Absolutely I am responsible as much as the woman. Though obviously, for biological reasons, that responsibility will be carried out differently between the man and the woman.
Truth be told I have gotten four women pregnant. I knew we were having unprotected sex and I was prepared for the consequences. I did not care. All we knew is that we wanted each other's naked bodies - to do what nature made us to do, so to speak.
As nature and our instincts made us to have sex, so the consequences were apt to be natural. Besides, I'll be honest, there was something hot about the idea of getting a woman pregnant. Of putting my sperm in her and making a baby and why wouldn't I want to take responsibility for that.
For all that, I love my children with all my heart. The first woman had a miscarriage. Of the two other women, one is my girlfriend of over a decade with whom we have had three children - my little Munchkins as I call them.
The second woman was a one night stand. We did not really know each other and, long story short, we had a night and following morning of some amazing sex. It was pure animal lust and that was that.
Then about 12 years later, out of the blue, she tracked me down to let me know that I had gotten her pregnant that night and that she decided not to tell me. However, as our son was entering his teen years, she decided he should know his father. So she tracked me down, told me, I took a paternity test and - sure enough - I have a teenaged son of whom I am incredibly proud.
Please note, she chose not to tell me. I would have been there for her - and my son - every step of the way had she told me. Further, when I was proved to be the father, I have not missed a minute to be with my son and, in fact, he will be spending a month with my girlfriend and his half siblings and I next week. I can't wait!!
The ONLY pregnancy I regret was the second one. That woman aborted my baby without telling me. SHE wouldn't take responsibility and instead an innocent little baby paid the price, and I miss that little one and not a day goes by when I don't think about how I never got to hold him/her in my arms. Honestly, if I dwell on it, it can still bring me to tears.
Yup, men and women are EQUALLY responsible. Our desire for sex is healthy and natural. In evolutionary terms, it is how the human race got here, you might say. I would not hesitate for a minute - and I have not hesitated - to take responsibility for that natural instinct.
Beyond that, after the woman who became my girlfriend told me she was pregnant - we were dating but were not at that point quite calling ourselves boyfriend and girlfriend - I can tell you that I wanted nothing more than to be with her and to hold her and to protect her in any way that I could. To feel her in my arms, and to know that she was carrying the little life that we had made together was the greatest feeling in the world. Not only was I responsible from the moment we conceived our baby - I was proud to take responsibility and to do my part. Any man worth his salt would be.
I look at it like this I absolutely love sex I absolutely enjoy pleasing a woman I absolutely want to make her have two and three f o u r orgasms right in a row and that is my goal each and every time that I have sex with a woman I want to make her explode now in knowing this it is my job just as much as it is her job to protect each other before we even lay down with this person we have a responsibility of this the moment foreplay starts you have to know in the back of your mind either she's on the pill or you're going to be wearing a condom or both the man is given that choice and the girl should enforce it or otherwise no sex for that guy that should be the law that should be the rules they're my rules for me because I do not want to change somebody's life by getting them pregnant and that's not being together
So what I'm saying.
Is when it comes to sex it is a two-way street if you are not smart enough to protect yourself then you're not smart enough to have sex if you're not smart enough to protect yourself then you're not smart enough to take care of the baby or be financially prepared to have a child
So if you want to be selfish and you want to try to b******* the girl into every reason why you should not have protection that's on you that's on the guy but when you get that girl pregnant you are responsible 100%, you had an opportunity you had a choice to change the outcome by wearing a condom and you blew it that's tough s*** you don't get no overs that child doesn't get any overs you are held responsible and you should be f****** hell responsible for 18 years with every kind of financial support anything that child needs that man needs to pay up and same with the girl she also had the choice to either tell the guy to put the condom on or he's not having sex it's both of their responsibilities and they should both be held accountable and that's the bottom line that should be the law and for way too long there have been many many men that have gotten away Scott free because they weren't responsible for something that they should be held accountable for and same goes for the girl if you guys want to play you have to pay it says simple it's common sense and the odds are not in your favor that you're going to get pregnant it's just common f****** sense and for any man that denies that the child is even his because he didn't want to wear a condom he should have to pay double just for being a jackass and being stupid and thinking everybody else is stupid f****** morons it doesn't matter if it's a man or the woman they both should be held responsible
No! Unless you take the extremely short-term view; that is, only your lifetime, and ignore the more than 2 million years of human history, that is not possible. During the 2 million years of the Stone Age our women ancestors would have a mate that was a good provider and when ovulating, if her mate was out hunting, would have sex with an Alpha male; typically the Tribe leader. Do you think she would tell her mate? Do you think anyone could hold the Chief responsible?
And, if anyone attempted to hold another man responsible, he would travel 50 miles, further than most tribe member would travel in their lifetime, meet and join another tribe. Even 60 years ago, a man could not be forced to be responsible because he could move to another state and/or change his identity. At the time, it only took 15 minutes to get a SSN card and almost as easy to get a driver license. And, for a couple of dollars you could fill out a delayed birth certificate, have it notarized, and file it.
Currently, in the USA, men can be forced to be responsible, but that will not last another 50 years. Before then the society security Ponzi scheme will have collapsed and the USA will be a dictatorship. All democracies turn into dictatorships and that is where the USA is headed.
