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They can't ban birth control in America. They can vacate Griswold vs. Connecticut, allowing the states to make their own laws. Anyway, there's nothing that could prevent women from crossing state lines to have an IUD implanted.
You know that SCOTUS is not finished. Cross state lines while you still can.
The Supreme Court of the United States does not have jurisdiction in the case of state government policy
@Jujuman12322 they will when republicans are in control.
It only makes sense given they believe a collection of cells has a soul. I mean where do you draw the line? Every time two people are denied the opportunity to have sexual intercourse, a baby is essentially being murdered. Every time a man jacks off, he is murdering thousands of little babies at once. Mass infanticide!
It's a wonder they don't all break into Michael Palin's "Every Sperm Is Sacred".
I'm looking forward to the festive atmosphere.
I think it’s silly that people defer to old people in robes to tell them what to do. Same with religions, some people listen to those wearing the biggest hats. It’s not a good way to run the world. “The guy in the robes says so…I guess I’m not allowed to do this perfectly sane thing anymore…”. I don’t like it.
Just because roe versus Wade was overturned. Does not mean they're going to stop producing birth control methods. If a person wants to have sex go right ahead and have sex but make sure you take your birth control or make the guy wear a condom. Sex is never been in the moment. It is always planned. Take precautions.
Justices don't get to ban contraception--just as they can't ban abortion.
That sits with state and federal legislatures. So it only happens if the majority of elected representatives want it to happen. My guess is, abortion restrictions of various kinds happen in several states while abortion becomes even more accessible than ever in others. Contraceptive restrictions will be very rare.
Let's see.
It’s coming. A nationwide ban on abortion as well. When a system is ok telling women what they can and can’t do don’t think they’ll stop at telling non-red states what they can and can’t do. .
Maybe. But the only way that happens is through the legislative process. And the only way THAT happens is if there are enough votes to support it.
Oh, and by the way--the only way THAT happens is if an absolute crap-ton of WOMEN vote to restrict abortion. So if you don't think women would ever vote to restrict abortion you have absolutely nothing to worry about.
When Republicans gain the majority they will have the votes. This is what they said they would do. They are writing laws that they know the Supreme Court will back up.
Again--maybe what you say happens, but ONLY if a LOT of women want it to happen and vote for it. If you don't believe that to be the case, you should have nothing to worry about.
No. I'm looking forward to unwanted pregnancies due to rape and domestic violence. And then increased suicides and deaths caused by illicit coathanger abortions. And then increased teen pregnancies and mothers on foodstamps, welfare and increased number of drug addicts and prostitutes.
It's actually just one Justice - Clarence Thomas. The other 8 Justices are against him on this matter. There was actually an entire section about this written by Justice Samuel Alito in the decision overturning Roe Verses Wade.
Unfortunate true, Although legally speaking Thomas is of course completely correct about the U. S. Constitution. There is no clause regarding birth control or marriage or really any such issue.
That means this issues like most every domestic one really was an issue for the States to decide.
@monorprise Well then ALL marriages would be illegal.
@NYCQuestions1976 I think you got the Federal Constitution backward. Anything not in the Federal Constitution is reserved to the people or their states, as the 10th amendment says.
All 50 States have their own Constitutions which do in fact usually either address or provide the power for the State legislator to address theses domestic issues.
That is where pretty much all domestic issues including Marriage, murder, contraception, etc was handled and defined for almost all of the last 200+ years.
@monorprise No I mean there's no mention of marriage AT ALL in the Constitution. You can't strike down one type of marriage without striking down ALL marriage. That would mean ALL marriages are unconstitutional, and every state would need to address that separately... or not address it all. The latter would actually be fine with me, since I'm divorced. 👍😂
@NYCQuestions1976 I think you lost me, without any mention of abortion in the Federal Constitution the federal court shouldn't be saying anything at all on the matter one way or the other. It shouldn't even be before them.
The fact that they are doing so anyway just illustrates power entirely unbounded by any law, meaning they could in theory get away with writing any law they want.
