That would mean the election was rigged in Georgia and what other elections are rigged there’s not much we can do about it right now but if that came out as 100% true it’s a word be the end of democracy as we know it be like Democrats Russian collusion scandal turned out to be true about it and they came out in 2018 the Democrats were right it was our a Civil War in 2022 Republicans were right and the election was stolen that would be the Civil War or already in a cold one as it is unfortunately this is when suppression of immigration would be better for the country as a whole if we were to stay together if this is all true and comes out to be true hell storm to pay
I think you misunderstand what was going on. The election was fine, the ballots were counted correctly (several times, iirc) and Biden won the most votes.
It was after they lost the election that Republicans started to try to steal the presidency.
Firstly, there was the attempt by Trump to get Raffensperger to fake the count.
In this case they were attempting to cast enough fake doubt on the process so that their co-conspiritors in Congress could pretend it was real and get the whole state's election thrown out. If they could do that with enough states, there would have been a vote in congress that would have been heavily weighted towards Republicans. Coup complete.
@goaded I misconstruing a hypothetical? I don’t believe the election was stolen I think it was read by the media because of the bad coverage imagine if they did that to Biden or Obama they wouldn’t have gotten elected in the first place. What we had was a smear campaign by the media to basically tell the American people that Trump is garbage. The American people believe that and so Trump lost. For example Trump never said’ to inject bleach into your veins’ he was hoping for a disinvited to get into the body to kill Covid that’s it you never said inject yourself with bleach. The media turned around and smiled that way.
If Trump was right and the scheme to make sure he lost to 2020 election was a real that would mean Civil War that’s how bad that one is.
The election wasn't stolen. Republicans attempted to steal the presidency for Trump after losing the election. There's no longer any doubt about that. Peter Navarro explained exactly how they planned to do it on national TV.
Trump is garbage. So is the Republican party for letting him get away with both impeachments and being the first American president in the history of the country to try to steal an election, and also the first one to try to steal an election by force.
The only reason there isn't a civil war going on right now is that some few Republicans stood up for the constitution and rule of law.
I expect you'll be watching the coverage of the Jan 6th commission hearings? They'll be on every news channel.
@goaded Jan 6th pout kinda mainly watching it form CNN MSNBC the Blaze and the dailywire reactions.
Now we obviously disagree on which party is garbage (because both are trash). If it wasn’t for living in a 2 party system I would be voting libertarian every time unfortunately that isn’t the case I think the democrats party (least the leadership) has lost there minds. We can debate every topic individually.
Trump was the best president of the 21st century (show how good we’re picking Presidents right). The issue with Obama I feel like was he decided to Appeal to the American people with intersectional politics. He thought he could win and allow democrats to win by appealing to intersectionality (race sex whom someone wants to sleep with). And put them all into voting blocks and if someone disagrees with say gay marriage there homophonic. Someone can disagree with the redefinition of marriage but agree that if a gay couple wants to form a civil union and get the same tax benefits as straight couple that’s fine. (Personally I don’t think the government should be involved in anyones relationship.) As far and standing up for the constitution democrats haven’t liked the constitution for many years and always have tried to change it. Example roe v wade. Regardless if you support abortion or not abortion isn’t protected in the constitution. Never has been. If individual states want to ban or accept it that is there choice as a state it is not up for the federal government to decide hence the 10th amendment to the constitution
@goaded NPR would be like me using Breitbart news as a source.
Trump mouth was garbage I agree his policies were good. I think the election was rigged due to bad media coverage and spring this like “trump subjected we inject our selves with bleach” 🤦 he never said injecting someone with bleach. He knows nothing about medicine so he was talking out of his ass but you could tell in the inflection in your voice that it was more of a question than a suggestion.
Also covering up the hunter Biden story 10% of people who voted for Biden admitted if they had know about the hunter Biden laptop story they would have voted for trump (enough to allow the election to go the other way)
This is why I say it was rigged by the mainstream media not due to voter fraud. Regardless if you like or dislike trump you have to agree with looking at both sides this was true. Imagine if the media treated Obama the same way they did Trump. The media would be declared as racist. The media and social media are run by democrats. Imagine if it was run by republicans we have 1 mainstream media outlet which is fox
So NPR can't be trusted to write down the words spoken in the hearing?