Yes I believe he should. If he loves the child which is because he truly loves the girl too, THEN, he should go to ALL of the doctor's appointments regarding the pregnancy and his loved one's condition!
He should share in the cost of buying the nursery furniture and all other baby necessities, even before that "bundle of joy" gets born!
He should also pay for a part of the birth plan in the hospital, etc. Also, after care for the mom, he should help out too.
It was also his fault that they conceived not just the womans.
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u Do you also believe that a guy should have a right to veto a girl's decision to have an abortion? I ask because most women want men to be responsible when they need money but they don't want the guy to have any rights when the issue is abortion. Don't you think that's hypocritical?
It’s not fair. But that’s just the way we were designed. If men were meant to be able to veto a woman’s abortion decision, he’d have the ability to get one or give birth. Sorry, it’s the woman that is designed with that power.
It's a legal matter. The answer is not "built into" someone. You avoided answering the question.
No it’s a biological matter. It’s only “legal” but those in denial.
Okay You MUST be right.
@OlderAndWiser I agree with you on many things but this is one area THAT I WILL NEVER AGREE WITH YOU ON
A MAN H. A. S. N. O. R. I. G. H. T. OVER A WOMAN'S BODY. N. E. V. E. R! E. V. E. R!
Is it unfortunate for good men who have no say over a woman's choice to have an abortion... Of course I was always ache for the men who deserve to be fathers but the woman choose not to carry. But I'm sorry this is how it has to be. THE MOMENT carrying a child is done by a man then the man (and only the man) will have the right to make choices for the baby and his body... The moment a child can be grown in an artificial incubator then a man has a right to make choices for the growing infant... BUT SCIENCE IS NOT THERE YET. IT IS NOT HYPOCRITICAL. You can't knock a woman down for having an abortion and then knock a woman down who chooses life and asks for support from the biological father. NOW THATS HYPOTHETICAL! You can't have it both ways. IF you are pro life then you need to be supportive of those brave women who made the choice to keep their baby!
@meetkitty123 I understand why women feel that way, but that baby that's inside the girl is half his and half hers. There is no fair resolution to that matter.
Maybe women should start forcing vasectomies to men. Maybe them they’ll know what it’s like.
As cruel as it may sounds it doesn't mean I don't care about the dear men who do deserve to be fathers and it doesn't mean I don't have a heart towards those unborn I know that in a circumstance like this my obligation lies on the rights of the woman's body.
WE ARE NOT INCUBATORS WE ARE NOT SLAVES AND A MAN DOES NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO OUR BODY. NOR is it just to be castigated no matter which choice we choose whether it is life or an abortion. If we choose an abortion we are baby killers and if we choose life we still get criticized because now we are bloodsucking money hungry parisites. MAKE UP YOUR MIND which are we?
If you are pro-life then you need to stand up for women's rights you need to stand up for the infants rights as well you're sitting there claiming infants rights but then when it comes to the obligation of the male who put the child there you feel they don't need to be obligated before the child is born that is BS
Go do the research you're pro-life find out how much it cost to support a child during pregnancy find out how much it cost for the medical bills find out how much a baby crib cost the stroller the bottles the binkies the blankets the ETC and etc you can't scream pro-life without educating yourself on the cough of having a child nor can you then criticize a woman for choosing life and needing support for that life
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@meetkitty123 Yes, I can criticize anyone for intentionally getting pregnant if they can't afford to raise a child on their own. No one else (other than the father) should be forced to give you money to help support the child. That's not MY child!
Was that not the point to the question that both man and woman should be responsible for the cost of the pregnancy?
@meetkitty123 I never disagreed with that premise. I merely posed a follow-up question. Maybe you assumed that my follow up question meant that I think a guy shouldn't be financially responsible; if that was your assumption, it was a bad assumption.
I ask because most women want men to be responsible when they need money but they don't want the guy to have any rights when the issue is abortion.
This I am apposed
If I wanted to have the baby but he doesn’t then does he have a right to force me to get an abortion?
@meetkitty123 I am opposed to abortion except in very limited circumstances. I thnk a guy should help wth the pregnancy expenses and become a fully participating father.
Asker:
If I wanted to have the baby but he doesn’t then does he have a right to force me to get an abortion?
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I understand your point
A woman's body no one elses choice but hers!
No, but men should be allowed to opt out of all financial responsibility.
@Lycanthropic And an innocent chld is punished.
@OlderAndWiser you're not wrong. Men and women should be equally scummy or not at all.
Well a man bilogically often has the ability to murder a woman with his bare hands if he feels like it so that should be okay too right? That matches well with "If men were meant to be able to veto a woman’s abortion decision, he’d have the ability to get one or give birth." If women were meant to not be beaten down or murdered by men they would have been born with more physical strenght/ability.
Yes, I feel the man should have a say in abortion.
tbh the only time I'd say a man shouldn't have a say in abortion is if the woman was raped, is being abused, physical/mentally cannot handle a child, or doesn't have a good relationship with the father in general.
