
For those pro lifers out there, are you OK with being forced to adopt children that you don’t want?


I am one hundred % pro life for me me only
I know an eighteen-year-old girl who lives in the Philippines since she was 8 years old she's been living with whoever would take her in
She's had a hard life.
The only thing that she cares about it's finishing school
Become better than her parents
She's always had to take jobs here and there to get money to buy food
No matter what she's been through in life she fights to become the best person that she can be.
Last year she was raped
She has no money she has no medical
All she wanted in my was too finish school and succeed get a good job do whatever it takes live a better life someday get married have kids
In the Split Second all that was taken away from her she asked me what she was going to do she doesn't want a baby she can't even take care of herself she doesn't even know the guy he said for he stunk he was dirty she said he was a pig
she said she had done some research there was a pill that she could take she had to take 12 of them and there is no guarantee that you would have worked the baby because three hundred bucks I told her to send me the information she did I've read about it and I said you should be in the hospital when you do this she doesn't have health insurance I said I want you to think about it I cannot tell you what to do you have to do what you think is right for you she begged me for the money I told her okay on one condition she had to tell a friend she had to have a friend with her at all times she promised me she would
I sent her the money she got the pills she took them and she waited and waited 24 hours everything I've read about these pills told me it was basically a chance that she might not make it it also said that sometimes the first 12 pills don't work with some people she would have to take another dose I sent her another $300 she got the other pills she took them she was losing a lot of blood she had no food I told her friend to go to the store right now and by red meat play fruits by vegetables she needed to get her vitals back up she was losing red blood cells I told her I would send her 300 bucks again needed food and she needed it right now it took another day and a half for the abortion my friend was delirious she had lost so much blood he was blacking out I told her friend to go buy all vitamin Bs and a bunch of other thing
To make things worse she sent me a picture of the fetus I threw up right there
Even though I am pro-life if a woman this forced was raped is she got pregnant it's her choice and her choice only what she does and for anybody who thinks this is an easy task I would say think again because everything that happens they will live with it for the rest of their life so I say it's nobody's fucking business except for the women's or the girls at what she does and what she wants to do
The question it was asked is a valid question I can give you my answer no I would not because even I would look at that child and think about how it came into this world forced to be here without any say whatsoever because of a selfish Pig of a man if you can call him that a man decided he was more important the damage one person does
Even though I'm a pro-lifer for me and me only I will stand right in front of any woman that has been raped or forced into doing something that she did not want to do and I will fight to protect her right to do what she wants to do whether I know her or not that's how much I believe in it
whether it's right whether it's wrong it's none of my business. Until Somebody makes it my business and tries to force that girl or that woman into something else and she does not want to do
I love how liberals insist on their skewed thinking of every position they take. My point: "... being forced to adopt children..."
WHY should adoption be "forced"? Given the current adoption process and Gov't scrutiny every adoptive parent goes through, "forced adoption" is simply another idiotic liberal idea that's screwed up from the onset. This is their idea how pro-life individuals should respond to all unwanted pregnancies, and another excuse to justify aborting (killing) unborn babies!
Liberals need to focus on several things:
1. Personal responsibility. Women just don't get pregnant drinking the water. In fact, the left refuses to accept personal responsibility for just about everything they do.
2. Pregnancy prevention rather than using abortion as birth control. God knows, there's multiple contraceptives available. Better still, don't have sex until after you're married!
3. TRUTH. R v. W is their "sacred cow". OMG... IF... yeah IF, the SCOTUS overturns that decision, it doesn't mean abortion absolutely stops (unfortunately). There will STILL be multiple liberal states that insist on killing babies right up to the point of birth AND even allow infanticide (as illegal as that is!) to satisfy their blood lust!
How many children have you adopted? How many have you fostered? Do you know many children are put into the foster care system each year? Do you know how many of those children suffer physical and sexual abuse while in the system? What about how many women die in relation to pregnancy each year? Do you know how many women die each year from the side effects of birth control? Do there lives matter? What about the 14 year old girl who get's pregnant? What about her life?
Lets take a step back and look at it this way. If you were holding a bowl of 4 embryos in one hand and an infant in your other and you and to drop on to save the other... which would you drop?
So your answer is to terminate pregnancies for most of those questions?
A woman's body is uniquely designed to handle pregnancy. Pointing out that "some" women die from that means nothing. Some men die each year from walking too, so the statistic that an EXTREMELY few number of women die from pregnancy is somehow important to a pro-abortionist? I guarantee you for every abortion, it's not the woman's life that's endangered, it the unborn baby.
