I generally try to stay out of political areas when online. I do think though this question deserves an answer. Both sides of the political spectrum are noted to lie by what they omit. I have seen this many times before. It is so easy to change something just by how you place something like a comma. This is why I don't trust stats unless I can see the underlying data. So yes I do trust websites like Snopes in non-political areas. Once you get into politics I proceed VERY carefully. One more point. I try to NEVER filter my morality through my politics. If something is wrong for one group it is just as wrong for another group. This BS is why I will end a date if she won't stop trying to discuss politics. The amount of ignorance is mind-numbing, to say the least!
I saw to much bias with fact checkers. Especially social media dact checkers. Even when something was true they would not call it true. They would say mostly true then put a left spin on it why it's not fully true. But I never saw them do that with left wing claims that the right says is untrue.
At the end of the day it's just opinions with cherry picking facts to go along with a narrative.
On one of my older smartphones I have a downloaded video of news report reporting of this and that police is investigating and grappling with bill and melinda gates.
That tells you that google itself is working together with the child traffickers, as they can freely use google for their trade. There's of course shit-tons of more evidence if you really needed it, but I think it's too self evident that they're all corrupt.
@Guy__ Reuters just look at the information available and base the fact checking off that. Posts said gates went on the plane to the island 17 times. But there was no evidence of that in the flight logs 🤷🏻♀️
I used to, but then I saw how they wrote off Hunter Biden’s Laptop off as Russian Disinformation, when there was an active FBI criminal case started because of it, and now we ALL know that it is 100% real! That forever destroyed my trust in fact checking sites! Seriously, that one hurt! It was like finding out that Santa didn’t exist, all over again… which even for a little Jewish girl, still hurt, I LOVED Christmas!
Firstly, the FBI probe doesn't seem to be into Hunter Biden, but "the FBI was specifically investigating possible connections to ongoing Russian disinformation efforts against [presumably Joe] Biden".
"Also in March [2022], The Washington Post reported that two security experts authenticated thousands of the 129,000 emails purportedly from Biden's laptop, though the vast majority of the laptop contents, including most of its emails, could not be authenticated. The experts also noted there were anomalies in the data that created the potential for tampering or forgery"
IIRC, even Fox News refused to run with it when it appeared a couple of weeks before the election. Trump and Rudy Giuliani are hardly trustworthy sources of information, are they?
As far as I can see, the story consists of Hunter behaving badly (but he wasn't running for president) and him setting up a meeting with an oligarch and proposing a Chinese deal to his father (who was not president at the time and rejected the latter and probably the former).
Also: "The analysts found that people other than Biden had repeatedly accessed and copied data for nearly three years; they also found evidence others had written files to the drive both before and after the October 2020 New York Post reports."
I mean, that's just from Wikipedia, so if you have some other reputable source that shows differently, I'll be happy to update my opinion. (Please don't just dismiss wikipedia out of hand.)
@goaded Okay, as I happen to be a liberal myself from a family of MULTIGENERATIONAL lifelong Democrats, obviously I'm not gonna use any sources like “faux news”, but you seem like you have already made your mind up, and likely will not change it with anything I give you, but here from MSNBC reporting on a story originally from CBS: www.msn.com/.../ar-AAX4QAt And actually READ that one because it says “social media censored the NOW CONFIRMED STORY” Here is a story from Yahoo News. news.yahoo.com/...repairman-details-162947462.html Here is a story from the New York Times: www.nytimes.com/.../...en-kevin-morris-lawyer.html Here is an archived version of the above NY Times article (in case you can’t access it b/c you don’t have a subscription: web.archive.org/.../...en-kevin-morris-lawyer.html By the way HOW MANY sources do you need? The Times article was from yesterday! Im going to stop at THREE Left leaning sources, if you don’t believe that then you are just a zealot who will NEVER accept the truth that we were lied to by the media about this, believe me I’m PISSED that the media I trust lied to us… you should be to, ALL liberals should be! We’re liberals, not babies, allow us to see the truth and let us decide what we are going to do with it, its not the media’s job to help presidents elected no matter HOW repugnant the other guy is! Ah, screw it! Here’s one more, an MSNBC report on YouTube that mentions the laptop in great detail begining at 40 seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEfcf0OSu9c
@goaded Yeah okay, so the NYT story is from yesterday, but the story was confirmed last year, and the MSNBC story is well over a month old, and was very well covered by all three networks and CNN. The only way to NOT know that the story was confirmed a long time ago, was if you just don’t watch the news, or read any newspapers! Also, who are you to tell me “Please stop pretending you know what I’m going to do” I only made those comments because you wrote “(Please don't just dismiss wikipedia out of hand.)“ as if i would! That’s NOT who I an, not how I comport myself! Quite literally, THAT is the ONLY reason I wrote any of that… Because you literally did it to me!
I'm busy for the next few hours, so I'll have to get back to you later, if that's OK. I think our problem is probably caught up in how one defines "the story".
