He said he wasn't obsessed with crowd size. He said he didn't know his chief of staff's attractive 25 year old top-level assistant. Republicunts believe him. Trumptards are out of touch with reality. They believe anything. Trump loves the poorly educated because they will go to jail for him, and when he pisses they will open their mouths.
Someone actually disagreed with this statement? LOL Must have been a Trumptard.
Trump would never do it their weren't a bunch of people there to hold him back. That ogre has no heart or courage to actually fight a man.
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u There has been testimony from a former White House aide that Trump tried to grab the steering wheel from the control of his Secret Service driver, but that testimony was double hearsay. And the person who allegedly made this statement to the witness has denied ever making such a statement. Of course, most of the media wants to lynch Trump so they are not reporting this twist - no great surprise - but it has been reported by Fox.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tony-ornato-did-not-brief-cassidy-hutchinson-trump-tried-lunge-secret-service-agent-sources
ABC news does currently have a video questioning the testimony of the aide.
I have seen NO reports - NONE - suggesting that Trump tried to choke anyone. What is your source for this claim?
Uh oh, you made sense and asked for a source; both of those are kryptonite to leftists. Either silence or personal attacks are coming soon to a chat thread near you.
@Sixgunsound Let 'em bring it!
I hear that!
So. This Is how stupid leftards are.
The left - Donald Trump is a poo poo baby, that cries and wants his blanket and too stupid to run a country
Also the left- Donald Trump is a criminal master mind that can easily hide his crimes because he is such a super villian...
Also the left again... let's just use Brandon's term for him. The great MAGA king. Is so weak and feeble that he needs help walking down ramps or even getting out of bed in the morning.
And also the left tards. The great Maga king is such a super Chad sexual tyrannosaurus. That he is able to strangle a secret service man (which has already proved false dumb ass) half his age throw him out of the vehicle and storm the capital with cannons mounted to his nipples while air guitaring a power ballad of the stared spangled banner...
... like I have no words, the democrats are a parody of ignorance and mental dissonance that is almost incomprehensible at this point. If 4 years of the Maga overlord made you this bat shit crazy I can't wait to see what another 4 years does to you lol.
Seriously? Does ANYONE actually believe that garbage?
He's riding in the back of "The Beast" (Presidential limousine). There's a windowed barrier between the back and the front that CAN be sealed off. It's bullet proof, and literally seals the rear compartment in the case of a biological or chemical attack.
Just how is it possible for Trump to reach through that window, and somehow grab the steering wheel? And once he had that, how was he supposed to control the vehicle without his feet on either pedal?
To make this situation even worse, is the idiot lawyers in Congress on the J6 panel that allowed her (Cassidy Hutchinson's) testimony to be introduced, even though it's absolute "hearsay" information - in other words, what she (supposedly) heard from someone else. In a court of law, in the US, that's NEVER allowed as evidence... EVER!
Classic proof, the left/Democrats will do ANYTHING to smear Trump, including outright LIE. And those on this forum that believe this bullshit are equally as idiotic!
No he didn't. That story was completely made up: he didn't even ride in the limo on January 6th (he was on video getting into the SUV), and the exact agents Hutchinson claims to be quoting immediately refuted the story. And we're also supposed to believe that 6'3, 200+lbs Donald Trump was climbing through an SUV, past at least two agents, grabbing the steering wheel and choking an agent when he has exactly zero history of being rough or even disrespectful towards his detail at any other point in his presidency? Yeah, no, that doesn't fly. The story about him angrily breaking dishes or yelling at people is probably true, because a lot of it is, or correlates with old news. The argument with the attorney general for example is already well known because it directly led to his resignation.
The entire point of a congressional hearing like this is to smear someone with crap that wouldn't hold up in court and instead sway the court of public opinion. If they ever had anything substantial and actually criminal, it would be in a real court.
Don't believe the propaganda, my dude! Those vehicles have seperaters from the driver and the back portion. That chick giving the testimony didn't remind you of that chick that was saying Brett Kavanaugh did rapey things... It's all fake, it's a show. Turn off the CNPC and MSNPC cable stuff. Notice she wasn't cross-examined as well. What kind of trial doesn't allow the defense to ask some questions?
I'm not a republican but, see it for what it is... a distraction from the gas prices, supply chain issues... and a president that can't speak a straight sentence anymore even with his cue cards.
This is hilarious. Trump tried to wrench the wheel out of the driver's hands from the back seat. That's some Jason Bourne move! Dude's a ninja. ROFL
And he "strangled" a secret service agent. 🤣🤣🤣
Talk about impeachable offenses! The guy is worse than Kim jong Un. I'm surprised he didn't have that agent killed by dogs.
It's too bad that there wasn't a hearing into Pedo Joe's sexual harassment of secret service agents and their wives when was VP.
One agent stated that he would parade around nude in front of her at his house.
Other agents testified that they hesitated to bring their wives to annual celebrations and, if the wives came, the agents would keep Groping Joe away from them. One agent almost punched him.
A senior citizen choking his own highly trained serviceman... Is this the "Ultra-MAGA" energy Biden was talking about?
These are the same "journalists" that thought his big red room-service button was the Nuclear button, and believed his practical jokes associated with it.
"The presedent got more ice cream than me [mommy, that's not faaair]" - Journalists
The US really is a comedy show from overseas that never ends. Please give us more, this material is hilarious.
based upon my assumptions, I have no facts... I dont care, he's probably frustrated he couldn't get into the real action, he wanted to be there. If he was there, maybe could have got it under control, be a different story. Personally, I think it is a positive he was passionate about getting there.
Contrast that to someone who would back off and didn't care and was passive. I'd take someone passionate. If he was really violent, that's a different story. There are extremes that are not ok.
I'd like to see more of that from Biden. Push pelosi out of the way to get to the microphone to set some things straight. Boo ya!
Considering his own secret service officers have come forward and testified that this was not true, i think you need to stop drinking the koolaid. I dont support trump in any way but lying about him looks bad on you.
The president rides in the 3rd row which is about 8 feet behind the driver with a 2nd row in the way, and the secret service agent rides in the first row next to the driver. How in the world could Trump have tried to grab the steering wheel or lunged at the agent? Remember also that this is not a court and therefore there is no cross examination. The entire hearing is headed by Democrats and a couple anti-Trump Republicans. This is about political theater and conveying the message that Democrats want you to hear before the election, not about finding the truth.
I love the fact that the media is "reporting" that an anonymous source is claiming that SS agents would testify under oath that it's not true. Fine, then let's have their testimony under oath (preferably separately, and with anyone else who was in the car).
@StevieNix What irony? Hutchinson was publically testifying under oath. Let the others do the same, preferably without being sure that they will be backed up in any lie by the others.
Like Brett Baier on Fox said: "This testimony was very compelling from beginning to end. She obviously had access to all of the players. We are now hearing from the former president on various posts where he questions her accuracy. He goes after her directly, says he doesn't know who she is, and said he didn't lunge at the Secret Service agent in the Beast, that didn't happen. He says he didn't throw his lunch against the wall, that didn't happen and that she's lying. Cassidy Hutchinson is under oath on Capitol Hill. The president is on Truth Social making his statements."
@StevieNix Nobody's saying she's fake, not even Fox News. If the agents come forward, I'm sure their testimony will be taken. Pelosi has nothing to do with the committee, now it's set up (same as McCarthy has nothing to do with it since he decided to withdraw his Republicans nominees for it).
@StevieNix Nancy did choose the panel, but only because McCarthy decided to leave the five Republican places vacant when the two representatives who supported another one of the attempts to steal the election (the Texas lawsuit) were rejected..
What are you talking about "Cassidy's anonymous witnesses"?
@Lliam
You're wasting your time with this German libtard. He's most likely paid to post his shit.
I've talked to two paid "posters."