Your "what about..." questions are pointless too. You're so damn willing to forget that abortion is about killing the unborn, that somehow these other things are more important to focus on.
WHY is abortion... killing babies... SO DAMN important to liberals? WHY? Especially since abortion clinics are disproportionately located in minority areas?
The REAL truth is this is something Margaret Sanger pushed 90+ years ago, and Democrats LOVE the idea of controlling blacks and Latinos. Abortion IS a racist system to kill off or at least control the black population.
Nope, my answer is the right to be able to make that choice and not be forced into sacrificing your body and your heath against your will. You can't be forced to donate or let someone else to use your body parts against your will, organs cannot even be taken from a corpse without prior consent, so why should women be forced to?
It's about the right to chose. If you had to chose between a toddler and a bowl of embryos, and you could only save one. Which would you chose?
What kind of argument is that? Name me one scenario where someone’s had to make that decision
@WhiteBoyChill It's not an argument, it's a question. Which would you chose?
I don’t consider it to be much of a valid question if that’s not a situation people ever find themselves in.
@WhiteBoyChill Okay here is a valid one,
What about an 11 year old child's life, or a fetus?
If you could only save one which one would you save?
The fck you talking about? Is there any real world situation where that might be a decisioj I have to make?
If you said something like save an 80 year old or save a 4 year old from drowning you’d at least have an argument…..
I was asking you about a situation where I MIGHT have to make that decision.
So unless you’re the type of person who believes men can get pregnant
@WhiteBoyChill its a hypothetical. Let's say you had a daughter and she was in this situation and had to chose... who would you chose?
Your "right" to choose is what? That you choose to kill that baby? That you choose NOT to fulfill YOUR responsibility to raising a child? That you choose to do whatever you'd like, EXCEPT deal with pregnancy?
You see, the only one who gets to "choose" in YOUR scenario is YOU! That baby has no choice except to die at your discretion. That's an exceptionally selfish choice to make. This is what pro-abortion people are demanding, and there's absolutely NOTHING in the Constitution that gives you that right.
I keep hearing y'all chant, "My body, my choice!". Thats all fine for YOUR body, but you're making that decision to purposely and negatively affect the other body inside you. That body gets NO choices, and NO say in their life!
@Subarugirl. Yeah, let's just forget ever holding women accountable for their bad decisions... why break tradition.
@Subarugirl. "What if aliens came down, had a wild orgy with underage girls, got them pregnant with alien seed...".
We know, every girl was "raped ", every girl was "abused", every man is "evil", yadda yadda yadda.
@KrakenAttackin That's not how it works hon... Im not the one who thinks kids should be forced into life threatening situations that are totally preventable. You are talking about life-threatening situations that won't ever effect you.
Weirdly the newest Supreme Justice can't even define what a woman is now she is bent over a woman's right to choose. I mean for instance say a trans woman impregnated a baby carrier or in lay terms a female. Do they now both have the right to choose? What if one chooses to kill it and the other chooses to keep it? Is it then "her" choice too? I mean cutting the trans woman out of that choice seems kind of trans phobic. Then if they do have the choice to end another human beings life then why isn't it OK to end the life of fetuses that have down syndrome or autism. We have tests can predict it fairly accurately. Yet lefties get big mad that Iceland has virtually eliminated down syndrome by terminating the pregnancy due to the child's mental defects. I mean does choosing to abort because the child will be born with disabilities. Does it make the mother a abelist? or does she still have the right to choose not to be burdened by a autistic child? I mean there seems to be some big questions that need to be sorted out by the left before they just jump right to the killing.
Forced? Do you know how many people couples actually want to adopt, but have trouble adopting.
Adoption is a hard, costly process. What you think people can just say, "hey we want a baby"and then it's "oh okay, here you go here's the baby you want"
Yeah, that's not how it works, people can wait years to be able to adopt a child, some never get the child they wanted... While others have abortion after abortion, cuz hey it's their choice🙄 still don't get why people think abortion is a better choice than birth control, condoms, or no sex🙄
If that were the case why are there over 400 thousand children in the foster care system and 250 thousand going in every year?
Maybe because of strict adoption laws in the US.. could also ask why so many couples end up adopting from another country with less strict adoption laws🤔
@Brainsbeforebeauty. Spot on correct.
In the South we have a problem with feral hogs. Killing the females is essential to reduce the population. Would that work with people?