@goaded Thank you very much for that apology, I genuinely appreciate that, and it speaks volumes to your character. I know that you’ll fairly assess the evidence that the media lied to us. As for what I define as “the story” simple… Hunter Biden dropped off a laptop at a repair shop, he failed to pick it up and the repair shop owner took ownership of that laptop. Upon examining its contents he saw what he believed were evidence of crimes and rightfully called the FBI, but also wrongly took a copy of the hard drive and gave it to Rudy Giuliani. Those crimes involved tax evasion and multiple dealings with Ukrainian energy companies and multiple Chinese companies close to the communist Chinese government to the tune of multiple millions of dollars.
No problem. This is long, so I'll post it in two parts: the story, and why I think you're being too hard on the media and social media companies.
OK, the story:
"Hunter Biden dropped off a laptop at a repair shop," Unconfirmed, but he did say it might have been him.
"he failed to pick it up and the repair shop owner took ownership of that laptop." Assumes it really was his, but possible. The owner said he couldn't identify the person who dropped it off (no security cameras in a tech store?).
"Upon examining its contents he saw what he believed were evidence of crimes and rightfully called the FBI, but also wrongly took a copy of the hard drive and gave it to Rudy Giuliani." I just checked, Apple Macs have encrypted their hard drives by default since 2014. If it was encrypted, he wouldn't have been able to examine the hard drive. That's not proof, but I'd be inclined to have a look at a couple of other devices of Bidens and see how they're configured. Do you think a crack-head who leaves his laptops lying around thinks to turn off encryption on his new machines, or is it more likely he clicks OK until it works?
"Those crimes involved tax evasion and multiple dealings with Ukrainian energy companies and multiple Chinese companies close to the communist Chinese government to the tune of multiple millions of dollars. " Tax evasion for sure, and he did work with Ukrainian and Chinese companies (are there any that aren't close to the CCP?), probably getting the jobs because of his surname, which is bad, but not necessarily illegal. It's being investigated.
That was my impression of the story. I think you'll agree that the right wing websites would have claimed it was proof that Joe Biden is corrupt?
I think you're being too hard on the social media and news sites, and here's why:
It's a classic case of the Boy who Cried Wolf: lie for for more than four straight years then expect to be believed if you do finally tell the truth.
Trump, who lies like a rug, had been assisted in his election by Russia, and had been impeached for trying to extort made-up dirt on Joe Biden, sends his personal lawyer to Fox News and the Washington Post with this supposed copy of the hard disc from a laptop a few weeks before the election (not enough time to verify anything, let alone everything). (I don't know when Rudy got the copy, do you?) That story is so dubious even Fox News refused to air it.
If you had had to make the call at the time, would you really decide that it is 100% genuine (which is still unproven), or that it's likely doctored in some way? Especially as your organisation had spent the last four years having Trump shouting at your truthful and honest reporting as "fake news", or, in the case of Twitter and Facebook, having had a large part in spreading genuinely fake news in 2016?
I'd have gone for 99% chance it's fake.
Not that the truth is really all that exciting. It's not Joe that made any money, and he wasn't even in office when the Chinese deals were going on (and one of the emails shows he refused to get involved). Hunter Biden is a mess with a famous and sometimes powerful father. He might be in deep st*t. His father's actions in Ukraine didn't help him and were internationally applauded as anti-corruption. That's about it.
(Breitbart had an interesting tidbit; another of Hunter's laptops was found in a raid of disgraced phychiatrist and Fox News contributor Keith Ablow, back in February 2020. Without wanting to sound too conspiracy theorist, wouldn't that have been an opportunity to clone his laptop and have months to fiddle with it? It would be interesting to compare the two devices' content.) www.breitbart.com/.../
Not really, but that is besides the point. A good fact checking website is not based on you trusting them, it is based on actually providing the proof of their corrections so you could see it for yourself if they are right or not. As such my trust in them is entirely pointless as their conclusions are based on separate proofs rather than their own integrity.
Most of these "fact-checking" sites frame things in such crazy ways or used the most strained possible language to try to push an obvious political agenda - it's clear that they are incredibly biased and themselves a source of mis-information. They're largely trash.
Not really, I used to trust some until I noticed on one was fact checking the fact checkers, and many put political spin on things. Even when its TRUE they find a way to downplay it, if it benefits one side.
If its TRUE and it causes more damage to the other side they can make it worse than it really is.
I 100% agree! I am SO furious at places like snopes whom I REALLY trusted to debunk crazy stories my republican friends would tell me as WELL as stories my crazy far leftist friends told me. (I’m more of a Centrist traditional Liberal. I actually believe in things like Free Speech, The Constitution, Global Climate Change, Don’t riot and burn cities, and personal responsibility)
As long as they quote reliable sources and make a logical conclusion that's not pushing an agenda I think their generally trust worthy. It's when people direct me to a YouTube rant that I become sceptical
I find it extremely odd that the ones telling all the lies are the ones who are fact checking Very common throughout history in order destroy your opposition you first silence them, Free speech is essential for a free society, only tyrants and dictators silence and fact check speech We are on a road with a destination that nobody will like We need to stop and turn this car around fast
I just don't trust a fact checker. They give you only what they want you to see and hear. It can be false or could be true. They need to show proof also.
I don't outright trust them. It's best to check the sources they list, attempt to find different sources and then come to your own conclusion. Before you trust the information they provide.
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