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This debate has been a raging dumpster fire for my entire life. I've listened and considered every argument out there. Each one of them has their merits and also their flaws. The religious argument holds little water. The Bible doesn't regard the loss of an unborn child as anything more important than the loss of livestock or crops. On the other side, the argument that a baby's ability to survive outside the womb is deeply flawed; even a 6 month old can't survive on its own. The heartbeat and first breath arguments hold no special logical insight because the mother's heart and lungs are doing the work, and the mental development argument is just grasping at straws. Is a person on a heart bypass machine dead? No. Is a person on a ventilator dead? No. Is a person with no brain activity dead? No. How about if they have a medical condition where their brain never fully develops? Nope, not dead either. If you doubt that, kill any one of them. The judicial system will consider your argument that they were just a mass of cells that couldn't survive on their own, but I doubt you'd like the verdict.
So when we strip away the illogical, false arguments, what do we have? People on one side who want it, people on the other who don't, and that's pretty much it. So the only logical resolution to the issue is to let those who want it have it. What business is it of mine or yours. I'm not being gender specific, either, because whether you're a man or woman, you only get to decide your own actions
They do not care. You could say they have been manipulated since they do not understand the argument. But when a person is complicit in their own manipulation then it ceases to be manipulation and turns into willful ignorance. They are ignorant and they want to be ignorant.
As for the actual abortion debate consider this;
Only 80% of all births are safe and free from complications. 20% can endanger the life of the fetus or mother at some point.
They are looking to take the decision making process away from the medical community and give it a trumpturd politician. Such that, if there are complications during pregnancy and the option for abortion is on the table to save the mother's life, that decision will go to a trumpturd. He/she will get to decide if the doctor can perform the abortion.
At this point, many American women will have less rights and freedoms than women Saudi Arabia.
The thing is, is people who are pro-life and anti abortions don't care. Obvious in how they'll harass a woman who pregnant with a child of insect or rape or is severely disabled but will never adopt that child, will never help that mother.
They are typically people with a sense of self righteousness that... if heaven & hell really existed they'd be surprised they're talking with Satan not God.
For one the Bible says NOTHING about abortion. Word doesn't exist in ANY versions of the Bible. Closest you'll ever get to a concept of abortion is Exodus 21:22 and that's ONLY if in a brawl between two men a pregnant woman is struck and miscarries.
For two it is SIN for man to judge others. Said many times in the Bible in numerous ways. Matthew 7:1 & James 4:11-12 are the most common quotes. It is a MORAL SIN to judge others. That is ONLY the right of God. Certainly no mortal being.
For there the Bible says you're to help thy neighbor not make their life hard. By bullying a woman with a child who is a product of insect or rape or severely disabled you are about as helpful to her as a swarm of West Nile Virus carrying mosquitoes
Here's the thing, and I realize I may get some flack for this but...
Women don't tell men what to do with their bodies, the only possible thing I can think of is a suggestion to get a vasectomy. EVEN THEN, the man will always have the option not to.
Forcing women to carry out an unwanted pregnancy ISN'T HEALTHY, regardless of what MEN tend to think. Yes, pro life is important... but WHY IN THE HELL would men think forcing a women to bare the pain and sickness of carrying a unwanted child could EVER be beneficial to her mental well-being.
I'm sorry, but I absolutely HAVE TO speak out my mind on this. This is a topic where men really shouldn't have any place in, it's her body and NOT yours.
Let's play role reversal, if you men were women how would you feel being forced to birth a live human from your body without any say in the matter AND having to pay the hospital delivery fees.
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Overturning Roe v. Wade does not BAN abortion! It sends the issue of abortion back to the states to regulate, just like the states regulate everything else relating to the practice of medicine! Also, I SERIOUSLY doubt in an age where you can genetically alter yourself using CRISPR, and “recipes” for a homemade abortifacients (medications that spontaneously induce an abortion) are floating around social media, that women will go back to destroying their uterus with a coat hanger! I’m guessing that abortion questions are going to be a staple of GaG from now on? That’s a shame, this is the reason I never used my Twitter account, because it’s all political crap! I really hope this place does not become as political and divisive as Twitter!
Yes, I am pro life because I don’t like abortion. I think it is a sad choice and I don’t like the thought of killing a fetus. However, I understand why people do it (doesn’t mean I like it). I have internal conflict with the whole abortion being illegal or legal. Even though I’d rather see someone put the baby up for adoption if they were raped who am I to judge her position? I think abortion is def necessary for women who will die having the baby.