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I'm morally pro-life and legally pro-choice. I know you're trying to make a point, but we're not even certain that the released draft is the Supreme Court's final decision. However, if it is, this is *actually* what's going to wind happening: Women will travel, if necessary, to exercise their right to choose in liberal states, which will likely loosen restrictions on late-term abortions (because the leaked draft cites "states' rights"... that means ALL states, not just the more conservative ones), and the frequency of late-term abortions will increase over time. It's going to wind up working in a backfired way. The only people who will benefit from this decision are those who are hard-core abortionists once liberal states eventually change their pro-choice laws to pro-abortion laws. Will Texas and maybe a few other low population states completely ban abortions? Possibly. However states like California, Illinois, Michigan, New York, and Massachusetts will be ready to be all too accommodating, and those are the states where the most abortions are already occurring.
It’s year 2022 where we have so many advanced methods of contraception and somehow we are arguing as if it’s the early 1900’s with no other options of birth control except celibacy or a coat hanger. Women have more rights and options than ever in any point in history and yet we are caught on this hill of aborting living babies because it empowers women? It’s disgusting and the whole Roe v Wade was never constitutionally protected EVER. The woman who started the issue ended up fighting against abortion. It’s so ridiculous. Worst case, just go to California or New York where you can abort a baby up to 9 months or whatever. It doesn’t BAN abortion. It gives the authority to the states. So if you don’t live in a state where abortion is legal, JUST MOVE!!! Trying to make an argument about taking in an infant is a strawman. Look at how many people are pro-illegal immigration yet would never host one. How about women just start being responsible with who they have sex with and be prepared with contraception instead of relying on government funded abortion clinics? You want to teach kids gender pronouns and homosexual identities but not safe sex and contraception practices? It’s seriously baffling how hypocritical and inane this situation is. People just need to move on.
Do you know how many women die from birth control side effects each year?
You know how many babies die from abortion?
You know 1 in 4 pregnancies end in a miscarriage right? That over nearly 300,000 women die per year from pregnancy related issues. Guess their lives don't matter to you, of the lives of the people who depend on them... just the embryo. But hey if you want to force teenagers and young into being a parent that they aren't ready to be.. you should adopt them.
Yes you are right, I should adopt those teenagers and teach them about birth control. It literally saves lives.
Or teach them about a fertile window. Women can only get pregnant through that time period unless they are extremely fertile. It’s called education. This Subaru girl is getting on my nerves too. I mean makes since. She’s obvi a liberal given she drives a fucking subaru
@Tomboy5249 I work for Subaru honey, and do you even l work how long sperm can survive inside the vagina and goth out googling it?
Yes. That’s why they have apps to track when you ovulate and when your most fertile. And there’s something called tied tubes. You can always untie them or just don’t fuck if you’re not emotionally or physically ready for all aspects of it
@Tomboy5249 birth control isn't 100% and a lot of doctors will refuse to sterilize people. I know from first hand experience.
Birth control is actually 99.9% on everything. Imagine if it were like the vaccine with only 40% efficacy or less? Then I’d agree with you. But it’s not. Almost all forms of birth control, even pulling out has very high success rate.
I got pregnant while I was on birth control. I know plenty or women who has had their birth control fail. I also know plenty of women who have had to suffer through the horrible side effects of birth control
I’m guessing since it was unexpected you killed your child? Everything happens for a reason
Everything I hear coming from you is excuses for your point to matter I’m done waisting my time with a judgmental person who thinks life should cease to exist. I’ve dealt with a narcissist before but man you must have no life to keep arguing on this topic. I wish to god I can get pregnant considering I was on depo for 4yrs, and now I’ve been off for 2 I can’t even get pregnant 😂yeah I wish birth control wasn’t 100% effective
@Tomboy5249 Actually my son is almost 5. I am thankful that I had a choice.
See aren’t you glad you had that experience? Why tell other women it isn’t worth the sacrifice? Why hate on it so much? Having a child you should know how hard it would be if you had to give it all up. So why be so heartless on here?
@Tomboy5249 Because I would have rather died then be forced into that decision. I'm not hating on anything other than stripping women of their bodily autonomy. I am not being heartless.. I am saying that I have experienced this situation first hand, I was your age when I got pregnant and married... the thing is that was my choice to make. How would you feel if you were in the same situation and didn't have that choice?
What do you mean not have a choice?
@Tomboy5249 the choice to make chose which medical procedures you would like preformed?
For birth or to decide if you want what was meant to happen?
@Tomboy5249 the ability to make a choice regarding your own body.