Also maybe unpopular opinion, all this could be avoided if people just practiced safe sex or didn't have sex.
@meetkitty123 all your arguments are based on morality.
A woman has a "right" to end a child's life is a moral argument. By what criteria do you make these Moral assertions? Are you Christian?
Are you aware that the action of a woman sleeping around is immoral?
You're trying to appeal to mens morality over an immoral action and situation a woman finds herself in.
Isn't that hypocrisy?
@DoctorSex
Nope
Womans body a woman's choice nothing more to it
If you can prove that he is the father of that child. If women want to put the financial burden on men for child support, it can only be fair if:
A) Paternity tests become mandatory.
B) Sperm theft becomes illegal.
Meaning that a woman cannot make a man sign that birth certificate without knowing that he is the biological father of that child, and she is not allowed to ask for child support if she conceived the baby through sperm theft (the action of poking holes into condoms/stealing condoms/trapping men).
This will create more legal issues, in the sense that now the burden of proof will fall on the men to prove that they did not consent to have the baby born. That's why I always ask men to KEEP RECEIPTS. As far as Paternity fraud, 1 in every 3 babies is born to a man that is not the biological father. When they find out that they are not the father, it's too late to pull back.
Thus, men should not become financially responsible for a baby at the moment of conception, but the very moment they get a positive Paternity test.
Of course men should be responsible for there kids at the moment of conception. Yes men should be physically emotionally and financially responsible for the child he’s produced. It’s takes both male and female to create a child. Don’t have sex with someone your not willing to have a child with this goes for both men and women.
it’s hilarious the pro abortion people “this destroys hook up culture”. Pro lifers think that’s a good thing
”we’re not going to preform a sex strike no more sex with men we aren’t emotionally invested in”. That’s a good thing.
or “now I gotta think about weather or not I’m going to have sex with this guy because I might get pregnant” the New York Times I believe it was had an article where they interviewed a 17 year old in Texas that said something similar. Pro lifers think that’s a good thing.
Washington post ran an article about this girl who had twins she’s was going to get an abortion but the Texas law was in place she thought about going to another state to get the babies killed. Then she saw the ultrasound and fell in love with her kids and ended up getting married to the father of her children he works she stays home with the kids. The point of the article was to subject that this twin baby girls should have been killed in the womb so she could go to college and her boyfriend could confines hangout at the skate park instead of being a father to his baby girls. But according to the Washington post they twin girls should not be alive today. How perverse is that and entire article about how you should have been killed before you were born. In a mainstream news paper. Think about what your saying here
That depends whether or not you live in one of the states that now outlaws abortion. If you do, then yes, he should be equally responsible for the child (although I don't know how he could be "emotionally and physically accountable" while the child is in your womb).
But if you live in one of the states that still offers unlimited access to abortion, the answer is not necessarily. If you both want the baby, then yes, he should be equally responsible. If you want the baby and he doesn't then it gets more complicated because with responsibility must come concomitant rights and choices. If you as the mother have all the rights and choices and he has none, then by definition he should not have equal responsibilities.
I know that is a foreign concept to many women, but you need to get used to it because it's the right thing, and it's coming. The equality you have been preaching is actually going to happen and it's not all going to be in your favor as it has been for a half century. Far warning, it's coming, so you may as well start getting used to the idea.
Yes, BUT only if the impregnation is something he was aware of or even agreed to.
A woman who lies about being on birth control and unbeknowst to the man got pregnant on purpose should in my opinion relief the man from the burden of responsibility. Sure having sex will always be a risk. But deliberately getting pregnant against the wishes of the man is evil and predatory.
Now if it was an accident from both sides, he still should have the right to weigh in, but ultimately, he still holds part of the responsibility. Let's say the woman decides to keep the baby against the man's wishes, then he must have the right to distance himself from the burdens. But that would mean he has absolutely no right or opinion anything regarding the child.
“From the moment of conception” is the unique qualifier herein. I would say ‘yes’ but i’m willing to bet you don’t really want that. Here’s a taste of reality: in 37 states, any woman can declare any man the father of her child and in half of those states he CANNOT compel a DNA test to prove otherwise. Do you really want that blatant injustice to reach further? At the moment of conception, women claim paternity while simultaneously denying every and all measures necessary to determine paternity? Does that sound like “equal protection under the law” to you? Ell oh ell!
In my opinion, men impregnating women and owning responsibility over the child should be a crime. If a man could just easily disown a child, why can't women have the same ability to disown their children? why can't all these single moms abandon their children at the park and just never see them again?
its really just unfathomable why prostitution is illegal but fathers abandoning their children is not a crime. We are dealing with human lives right here. A parent abandoning their own kid is not a joke. It is a serious offense.
It takes a man and woman to make a child. So both are responsible for their child and it's their child. Not just her child or his child. Also it's responsibility of both to prevent a unwanted pregnancy. Also the number of abortions in a given time period would greatly fall of more men and women where responsible when it comes to sex. Frankly I don't care if you are a man or woman, if you disagree with the above, please get fixed. Because the world is already over run with stupid and illogical women and men. We don't need to chance you adding to the issue by having a child.
