How do you feel about this in relation to the Second Amendment?

[Juxtapose]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3503408-supreme-court-may-soon-expand-gun-rights-amid-roiling-debate/amp/

Good

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[N192K001]

Good! The citizenry must be armed & trained to protect themselves & their communities!

Given that law-enforcement officers has no obligation to protect us,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2018/12/21/us-judge-says-law-enforcement-officers-had-no-legal-duty-protect-parkland-students-during-mass-shooting/
we should en masse join our State defense militia (State Guard) for arming, training, and raising our communities emergency-preparedness. And for us (like myself in N. C., whose Guard was de-activated in 1996), we should petition our governors to re-activate them to protect the citizenry and guard the schools & other mass-gathering sites.

It should be even harder to remove our rights, when we're already part of the (organized) Militia mentioned in the 2nd Amendment. The closer we can get to the Swiss-model (which seems closer to the original intent of the Founders), the better.

[DaveDavidson]

Give the government an inch and they'll take a mile - there's a reason the shooting community so strongly resists pretty much any new legislation, because the slippery slope is real.
Let it continue and you end up like us in Canada, having our rights and property stripped at a whim just because some politician wants to pander for Toronto votes.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah, after all look at what happened to Australia after they were disarmed. I bet they didn't expect it to happen that way when they first started instituting gun safety laws..

[Debris1]

If it doesn't make sense, look a reason. Throughout history, powerful people have created false flags to achieve their goals. Mass shootings by a so called deranged persons are not happening in Switzerland nor are they happening in the Mideast and in both places guns are readily available. Furthermore, these mass shooting have on only recently started happening in the USA, and that only after powerful people started pushing to eliminate the second amendment. It doesn’t take brilliant people to make the association.

[TheSpaceGnome]

You are correct. And any sane person knows you need to be armed to stop a shooter.

[Juxtapose]

Agreed with you both!

[saffoler]

The right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed. If you have a problem with that you should amend the constitution or leave.

[nawtee_me]

@saffoler no they should just leave...

[Lliam]

Fuck Democrats. They are disingenuous in their claims of concern for human life. Fuck self serving, brain dead Republican politicians who support more gun regulation. And fuck people who want more regulation because their opinions are based on emotionalized propaganda, not on research and reason.

Winkler, of UCLA Law, makes totally unsubstantiated claims in the following quote. He's not a smart man. He voiced opinion, not fact.

“We already know more guns equals more crime and we have an awful raft of mass shootings – gun homicides have spiked in the last couple of years,” he said. “We have a major gun violence problem and expanding Second Amendment protections, greater than they already are, is likely to make it much harder for lawmakers to enact effective laws to reduce gun violence.”

[Telekinetic-Potato]

The gun laws here are very strict. In think in the context of NYC their gun laws are about where they should be. Just considering the culture and how that city works.

But I don't think it's fair to put the same restrictions on NY state where everyone has so much land and the population isn't so dense.

I mean to me in a perfect world. Open carry would be legal everywhere and concealed would be legal wherever the local government decides.

So this article makes me uncomfortable in the sense that I don't believe it's going to end well, but the part of me that is optimistic is hoping for the best.

[Juxtapose]

The less the government monopolizes lethal force the better in my opinion.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

As much as I agree, I think we need to be conscious of how we open up the laws. I don't think for example, allowing concealed carry across the country tomorrow would be a very good idea.

Even if I believe that's where we should be one day

[Juxtapose]

Isn't the Second Amendment pretty clear about there not being any infringement to our right to bear arms?

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I've been researching this for the past few days actually. Apparently, there's some context that goes behind that phrase which may or may not include being a part of an organized, state run militia.

To be honest I think it sounds like bullshit but as I've been looking into it. There seems like there might be a chance thats what they meant. I'm not sure, I have a hard time seeing why that's what they would have meant.