Everyone has a choice regarding their own body. Really and truly before you start fucking and even wondering if you want a child you’re supposed to see a doctor. They then can tell you all you really need to know as far as if you’d have complications during intercourse or birth or whatever. That step should be made first. Then when it comes to getting pregnant there are options if it wasn’t planned. Adoption is amazing bc a lot of family’s cannot have kids. Now as far as getting an abortion bc it’s inconvenient ain’t it. Life’s inconvenient but we don’t all kill ourselves. Many people who are good would rather the baby survive and themselves die. Thats the unselfish people who isn’t all about “me” we can go back and forth on this but I have a life your opinion is yours but as far as I’m concerned what I’ve learned from you is if it’s an inconvenience kill the baby and live life I won’t ever do that I’ll die knowing I brought a precious living breathing human being in the world if it’s the last thing I do bc life is amazing but since some generation decided to started saying everyone’s voice matters there’s too many opinions in the air and it’s pointless. Back in the day had it so much better I now believe I should’ve grown up in the 1970s-1990s.
@Tomboy5249 my bigger concern is the child I already have.. not an embryo
@Tomboy5249 you realize that abortion rates were waayy higher back then right?
That’s completely untrue 😂 abortion was reaching almost 1 million REPORTED each year. That’s just in America. We had 19 kids killed in school and America is turned upside down but almost a million abortions each year and we are supposed to be proud because it was the mothers choice.
I'm afraid that you are sorely miss informed.
Both the CDC and Guttmacher show significant recent drops and sustained drops over the last 25 years.
Total abortions dropped 28.8 percent from 1998 to 2019 with the CDC, and fell 46.4 percent from 1990 to 2017 with GI.
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63.5 million abortions 😂 honestly it probably has a lot more to do with advancements with contraception than anything else.
Abortions peaked at nearly 1.6 million in 1990 and have been going down ever since... thanks to advancement in sex education and birthcontrol…. so I don't know where you are getting your information from but it's wrong.
Pro lifers only care about fetuses. They don’t care about the baby once it’s born and they don’t care about potential harm it would cause the women carrying said fetus. Pro-life movements are so toxic.
I count no less than 3 logical fallacies in your argument.
@DarkWinterNights only because you can't refute them...
@Still-alive, That’s the point of logical fallacies.
@DarkWinterNights so point them out... lets see it
@DarkWinterNights if you care so much. How a many kids have you adopted or fostered? What have you done to help?
@Still-alive,
“Pro lifers only care about fetuses. (Appeal to Hypocrisy) They don’t care about the baby once it’s born (Hasty Generalization) and they don’t care about potential harm it would cause the women (Red Herring) carrying said fetus. Pro-life movements are so toxic.”
@DarkWinterNights ok do you care about the baby once its born?
i don't see anything false in that statement despite these 'logical fallacies' you found.
@Subarugirl, I would love to adopt, and I might in the future if I ever settle down with someone. Unfortunately the wait list is long and very expensive. Luckily the company I work for matches donations to non-profits and adoption and pet rescue centers are on the top of my list.
@DarkWinterNights so you company donates... that's great. It doesn't cost anything to foster though.
@Subarugirl - no they wouldn't. And they most certainly wouldn't adopt a disabled child or a child of drug addicts, etc. Anything that may bring perceived shame to their family. Where I was a child in Canada the town had a very bible-thumper (aka prolife) attitude and the foster care homes were swamped with such children. Weren't aborted but tossed aside like trash instead.
Which makes the hypocrisy of their bitching about choice - when most abortions are for rapid, insect and disabilities / mother at harm - all that more pathetic. As they judge when, if god does exist, the Bible says man has no right to judge others. ... So if heaven and hells exists it's the judging prolifers who'll be getting a nice crispy tan at life's end.
And, if someone you cared deeply about was raped and got pregnant, would you be okay with her walking around with an unwanted baby born out of hate inside of her, or having to take care of it once it was born?
How about if her Dr. told her that having the baby would very likely kill her and probably the baby? Would be ready to let her take that risk?
That MUST be like a very slow torture for her!! Without knowing it could kill her, she got pregnant and THEN was told she's gonna die if she goes full term, THEN is told she CAN'T do the one thing that'll save her life!! She just has to walk around for the next 8 months, or so KNOWING, she's only GOT those few months to live!! And, how would HE feel knowing that his great love for her actually killed her?
I KINDA know how my ex-fiance felt when her ex-hubby got her pregnant and it was a stillborn and she said she walked around like a zombie for the last few months knowing that she had this dead baby inside of her!!
The same people who are pro life bitch when parents are on welfare. Those same people would rather do the Christian thing and put them in the catholic church to be molested. They should be required to adopt the kids. Religious groups want to say save a life but they don't want to help in any other way. Someone commented whoring. What about rape and incest? What about the baby killing the mother during birth. So with that comment I agree to a point if someone isn't taking precautions and getting pregnant over and over with the mindset of oh I will just abort it. Yes those people are fucked up.