Crap. So, I suspect, are your other points. You're just using any excuse to pretend there wasn't a real case with real evidence presented at the hearing, while refusing to watch or read it in case you find out the truth. Are you afraid it will convince you?
@goaded unfortunately there not the many truly objective news outlets in the United States NPR is left leaning like CNN MSNBC ABC NBC CBS New York Times Washington post all left wing news outlets using them as sources when it comes to political conversations isn’t reliable.
It’s a lot like right wingers using PragerU Fox dailywire the Blaze Tv brightbart news info-wars no left leaning person is going to take those news outlets seriously. This is how little trust we have in our media news outlets,
You can trust them on non political news stories like a few years ago a whale was caring her dead calf in the puget Sound for months you can trust NPR and most news outlets on stories like that but politics it’s all bias unfortunately.
Now I don’t believe the election was stolen, I think the way the mainstream media covered trump they ridged the election in favor of democrats but I don’t think there was election fraud like trump was saying from nov 4th-jan 6th and he’s still saying it he’s wrong but he’s allowed to be wrong. Even dailywire admits the election was stolen like most people say it was. But could you imagine if the media treated Obama or Biden the same way the covered trump non of those presidents would have seen a second term.
Sorry, but if a news outlet releases a transcript and it's found to be materally inaccurate, every other news outlet would be on them like a ton of bricks. Opinion, spin, choice of what to cover, these are all things that news outlets use to promote their biases, but publishing a transcript is not one of them. Go read it, or watch it (if you still don't trust NPR to transcribe the hearing). Or do you think they made up the whole thing?
@goaded I would have to go to the original source myself read The opinion and who World of the opinion. I use to love NRP unfortunately you can tell the media bias. There more centrist left but still left. One needs to precedent an opinion from both right and left wing New sites at this point. Unfortunately all new media are bias in one direction or the other. I like the dailywire doesn’t mean there not given the news from a conservatives perspective (by the way they don’t think voter fraud was a main reason why trump lost.
The media bias did play a part however I doubt you can agrue against media bias, Again imagine if the mainstream media covered democratic the same way as they did trump
Yes, the only problem in America was the way the media were mean to Trump. That's why he tried to steal the presidency. Here's the source, the hearing starts at 1:06.
@goaded I know what happened on January 6th. We also know that the FBI sent out agent provocateur‘s to stir up the crowd in order to start a riot. You won’t hear that in the Jan 6th hearing. This Jan 6th commission is also a partisan ploy to get people to vote democratic and paint everyone who doesn’t vote democrats in November as people who agree with January 6th.
Why isn’t anyone who Kevin McCarty appointed to the January 6th commotion on the commotion. Instead we got Liz Cheney who will loose her seat come November and Adam Kinzinger who isn’t running for re-election. It was suppose to be Jim Jorden, Jim Banks Rodney Davis Kelly Armstrong and Troy Nehls. Nancy Pelosi rejected all of them and because the 5 McCarty appointed disagreed with Pelosi’s and would have gotten the opposite conclusion that the democratic wanted and here’s 2 republicans (to make it look like it’s bipartisan) but the 2 republicans she picked of course hated trump. So basically The January 6 committee is a Pardison committee and pretty much a joke no one should take seriously and understand it’s a partisan hit job not a bipartisan procedure
No, you believe the FBI was behind it because you don't want to accept the truth. There were weeks or months of Republicans stirring the pot in the lead up to Jan 6th, chief among which was Trump. It would never have happened had Trump conceded in November or even December.
"Why isn’t anyone who Kevin McCarty appointed to the January 6th commotion on the commotion." Because the Republicans refused to hold a bipartisan hearing where both parties would have equal power. Then, because two of the people he recommended (Jordan and Banks) were both not serious and likely to be called as witnesses. The others, Reps. Rodney Davis of Illinois, Kelly Armstrong of North Dakota and Troy Nehls of Texas could have served on the investigation, but he withdrew them, even though Nehls voted against accepting the results of the election.