Not on this site, but they are on all sites. Notice how this liberal idiot never criticizes Germany?
So his country is perfect? He's a fake and a fraud. He's being paid to pedal his garbage.
@Lliam Because he kept breaking the rules on Twitter.
@Sixgunsound @stevienix Putin propaganda? Why am I not surprised?
@StevieNix If the Secret Service tried to testify, Pelosi would have them assassinated like she had Stanger assassinated earlier this week.
Does anybody else, when Russia propaganda is brought up by a cornered leftard who lacks a substantive argument hear the Marsha Marsha Marsha voice from the Brady Bunch only it is saying Russia Russia Russia?
@Sixgunsound So you buy into the crap that Russia is invading Ukraine to save them from Nazis?
There is nothing to buy into. The Nazi brigade did in fact publicly surrender. Anyone who pretends that didn’t happen is the delusional one.
@Sixgunsound, obviously the only information that @goaded has access to is msm, government and NATO approved propaganda. It's amusing when people like this express their "opinions", which are the opinions they are spoon fed by the global puppet masters.
@Sixgunsound @Lliam Saying the Asov Brigade is running the country is like saying the Oath Keepers are running America. Yes, there are fascists, no they're not running the country. It's really not that complicated.
At least we have the Secret Service agents who say they will testify under oath that none of this ever happened. Too bad none of this will see the light of day.
I wonder if Cassidy Huthinson has the same psychiatrist that Christine Blasey Ford does. ?
When the Republicans take the house and senate, they will conduct their own hearing, and Nancy won't be choosing the panel, and she won't even be on it. But both her and Cassidy will be answering questions under oath. I hope they also question Ford about all of her many lies. They all need to go to prison.
No, the public are coming to understand exactly what happened. You keep making assertions about what the committee will do with absolutely no basis.
Republicans who were in a position to know have often refused to testify. Why?
We now know that Trump knew the crowd was armed before he sent them to the Capitol based on what we know he knew were lies. It's a federal crime to interfere in governmental functions.
@exitseven You're correct. And no one gets to cross examine any of the witnesses.
That's actually the least important in part. The fact he wanted them to let more armed people join the mob, was angry about it, wanted to join them and tweeted about Mike pence to that mov while his life was in danger from his lies. The meetings and the warnings and his persistence in trying to to overturn an election he lost.
The requests for pardons from republicans who KNOW what they did was the very definition of sedition.
1) No one knows the woman that claims it
2) It is a lie
3) Trump couldn't physically do it if he wanted to
4) There is a bullet proof glass he can't reach through
5) The people in car with Trump said it never happened
But you liberals keep inventing and making up stuff. Trump will be running in 2024. They already tried him in Senate twice for the same thing.
Just hear to read all the: “EVERYONE IS LYING UNDER OATH, ONLY TEAM TRUMP IS TELLING THE TRUTH, ON *TRUTH* SOCIAL, IT’S RIGHT THERE IN THE NAME, DUMMIES!” comments🤡🎪🤹♀️
*Just here
Holy shit…. I need to start drinking coffee, lmfao
Unfounded heresy. The January 6th Committee didn't even look to confirm with the Secret Service. Additionally, Secret Service agents are willing to testify to refute the third party testimony.
Typical of people like you. Partisan to the core. Facts don't matter. Hiding the truth is standard. Moving on...
If you’ve been absorbing all the rumors about trump for the last 6 years this may sound plausible, but if you’ve been paying attention to how many end up being unsubstantiated or flat out lies, the entire testimony the other day sounds so stupid it’s hard into believe that many people took it seriously. I truly believe people have an entire caricature built up in their minds about Trump that has no solid basis in reality.
At this point in time the truth doesn't matter to either side. Even if it was to be true republicans won't believe it. You could have a smoking gun and they wouldn't believe it. The same applies to Democrats and Hillary. Neither side cares about the truth because with the internet there are 1000's of truths to choose from. People believe whatever truth is convenient for what they stand behind.
Lol I'm fairly sure it never happened. Besides if the president of the United States says he wants to go somewhere isn't it like... it has to happen... kinda... I'm not sure anyone can overrule the president 🤔
The secret service is not interested in driving a president into an angry mob. Their one job is to protect the president not deliver his chicken McNuggets.
@BlacklightShade yeah I don't know like. But I am like pretty sure, that Trump never tried to grab the steering wheel lol and also he didn't try to strangle his secret service agent. It's ludicrous.
@bratsondanielle. You are talking to fully indoctrinated Biden voters, they are mentally ill.
@KrakenAttackin Meanwhile "Trump is innocent".
@BlacklightShade Trump has his faults for siret, but it's the people who hate him the most who created him.
Trump is guilty!!! Yes guilty!! He's guilty of making our military great, our country prosperous. Guilty of making the border more secure than ever. He's guilty of making America energy independent.
They all say the media this the media that
follow Wall Street journal… they can’t lie because they are literally the stock market haha they just can’t lie
and yeah lmao he really wanted to go to the capitol haha… he prob would’ve been the one to hang pence with the zip ties
I don't believe most of the stuff the media says since they usually lie and exaggerate everything. So I guess no I am not super worried about it
You don't need to watch "the media" to know what's happening. You understand the Jan 6 hearings are televised live, and almost all of the eye witnesses are die-hard Republicans, right?
No one knows her and she was lying and it was easy to see
@888theGreat You're not very bright. He was impeached twice, he wasn't removed from office. That's a different part of the process.
Unlike most of Trump's supporters and cronies, who will lie under oath or any other time for that matter, I seriously doubt this woman has told a single lie.
Try and wrap your tiny little brain around this - she was in Trump's court. She worked under Mark Meadows. She's a Republican. WHY would she suddenly lie?
You Trumpers are so fucking pathetic it's unbelievable. You actually believe that NO ONE who has been in the Trump White House that has bad things to say could "possibly" be telling the truth! It's fucking amazing! You don't realize how stupid you are, do you? You will maintain to your dying day that Trump has never lied, never done a single thing wrong. Even when you hear the recording of his call to the Secretary of State in Georgia, begging for him to overturn the vote - this is ok with you all.
Every one of you is fucked in the head.
@loveslongnails. You're hyperventilating. Democrats are so full of histrionics. TDS cracks me up.
@888theGreat You think anybody, and everybody, who ever utters a bad word about Trump, is lying. It's beyond your comprehension that over 8 years of campaigning, being President, and post Presidential actions, that your fuhrer has EVER done a single thing wrong, or lied about anything. Every case, every instance, in the last 8 years, is either someone else lying, or the media exaggerating. EVERY instance.
THAT Sir, is why you're an idiot and you've drunk the Kool-Aid, and truly are the one with "Trump Derangement Syndrome". You can't be taken seriously, at all, because you're 100% in denial.
@loveslongnails. And democratic voters have no clue about Democratic presidents. They even treat Dubya as an elder statesman, but somehow they've been convinced that Trump is the epitome of evil. It's actually laughable.
@Lliam Trump IS very fucked up, and what he tried to do in the WH was very fucked up. Dubya is just an older fool than he was when he was younger. And here you are speaking for "Democratic voters" and what they know about Democratic Presidents because... why? Because that has ANYTHING to do with the point at hand? No, your reference is as foolish as your hyperbole.
You, like any Trumper, can't stick to the topic, which is "what has Trump done". Instead, you want to talk about Clinton, Obama, JFK, whoever you can sidetrack the conversation with. You hope to prove that Trump was "no worse" than them. Well, you're dead wrong. He set a new bar for Presidential sliminess and gutter dwelling.
@loveslongnails. First, I'm not a Trumper. I'm not a huge fan. Although, to you, anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a Trumper, neo-Nazi, ultra right wing, homophobic, racist, anti-vaxer.
Second, your comment proved my point. You don't have the slightest idea what's going on. How could you? You trust msm.