That’s an oxymoronic question…. The word forced and adopt referencing the same behavior is nonsensical. Adoption is a choosing or preference for, whereas, Forced is involuntary. One can not be forced to a preference. A preference is a choice where being forced is mandated. One can not be “mandatorily made to Adopt”
—What are you trying to say? It’s better to kill them than let them live because the living Being is a negative pull on society? I believe that you think only you have the right to Life…
Obviously, have nothing but Stupid to contribute to a conversation. There are just as many women against abortion. And, it’s premeditated murder. You and those be like you have made the woman’s womb a Adolf Hitlerian Gas Chamber. I don’t have time for Stupid. Go be dumbass with someone else.
Good idea. Pro-lifers should be required to adopt at least one child. More, depending on their income level. Let them put their money where their mouths are.
Don't even give them a choice about which child. Just show up and say "Here you go. This one is yours." Let's see how much these hypocrites actually care about human life.
I will agree to adopt a child if every liberal make gets a vasectomy.
No one forces anyone to adopt a child. If someone is even interested in adopting they have to go through several steps. And as far as abortion it should never be a thing. Everyone deserves to have an opportunity for a better life and go down a different path. Just bc the parent is fucked up doesn’t mean the child is. If a woman decides to have one it’s her choice. But abortions aren’t really good for females. But as far as forcing. For a person to adopt they have to send in a application and go through procedures on their own free will and their own spare time. Also the cost is a lot for adopting. But adoption also gives couples who can’t conceive a chance to be parents.
Women literally die from pregnancy and labor all the time, not to mention those who will be left with permanent heath issues they will have to deal with for the rest of their lives
That’s literally with an abortion too. Not to mention if it’s your time to go it’s your time to go. Everyone has a destiny or whatever and honestly everyone woman who who isn’t selfish would rather die in childbirth than kill their child. That’s the whole relationship with a parent and child. It’s not like women are going extinct either. It’s a circle of life. Every second a child is born someone dies. Get over it.
Oh so those lives don't matter? Or the lives that person is responsible for... just the fetus that isn't even viable before 20 weeks of gestation. So you would totally be okay with being forced to sacrifice your, body parts, health or even you life for someone else against your will?
Number one. You can only get pregnant during your fucking fertile window. It’s called ovulation and that means your fertile. Don’t have fucking sex and think there isn’t consequences. And if you get pregnant another time your over fertile. Tie your damn tubes. If you get raped. Idc what you do. Honestly this topic is a crock of shit. Who tf cares I’m so sick of this shit kill the fucking life that’s being created or don’t. It ain’t my damn like and honestly the world won’t be here much longer. It’s simple. Don’t want a kid do what you need to prevent it if you can’t handle not getting dick. If your raped and traumatized then do what you want this topic is so over talked about I’m sick of it. people need to mind their own business
Exactly mind or own fucking business. You can do what ever you want with your own body, but you don’t get a say in mine.
I don’t have to go to bed at night knowing I ended a life before it even started 🥱so my life is already better 😁so gladly
Neither do I sweetie. And I don’t have to go to bed knowing I’m a controlling, judgmental bitch, who would rather make someone suffer than support access to health care
Here’s the thing. There’s many things to do to find out how your body will handle pregnancy and you only have 10 days out of the month to get pregnant. Don’t have sex 🤷♀️Tie your tubes until you're ready. Killing kids bc it’s illegal is sick. And I am a bitch and I own that shit, judgmental ofc when it comes to killing, as far as controlling haha I can’t force someone to do what they don’t wanna do. I only recommend and clearly my words have a impact on you if you’re still arguing with me
no such think as pro life, they are anti choice and as such should be quite happy to do something they dont want to do
@Subarugirl When babies get murdered do you ever get shocked by that? In the womb out of the womb Murdering a baby is Murdering a baby. I accidently become a father and I took responsibility and we had a second by choice then I had a vasectomy. You should have been more careful.
And if I was raped and got pregnant then what?
Most abortions occur during the first trimester. Abortion rates are also the lowest they have been in decades. A fetus is not a baby, but I’d you want to force children into having a baby they cannot financially support than you should adopt them
@Sparks32 - most people who say this would never ever raise a severely disabled child but dumb it on the closest foster home's doors. I know this very well having grown up in a very bible-thumber area in Canada as a child. The foster homes were overrun with disabled children that the "parents" - a joke calling them that - didn't want.
I can't say I'm pro-life or pro-choice as I'm pro-states rights and if a state legalized it, I'm okay with that. If your state outlaws it, then fight to change it. Easier to do on the state level anyways.