The real problem her is precisely the fact that they are NOT being checked or balanced by the other 2 oath taking branches and levels of Government. A constitutional president should have told the court to take a hike and refused to enforce its edicts on anyone that same executive didn't bring before said court.
A constitutional Congress should have similarly told the court to find its own money and resources for enforcing its edict.
A constitutional State legislator should have told the court to get their own police force to compel compliance with their orders.
A legitimate court by all rights should have no power beyond deciding innocence or guilt in the case brought before them by the elected executive under the laws of the elected legislator.
If that means finding someone innocent by virtue of the law or executive act they are being charged with disregarding is unconstitutional then that is upholding the Court's own oath to the Constitution. But they don't get to order the State or federal executive to do anything.
This was well established in Marbury v. Madison (1803) the original case in which the court claims its own power to interpret the constitution. Marbury never got his writ even thou the court thought he was entitled to it because the executive in the form of Madison didn't agree he was under the constitution and didn't have to take orders from the judicial branch.
Stop believing what you read in the news. That is one out of 9 justices that wrote in a concurrent opinion about it which was dicta. 1 won't do anything. And the supreme court doesn't ban things. Legislatures do that. The Supreme court only rules on whether laws are constitutional.
Contraception is in the same legal bucket as Roe was.
Not even close. Roe was about due process extending privacy rights to your body. Contraception would be under Obamacare which is along the lines of what the government can force you to do by threat of taxation. Very different parts of the constitution.
Here's an article discussing the laws that are being written now that removing Roe was a success. A national abortion ban and a contreception ban is coming. Many Republican lawmakers believe contraception is abortion.
www.washingtonpost.com/.../
I am an attorney. I don't need the washington post to explain it.
Then you understand what it takes to overturn civil rights.
I understand that it wasn't a right to begin with. So no rights were taken away. If you can show me where it says "abortion" "body autonomy" or anything close to that in the constitution I'd like to see it.
Um, you do realize that there is no court case in support of banning birth control? So the court can't just ban it. The legislature would have to do it.
The Supreme Court said this is on their agenda. Don’t think it won’t pass when Christian nationalists are taking over judgeships and government seats. What do you think Mitch McConnell has been doing for four years?
Cocaine?
"The legislature would have to do it."
Yes. Republican lawmakers said they are now writing laws to ban birth control and to make the abortion ban national. This is what they said last week at the National Association of Christian Lawmakers conference. And they know the Supreme Court will back them.
What Republican said that?
I’m 100% against abortion, however I think birth control should not only never be banded but given away.
They can ban the abortions. It they try for the birth control they’re asking for a full blown revolt.
U dance the YMCA at ur wedding all typical white people do?
We were too busy oppressing every other race on the planet with our whiteness and by merely existing to dance.
But was the YMCA song played at ur wedding?
All white people dance the YMCA at weddings!!!
We didn’t even have music. We did it cheap in the backyard.
Being pentecostal sucks bro ur brainwashed!
I’m not Pentecostal and I have major doctrine issues with Pentecostalism.
Bro why u hate black people?
I don’t. Seriously.
i think that's fear mongering bullshit. they're not gonna ban birth control.
From the Supreme Court:
"For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all
of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. Because any substantive due process decision is “demonstrably erroneous,”
www.supremecourt.gov/.../19-1392_6j37.pdf
- Griswold, aka contraception
- Lawrence, aka same-sex intimate relationships
- Obergefell, aka gay marriage
birth control isn't murder. the fact that they'll "reconsider" it won't change that.
No they should not ban it.
@leighbee yeah. they won't.
Anti-abortion lawmakers said they are writing a bill to ban birth control and make the abortion ban national. Christian fundamentalists (including many Republicans) believe birth control is a form of abortion.
"lawmakers" aren't some sort of omnipotent beings. they can not just change laws as they please. they "may" genuinely want to try that but they have no shot at doing that. media is just using the wave that the roe vs wade overturning creates. this is media making money with your attention. not something you shoud take seriously.