@loveslongnails. You're right. Age doesn't guarantee wisdom. For example, I doubt if you will ever grow past being a brainwashed ideologue.
@Lliam Says the brainwashed ideologue. You should look up definitions before you use "big" words. Try and stick to the subject at hand, which you haven't shown you can do as yet. An ideologue is uncompromising, and often very dogmatic. The only "dogma" here is that Trump is, without a doubt, a slimeball who tried to subvert the laws he was sworn to protect, MANY times. The fact that you won't believe the proofs of this, is your own problem. Those who recognize, are not uncompromising ideologue. You're just a fool not to.
@loveslongnails, you described yourself perfectly. What's funny about brainwashed ideologues is they assume that everybody is one. They have no concept in their minds for open- minded investigation and unbiased assessment. They have "beliefs", not opinions. And non-believers are the enemy.
You're a fanatic, dude.
@Lliam I'm fanatically against Trump, everything he stands for, and virtually everyone he's associated with. Why, because it's warranted. yeah, that's an idealogue. He did one or two good things as President, that's it. As I stated,, my family knows his, worked with his, and knows him. There's nothing to be "open-minded" about when it comes to that shithead. He is what he's always been. Your "unbiasedness" is just a refusal to look at the facts surrounding him and his actions/cohorts. That's not wisdom. Ignorance is the enemy, and those who have embraced him are at best, ignorant about him.
@loveslongnails. Your TDS isn't a result of objective observation. Your weak mind has been manipulated along with the rest of the mindless mob by mainstream media. You've become irrationally obsessed to the point of lashing out all around you. It's not sane behavior.
@Lliam Excuse me dude, TDS is reserved for those who support Trump, not those who know who and what he is. If I lash out at anyone, it's weak-minded Trumpers who would fuck up a rubber bag and a steel ball.
I have personally observed more about him and his family than you can ever know, having dealt directly with them in NYC. You continually CHOOSE to overlook the main thing that I know about Trump and his family, AND his workings in NYC and Atlantic City... which is, direct personal experience. You have nothing in that regard. Mainstream media, and by that you mean "liberal media", not Fox, Breitbart, OAN or Newsmax so call it like it is, about him reflects what I already knew 15 years ago. None of it is news to me. If I EVER meet an "objective Trumper" who actually knows anything about him and his works, OTHER than what those aforementioned "news outlets" say about him, then I'll eat my hat. Your failure to recognize what he is, and has done, is your own failure, not my "derangement". Sheeesh.
@loveslongnails. Just because someone isn't obsessed with the TDS narrative, you assume they are a Trumper. That tells me all I need to know about your political sophistication.
So you have personal experience with Trump and his family? Do you also have personal experience with douche bags like the Bushes, Clintons, Bidens, or any of the other creatures who influence policy?
I focus on policies and actions, not persona.
@Lliam Actually, yes. But so what? Also the former heads of the DEA, Bill Comey and a few others, and I've relatives who have served in cabinet positions. However, that's not relevant to the question (whether they are douchebags or not). You know ZIP about my "political sophistication", as usual, you just think you do. But you're not an idealogue. OK, I've wasted enough time with you. Be well, talk to someone else.
This appears to be hear-say. The Clinton’s, especially Hillary, were famous for treating their Secret Service agents like dirt. Being assigned to guard Hillary is a punishment assignment with the Secret Service.
The secret service agents with him when this supposedly happened have already said they would testify under oath that it didn't happen. Also the person that said it happened was not under oath. So she could lie with no consequences.
I literally watched her get sworn in, she was absolutely under oath, man.
@WhiteSteve Then cross examine her with the secret service agents who where in the car with Trump when it supposedly happened. Given that there are clearly two sides of this story you can't consider one and ignore the other. Because in the end such an action would iligetimse any curt parascending in question. That goes for any court hearing any case. So it goes way higher then anyone's political views.
That will all come if the DoJ acts on this and files criminal charges, which looks harder and harder to avoid doing even if you wanted to, at some point the DoJ look like absolute assholes if they ignore this. I’m fine with cross-examinations and all that, but that’s for the trial. These are just hearings. And not for nothing, they’ve subpoenaed all kinds of people on Trump’s side of this, and they’re all pleading the fifth —General Flynn even took the fifth to the question “Do you believe there should be a peaceful transfer of power?”— , or they’re refusing to testify altogether. Where’s all the cries of “if you’re innocent then you should have nothing to worry about” that we usually hear? Shit, Trump himself once said “only the mob pleads the fifth”, so, I mean….🤷♂️ Testify under oath, they’d welcome any of these people, that’s all the American people want to hear, their words under oath and under penalty of perjury, like literally everyone else is doing. That could put all this to rest, and make the Committee look like fools. But so far, it’s only the Trump camp looking foolish, and more crooked by the day.
@WhiteSteve I'm just getting back to the point of not caring and tuning everything out. Simply because the hypocrisy on both sides of political and social debates is getting beyond old. Also frankly people on both side are quick to say they want everything equal, fair and just. But under their sides terms. So the words and ideas of equal, fair and just have no meaning at this point.
You’re not wrong there. Absolutely shitshow. I’ve been where you are for a long time, this just happens to be good TV, so I’m following it😂 Honestly, hostile cross-examination might make me run through all the popcorn in the house, lmao. But yeah, I’ve realized “people” just broadly suck, and our politicians are just reflections of that.
All these non-stories CNN & Fox news are to distract us from what's really going on.
I went to the DEA academy in the early 90's and ended up hanging out with a group of USSS agents for a couple of weeks. I don't believe for a second that Trump would have been able to harm a USSS agent.
And Cassidy Hutchinson said he tried grab a steering wheel in the presidential limo from 10 feet away. Do you believe everything she is saying? I don’t.
That SSA has already said publicly that he’ll testify that never happened. Knock it off.
The secret service agent should have smacked this idiot in self defense.
Trump was in the back seat of the limo. He could not even reach the driver. It's more fake news from the J6 kangaroo court.
Hearsay is not acceptable in a court of law. But this kangaroo court will allow anything.
Um, you know that was hearsay? And that the agents that were there are willing to testify under oath to the contrary. Which is saying something, as they are a pretty tight lipped group.
Are you interested in buying the Brooklyn bridge for a charitable price?
I also know a Nigerian and a Saudi prince who could really use your help!
Says who? CNN? Msnbc?
You saw it with your own eyes?
I heard you raped a woman? Maybe we should ask the police if it's okay with them
Some leftists will believe anything if it's convenient for their agenda...
He did? How?
Trump would have to be 100 pounds less and have Wilt Chamberlain arms and he was in SUV not limo. Right there proves it was one big lie
@888theGreat You realise pointing out that it was an SUV, not the Beast, just destroys @Kiran_Yagami's argument, right?
LoL that story is made up its not true quit believing the lies
Wrong. The secret service said it never happened, period.
Do you really believe that? Come on.
I wish the agent would have punched him out.
LMFAO he tried choking who now?
The Secret Service is denying it, though.
Can you give me a link? Oh, never mind: “The United States Secret Service has been cooperating with the Select Committee since its inception in spring 2021, and will continue to do so, including by responding on the record to the Committee regarding the new allegations surfaced in today’s testimony.” Which in no way is a denial (or confirmation) of the events.
Or do you have another official statement?
www.newsweek.com/three-denials-cassidy-hutchinsons-explosive-trump-testimony-1720338
"Alexander also said that a "source close to the Secret Service says both men dispute Trump grabbed the steering wheel or assaulted an agent."
"They do not deny that Trump was irate and demanded they drive to the Capitol," he added."
Trump's denial is obviously worthless, and "being available to testify under oath" is not the same as actually testifying under oath that it's untrue. (The follow-up question would be to ask if the conversation she reported took place, because she seems to have taken notes at the time.)
Also, this was exactly what I said yesterday: "Some anonymous source supposedly "close to the the Secret Service" is claiming that they "would" deny it *IF* they were to testify under oath."