Although last I heard there is a 2-3 year waiting list to adopt newborns... so doesn't sound like there will be needing force them on anyone to adopt.
I have 3 adopted siblings. Their biological parents were drug addicts, maybe they should've been aborted. They are literally bastards and act like ones a lot, but I still love them as siblings. I'm glad they're alive today. Abortion is reprehensible. <3
So you’re totally OK with sacrificing your body, your health, and your life, against your will?
@Subarugirl, Many of us didn’t have a choice with the vaccine mandates. Neither were we responsible for needing them in the first place.
Is doing the right thing worth a sacrifice?
Planned Parenthood was started by Margaret Sanger with the goal to control black population in the US through abortion. We would've had 63 million+ more people here had it not been for abortion. Those are people that would've been inventors, doctors, and taxpayers. One of those aborted children could've grown up to cure cancer or develop some new kind of green energy or your favorite music album. We'll never know, because of all that wasted life and potential.
So you’re OK with sacrificing your body, your health, and your life, against your will?
You just copy/pasted your first question.
You never answered the question.
I saw it was irrelevant as I am not biologically a "birthing person."
It would be a non issue who don't care and a plus for for rapist. Temporary foster care has a disturbing amount of sexual abuse. All the bs about Disney being groomers is a smokescreen to actual rapist getting unlimited access to children.
It's crazy to me.
Not a direct response to your question, but these words will ring true in modern society for longer than any of us will be around.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/fmMvsAjCkogDoesn't make sense when there are plenty of couple who do want to adopt. The whole argument is just to extreme, and politicians use people's emotional charges, against them.
It's either enslaving women or hacking open a baby's face with an ax. Neither of these are sane positions. Protect the life of the mother if she's in danger, otherwise take the baby to term and give it to someone who wants it, because someone does.
Tell that to the over 400 thousand children in the foster care system, and the 250 thousand that go in each year
Do you suggest life never being created ever again? Is that your solution? Man you must really hate kids. Clearly we should kill every infant even if the couple wants it right? Is that your fucking idea? In fact fuck the Subaru. Get a diesel and throw plastic in the ocean and go ahead and destroy all life on planet and get it over with
You forgot that they only care about abstract concept of an unborn child. Not actual living children in the fostercare system.
I wouldn't count on it. Pro-lifers tend to hop the borders to get procedures done if they've been inconvenienced. It's very much a "rules for thee, not for me".
There wouldn't be orphans or orphanages if women stopped opening their legs to every chad that comes their way.
Along with owning up to being a parent.
I see you're still trying argue against people taking responsibility for the actions that they chose to take.
She chose to have sex, she knew the risk.
She drove fast, (crashes into someone) she knew the risk. (Kills innocent person) (goes to jail for it)
Poked a bear with a stick. (Gets mauled)
Let’s start at the beginning… a guy ejaculates inside a woman….. where is his responsibility here? Why didn’t he wear a condom or get vasectomy? If she doesn’t want to be a mother should he have to take his child? A woman can only get pregnant once in a year but a guy could technically impregnate 365 women a year….. so what were you saying about taking responsibility?
If talking facts makes me a man hater, by that logic you talking facts would make you a woman hater.
Though it's sweet of you to be concerned about my home life, my husband and son are very happy.
Must be a weak soy boy if he's with you.
Never said I hated women. Just own up to what you've did. Take responsibility for your actions.
You saying a man should get a vasectomy clear signs of a man hating feminist. All I said was close your legs, same for guys.
Never did I tell a woman to neuter herself like you just told all men to do.
Just in case you aren’t familiar with medical science, vasectomies are reversible. Why don’t you stop being so emotional and take responsibility for your own sperm.
No one is going to force someone to adopt a child they don't want. That would be harmful to the child.
I think I get the point you're trying to make, but in the future, would you please think before posting such hurtful questions.
Hurtful to who? The 400 thousand children in foster care or the kids forced onto parents who don’t want them?
False equivalency
1. You can practice safe sex or abstrince if you can't afford the child. Or even a hysterectomy if you fear it that much
2. I'd take the adopted child. There a Government check that comes with it. And he/She should have the right to live instead being aborted.
Then how many have you chosen to adopt? Have you gotten a vasectomy? Are you abstinent?
It's funny I actually have 1 adopted child which is what's funny. You need loosen the regulation on adoption
I’m not regulating anything g
Sure then I'll take them as much as possible people use them kids as government checks anyway.
How are you adopting a child if it is yours by birth? And if you don't want children, then you make sure birth control is used or you have your tubes tied, because I doubt any guy would ever agree to a vasectomy.