I could care LESSSSSSSS lol.
Is abortion Illegal Now?
SCOTUS does not have the power to do that, and neither does Congress. That ruling did not legalize contraception, it prevented states from making it illegal. It was already legal in a lot of states.
No they aren't and they don't have the authority to do so. At best they could rule that a state had a right to legislate weather or not birth control is legal.
Seems most people don't realy understand how the supream court works.
The same "weak argument" used to overturn Roe is what protects birth control.
From the Supreme Court:
"For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all
of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. Because any substantive due process decision is “demonstrably erroneous,”
www.supremecourt.gov/.../19-1392_6j37.pdf
- Griswold, aka contraception
- Lawrence, aka same-sex intimate relationships
- Obergefell, aka gay marriage
Again though it can only send the decision back to the state on the legislative level they can't ban anything. Over turning roe did the same thing it sent the matter back to the states.
Republican lawmakers said this week that removal of Roe is just the first step. They said they are working on a birth control ban, and a national abortion ban, because they know the Supreme Court will back them.
All the supream court can do is allow states to set the laws on these issues nothing more.
This is ridiculous birth control not only reduces pregnancy (obviously lol) it helps to stop the spread of sti's, it helps with to regulate women's periods, helps with their ance, mood swings etc.
Stis sure...
Obviously you have not done any research.
I have.
Birth control (with the exception of condoms and which is the only one that can really prevent StIs)... more harm than good... not all women are lucky.
why do you think side effects are listed rather than benefits listed with the official product.
It is a safe, simple, and convenient way to prevent pregnancy. It also has other benefits like reducing acne, making your periods lighter and more regular, and easing menstrual cramps.
Relieve Endometriosis Symptoms and Prevent Ovarian Cysts. Helps with PCOS.
Plus it is our choice as women what we do with out bodies
Does not change anything I said.
I get that I do but in some cases it honestly does help women.
It is totally up to a woman if she has options and she choose the one with more risks than the one with less risks. I agree.
That’s a terrible idea! But luckily I don’t think it will ever garner support among a majority of the justices.
No one no matter what their political persuasion is would support this.
It would be the only time you’d see both sides of the isle in an active revolt…. working hand in hand for one cause for the first time in history.
@Exterminatore agreed 😊
Mitch McConnell has been appointing judges for four years. Christian nationalists are winning elections and leadership roles. The Supreme Court just made it clear that it’s open season now.
@asker
I reject the term Christian nationalists. There are just Christians.
If these Christian nationalists are winning elections, why do you perceive that to be so? Do you think maybe people aren’t so interested in Woke ideology and reject it?
What’s open season? On abortion?
@Exterminatore - open season on reversing human rights.
@asker
👎👎👎
I look forward to my tax dollars not funding abortion.
by the way, this decision isn't making it illegal, it's putting that decision into hands of the states, as it should have been all along...
And 26 states are on board. You think they want to stop at just red states?
That's understandable for tax-dollars. I feel like it should still be allowed as a medical procedure tho, for individual payments. A 10 year old girl came into my friend's clinic the other day they had to turn her away
@queenimpala at the state level, it will allow the various states to vote on it and hopefully listen to their constituents, pro or con... the way it should be.
That could all change in an election. If all 50 states vote down abortions, then the people have spoken. Of course, I don't think that will happen and I think a lot of what's happening now is a knee-jerk reaction by both sides.
I just wanna know which retards said contraceptives are bad. If you hate abortions then why be against something that prevents it from happening at the root cause. Yikes
Can you give me a link to this contraception ban stuff... I have not heard a peep about this like at all and it keeps getting brought up.
There won't be any abstinence. Clarence Thomas will make it his mission to impregnate every woman in America.
Oh you didn't hear? They're going to legalize rape as well.
When I see those smug motherfuckers in their black robes they look like the KKK in reverse. All that's missing is the pointy hats.
Not you Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan. You libtards are all right. How do you work with those asshats every day is beyond me.