Beats leaving people to die in Afghanistan 🤷♂️
The left behind equipment was literally not worth bringing back not to mention no sane person ever expects a military to bring back all its toys when going back home after a conflict. Usually the images shown as examples of equipment left behind is actually equipment given to the local forces and is no longer the USAs concern.
Also yes Trump did fuck up the withdrawal.
@Soteris Lol! Biden fucked up so many things, is it Trumps fault too the babies ran out of milk? Oh no that's Biden. Their is NO FUCK UP in withdrawls were fucking AMERICA worlds strongest military we do what we want. But guess what Biden FUCKED that up their is no way we just get up and leave, tons of Americans behind, during the start of the Afghanistan war we sent in 12 SF guys, so you mean to tell me In our pullout we can't ask for 300 coalition forces from each NATO country or have 1,000 dudes and a Spec ops group watch over our logistical pull out and make sure all Americans get out? And if the dumb ass Taliban wanna shoot it out? We can send out our Seals and Special Forces Groups to go chase them down, and Canoe their heads make sure they all pull out safely and then get all the others out. It's funny cause Britain had no issue with their pull out but we do? Not even enough decency to drop bombs on our own equipment? Instead just leave it to the Taliban and forget about it?
@Juxtapose If I am not mistaken, those are all either wrecks not worth the parts if salvaged or the equipment handed off to the local forces and as such, not owned by USA anymore and not something you could take back with you anyway.
The dishonesty of the numbers are very apparent to me since I remember those aircraft you so gleefully listed. They were given away to the local forces.
Also leaving equipment behind is partially because a lot of it is not worth the effort to recover. For example, leaving a busted up Humvee sounds like its important but in reality its just a car. Not only that, its an old and shitty car that USA is trying to replace in the first place. Anything actually of value such as modern technology or vehicles were destroyed before leaving. You might find a Humvee for example but if it had modern radios it is probably either gone or the radio is busted beyond repair.
But again, that is only partially the reason. The other is that soldiers dump their stuff everywhere. The abandoned military gear left in Europe after WW2 started its own industry to gather it, salvage it or resell it. I am not even going to bother arguing this point with you because its such a stupid accusation.
So yeah. How about you try that again but without using faulty numbers as your facts?
@Fuentes Actually yes. It is Trumps fault that the babies ran out of formula. More specifically he screwed up the handling of Covid19 at the start which resulted in supply chain issues and also completely dropped the ball on health and safety as well as regulations on companies which resulted in the whole disaster with the major producer getting its supply tainted.
Completely preventable if the country were actually ran competently.
As for how Trump fucked up the withdrawal? He literally gave a promise on behalf of USA to leave on a certain date, meaning your enemies now know what you are planning and can plan accordingly. It also means they are no longer going to negotiate with you because they know that if they just wait a bit then you will no longer be their problem anymore. This put Biden in a really shitty situation since if he left then shit would end terribly.. as it did.. but if he stayed then he would tarnish USAs reputation and also fuck things up.
All because Trump wanted to score extra votes in his election by promising to leave Afghanistan.. All those people died and all that wasted effort.. I doubt Trump cares though.
Its also funny you should bring up getting help from your Allies.. They would not have helped you. You burned that bridge when you abused NATO to wrongfully invade Afghanistan in the first place and started the whole shitshow. Not to mention how Trump alienated all of USAs friends to the point where they started to re-evaluate even relying on USA in the first place.
Also worth noting that Britains withdrawal is also a disaster and is blamed on Boris Johnson AKA budget Trump. Something about incompetent leaders fucking things up.
@Soteris that's all Biden fault cause NATO had no issue working with for thr Ukraine war so why on earth would they have an issue with helping us pull out of Afghanistan if the Taliban were that big of a threat to where he needed to leave Americans behind? How is that Trumps fault? Biden is the President he get a task force ready to pull Americans out lol and why would u think leaving our tax dollars worth our equipment is OK because most of it is outdated? That's still millions of dollars we all paid for as citizens lol so no that's not OK it was left for the enemy to take at all. Why can't you just take the L for Biden why are all. these excuses all bring thrown out of the left fieled for him he is a horrible President. Horrible lol
@Fuentes Its actually the other way around. NATO and particularly the EU dragged USA into the Ukraine conflict. USA got involved long after shit had already hit the fan and NATO had already began to move. USA is not the main player in this drama and perhaps its important to remind you of that since you appear to be very self centered.
As for the Taliban, they are only a threat because USA invaded Afghanistan and continued to mess around in that region. Europe has suffered countless terrorist attacks and refugees as a direct result of you invading the wrong country for selfish reasons. No, NATO would not come in and save you.
As for not bringing back all the equipment and complaining about the cost.. You do realize that transporting all that crap back is probably more expensive than leaving it in the first place right? You had a better argument when it was just about keeping it out of the hands of your enemies but even that is fairly pointless unless you intend to go back there since its not like the Taliban is going to launch a naval invasion of USA. As long as you stay the fuck away from Afghanistan it does not matter what they recovered from you.
I am perfectly fine with trash talking Biden because he is a fucktard of a president. I however limit myself to things he actually did poorly because I have no need to make shit up like you people.
@Soteris transferring our supplies to Jordan or Germany or Turkey all close by countries we have bases in or even in Africa would cost tons of money? but leaving Americans behind is cool? You know we have bases all over the world? That's how we invade others airspace so quick. And our spec ops have no issue taking down targets and eliminating cells through the use of all our bases and through allied countries we are in for joint training lol so no way Biden just fucked up. And do you know how many Afghani were killed in the war, do you mean to tell me they rebuild their forces? Hahaha no they did not have enough men as they did before its just abuncha foreign fighters and dudes ready to commit suicide. That's it so their is no way we could have not controlled that situation as our country has been over 20 years. Biden is weak and dumb. Whenever we abandoned a FOB during the war because it got over ran years ago we dropped JDAM all over that batch so why can't we do the same to our supplies instead of giving to our enemies?
Biden is a huge fuck up, therefore our supplies gone to all enemy terror cells and they can use it. They never had NVG's now they do lol did you know also Biden just said at a Nato press conference that we will be paying the extra cost of gas because we need to support the Ukraine and we need to pay for it for as long as it takes because we can't let Ukraine fall? The guys a joker he fucks everything up. You can't say he didn't make the Afghanistan mistake, he did he was the one who called the shots, the border is a mess and now we're out here in huge inflation and now paying for a war that were not even fighting. Just accept it bro everything BIDEN has his hands on he fucks UP completely. No President has ever been this incompetent. Talk shit about Trump all you want but our country was freaking NORMAL not a huge shit storm of bs lol watch Biden get impeached.
@Fuentes Yes, moving it to nearby bases would cost money.. in fact it would probably cost even fucking more and be even more worthless as the junk that was left behind is not really useful in a combat situation and would either be scrapped or put into military surplus. AKA it would be very pointless to have in a foreign base and be required to bring home anyways.
Furthermore, moving all that junk would more or less have to be done by airplanes. Bringing it home to USA at least would mean you could use the same transports as you were using to bring home the troops rather than charter a whole new bunch of transports to whatever godforsaken base you want to curse with a scrapjard.
As for the anti-USA forces in Afghanistan.. You do realize that they only increased after USA came stomping in right? That was sort of the whole problem with the war and why everyone wanted USA to go back home. You were not making any progress. At no point were you close to a "breakthrough" where all the enemies were dead and every effort you did to kill them served to recruit new insurgence forces and resources for them.
Literally the only hope you had to "win" that war was to re-establish a local government able to maintain security themselves and they fucking bail as soon as you could or at the very least replace all the American forces with forces from a more friendly country nearby such as maybe Turkey whos very presence would not conjure resistance fighters to fucking materialize from thin air.