Men should have the option to be fathers just like women. He can't tell her to get an abortion, but he should be able to say that he doesn't want to be responsible for the child before it's born. Just as a woman is. Women actually have the option to get rid of a child at any time before they are 18 through adoption. But men pay regardless of whether they wanted the kid or not. Seem fair to you?
A woman can have the child, abort, or give them up for adoption. If they choose to they can get rid of any financial responsibility to the child, why should men not be allowed to do the same?
This is a philosophical question that abortion leaning women can never win.
Simply put, "should a man", is a moral or ethical question. In other species, women just get along with it by themselves.
No other animal asks such questions.
In the case of humans, Morality according to the Bible, Qur'an, a man should morally take responsibility.
However, morally according to the Bible, a woman shouldn't be sleeping around before marriage.
So if women want to make the argument that a man should morally care for a child, then by what morality should she be judged by?
Kind regards,
I'm gonna use some cold terms here but they make the point.
Anyone is only ever financially responsible of their own property. The thing about property is you get the last say in what happens to it.
All this to say that men owe you nothing as long as they get no say in what happens to the baby in question. It's only common sense.
And I do believe that someone's seed makes the end result their right and responsibility. But as long as this conversation is a none starter so is getting money
I can’t say yes or no. In a perfect world SHOULD they… yes… but abortion and single parenthood wouldn’t exist in a perfect world.
I think consequence needs to return to our choices. A woman whom gets pregnant without being with someone should struggle and suffer as an example for the rest of society. We can’t save everyone. We shouldn’t try. Welfare systems sounds beautiful like we’re helping… but you need to have consequence to prevent the masses from following in the footsteps of poor choices. Welfare systems are okay for helping people that trip and need help up but they hobble people that rely on them. I see abortion and any form of abandoning responsibility as welfare that hobbles people.
Poor choices have consequences. This is a good thing.
So mostly I say yes men should be responsible completely for the life and the mother as should the mother be for him and the baby.
let's face it when a male loses control of his "swimmers" he loses control over the majority of the decisions made later on. Because I have seen firsthand how some women can and do commit paternity fraud I will say this. A man is an idiot if he does NOT wear a condom that has not left his sight since purchased. Then YOU make sure said used condom is flushed. This right here is why I chose to get a vasectomy many years ago. I have no issue with a couple having a child together. I just think both should be ready and both making the decisions. This is something that has bothered me for a while now. Baby trapping is wrong! Protect and dispose of those swimmers until you are ready mentally and financially to be a father. As to the actual question, yes, once a baby is made both are responsible for the child.
Don't flush the condom lol.
@Friendlybro79 After the act, it is the best way to handle the condom. I know several men that got careless with this. To a person they got baby trapped. I HIGHLY suggest tossing those used condoms in the toilet and flushing. Either get anal when it comes to protecting yourself or do what I did and start firing blanks!
Well, since women love killing children through their "choice," why should the man be held accountable? Keep your power of "choice." Abort. Abort. Abort. Post how proud you are of your choice to kill babies on Facebook, get knocked up again, head back to Kalifornia for another abortion, and post more pics of your procedure and your smiling face. Be as proud as you can. You're a woman (although I am not a biologist and cannot define one from a professional perspective). You have rights.
Birthing people (imagine being called that), including men with uteruses and eggs, have rights to kill. What's the matter with you? Solve the problem so straight white men that you hate so much don't have to force a patriarchy on you, keep your wages lower, and oppress your rights.
Silly puppet! Hahaha!
I believe that with rights come responsibilities, and vice versa. If we're going to go at the standard that that men should be responsible for a kid at the moment of conception, regardless of consent, then that would require women to have the exact same lack of choice, via there being zero option of abortion or adoption. And it'd also require equal parental rights, so in the event of them breaking up it would result in default 50/50 custody.
If that's not the case, then no. If consent to sex isn't consent to motherhood, then it's not consent to fatherhood either.
Not really. Don't get me wrong, if the guy refuses to help raise the child he's a dipshit.
But if she wanted an abortion and the guy wanted her to go through with it or vice versa, we wouldn't be thinking about this like it's a two way street now would we?
Honestly, I'm getting kind of tired of not holding women accountable for anything and then they get all the same perks that guys get. It's like pick a lane.
Normally I would agree with you, but the conversation is changing. Our piece of shit Republican politicians are making it clear they don’t care what we want anymore. So that’s how it’s going to be across the board from now on.
So just don't live where there's no abortion. They didn't outlaw abortions, they just said the states get to decide.
California, New Jersey, New York Colarado, Nevada, Arizona, oregan, Michigan (maybe) are all states that most likely will continue to allow abortions well into the pregnancy.
Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm willing to have someone show me that I don't. But I just don't understand how a responsible person could be pregnant for 6+ months and have no idea.
Its hard for me to have sympathy because this issue was on literally nobody's radar until the left started pushing for later and later term abortions. Sometimes after the cord was cut.
To me it just represents this mentality that women today have where they feel they can do whatever they want and because of equality the world has to fix their problems for them and they don't have to self reflect on anything.
I know this isn't most people, but I live in a place where the abortion laws are good enough for me personally. It's hard for me to have sympathy for women in this case, even though the right is taking it too far.
