Should employees have say who their clients are?

[OddBeMe]

Even if i agree politically.

Yes

No

[Smoke-n-Growls]

It's not always going to be a black and white solution, but keeping your employees happy and recognizing their impact on your business is a very good thing.

Imagine if Salesforce doesn't actually do this. They keep the NRA. Well, now there's 4k people with every reason to underperform.

And these aren't 4k off shore tech desk people, either (they don't care) - this is likely made up of key players that could cripple the company for a few years if they leave.

Businesses should always have the power to fire clients who they believe would be negative for them.

With how competitive the ERP and POS industries are, it would be easy for those 4k employees to encourage their clients to switch to a non-Salesforce platform before they quit.

It's a lot of things to balance. Will firing all 4k be feasible? Will the productivity, financial, and reputational losses be outweighed by what the NRA pays? Does the Board get NRA money? Do the C Suite?

[Ghostluck]

And there is 4K people who can go find other jobs for under performing. People have become emboldened in how they think they can control your political views and control a political stance of a company. They can find new jobs, or keep their political views out of the workplace. Period.

[OddBeMe]

I do agree. And if I were ceo of salesforce I’d listen. Not sure what my decision would be. But your points about happy employees are valid.

I camt imagine NRA being a huge client. Theyve suffered setback after setback in recent years.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

Look, @Ghostfuck - it's kinda obvious you don't work with people or if you do, you're no in charge of management or leadership decisions. Or, if you are, you have a turnover quicker than a revolving door.

It isn't a political stance for these folks.

And 4K of Salesforce's core employees? You don't know what an ERP does or relies on if you think losing 4K people means they're all "underperformers".

They risk losing their competitive edge as a tech company.

Who do you think opposes the NRA and wanton gun violence in the US? Highly educated people. It's statistically more likely that these 4K are software engineers, developers, leaders, and other positions that require time and experience.

Those aren't underperformers.

And, yes, political views can and should be used to challenge companies. It's a consequence of the company engaging with political clients.

Don't want your employees to bring politics to the workplace? Don't make deals with blatantly political entities. But for an ERP, that's impossible. So part of the strategy has to be striking a balance with your customers.

Salesforce's whole slogan is "Focus On Your Customer". If their own employees refuse to focus on THEIR customer, Saleaforce as a brand will tank.

Better to fire one unpopular client and gain positive media attention than fight it, lose 4K employees, and lose reputation among the public.

Salesforce is already declining in market share. It would be a blow to their profits to risk this situation blowing up.

[Ghostluck]

Stopped reading at Ghostfuck. Go drink some more kool-aid.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

Lol, so fragile. Called it.

[Ghostluck]

Oh, did you actually expect a rational discussion after leading off with name calling? The typical argument these days of those who can't properly debate; if you can't debate, debate with labels and names. So good job on that... I guess. Kind of makes me wonder who the real fragile one is here...

[SaoirseS]

That’s like asking if we should let the inmates run the asylum.

[goaded]

Certainly more than governments should have a say in who companies associate with (unless they're breaking the law).

Texas and Florida have both passed laws restricting companies' freedom of association (they want to stop banks from refusing to work with the NRA or social media outlets from carrying objectionable content, at least the sort that's right-wing).

That's something that's worked to create a dictatorship for Orban in Hungary, where, by an amazing coincidence, CPAC held a conference this year.

https://www.conservative.org/cpac/cpac-hungary/

[NathanDavis]

that depends on the business, or the company...

in my particular case you can have all the says and input you want, the decision is still going to be mine, I am the responsible for it

if there's valid reasons for the case, then it will surely be considered, it has to make sense

[andreasderjuengere]

I can always quit.
I do detest some of ''our'' customers - but then: these guys provide my salary; so I learnt how to compromise:
I asked my boss to NEVER leave me alone in a room with one of them - or we have a sales problem some day :D

The 'basic work force'' - is not there to make decisions. They are meant to produce as told.
They as well can quit, of course.

[Ghostluck]

Employees can go F themselves. What my political beliefs are and who I sell to are none of my employees business. They can quit as far as I am concerned. They are free to do all of that outside of my company, but while on the clock and while I am paying them, they can keep their political opinions to themselves.

[dustybiker]

This is like saying we should have a say in gasoline prices.

[OddBeMe]

We should, shouldn't we? And we are. By driving less.

[dustybiker]

The gas is still in the tanks waiting for purchase, at a higher price tag, tomorrow.

[Miristheiss]

Not really. If an employee is refusing to do business with the companies clients then that employee will probably be let go for not doing the job they are paid to do.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

If they don't like it they're welcome to seek new employment with a company whose client base they prefer.

[exitseven]

No, if they feel that strongly about it they could always work someplace else. This is still America.

[Anonymous]

What is that supposed to do? The NRA is already bankrupt and pretty much kaput. What are they seeking to accomplish I am curious?

[KostasKouvalis]

I think so. We're the ones who have to deal with them

[Juxtapose]

No, not anymore than a police officer has a say in what laws they enforce.

[cloud9vortex1234]

No, because that's whos paying you.

[jjj101010]

Depends on their policies

[OddBeMe]

And the contract of the business in question as well, I’d say.

[msc545]

No - silly