And let's also remember that that is ammendment. Yes it's one of the first ones, but it's not origional. There are a lot of fucking people now. It makes sense to give states the freedom to restrict gun use in say a heavily populated city or when walking into a school or an airport or a bank or a sports arena or a place that serves alcohol.

[cth96190]

“…shall not be infringed” could not be clearer.
All restrictions on firearm ownership are unconstitutional, as are the libtards gun free zones.

[Juxtapose]

Yes! What do you think about the militia bit? I don't think the United States was supposed to have a standing army, I think we were supposed to be the standing army.

[N192K001]

Seconding that, @Juxtapose.

Luckily, a number of States still have the State defense militia (State Guard) s. Unfortunately, few people know about it, since Federal armed-forces out-recruit and out-advertise them. And in my State (N. C.), the governor de-activated it.

Still, it's law: Federal “Militia Act of 1903” (Pub. L. 57−33/32 Stat. 775), my State's “Militia” (N. C. General Statutes 127A), and others! It's just a matter of activation or not.

[cth96190]

The USA's militias of 1776 have morphed into the National Guard of today.
A standing army has become a necessity, due to changes in warfare during the past 250 years.
The standard of skill/training required to be competitive and modern weapons require a full-time army and a reserve that does a lot of training.
I am a former Australian Army officer. Trust me when I tell you that a 1776 stye militia would be slaughtered on a modern battlefield, due to lack of skills.

[TheSpaceGnome]

The reason mass shootings happen is because of restrictive gun laws.

Without conceled carry, you cannot effectively stop a shooter. People need to arm themselves or crazy people will keep getting bolder.

[WindAtMyBack]

This case looks to be very specific and doesn't address the gun control issue as a whole. I'd be surprised if they come out with a broad ruling.

If the court ever had a very broad gun control case before them, they will be under extreme pressure. I will also point out that it's not unheard of to just ignore the Supreme Court.

[libsaretards]

Good. This makes it where armed good guys have less hoops to jump through to protect themselves. New York's gun laws have not stopped murders. In fact, if you look at statistics, murders by guns have INCREASED in New York. The law does not apply to criminals who disregard them so more laws mean nothing to the bad guys. They have no hoops to jump through.

[IsoUser]

I couldn't agree with you more that every American Citizen has the right to bear arms with the exception of your gold electrolyte Pistol which makes you look like a douchebag drug dealer.

[NYCQuestions1976]

I'm not sure how you would expand gun rights, since the Second Amendment already exists. The focus needs to be on bringing back residential mental institutions.

[TheSpaceGnome]

No, the focus needs to be on allowing conceled carry in all states, so the mass shootinhs stop.

[msc545]

It is consistent with what the Constitution says about it. No changes in law short of banning guns will stop mass shootings so this doesn't matter.

[BCA6010]

It's not really an "expansion" when all they're doing is recognizing what's already there, or in this case presumably ruling New York's ban on concealed carry licensing to be unconstitutional.

[CloudMassacre]

I’m just not going out much anymore. Like I live in South Dakota so it’s unlikely that I would be shot, but that’s what everyone thinks the morning they wake up and go about their day as usual

[Juxtapose]

You're more likely to slip and die in your own bathroom then you are to get killed in a mass shooting. Cops are also more likely to kill you as well.

[CloudMassacre]

I just don’t want to get in a minor verbal confrontation and have people whip their guns out when nearly none of them have training with weapons or de escalation tactics.
I’ll take my chances with my tub

[ninaneedshelp]

These is getting beyond ridiculous, at this point people might as well move to china.

[Juxtapose]

Why?

[ninaneedshelp]

this* cause they seem to enjoy zero freedom

[Dargil]

The problem it not guns. It is government.

[OddBeMe]

Why aren't gun rights activists patrolling schools? Oh, would that be weird?

[007kingifrit]

it's the right thing to do, we are entitled to carry guns. no city can tell me otherwise

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

I feel bad but we still need help in some way

[Juxtapose]

How?