@goaded from what I understand Nancy Pelosi refused to have Kevin McCarthy‘s pics on the January 6 commission. List Cheney is pretty much a democrat and the other dude his name I forgot he’s retiring and again another anti-Trumper. Liz Cheney is a stain on the republican party same with people like Mick Romney I would gladly trade you for Tulsi Gabbard and Joe Manchin for those two Senators either way Ronnie’s very likely going to be leaving his son and position in 2024 and Liz Cheney will be losing her position this year and the reality is we need to get these rhinos out of office and elect senators like Ted Cruz Josh Hawley and Ran paul. If Jim Jordan and banks were going to be investigated then we should’ve been allowed to appoint other Republicans to the January 6 committee like Ted Cruz like ran Paul or Josh Hawley Or Dan Crenshaw or Kevin McCarthy himself why the hell put The few Republicans that hated Donald Trump on the January 6 commission it makes no sense
You need to check your facts. There was an agreement for a 50-50 D-R investigation. R's scuppered that. Then there was a House bipartisan investigation, and McCarthy put forward people who were probable targets of the investigation, so Pelosi rejected two of the five of them. He could have put up other Republicans, but refused to. Unless you define "Democrat" as "person who wants an American democracy", Cheney is not a Democrat. Nor is her father, the former Republican vice president.
@goaded dick Cheney was a moderate Republican much like Mick Romney there pretty much rhinos and the rino need to be voted out of office much like Joe Manchin would be a Dino (democratic in name only yes I just made up that term) Tulsi Gabbard would also fall into that category
@goaded OK that still doesn’t explain why Jim Jordan and banks we’re not allowed to sit on the commission. Instead we got the rino Liz Cheney and the rino Adam Kinzinger. Instead of being allowed to appoint actual republicans like Jim Jordan and Banks. I kind of get why for strategic reasons why they got rid of Jim Jordan especially since he is one of the best Republicans when it comes to questioning and grilling the fuck out of the left. Hence why Nancy Pelosi didn’t want him on the commission. Of course I had Kevin McCarthy had not picked anybody but a rino instead he first then Crenshaw and Matt Gaetz Nancy Pelosi would still have rejected them because they don’t agree with Nancy Pelosi and they don’t hate Trump they actually agree with Trump. My point is is pretty much a part of information with two Republicans that aren’t really Republicans and will be losing their season office as soon as November hits republicans don’t like Liz Cheney she’s very unpopular in Wyoming she is pretty much a Democrat she might as well switch parties as long as she’s not in office she can vote Democrat all she wants.
Also bush in Cheney were republican moderates. True conservatives are people like Ted Cruz Josh Hawley Lindsey Graham Ran Paul. Etc
You can keep calling them RINOs, but they're not. Jordan wasn't allowed onto the comittee because he was implicated in the attempt to steal the presidency. He wrote this text:
"On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all.”
Not sure about Banks, but you've got to admit it would be foolish to include a co-conspiritor in the investigation.
@goaded except Jim Jorden wasn’t a co conspirators. Even if Kevin McCarthy picked someone like Dan Crenshaw Pelosi would have kicked him off the Jan 6th committee. She wouldn’t allow real republicans on the committee just people who hate trump which she could only fine 3 both in the senate and Romney is alright in trouble with Utah so he wouldn’t do it.
The reason why I keep calling Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger and Mick Romney rinos is because 1 they don’t do what republicans want then to do there not really conservatives she definitely fiscally conservative but she’s more like a bill Clinton era bush era republican then a Ted Cruz conservatives Who is fiscally conservative and socially conservative. Just like if your not fiscally liberal and socially liberal your not a democratic Liz Cheney same with the other 2 isn’t a true republicans. There is a middle that’s not democratic or republicans Like liz Cheney mick Romney and Adam Kinzinger just like tulsi Gabbard Krysten Sinema and Joe Manchin are dinos there more independents then really fit in with either party. Republicans who cave to democratic are rinos and democratic who cave to republicans are Dino’s bipartisanship isn’t a good thing on the federal level. State level bipartisanship is a good thing federal no
While I agree with you that you have to be a traitor be be called a True Republican these days, how do you know "Even if Kevin McCarthy picked someone like Dan Crenshaw Pelosi would have kicked him off the Jan 6th committee."?
She was willing to keep the other three nominees, Rodney Davis (R-IL), Kelly Armstrong (R-ND), and Troy Nehls (R-TX), but McCarthy withdrew them unless Jordan and Banks were included.
Both Banks and Jordan signed onto the Supreme Court case Texas v. Pennsylvania to invalidate the ballots of voters in four states, which appears to have been an attempt to steal the presidential election in the hopes of a compliant SCOTUS. Co-conspiritors.
(Have you never heard of the "No True Scotsman" falacy, by the way?)