Speaking of USA helping the terrorists, I heard that recordings of Trump as president became very popular as recruitment tools because it was very easy to hate that man. Good to see someone finding a positive side to that idiot but I digress.
@Fuentes USA TRIED to rebuild Afghanistan so that they could leave. I think they spent like 140 billion dollars or something on various projects to stabilize the country and rebuild the military. Hence the large amount of surplus military gear that was "left behind" AKA given to their local military to equip them. Did not fucking work though now did it?
I also love your idea of bombing your old bases AKA waste even more money on something that literally does not matter.
As for NVG's? Not only is the number they posted previously complete bullshit. I mean seriously, it even lists Mi-17 helicopters.. which is a soviet helicopter. Left behind by USA? Sure bud, does not sound retarded at all. Also, you can buy advanced NVG's in local stores. They are no longer "military secret weapons", which makes it doubly funny when the Russians can't afford to equip their soldiers with them.
@Fuentes But yeah, the numbers in that very helpful "picture" is complete bullshit and whatever NVG's they stole from the Afghani military after USA left was few and far lower quality than whatever your local wallmart is selling.
Furthermore dont even begin to talk about gas prices. You live in a free market democracy, the president does not decide on the price of gas. Furthermore you dont have a choice in the matter since the fuel prices went up because Europe decided to no longer buy fuel from Russia and has nothing to do with USA. This means that Europe needs to get it from somewhere else, and as wealthy countries they can afford paying a higher cost meaning that fuel exporters rather sell to them at a higher cost than to USA for a lower cost.
Even if you started producing more oil in USA that would just be put on ships and transported over to Europe to be sold at a profit. Free market and all that.
Ukraine has also turned out to be one of the greatest foreign policy maneuvers in the history of USA. The reason Biden is jumping at it is because its been working out beyond USAs wildest erotic fantasy. Getting Russia stuck in a forever war with a foreign country while simultaneously destroying its military and economy as well as maybe even destroying its government in exchange for a little military aid? Where do I sign up?
Let me give you a little hint. Strictly speaking USA does not want Ukraine to win the war. As cynical as it sounds, USA benefits from the war continuing for as long as it can go and hopefully even further. Pentagon LOVES the fact that the frontlines has reached more or less a stalemate and that they are both grinding each other to dust.
@Soteris you sure are good at making tons of Excuses after excuse, after excuse Biden spent money on our fossil fuel therefore it was a huge waste of money, they told him not to spend that money and he said he WOULD ANYWAY and guess what he failed, which is causing massive inflation. And now he says himself on VIDEO he expects the American people to pay these high prices in GAS "Because he can't let Russia Take Ukraine" he just recently said that it's no lie at all.
Furthermore the Afghanistan war started with Bush and ended with Biden. Not Trump lol When the Iraq war ended our supplies sold for hundreds of thousands around the world. So no that was money that could have been used to fund another war instead of making us pay it. And just because we live in a democracy country does not mean Americans are not suffering with paying high prices for gas and food. Your beef is with Trump but Trump ran a well full steamed ahead country and Biden did not at this point all your doing is making up excuses and it's really sad how far if a rabbit hole you will dig just to say fuck Trump lol your no different from any insane liberal here who lives in a clown world 🤹♀️🤡🎪🎪🎪🎪🎪🤡🤹♀️
@Fuentes "Biden spent money on our fossil fuel".. What are you even talking about? Biden is the president, his powers are very limited. He does not have the authority to do any of that. Biden did release some of military oil reserves in an attempt to stop the worst from spiking oil prices but even that is just him buying cheap oil and selling it for massive profits.
And again, USA has no power to lower fuel costs without going full communist and having the state seize the national oil industry and selling it at a fix price. The increase in oil prices is from supply issues and sanctions between Russia and Europe. None of which USA has power over or will listen to you.
It was also Trump that negotiated and signed an agreement with the Taliban regarding US withdrawal from Afghanistan (notably without even talking with the Afghanistan government about it) in February of 2020. I dont know how much more involved he could possibly be besides also mentioning that Trump followed his own agreement which also included force reductions in Afghanistan before the full withdrawal.
@Fuentes So yeah. The US withdrawal of Afghanistan happened on the Talibans terms thanks to Trump and you are surprised they managed to exploit it to gain control over the country?
As for value, its entirely relative. 1 million Kar 98s could be sold for a pretty penny, especially on the civilian market but militaries around the world can and HAVE destroyed such equipment rather than even paying for its storage. So no. Just because someone made a pretty penny of selling obsolete US military equipment does not mean its even worth its weight in scrap metal for USA.
The point about living in a free market democracy is that the government does not control the price of commodities. Ever heard of supply and demand? Governments that take control over industry and dictate prices are either authoritarians or communists and either way the president has literally no control over any of this.
Also I fucking challenge you to name 10 things Trump actually did as president. Stop pretending he did any work instead of just spending his time golfing.
@Soteris
1. Lowered gas Prices, as he promised in Cali. it was 2.00
2. Had the border In check
3. Cut down illegal immigrants benefits
4. Build more jobs
5. Gave out stimulus money no hesitation
6. Started moratorium for covid so laid off people don't get evicted.
7. Made prices lower for diabetes patients to get insulin (Biden made it higher)
8. Fixed overtime pay for essential workers
9. Middle class family's shot up again
10. Brought 5G in
You could not name 10 things Biden did for the US because he did nothing but fuck up, Idc what mean tweet Trump wrote, Biden is not better then Trump in anyway the dude spewed racism and racist remarks when he was younger and voted agaisnt people of color & signed bills to lock blacks up by the load. And money is money so thank for proving Biden wasted money leaving supplies around as again. every war we ever been. in their has always been a market for our supplies. Also Biden caused inflation with Fossil Fuel he sat there crying for his stupid infrastructure bill that failed therefore causing inflation and Russia is not and has never been a main oil distributors the middle east was so why are we seeing higher rates in a war with Russia VS Ukraine? As I said Biden said we have to pay for as long as it takes because we have to stop Russia, you can't hide from it. IT'S BIDEN'S FAULT. Get on over it, if Trump was still in office NONE of this would be happening.
@Fuentes Ah yes. I see where you made the mistake. You forgot that Trump was the president. The president has a job with certain powers and responsibilities. They dont wave a magic wand and vague results happen nor are they kings who can control the economy and laws. The president has a very limited scope of powers which I think you should revisit before you attempt to give me an actual list of 10 things Trump has done as president.
I would also like to point out that Russia is the 3rd biggest oil producer in the world.. Try again.
@Soteris you really don't get it do you, the US has never used Russias oil we have been in a beef with Russia since after WW2, Korea war, Vietnam, and getting rid of them from Central and South America When Russia was in Afghanistan and helping collapse the USSR & Syria lol we were never in good with Russia to use their oil we have always grabbed our oil from the middle east to avoid Russia trying to destabilize us if we ever go to war we never used them ever as a oil source. Hahahahahaha and no the President in the insane crazy messed up pull out was clearly Biden not TRUMP & their is nothing you can say or do to change that.
@Fuentes... Are you completely retarded? I mean, for real?
Supply and demand. Supply is the combined output of every country on the planet. Demand is the consumption of every country on the entire planet. The result is the price of products with an international market.. Like oil.
While you can attempt to isolate yourself to some degree that only ever extends to your national borders. You do not get to decide on how the international markets function like for example which other countries use Russian oil. Like Europe. If Europe suddenly dont buy Russian oil then they need to get it from somewhere else. Like USA. If a US oil company has two customers. One offering to pay more than the other. Do you SERIOUSLY think they would think "Oh hey! The customer who pays us less is from USA so we should prioritize them."
Fuck no. They will sell to the person that gives them the most money. As such, Europe who has a lot of money starts to suck up the oil from everyone else and the only way you as an American can compete with this and also get oil is to increase the price to match how much Europe is willing to pay.