I believe the main reason for abortion is because of finances though. I think majority of it is women who can’t think of a way to raise the baby so they feel they have no choice. I wish we had more services for women who are pregnant and in need to figure out a way to properly raise children. I believe that would lower the rate. I will say that I think the government want abortion to be legal and it benefits them so I don’t think people that are pro choice have much to worry about. I could be wrong though.
The numbers of mothers and fathers killing their children have shot up since the pandemic, 2 cases of Arthur and star in the uk alone is enough why abortion should be legal. If men force women to have unwanted babies imagine the child murders going up further, it's best its done when it's an embryo than the a fully developed child being born and being murdered, every bone broken and bruises all over its body, starved to death, dont you agree? If not suggest you read little arthur and stars story.
I understand and... dont care. I feel for women in a difficult spot but they chose to have sex. They knew the risk and they took it. If they die taking another risk thats on them. it means they learned nothing.
I wouldn't be so anti-abortion if women didn't take safe, legal, rare and run with it. Now according to planned parenthood only 2% of all abortions are rape/incest related... Social medias cheering abortions. I might not wanna outlaw abortion but im not gonna cheer it either and if you will perhaps taking it aways best.
Idgaf about abortions. What I care about is the fact that the men's opinions are pointless. Women claim to only take a man's opinion into account but that doesn't sway what she's going to do. It takes two to make a baby. The fact that men don't get an equal say in the matter leads me to believe that women are extremely selfish. They want to play God. They're just like Satan. Doesn't surprise me that the satanic temple is supporting abortions.
I used to be staunchly pro choice, but the sheer level of female entitlement in the recent years is progressively pushing me away from supporting it.
Abortion is a privilege, not a right.
Men aren't granted any such degree of protection of our rights when it comes to child support or parental rights.
And until that issue becomes recognized by females as of equal importance, I frankly don't feel like supporting their rights anymore.
Just like the more conservative states are likely to try and limit or completely eliminate abortions, the more liberal states will probably limit or completely eliminate the restrictions on late-term abortions. The Supreme Court's leaked draft cites "States' Rights", not "abortions are illegal", and the door swings both ways. Also, most of the abortions that take place in the United States already occur in the more liberal states, because they contain the majority of the general population, almost all of the largest cities, and the majority of medical facilities.
I'm morally pro-life and legally pro-choice, and I predict the only real winners are going to be the hard-core pro-abortionists (except in Texas), and the activists and politicians on both sides of this issue, who will use this as an excuse for a money grab.
I would imagine most people lean pro-choice with limited exceptions. like only up to a set amount of time, if there is medical reasons why aborting is the best option or if she was abused/raped which caused her to get pregnant. however if doctors can save both the mother and child then it would be the best outcome in many cases.
but trying to make abortion totally illegal will like increase the amount of women having miscarriages, single mothers and/or families on welfare, etc.
Screw it, I ain't above a good copypasta.
Relax, nobody coming for your abortions. We just want common sense abortion control. That means mandatory background & mental health assessment. No assault abortions after 1st trimester no high capacity abortions of twins,& limit the number of abortions nobody needs more than 1 abortion. We also want a national registry of abortions & for certain abortions you need to apply for a federal tax stamp which costs $200 and may take a year to approve.
Banning anything has never really worked, it only pushes it underground. Be it abortions, drugs, or even guns.
I did realise that but if sex became less important and casual sex was less important to guys the whole issue wouldn't be much of a problem.
I never thought about that but it makes sense. I sense that this abortion topic will be discussed for a long time here on GAG.
if they ban abortion then they better have a plan for what they are gonna do with all the babies like health care foster care education etc. but the party pushing this tends to have many against having more government services like free healthcare. and also maybe this is more of a southern thing they tend to be against teaching anything useful at sex ed leaving to all these unwanted pregnancys cuz people arnt ever thought proper sex ed.
Yes they do.. but they don't care about the life of the woman, they just want to control what she can do with her own body.
I will remember this argument for when people start talking about banning guns.
Yeah I realize that. Republicans and anti-choice people can try to control women all they want but women are still going to get abortions even if they get them illegally.
Yes. But it's only making the states vote on it.
You can still kill babies in California. And soon up till one month after being born. Parents can just starve the baby to death without punishment.
Yeah. I think it’s the same thing with drugs. I mean I can’t argue if you think abortion is wrong, it’s a very polarizing issue. But at least you should want harm reduction, which making abortions legal and available would reduce harm.
In my young days, abortion was very restricted in Germany. What people did: Over the border in the Netherlands it wasn't a problem :)
''Laws'' are only as good as the good they do.
This is what he and his party are doing to our women.
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