Do you know how many doctors deny tubal litigations to young women because they thing they are too young to be making that choice?
Yet I don't see them turning down sex change surgery for that reason. Figure that one out.
Funny how that works isn’t it…
Being adopted is always better than being dead, don't you think? And someone made this comment already, but I'll say it here, "adopt children you don't want" is just a very sly way of saying "children that I wish were dead".
You should ask that question to kids who have been abused and killed in foster care
Fetus before 21 weeks cannot even live with it being attached to its host. I guess the lives of the children being forced to carry pregnancies to term, their live don’t matter, but that clump of cells matter more than the they do.
If you had to choose between saving the life of an embryo or the life of 13 year old girl.. which would you save?
Host? Oh, you mean the mother! Host and parasite. What an absolutely disgusting way of seeing human reproduction. And people here have called ME callous, indifferent and heartless, because I don't support abortion on demand. Why do so many pro-abortionists use such dehumanising language? Degrading euphemisms are usually used to avoid unpleasant realities, and to assuage troubled consciences.
Do you know how many children are raped every year?
No I don't, but I suspect you're about to tell me. I know where this is going. You're going to try to use the fact that a horrendous number of children are raped in foster care to argue that those children wouldn't have been raped if they hadn't been unwanted by their mothers. They were unwanted by their mothers because those mothers couldn't abort them.
Was I correct?
I'm sorry, but that's just a really warped way of seeing things. Bad things happen to EVERYONE, and do you know why? Because that's life, that's the way things are. There is good, there is evil. Evil people often live comfortable, happy lives, while those who try their best to be good, end up in foster care. Life isn't fair or just. I wish it were, but it isn't.
I'm not being callous or uncaring when I say this either; I'm simply pointing out a few pertinent facts. I don't like this situation any more than you do, but we have to make the best of what we have, the life we have, while we can. It's unfortunate that many never even get the chance to do that.
Actually… I was going to say just think of all those children who who’ll end up pregnant… what about their lives?
Question is irrelevant because that is not how adoption works. When children get adopted, it is because someone came and sought them out. There are services that help children who do not get adopted. However, even that scenario is preferrable over an innocent baby that cannot speak up or defend itself getting terminated just for the inconvenience of a woman who opened her legs and does not want to face the consequences.
Do you know how many women die from pregnancy and child birth every year?
What about how many kids go into the foster care system?
Of course they won't. They don't want to be forced to care for a child they didn't want or ask for. If they truly wanted to help babies, they'd have adopted kids by now enough to where adoption centers wouldn't be overburdened with too many kids
No need to force pro lifters to adopt child they don't want considering the amount of people who actually want to adopt a child but cannot or have to wait 10 years for doing so.
Why do they have to wait when there are already over 400 thousand children in the system… oh right they only want cute infants that are happy and healthy… guess the rest don’t matter..
Maybe in your country, not in the United States though
well feel free to google it..
If they're against women making their own choices about their bodies, then they should be forced to adopt those children. That's what they deserve. I'd really like those people to pay karma.
Just because you have to birth then doesn't mean you have to keep them after if you decide to do that anyway then theirs no point in abortion
Do you know how many women die each year from pregnancy and labor?
17.4%
Hell, im not even super pro life but sometimes i think about adopting a kid even when I got some of my own, just to give them the life their parents never did...
I don’t like pro life. It will create more criminals because the little fuckers were unwanted spawn created from little whores and manwhores who couldn’t keep their pants on. Abortions are mandatory.
I’m not a pro lifer and I choose impact over quality - like the amount you spend raising one child you adopt is enough to save 900 kids you didn’t adopt in a foreign country.
No because that wouldn´t be helpful either. Firstly not everyone wants children, secondly not everyone could achieve an adoption because they are in a situation where they can handle having children.
When my tax money was going to planed parenthood I was paying for abortions I didn't need and for people I didn't know. I would much rather raise a child then kill it...
Great how many kids did you end up adopting?
That’s awesome my my husband and I are looking into it
What makes you think they are forced adopters?
You really are small minded, it seems.
I didn’t say there was. But would be okay with it?
You could add to this.. How about being forced to adopt seriously ill and mentally impaired children. Also important reasons for compassionate end of pregnancies.
I'm not "pro-life" as you mean in this context, but no one can be forced to adopt a child, so this is a ridiculous question.
I live in a country with wide open borders, so I think we can take care of our own. I think we should give the kids a shot at life and abort the parents.
Hmm. I don't think no one if okay with being forced* to do anything.
Why do pro choice people think me not wanting to financially support the kid should mean that I shouldn't have the right to not want someone to kill it?