I can't believe I am having to explain supply and demand to people like you. Is it not your religion?
As for the fucked up withdrawal? Trumps fault. I can even show you the agreement Trump signed that ensured things would go badly.
@Soteris nope that's Europe were not Europe this is the USA their has never been a time where we have ever been supplied by Russia as a majority for oil & you know it. You're trying to convince me something that isn't true, do you know what you crazy leftist do when your wrong you sit there and try talking in circles and making stuff up. Inflation is BIDENS FAULT, Get over it and accept it. And if Trump made mistakes Biden could have easily Vetoed that choice but instead he chose to have a horrid pull out.
@Juxtapose according to the crazies well at least Biden isn't making mean tweets on Twitter and calling the fake virus a China Virus lol it doesn't matter if he sniffed children's hair on on live TV or made racial comments or voted agaisnt people of color rights or the fact he signed bills to hurt the people of color communities. All that matters is he isn't Trump & nothing is Biden's fault!!! Lolol
@Fuentes Hurr durr. My name is Fuentes and I am a dumb American. I do not understand that supply and demand applies to international markets. That is why Russia having its oil sanctioned will in no way change the demand for US oil or its prices.
I have heard of the geocentric model where self-righteous pricks thought that the world revolved around the earth since they were so important and that the universe was definitely part of a giant interconnected system. You are the first one who appears to think the world revolves around USA specifically.
News flash: Things that happens in other parts of the world also has consequences in USA. If Europe runs low on oil because one of their major suppliers are no longer supplying them then that is going to effect the oil markets in USA.
Its like you idiots dont understand the concept of object permanence. Your entire world is just the USA and you can't wrap your tiny little brain around the fact that something might exist outside of it and that you are just a small part of a greater whole.
@Soteris yeah and you know what exist outside the USA? OIL IN THE MIDDLE EAST not Russia we would never ever as a country use Russia as a predominant source for anything. Supply and demand has nothing to do with us using Russia, we use the middle east. That's like telling me I need to use Chevy when u hate Chevy and will only use Fords or Dodge as a domestic vehicle but you keep trying to convince me supply and demand so i had to use a Chevy nooooo, I will never drive a Chevy. So nice try but that's not working jt's a joke. We had a war in Iraq and Afghanistan for years and never had this bad of inflation with our main oil distributors but now all of a sudden you wanna tell me we used Russia because of Supply and Demand? Dude you are lost in the sauce completely. We do not USE RUSSIA for ANYTHING big for many reasons. See if you said we used China for things cool I would agree we use the CCP rejects for a lot of stuff but when you say Russia our greatest enemy since the 1930's
we only worked together a few times and a few occasions and then Trump shook Putin's hand, does not mean we used them for ANYTHING. Why because we never get along in the end. You will never convince me that Russia is the reason for our inflation it's God Dang slow and dumb sleepy Joe Biden, who does not right from left or even know where he is half the time. If Trump was in Office there would be no inflation get over it. While dummy Joey cries inflation he throws millions and millions at Ukraine and immigrants. But can't seem to find a way to bring gas Prices down but he sure knew how to invest into a failed fossil fuel project that was said would cause INFLATION and what happen and what are we in? Inflation caused by Biden, pay attention man.
@Fuentes Omg you are so retarded. There was also oil in the middle east before Russia had its oil export screwed up. It was the combined export of all the worlds oil producers, including USA, Russia and the Middle east that lowered the cost of oil around the world. Remove one and the rest can't compensate for the drop in supply and the price increases.
I dont understand how someone could be so dense as you.
Alright. Lets bring out the sock puppets to try explain this for you. On my left hand we have USA with its magical self sufficient supply of oil or whatever you appear to think it has. On the other we have the rest of the world, most notably Europe.
If oil is cheaper in USA than literally anywhere else in the world, such as in Europe, then they will simply go over to the USA and buy up all USA's oil and resell it elsewhere for a profit until USA has to increase the price of ITS oil because they are running out of it. And then both sock puppets punches you in the face for being a retard.
There can literally not be a major difference in cost of oil between USA and the rest of the world because if there was then that oil would instantly get exported until there is a new balance established. The whole republican belief that "If only we drilled more oil then the price in USA would go down" is fucking retarded since all it does is make oil companies rich from exporting it to the rest of the world.
As for inflation, its a GLOBAL inflation AKA its happening all over the world for causes outside of USAs control such as Covid19 and the war in Ukraine. Also worth reminding your smooth brained goldfish self of is that the President does not control oil prices and he also dont control the inflation.
In fact, compared to literally every other country in the world right now who is suffering from the same global inflation USA is not even doing that badly. You are doing average which is better than whatever dumpster-fire Trump did.
@Soteris paying 6$ in GAS and almost 3k for rent and expensive ass food prices is not OK, only a retard would tell us paying high prices is OK. Wait their is a retard telling us to do that oh yah that's Biden and I never once said we had our own oil. We would have but oh yah that's Bidens dumb ass who stopped the keystone pipeline. So we buy from. the middle east their has never been a time I'm US history where a war in Europe costed us this much inflation in gas Prices. Russia has fought in multiple wars we never raised in any prices & we always supported the other side against Russia every single time for years and still never saw this much inflation. Russia is not our main oil distributor and never was I do not care about the rest of Europe who depends on Russia for shit that's not US. We have always gotten our oil from the middle east. QUIT TRYING to paint a picture of Russia ever being our friend it didn't happen. Read a damn history book also you can google it yourself Russia is not our oil distribution. And their little 2 or 3% of oil would not cause this much inflation instead Biden wasted billions on fossil fuel that's what raised our inflation go look it up. You're the stupid one you don't research anything just go. off what you think is happening.
@Fuentes... You do realize that the whole purpose of the Keystone XL pipeline was to export Canadian oil out of USA and into the international markets right? As for food and stuff getting expensive.. Welcome to the economy. Its literally meant to get more expensive through inflation. The part you Americans appear to struggle with is that wages should ALSO go up but the Republican party has an allergic reaction to Unions and minimum wages.
Also you are full of shit as usual. Oil prices increased by over 230% in a month in 1974.
Furthermore it literally does not matter if Russia and USA are friends. You are still part of the SAME world market and the value of your products are decided by what people are willing to buy them for ON the world market. There can never be a serious difference between oil prices in USA and Russia without sanctions because that would just mean someone with a big ship would buy that cheaper oil and sell it to the rest of the world so that everyone had the same cheap oil.
You truly are struggling with the whole idea of globalization.
@Soteris that's oil to keep inflation down it doesn't matter who it's sold too it would have helped US. So thanks for admitting Biden fucked that up too like he FUCKS everything up. Not to mention our economy would not be this bad at all if TRUMP were still in office so thanks again for proving another point. Also again as I said in 1974 that increase was not due to any Russian war in Europe once again proving another point of mine. You just keep proving my points & admitting in another way Biden did screw up everything. But again if Trump were in office none of this would be happening.
@Juxtapose he just believes everything the media says & their has to be a justifiable reason for everything. Instead of admitting no they're all fucking up & Biden and the current Administration
@Fuentes Wow you are fucking stupid. First you say that producing more oil in USA lowers the price in USA and that taking Canadian oil and exporting it internationally lowers the price in USA but STOPPING the supply in the international market from Russia DOES NOT change the price in USA. Truly your mind is as twisted as a rubiks cube.
Then you talk about how this would not have happened if Trump was in office. Dude, most of this is SPECIFICALLY because of Trump such as the shitshow in the middle east due to the Afghanistan withdrawal, the pathetic response to Covid19 and the lack of early investment in green energy which would lower reliance on gas and oil. Not to mention his disastrous economic policies which added trillions on the US national debt.
What you fail to notice however is that the inflation is not something from USA but something everyone around the world is suffering from.. because its a global inflation.. with global causes.. nothing to do with the American President since last time I checked, he was not king of the universe no matter how much you idiots claim he is.