Yeah you definitely don’t know what you’re talking about. Republicans are determined to outlaw abortion completely. They’ve explicitly said that’s their agenda.
I mean, to that I would just say refer to what I wrote already. I didn't see a big push for abortions to be outlawed until the left started acting outraged that some people had a problem with their child being aborted at 9 months pretty much just because
It was absolutely there. I’ve been personally attacked and stalked while working at a clinic and that was 20 years ago.
Well, you work at a clinic...
That's kinda like a cop complaining they get grilled by strangers sometimes.
Doesn't make everyone a sketchball, it's just a job you're going to be exposed to that more.
Also there's stalkers on both sides. If you want to go by the media and what's publicized, I'd say there's more stalkers on the left... Not that I think it's a fair argument in the first place.
No. Too many women act as if all us men voted on overturning Roe v Wade so they’re taking it out on us men. Did you forget s female voted in favor of it as well? If you want it to be your choice than a man should be able to opt out as well w out any financial obligations. Women saying mandatory vasectomies again like I voted for it. It’s the law for every male 18-35 years of age to register for selective services, something you don’t have to do which is a form of control over my body. But you don’t see us men crying about it.
Hypocrites in what way? I mean there’s a lot of women who have babies w dudes who aren’t even their man. So how’s he going to be held accountable for child support if she’s knocked up by another dude?
I'm not a hypocrite. I want all women to be able to get abortions at any time, anywhere with no restrictions. Hell, I'll even pay more taxes for it. FAR too many useless ain't shit bitches are shitting out equally useless kids into the world and it's disgusting. I want abortion for free, for ALL. This is not sarcasm. I mean it.
Now, that said, no - men shouldn't be court-mandated to pay child support. Our wallet, our choice. Just like my body, my choice. It a woman can abort a child, then I should be able to abandon a child.
Yes for abortion.
Yes for end to court-mandated child support.
Until recently women had the legal choice to walk away from being a parent. Men have never had that right.
Men have never even had the right to know they have a child. A mother can legally not tell a father he has a child and rob him of his right to be a father. And, after years of robbing him of that right, she can decide to tell him so she can then legally claim child support from him.
Should a man be responsible for his child? Yes. Should he have more rights in the matter? Absolutely.
I've read through enough of your comments here to know your views are extremely gynocentric in the matter and you don't give a fuck about men's rights. So why should we give a fuck about yours?
So, my answer to your question, in your case, is no.
You are the hypocrite here, you're just not smart/honest enough to see it.
You are the hypocrite here, you're just not smart/honest enough to see it.
It seems you women are constantly pushing for men to have responsibilities without rights, and women to have rights without responsibilities.
Let me guess... you're a feminist, right?
What? It’s just a question. Relax.
No, it's not just a question. It's rhetorical and we both know it.
How is a man supposed to be "emotionally and physically accountable" for a baby in my womb? Please be specific.
We need to stop asking more and more from men while we already hold all the reproductive choices and rights.
Please also answer my question.
No we need to ask more of men. A lot more.
If we’re going put restrictions on abortion then we’re going to demand men properly support us through the pregnancy and beyond. He’ll wait on us hand and foot like a good man is supposed to do.
You just answered my question, whether you meant to or not.
You're absolutely right, most women want all of the rights and none of the responsibility, while at the same time expecting men to shoulder all of the responsibilities but having no rights what so ever.
When it comes to pregnancy women have the responsibility of carrying and birthing. So I absolutely DO think women should have MORE rights when it comes to that.
Keep telling your self that.
Don’t need to. WE have the ability to abort or not with the man being none the wiser. That’s just the way it is.
And that's what makes you a shitty person. Believing the father has no right to know.
I think I’m most cases he should know and his wishes should be taken into factor assuming he’s playing his cards right and plans to be a good father…I’m just saying that’s the way we’re designed for a reason.
Then I retract my statement.
Wow, 11 upvotes! I've never had that many for a comment.
Asker just let the men know how you generally feel about men like you told us here and you'll never have to worry about a man impregnating you.
I think it depends how it happened. A lot of women con the system purposely so they don't have to work. They get pregnant by random guys so they can get food stamps, government assistance, section 8 housing, welfare, etc.. I've seen it many times. Then these chicks sell their food stamps! They dc about the kids. I've bought food stamps before. These chicks can get like $400 on their Quest card and sell it for half in cash. It's pretty sad. Yet they always blame the men.
They often are and the man's health insurance covers the pregnancy, delivery, etc.
If he is automatically responsible because (half of it is his) then he should also automatically get 50% custody because (half of it is his).
And realistically, half of the medical bills should be the mother's and half should be the father's responsibility.
Ban all abortion, but demand paternity tests. Both abortion and paternity fraud are crimes against life itself. The penalties for both should be life-altering in a drastic way. If the man can't walk away, the child must truly be his.
It is for these very reasons that an adulteress, once the child was born, could be stoned in ancient times. Cheaters were subjected to the most basic form of a message that needs resounding today from the highest hills: #begonethot
The man should have been stoned alongside her then.