I don’t want to financially support government funded vigra.. but here we are
And what does your taxes being used to support kids have to do with me?
Um commit murder over something you could’ve controlled, or let someone else give them a better life than you can 🤷♀️🤷♀️
For those pro-choice folks out there, do you only support choice for women or do you also support choice for men? That is to say, do you support men having the right to a paper abortion?
No more than I am with being forced to get pregnant against my will but then I have the choice...
Considering the fact that there are literally thousands of couples looking to adopt and not enough children that are up for adoption your premise would simply never happen..
Tell that to the more 400 thousands kids in foster care
You're preaching to the choir. Unlike you, I spent my entire childhood in foster care, after suffering mental, sexual, and physical abuse at the hands of my mother.
If you don't want children, don't have sex, use birth control, have either of your tubes tire/cut, or the cheapest option is a condom! Be responsible for your actions!
Birth control doesn't always work. Condoms rip, and birth control medication can be ineffective! And some women might not have the money to pay for an implant or an IUD. Plus, there are many reasons to pick certain types of birth control whether it be comfort or how long it lasts.
On top of that, plenty of women may want a child later in life but they just can't afford to have one at the time. Most abortions are due to social and economic reasons.
would you say the same thing to a man who brags about having sex with as many women as he wants?
People enjoy sex. Someone shouldn't have to swear to abstinence, they should have safe access to abortions.
You're pretty much just jumping hurtles to blame someone for an unplanned pregnancy.
I'm not pro life, but giving random people kids sounds like a horrible idea
That’s interesting…
No but I'd be happy to pay some tax to make sure they're safe and well cared for while looking for a family that wants to adopt.
Are you ok with murdering unborn babies just to continue to whore yourself into oblivion without responsibilities?
That's not the same thing at all as not being able to have an abortion and you know it
I didn’t say that? Would be okay being forced to be a parent?
Wow what an argument. And to think that women who consented to having sex with a man shouldn’t have to bear any responsiblity for the child
So when you have sex with someone you are consenting to be a father?
Consenting to sex, doesn't mean consent to be a parent... but if you want to make it fair then the man who impregnated her should be forced to pay for half of all pregnancy and labor related expenses, including prenatal and post natal care. And if she should need a blood transfusion, or kidney or liver transplant he should be required to provide it. How does that sound?
When a male has sex with a female he accepts the risk that he might become a father
And I am totally ok with that as well. I do believe in fairness
So when you have sex with someone you are consenting to being a father?
Consent implies a willingness. But as a third party you are accepting any possible risk involved.
Yes or no, are you consenting to be a father when you consent to having sex?
Nope
That's what I thought...
Just because you didn’t consent to something doesn’t mean you’re absolved of responsibility. Try again lib
Right and just because you are a match doesn't make you responsible for sacrifice your body and health for someone else...
It certainly does because it takes two to make a baby. What part of that don’t you understand?
I've lived it sweetie, I can assure you I have a much better understanding of the effect and toll the pregnancy and labor has on the body and psyche.
Maybe so but that don’t make it right to murder somebody else for your own mistakes
Nah, but I also wouldn't expect anyone else to take care of my kid. I would buck up and do what needed to be done. Excuses and complaints are for the weak.
I don't "believe" in government force except in criminal and civil law.
No one can force anyone to adopt children. We have free choice.
I used to be pro choice until I saw the way that abortions were actually done
Have you seen the movie "Unplanned", the story of Abby Johnson, ex-PP exec, now pro-life?
This parallel doesn't work unless you won the child in a casino game when you were just playing it for the thrill of playing.
Yes. But only if I get to pick them out like puppies at the pound.
You do, how many have you adopted?
Please. As if anyone would let a single, mentally ill war veteran adopt a child.
I’m pro abortion by the way. I believe in sanctioned killing. I’m pro abortion. Pro euthanasia. Pro capital punishment. And pro assisted suicide.
It’d be wonderful if you stopped assuming things about me and putting words in my mouth.
Yes. The are lot of family's would love a beautiful child.
Pro lifers aren't pro life. They're anti woman
That's why republican women, are an oxymoron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkMbMidsYIM
As the late great george carlin said, you're fucked. ANd that's what conservatives WANT
Yeah, because I was adopted when I could have been aborted
Then applaud the fact your birth mother had a choice
That’s awesome? I’m so happy for you.
So glad you’re here ❤️
@annabananna thankyou so much
Wow your question sounds dumb and stupid.
Did you think before you asked it?
Then answer it, it’s a straight forward question anonymous person
No. But I am even less comfortable with killing them or condoning it.
Thats a good point. And yet they still dont want kids, that aren't their own 😂
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