And lastly I just want to rub 1974 in your face again since you are just objectively wrong and today is not the biggest increase. Oh, and before I forget, I would not continue down that line of "Bidenflation" since it appears its turning around and it would look really bad for you come election.
@Juxtapose She gave that testimony under oath. If you claim she is lying I would love to see you try legally go after her for lying. But this brings up an interesting topic (Yes, I know you dont know about this nor do you care because you are just a sad keyboard warrior on the internet without a curious bone in your body nor the intellectual honest to learn)
The secret service fundamentally can't go against the president or former presidents. The reason is simple, they need to protect their lives. Lets make a small example here. Lets say the president has a secret mistress. What do you think is the better outcome?
A: The president goes to his secret mistress while being protected by secret service.
B: The president sneaks out alone without his security and goes to meet an unknown person at an unknown place.
... Obviously A is better. You dont want your president to be assassinated either by the mistress, who might be an agent, or by someone else who is just looking for an opening. To be able to follow the president even on socially or politically damaging situations which could end the presidents career if they became publicly known the security agents MUST NEVER EXPOSE THE PRESIDENT.
It does not matter if the president is currently in office or has ended their presidency. If they believe that the security agents in charge of their protection will sell them out later then the agents can't DO THEIR JOB.
So no. The security agents not being willing to sell out Trump means absolutely fucking nothing to me. If they did sell out Trump then they should literally be fired for incompetency. Them denying this situation is literally what they are EXPECTED to do regardless of how true this is.
So shut the fuck up and sit down unless you intend to convict her for lying under oath you fucking pond scum.
@KrakenAttackin And you are a retard.
@Fuentes You were saying that Biden was in charge of the biggest spike in oil prices in history. 1974 proves you wrong and it did not even need Russia which is a major producer. Suck up the loser soup for being wrong.
As for Trump winning in the next election? I doubt he is even going to win the primary. His little boy DeSantis whom Trump raised up (arguably) is going to wipe the fucking floor with Trump (and Trump is very upset by this fact which I find positively hilarious).
And lastly, global inflation. What part of GLOBAL INFLATION do you have problems reading? Is it perhaps the GLOBAL part? Let me help you decipher this unknown word.
global
/ˈɡləʊb (ə) l/
adjective: global
1.
relating to the whole world; worldwide.
"the downturn in the global economy"
@Juxtapose This has nothing to do with the law. Its just a fact that the secret service literally can't do their job if they testify against the president.. any president.. ever.. Even the most immoral and corrupt president needs to be reassured that the secret service is not going to betray him because that is literally for the benefit of the country because we can't have presidents going around dying in stupid ways or become ensnared in foreign plots just because they felt the need to shake their security.
@Soteris dude the secret service thing didn't happen, get over it. Plus I don't care about the rest of the world just the US and were not that bad off & never in a war we never fought in has our gas prices been this high. It was never this high in 1974 that's a lie. You didn't prove anything except that your wrong. Your precious Biden blames Putin & gas companies lol ao your whole argument is dead. Accept it if Trump was still in office it would not happen and good it doesn't matter if DeSantis won or Trump both are good candidates and both are better then Biden the communist. And you commies still lose either way.
@Fuentes Do you try to be this stupid or does it just come naturally to you? Oil has been more expensive several times already:
www.macrotrends.net/.../crude-oil-price-history-chart
And again, the president does not hold that kind of power over the economy anyway. He does not decide the price of oil or anything really, he is a glorified diplomat with a military rank.
It also fills me with glee to see the Republican party destroying itself with an incestuous need for extremism. Truly a circlejerk for the ages.
@Fuentes Its kinda pathetic that the best way to get you to shut up about ranting regarding gas prices is just to wait for them to go down again like they are doing right now. You are such a simpleminded creature in how you can only maintain one thing in your head at once and then forget about it once you need a new talking point.
@Soteris you don't understand that the issue is our gas prices and high inflation that was caused by Biden. You can't sit there and say I'm just complaining to complain when the issue is Biden and thebgas prices that's why people don't like him. That's why more and more democrats are ready to vote for the other side because Biden's administration as a whole is horrid and full of mistakes. You're not going to convince me at all with no facts and pure opinion. That Biden Is right and it's not his fault when it is his fault.
@Fuentes You mean like Hunter Bidens laptop.. or voter fraud.. or whatever that Q pizza conspiracy theory regarding child molesters or whatever.. or building the wall.. or some convoy of illegal immigrants.. or islamic terrorists.. or Obama enacting martial law and enforcing population control.. or whatever else insane conspiracy theory and/or rubbish political talking point you are droning on about this week as if its the most important thing in the world, only to completely drop it and forget you ever said anything about it in the first place.
You are like a radio that is just spewing out whatever your betters wants you to say and nothing more.
@Fuentes Oh, I said that USA is fucked long before you. The difference is that you dont actually mean it, you are just playing politics by complaining when your political opposition is in power. I have predicted the downfall of USA since the early 2000's when I first became aware of just how stupid your country is.
I have even said multiple times before the election (and after it) that Biden is not going to save America. He is far too establishment for any of that. I simply said that he will slow down the fall, nothing more, where as Trump would accelerate it. So far I have been proven quite correct where as you are going to forget this conversation ever happened in a few weeks when the next "scandal" eats up your entire concentration.
You are so predictable.
@Soteris lol dude you're from Sweden I don't care what a foreigner thinks no wonder you're so off. Russia would dog shit Stomp your country and you'd be the first hoping for a US response. Don't sit there and tell us you wish our down fall but if your country ever gets slapped up the first people you're calling is the great USA!. Trump will be in office again 24 and the US will be saved, you watch. Nobody even cares about your country, I can't believe I never checked before. I don't care what you think! AMERICA !!! 🇺🇸 > 🇸🇪
@Fuentes Ha! You are an American. You think I value your opinion on politics, even if its your own? Actually.. Especially if its your own. Also, looking at the tragic state of the Russian army in Ukraine I doubt they would be able to invade us and we would probably be able to counter invade and secure Kaliningrad from them in return. Hardly the worst outcome in the world, and that is without getting help from anyone mind you.
Also, I would not turn to USA in the first place. I would turn to the EU since American help is never free and I really dont want to pay for another one of your golden ages that you suspiciously tend to have after world wars while the rest of the world suffers. American Imperialism indeed.
In the end I feel pity towards the Canadians and Mexicans having to share a continent with you muppets.
@Soteris for one Mexico isn't liveable look at their people flooding our borders with the rest of Central and South America & 2, the last time the big dogs in the EU TWICE came by and smashed everything up. It was the big bad USA who came and had to liberate parts of Europe everytime. And 3 who the hell mentions Sweden about anything nobody. Ask anyone around the world whose Sweden Pres or PM is and nobody would know. NATO depends on the US the most, it was even you who said Trump was being stupid when their was a war approaching and Russia is watching. But you claim you don't need us? And 4 Ukraine is a bigger country with a higher GDP then Sweden. They were once USSR, don't compare your small little country too Ukraine ever. Again if Russia invaded you all would get dog shit stomped and sit back and hope the US finally comes and liberates you lol
@Fuentes The life expectancy in Mexico and USA is pretty much the same ever since USA's started to decline in the 1990s and 2000s. I do wonder how many years it will take for Mexico to actually surpass USA because at this rate it is probably going to happen and ill laugh my ass off at that.
Also spare me your American mythos regarding how you rode in on a glorious steed and saved Europe during the world wars. You did not. You sold weapons and cashed the profits to then life a wealthy life off our misery and now you are complaining when the champagne train has ground to a halt and the money is gone. Typical American behavior by the way, you should be proud.