@dustybiker : Those terms were acceptable in Mosaic law. It's a pity ancient cultures were hypocritical. Sparing the man for a bribe turned into a business model. Greed destroyed a good thing.
Yes. It takes two to have a baby.
As for veto rights for men if they want the kid and she doesn’t I 100% agree with veto rights BUT he needs to pay for everything; Dr. bills, baby’s stuff, hospital bill when the baby comes, everything else that comes with being pregnant and the after matter as well for the women (after care). That’s IF she’s willing to carry to full term and give all rights away. If she doesn’t he should find a surrogate and have the embryo replanted. Again he should pay all the bills. If he doesn’t wanna do any of that I think the women 100% has every right to what she wants.
Y’all men can get mad if y’all want. I keep hearing men say to women “life isn’t fair. Get over it”. So life isn’t fair suck it up or forget about it.
I think a guy should be informed and held accountable the moment it's medically clear that a
I think many guys make it too easy for themselves because guys can walk away from sex with less problems.
I think we need a culture that also makes it clear to guys that sex comes with consequences for bothand that it's not solely about pleasure.
yes they should and that should be taught early.
The woman has control though, no way around that as it is a physical issue. Without at least one and prerably two and even more so, a village of support or adoption, the kid has little change in this world.
depends. a friend of mine was betrayed by his girlfriend at the time. she secretly stopped using the birth control pill without telling him to bind him with a baby. now he still takes responsibility for his son but i would get it if he didn't in this circumstance.
While I answered yes, women should also stop sleeping with men who obviously can’t take care of themselves. I tell young people “Don’t go on the first date with anyone you wouldn’t marry.” You can’t know you’ve found the right on on the first date. Dating is the vetting process. But sometimes you can spot a “No!” f try on across the room.
What does sleeping with someone have to do with going on a date with them? Or are we just going on the premise that everyone has sex on first dates these days?
@Jamie05rhs with the hookup culture, many young people have had sex with more people than they’ve gone out on first dates with. I’d still say don’t go out on a first date with someone you wouldn’t marry and don’t hookup with anyone.
"with the hookup culture, many young people have had sex with more people than they’ve gone out on first dates with."
@MikeInHawaii SMH. You're probably right. 🙄
"I’d still say don’t go out on a first date with someone you wouldn’t marry and don’t hookup with anyone."
Well, I agree with not hooking up. But I think I would go on a first date with someone even if I wasn't completely sure. As long as they don't check off any of my deal-breakers.
Not a bad plan. Let's mandate DNA testing before a name can go on a birth certificate, and require the woman to obtain a signed affidavit from the father before an abortion or adoption is permitted.
Also, adjust the law so if a woman falsely names 1 guy the father and it's someone else, he is awarded say 20k damages, etc.
I think you don't understand. Rights and responsibilities go hand in hand. Holding a man responsible for a kid but giving him no rights is you trying to have your cake and eat it too. It's childish and immature.
No, of course not. If a woman is irresponsible enough to get pregnant, that doesn't mean that she has to keep the fetus. Similarly, if he's irresponsible enough to get her pregnant, that doesn't mean he has to take responsibility for it. You can't have two sets of standards for two groups of people.
Yes, BOTH should be. But I find women are hypocritical too (different views), but when it comes to abortion, then it's HER decision and HER body. Sometimes women don't even want to let the guy know their pregnant!! That should also be a 50/50 thing!!!
If you were to use that same logic here, than it can be HER responsibility to! lol I don't mean that literally, just saying, it doesn't seem to go both ways does it?
Absolutely, men should be equally responsible and should have 50/50 rights. If relationship breaks down the child deserves a strong relationship with both parents and should spend equal time with both as far as practical.
A man with sense!
You say that as if men aren't. WTF? Any real man is 100% responsible from the pregnancy until they die. Responsibility doesn't end at 18. Your children are always your children.
A lot of men aren’t though. Most men I see aren’t doing enough.
As a Christian I believe that life begins at conception.
I also know it takes two to make a baby. that means there are two people who are responsible. I think that everyone is in the same boat.
I do think there are special considerations for rape and incest
Not until after the paternity test comes back. You can take responsibility for guy before you... no way of knowing when or with who conception happened. Unless your married, and even then you never know sometimes.
Of course. Why not? The guy and the girl were there the moment the baby's growth began. And they both participated in the start of that process. Both parties need to be responsible and make sure they be a parent to that child.
Yes. Every man should be required to put $115,000 in escrow before having sex. Returnable on the next period.
(It's estimated that it costs $230,000+ to raise a child in America.)
Lol. I agree literally and not sarcastically.
Sure, and in my state... he can be. The mother can make him pay half the medical bills that are pregnancy related... and half the birthing costs too, hospital stay and so forth.
If he impregnated someone, he should have to help the mother through the pregnancy, and raise the child together with her. (assuming its a normal, both consenting sex without her popping holes in condoms or lying about birth control)
Two people chose to have sex. Babies happen. If the man carried the woman should be just as responsible.
And for the “abortion and woman” comments. Nobody should be able to rid a child just because they don’t want it. But they should still be able to have a medical procedure when medically necessary.
Thanks for your opinion.
