them interest free
Never.
So you would rather be shackled in debt FOREVER?
If you take out a loan you should pay it back like a responsible adult.
Sure if the loans are reasonable and the promise of a decent job after you graduate was fulfilled but thats not the case is it? 😉
I never had the promise of a decent job when I took out my student loans. I had to go find it on my own.
education should be free
No that's bullshit🐂💩
Yeah they’re kids
That does not absolve the school for issuing a loan to someone for something that was unlikely to be repaid and providing the failed product.
Until the school assumes some responsibility for both miss-judgements they will continue to charge the student and whoever else pays the bills an ever growing amount of time and money for an ever less valuable product.
I went to college in 90s I still have them things
Very sad!
1000%
So what do you say to people who did NOT college that they have to pay more taxes for those who did?
There are only 2 parties responsible for this situation, The university that issued the loan and failed 'education' and the ignorant kid who agreed to both.
We the tax payer have only contributed to this scam in making it financial possible now by funding said loans directly, which pay the school upfront for questionable "services".
@monorprise it’s one thing if I see naive kids 19 to 25 agreeing to this crap. Quite another when I see grown ass adults 30 and over supporting this. Smdh.
@globetrotter22 I agree if you took the loan over 25 which is the age when people's brains finally finish developing your entirely on your own.
That does not absolve the school for issuing a loan to someone for something that was unlikely to be repaid and providing the failed product.
In any other business that school would share much of the financial responsibility for both misjudgements, instead they got it shifted on we the Tax payer by our politicians.
This is the real problem, until the school assumes some responsibility for both miss-judgements they will continue to charge the student and whoever else pays the bills an ever growing amount of time and money for an ever more less valuable product.
no not at all
You'll need to work for them
Instead education should be low cost like Germany
No, hell no.
Yesss
Yes, they should be.
I think yes.
No, stop taking them
Nope.