As for Sweden, you would be surprised with how many pies we got our fingers in. Not that I care, you can take your pissing contest and shove it up your ass since it has nothing to do with anything we have been talking about. Again, typical entitled American behavior right here. You truly are a pure blood American nutcase.
The biggest difference between Ukraine and Sweden in regards to Russia is that we dont share a land border. Russia would have to airdrop or naval invade Sweden. Here is where I need to let you in on a little secret, Russia is notorious around the whole world, AKA everyone except for you have heard that their navy is utter dogshit and their air transports will neither be enough and also be pretty bad too.
Pretty sure our airforce which is fairly small but literally the most advanced of its type in the world. Yes, more advanced that USA's single engine multirole, could wipe out Russias airforce. Likewise our Navy could easily prevent any landings to happen at which point Russia is basically disarmed.
Better yet, Russia can't even get to their enclave in Kaliningrad which becomes an easy target for us to naval invade THEM and take that piece for ourselves. Bish, Bash, Bosh. Sweden wins the war since Russia can't even touch us without Nukes.
@Soteris the tales you TELL guy. Sweden won't win anything agaisnt Russia. Our Airforce would destroy yours in days & gain air superitory quick the same way we took over Baghdad in 3 days. Don't even compare yourself to us. Also it wasn't Dwight D Eisenhower a American the General and leader of the allied Forces who planned to storm the beaches of Normandie in June 4th 1944? To Liberate France? huh that wasn't us the great savior of WW2? Last I checked we cleared out Africa. ITALY AND France & pushed Germany back actually ending that war within a year of landing in it. Saving the EU's ass. Like we always do and have been doing that's why we're such a big role and vital thing to NATO its self. That's why you all cried when Trump almost pulled us out of it. Because you need our country.
Also Mexico? HHAHAHAHHAA! You must be delusional that country is ran by Cartels and not even functioning and people are running over here everyday. You're so wrong about everything and anything.
@Fuentes Russia has objectively not even defeated the Ukrainian air-force, what the fuck is it supposed to do against the vastly more modern and competent Swedish air-force? That is not to mention that Russia is required to fly quite far, over open sea, completely exposed to our anti-air systems which is again vastly more advanced than whatever soviet crap was laying around in Ukraine at the start of the war. Our Gripen multirole also kicks the shit out of the American F-16 which is the US equivalent.
As for D-day, it was going to happen with or without USA and the fact that Eisenhower was appointed the commander does not mean it would have gone very differently. Especially since most of the beaches were taken practically without a shot. Ironically its the Americans who struggled the most.
USA also had only a minor participation in the war and regardless the war was won on the eastern front where the German army was actually broken against the Soviet Union. The whole D-day thing was just a distraction to pull German resources away from conquering the Soviets and allow them to start winning.
@Fuentes
Its also rich talking about all this with me. A Swede. You know, that country that remained neutral throughout the war. I can't say I particularly care who won personally and arguably it could have established a better future by destroying Russia and China which prevents them from being such assholes today. Sure Germany would be an asshole for a while but its highly doubtful that the Nazi party would remain in power very long and once another party took over it would change their policies back to before. The whole Nazi Germany was never a permanent thing like some people tend to believe, it was far too fragile and self destructive for that.
I would also fucking LOVE USA pulling out of NATO. It would transform it into everything I ever wanted from an alliance rather than the vehicle for American imperialism it is today.
And yes. Mexico. Your income inequality and atrocious healthcare is enough to kill you at the same rate as cartels and organized crime. fancy that.
@Juxtapose I am a Swede. Even if you did "save Europe", which you did not, It has nothing to do with me.
@Soteris look foreigner you don't even know what you are even talking about it's just abuncha smoke & mirrors with you and you really think your opinion is EVERYTHING and facts and it's all some Harri Houdini bullshit. Yes you a Swede a country who isn't about shit and would lose in any war and if Russia invaded your Gov would be crying for America to come and save your asses, You can sit there and say "NO I WOULD NOT" but were not asking YOU were telling you that your country WOULD and you know it.
The US carried all the Europeans on their back and did everything they could not do, theirs no denying that in history it's written set and stone and their are videos proving it. You can't change history. We're number 1 and always have been. Stop comparing Ukraine to your country, they're nothing alike. I I bet even North Korea alone would whoop Sweden ass in a war.
Also all this talk Sweden is weak af and full of soft pussies you guys have prisons that look like university dormitories I would love to commit crimes there a nice comfy prison cell everytime I commit a crime. Get REAL you are. A soft and worthless country and would get stomped and the first person your country is calling for help is the great USA and you know it. Just accept it foreigner.
@Fuentes Well here is a bright one. Calling me "foreigner". Well, news flash dipshit, to me you are also a foreigner. Even worse, unless you are a native American you are even a foreigner in your own country. So.. Foreigner^2?
Again, Russia can't invade us because we do not share a border and their air/navy capabilities utterly fucking suck. I am more worried about Denmark re-igniting our old feud than Russia daring to touch us only to get fucking curb stomped.
As for what my country would do? Sure they would ask. Asking is free after all so why would they not? Countries dont give a shit about embarrassment or whatever you think would be associated with "begging" for help. They are a country, not a person.
Fun fact, whenever USA has problems dealing with North Korea you come begging us to help negotiate with them because Sweden is one of the few countries that actually has leverage over the North Korean dictatorship. But I digress.
From our viewpoint here in Europe we see USA as a 2nd world country. It is actually funny when I meet American tourists over here since often they try to hide that they are from USA because they are ashamed of what they have become. The fact that you still think highly of yourself means nothing to us and even if you regress by for example revoking Roe the world will move on with or without you.
I also love you bringing up North Korea beating Sweden.. after they already beat USA hence why they exist in the first place. Do you need to have a flashback to the Korean war? Shameful display I have to say.
Its also telling how you are just randomly ranting now. You know you lost the argument and is just lashing out like a wounded animal. Bringing up things like our prison system etc.. But you know what? We do it like that because it works. We get better results than you and for cheaper. Fancy that eh?
@Soteris what drugs are you smoking?, North Korea didn't beat shit we pushed you all the way back to China then the PLA China jumped in and we fought them and China was the one who came to table after Truman threatend to do them like we did Japan & China convinced them to sign it and split the country. Read a damn book. We didn't lose shit. We wanted the country to be split in the first place or take it all. Because we wanted democracy.
Also we would dog shit stomp those 1950s idiots we don't care for them but I know damn well NK would beat your ass badly just like Russia would shit stomp you too. Lay off the drugs we are the best and you will always cry for our helps hahaha!
And foreigner ? This is a. com website which means it's an American website therefore you're a damn foreigner
@Fuentes Ooh.. Sorry, did not hear that. What is the city of Saigon called now again? Yeah.. you lost that war. It was not the brightest moment in your history, granted you have gotten pretty used to losing against minor countries since.
It is also brave to talk about the internet with someone who literally has a certificate and education in it. You however, would not pass the class since you think. com is a national tag. Newsflash, it stands for. COMmercial. Its intended for international use. In fact, I own a few. com names too.
@Soteris you don't know anything, you said "it's intended for intl use" but you admit it's still an American site because we OWN it. Therefore it's OURS and you're on it connected from a Sweden ISP, so that makes you a foreigner compared to me virtually & don't you forget it boy! And Vietnam and the Korean War are two different things and we didn't lose that war we weren't suppose to be there In the first place and the South Vietnamese leader Dim Zhim or however u spell his stupid name, was corrupt and the people of South Vietnam were burning themselves alive. No point it was President Johnsons fault & he started thar war and got his secret mission exposed but that has nothing to do with North Korea whooping your country's ass! Nobody wants to go to your pillow soft middle of nowhere country Sweden hahaha!
lol, no he didn't. You guys are hilarious.
Yeah even if it was true I don't care.
Could of been worse, could of been Clintoncided.
Errr. Or did it really even happen?
Evidence? Sources?
Hell NO.
Fake News
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