This shouldn't come as a surprise to you, but most men are because most people are in a relationship at the time of conception.
Uhm i guess but if you didn't want a kid why did you let him hit with out a condom like yes hé sas the responsabity but also you have the same amout of responsibility its your body and your choice how someone enters you so i think if he got the Funds pay (if he's capable ) upthere are a lot of ifs and hows Ans specificoments where it all depends on but we all know that right
That's called "marriage" deary.
I find it hilarious that gatekeepers like you haven't figured that out yet.
Uh, no. There are a lot of married men sitting around not taking care of their children and wives properly. It’s more on women to implement boundaries and standards for these men to comply to.
Should he take responsibility? Yes. Will he take responsibility? Depends on the man.
Women are aware of the men they are sleeping with, so why is it always a surprise when he turns out to be a deadbeat? Poor mate selection
Yes he should and in the US in most states the man can be made to be responsible if the pregnant girl requests it.
@Babygirl_S: What a weak person you are. Dropping name calling is pathetic. In fact, shaming the gay community is reflection upon you. I mean, after all, you called something I'm not and meant it as an insult. What does that say about you? What else does it say that you drop immature responses then block somebody really tell people?
The simple truth is you're the weak. You can't truly make it on your own. And you have nothing to offer men. If you did, you'd be looking at the issue from both sides, providing substance to the conversation, and respectfully debating and respecting dissent. But no. That's not you. Unblock me and try again. I doubt you have the courage. In fact, unblock me and privately message me. You'll be quite surprised.
@Zeus_66 Florida for one and maybe instead of running your mouth first know what the hell your talking about. Google would be a good start for you. At least 21 of the states have current laws where the biological father can be held responsible from conception.
Nice pseudo. Seriously. It's cute. It screams "Eat me!" Hahaha!
Florida has no such law. Neither does any other state. Sad thing is that I only used your response to get comment about that dolt, but you wanted to throw yourself in the line of fire, and unfortunately you're going to get shredded now because you did. Ready? Here goes...
As already stated, Florida has no such law. Neither does any other state. However, states like Florida (and Utah actually requiring it regardless of court interaction), have laws where the father is responsible to cover half the cost of the pregnancy. Huge difference.
See? That was simple. And I took it easy on you. I like many of your comments and love your pen name. 😎
@Zeus_66 As a Florida resident my entire life and been in that exact situation I can tell you "your wrong" as I had the option of making him pay for the entire pregnancy and child support until her 18th birthday, plus if she at 18 went on to college he would have been responsible until she was 22. So you can feed this site any BS that you want, but I lived the actual thing. In the end I decided that my daughters life would be much better without that loser in it so I opted out of chasing him down and making him pay.
@katiesmuff: Sorry, girl. I didn't wanna have to do it, but time to call out your bullshit...
Florida Statue 63.032(19) states that "a father is an unmarried biological father if he is not married to the mother at the time of the conception or birth of the child; and (a) he has not been adjudicated by a court to be the child’s father before a petition is filed to terminate his parental rights; and (b) he has not signed an affidavit of paternity before a petition is filed to terminate his parental rights."
Part II: This is important because of what I stated earlier, where you responded that I didn't know what I was talking about. I digress and back to the statue...
Florida Statue 742.031 "provides that in a paternity action, the court shall order the father to pay moneys sufficient to pay reasonable attorney’s fees, hospital or medical expenses, cost of confinement, and any other expenses incident to the birth of the child and to pay all costs of the proceeding, if appropriate. The statute provides that bills for pregnancy, child birth, and scientific testing are admissible as evidence without requiring third-party foundation testimony and shall constitute prima facie evidence of amounts incurred for such services or for testing on behalf of the child."
This is critical because Florida defines a father a couple of different ways. First through marriage if the woman is pregnant and married at the time of conception. However, the father would still need to only provide child support AFTER the baby was born.
The second definition is by self admission, even if he isn't the biological father.
Third is unmarried and court ordered or self admits to a paternity test. These ones are the most difficult to determine for a variety of factors, including the amount of time to legally obtain the court order.
With all of that said, NONE of them provide an outlet to the father (however defined) to pay child support per Florida Statue.
And no, I don't Google or Wikipedia in order to get properly sourced information. I either go straight to the source, or EBSCO Host.
Bam! You just got smacked upside the head!
Thug life!
@Zeus_66 Your so damn stupid you have no idea what you just printed !
@katiesmuff: Wow. That was a very well thought out point that allows us to continue to a civil discussion.
Pro tip moving forward. When you're wrong and called out for it, although might hurt you're ego, own up to it. You'll be thankful you did. And I'm talking about whenever you're wrong. It is a tough thing to do, but it builds character and strength.
Obviously. He helped make it. He shouldn't have had sex if he weren't ready for that possibility.
Taxation without representation is unfair, unless a man has RIGHTS. You cannot give him responsibilities.
You should probably quit drugs.
@Chazmatazz269 all in saying is that men should have rights to their children not just financial responsibility.
Your insult adds nothing and violates gag policies.