@goaded because Dan Crenshaw is a real Republican and gives Nancy Pelosi heat all the time she can’t stand Dan Crenshaw. The other three are more moderate Republicans more like Bush
Also most Republicans aren’t traders most immigrants are traders I may disagree with him but I want to call him traders trees and is punishable by execution that’s the only way to deal with traders
Most Republican voters aren't traitors, but too many believe the lies of their leaders who are. All those who requested a pardon clearly knew they were doing something illegal. All those who voted against accepting states' results when they had no evidence of wrong-doing, were breaking their oaths of office.
Trump took a crowd he knew to be armed, riled them up, and sent them to the Capitol to illegally interfere in the counting of the votes in an election he knew he'd lost. That was the culmination of a multi-faceted plan to steal the presidency from the people. The others were the bogus Texas lawsuit to steal the presidency in the hopes of collusion from SCOTUS, the fake electors scheme to steal the presidency by having supporters forge official documents, and the illegal pressuring of state officials to "find" votes for Trump.
@goaded i’m not denying the trump was wrong about the election being stolen electorally it was it wrecked and the sense of the media rigged the 2020 election 48% of Biden supporters would have supported Donald Trump if they had known about a hunter Biden laptop situation of course giving Trump a skyrocket and the polls he would’ve won if we had allowed elections to be on voting day instead of a month a head of time, also Pennsylvania was not allowed by their own state and constitution to do mail and balloting constitutions do not make exceptions for pandemics you have to honor constitutions doesn’t matter if you’re going to get people sick or not otherwise you might as well not have a constitution
48%? Bullshit. As to Philadelphia, the Republican's objection to the law as being unconstitutional only came when they saw they were losing, they'd had a year previously to object. The courts rightly threw it out.
@goaded RoboKiller Pennsylvania we’re arguing that’s in the moment they put it down go against their own Constitution and suggested that due to the pandemic there will be an exception constitution should not allow for that exception which means there’s no point in having a constitution in the state of Pennsylvania. 89 maybe bullshit but it subjects that more people would have voted for trump without suppression the hunte Biden laptop story trump would have won.
What would you have done if the hunter Biden laptop story was allow to be released. Given your thoughts and trump And I think you’re a sense of a human being you like my big country would have a third-party party if it was true and not suppressed
The law passed in October 2019, with a 35-14 vote in a Republican-led state Senate. The Republicans had a whole year to object to it, but they waited until they were losing the election to ask that millions of votes cast in good faith be thrown out and the Republican legislature choose the winner. Which do you think would have been the greater harm?
@goaded well we were fighting it in Pennsylvania. Republicans even tried getting the argument heard in SCOTUS they refused to take it mainly because of RBG and the moron John Robert’s (worst conservatives justice pick ever) of course trump was a moron between November 4th and Jan 6th because he didn’t actively investigate and get to the bottom of everything to make sure the election was legitimate.
Of course if what he found was 100% valid (not saying it was). But could you imagine the ramifications of that. If it was proven without a shadow of a doubt the election was stolen by the democratic I doubt the country would be here today. If Biden had lost in 2020 and democratic had not gotten there way we would be in a civil war right now. The United States is so divided i doubt democratic will except loosing congress this winter and will likely riot again like they did in the summer of 2020. When you think about it. Democrats basically rigged the election through the media and the BLM thrusting political violence if they didn’t win and it scared Americans from voting against trump. “Nice country you got here would be a shame if anything happened to it” is basically what the democratic message was in 2020. Threat violence unless we get our way. Can you imagine in the right did the same thing. Seems like a tactic that works maybe we should riot and protest every time the government doesn’t do what the right wants
@goaded I am being sarcastic a little bit on the end but it an argument we on the right have been having use the leftist tactics against them see how they like it
There was nothing to find between November 4th and Jan 5th, the audits of the elections haven't found anything (apart from even more votes for Biden in AZ). That's the whole point. It was also extremely obvious, since elections in many of the states Trump would have needed to win were run by Republicans (see Trump and Graham illegally trying to pressure the officials to cheat for them).
There was no truth to Trump's claims. None at all. But he tried to stay in power based on those lies, even to the point of sending armed supporters to the Capitol to illegally interfere in the election and steal the presidency.
@goaded i’m sorry I’m drunk and cannot reply at this time please put in the comments ha ha ha or something like that I’m trying to say this for the morning
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