@Chazmatazz269 Obviously, you're missing an interesting point Chaz. IF a man is to be held 50% responsible for the pregnancy, what rights does he have regarding bringing it to term, even if the woman wants to terminate? It's a legal question as it stands now, but if the "pro-birthers" want to abortion to be called murder, then it's a moral question too. AND, if it's a moral question, then the man's rights have to be considered as well. That's the discussion you're missing dude.
Like how?
If we are talking about a couple who decided to have children, he's already in it to win it.
If we are talking about a one-night stand, then I don't know. Maybe.
I think yes but that's hilarious that 96% of women say yes because I bet at least some of them are fine with abortion. So in their mind the baby not being supported financially is worse than it being killed 😂
@po1989
is it better to be born and have your mother hate you as an unwanted child, a mother who can't afford to feed you decent food, live in a crime filled neighborhood where schools are terrible, cannot afford to send you college. Because reality is, most unwanted, unaborted kids with bad childhoods , grow up in crime filled neighborhoods end up being criminals who get arrested over and over and over again.
never undermine a bad childhood and not giving your child what he needs to succeed.
if your parents cannot afford to support you after 18, hell you're already going nights without dinner by 16. you have no chance at college. The only place that is gonna hire you is McDonalds, there's no way you would be able to survive on that kinda wage. And McDonalds is already automating its cashiers, which means machines are taking over their jobs. Soon burger flipper machines will be taking over their jobs. If you're without skills, you're fucked. there's no chance you would survive.
@po1989
if you dont have the adequate resources to raise your child and prepare your child for the real world, get ready for some terrible consequences for your child. Be prepared for your child to see the world as very unfair and suffer a lot. Is it worth it? no it isn't. The only reason why you say its worth it, is because you've never experienced a life of pain , misfortune and misery.
@shaysh87
"Is it worth it? no it isn't."
- Just in your opinion. I still think poor people's lives have value.
"The only reason why you say its worth it, is because you've never experienced a life of pain , misfortune and misery."
- You don't know the first thing about me, so this is just a ignorant thing to say.
@po1989
Not only are you destroying the life of the mother who does not want the child , you're also destroying the life of the child, you're also destroying the life of the community but breeding criminals.
I don't think you're capable of seeing the bigger picture of the destruction you're causing.
Yes, you're intentionally ruining the lives of many people. But you're too ignorant to admit it.
A bad childhood is what lead to problems in adulthood which includes personality issues, crime, mental illnesses, abusive behavior.
Did you know that vast majority of abusive parents grew up in abusive households themselves?
"Yes, you're intentionally ruining the lives of many people. But you're too ignorant to admit it."
- I didn't ruin anybody's life.
"A bad childhood is what lead to problems in adulthood which includes personality issues, crime, mental illnesses, abusive behavior.
Did you know that vast majority of abusive parents grew up in abusive households themselves?"
- Yes I knew this, I come from an extended family that has previous generations which were very abusive (as well as poor). So I also know the cycles can be broken.
Think carefully about what you're saying when it comes to eugenics and saying which babies are going to be criminals before they've done anything wrong. It has very bad implications.
you may say that adoption can solve all problems. here's is the problem with adoption:
If Adoption centers overwhelmed with unwanted kids. Requirements to adopt will significantly lower which will end up increasing the chances of kids being handed to the wrong people. Orphans have been bought and sold as servants for thousands of years. Very rarely were they ever treated well. It still happens today in some third world countries.
what makes you think something like this can't happen here?
At the end of the day, its these kids that will suffer the most. And the government thinks they're doing the kids a favor. They really aren't.
YES.
he's the one that nutted in there, without knowing any better.
or PRETENDING to not know better.
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there's repercussions to your actions.
Of course. You said a man. If he's not responsible for his own child he's not much of a man.
Obviously as they are a married couple both the man and woman are accountable at the moment of conception. Only a horrid man or horrid woman would abuse a baby.
I can't believe there are so many guys who said no. Is that why there are too many single moms in the West?
I knew there would be. It’s about time this is exposed.
When "women empowerment" takes over and it is your body, your choice, and you are proud to mash the guy's face in it, then yeah, you don't deserve anything from us. Start acting normal, be responsible, and have a sense of decency. Goes both ways. Only hypocrites here are you women expecting something from your irresponsibility. And you wonder why men refuse to marry women nowadays.
@Zeus_66 Men in my country are still marrying women. Your culture is flawed. Women are treated like objects that can be discarded.
@Zeus_66 your free to marry men.
Since you're gay
Only worthless men are refusing to get married anyway.
That is exactly why we pay for child support and we should have a say if the mom decides to abort the fetus ONLY IF we made an agreement before conception.
Guys used to have to make a commitment and get married for sex. Women wanted freedom and equality. This is what it looks like. A woman tried to hang her baby on me. The test said paternity excluded.
Conception is a bit early, because the woman wouldn't even know she was pregnant. But ideally both parents would be responsible.
Men already are accountable via existing laws. This is not news. Thanks for playing though🙂
Well a sperm comes from man so 50 percent he has to bear... whatever it is...
If he isn't legally responsible, he should be. I can't see how he isn't just as responsible as the woman.
I think that men should be held responsible for their potential lives that they dump into a tube sock three times a day. It's basically murder.
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