Will a sufficient number of the young who have few medical bills decide to outvote the old and elect politicians that will abolish Medicare?

[KelleyNice]

Why should young people agree to an income transfer and pay ten times the cost of their medical needs and/or health insurance so retirees don’t have to pay or greatly underpay in a system that will collapse before they retire?

The following is a 2014 quote from Gary North:

So, this is not accidental. This is more or less a conspiracy to hide the truth to keep ourselves and our kids in the dark about what the politicians are really doing, which is trying to garner the votes of older people and then get reelected and leave a bigger mess for our kids to handle.

Our kids will handle this effectively. They will elect people to Congress who will vote to stop paying the oldsters and their physicians, the vast majority of whom will be dependent on Medicare payments. I call this “stiff the geezers.” I also call it the Great Default. The surviving generations that ran up the liabilities will bear the brunt of the pain, as well they should.

There is no way out, other than default. This will have profound consequences politically, economically, and socially. It will be the end of the Keynesian welfare state. The Keynesians will be left holding the empty bag.

This is how all Ponzi schemes end. But those deluded souls who buy into them refuse to face statistical reality until the scheme blows up, leaving them empty-handed.

Will they be wiser after the Great Default? It is our job to explain to them what happened. We must begin with this: “We told you so. We also told you why.”

[Sixgunsound]

Something tells me no, only because schools exist to dumb people down and keep them confused and stupid. Young people of the age of majority that’s able to vote, having recently exited these institutions of higher indoctrination, are less likely to have the wherewithal for independent thought then the generation before which has less of the same then the generation before it etc. Someone point out that eventually today’s young people will be tomorrow’s pensioners, but that in no way entitles anyone else to anyone else’s money.

[Sixgunsound]

Perhaps any of you socialized medicine fans can explain why you have to schedule diagnostic imaging several months out for the one of a handful of such devices in the country when almost every hospital in the US has the privately owned equipment to do that on site today.

[KelleyNice]

@Sixgunsound They can't explain. You are not suppose to ask that question.

[Sixgunsound]

I make a point of asking questions I’m not supposed to, most of which nobody ever sees because they keep getting taken down. If you think the ones that slip through are bad…

[Sixgunsound]

Thanks for MHO

[abc3643]

No, because EVERY FUCKING NORMAL INDUSTRIALIZED NATION ON EARTH has nationalized health care except us.

In the United States, unless you are very wealthy, it's not a question of IF you will lose your money to health care, but WHEN. And, believe me, it starts even when you are young and "healthy".

More fear-based propaganda, Kelley.

[KelleyNice]

Socialism appears to be the default position for most people in the world. Therefore, I suppose, sooner or later, like North Korea, they and us will all become a SOCIALIST PARADISE. Yeonmi Park told Jordan Peterson, "... North Korean regime is like run by central government economy so they decide how much how much rice you can eat that day per person based on their class so even though the biggest irony of North Korea is that it was founded the idea of equality make everybody the same the communism and then they call it themselves as a SOCIALIST PARADISE..."

[abc3643]

Well, yes, to a certain extent socialism does become the default because the mathematics of reality dictate that it does once you have a sufficient number of competing people. Otherwise, you have ubiquitous violence as people compete to survive.

Let me put it to you like this...

If you live in Montana, having the freedom to drive as fast as you want on I-94 more or less makes sense since you aren't going to see many people and the only one likely to get killed is you.

But, if you attempt to drive as fast as you want in Manhattan, you're going to get killed or kill someone in less than a minute. This is because there are oceans of people and other drivers in Manhattan, so there has to be rules - lots of lights and street signs and other signals - just to keep everything moving, but people and drivers safe.

In this situation, you lose some freedom, but everyone - including you the driver - is safer.

A lot of things in the world need to be like that.
Even the Founding Fathers knew it - order is better than the chaos of freedom - which is why the US military is the socialist program mandated in the US Constitution's Preamble with "provide for the common defence".

[MikeInHawaii]

About 40% of healthcare expenses are in the last year of a person’s life. Healthcare is about 12% of the economy, so 5% of GDP goes to a futile attempt to delay the inevitable.

My father did his part. He had a heart attack and dropped. The healthcare industry didn’t make a dime except the cost of the ambulance coming to the house. They didn’t even transport him.

I’m trying not to be a burden to your generation. I’m fully funding my IRA and 401(k) and I have no plan on retiring until my health fails, at which point my retirement should be brief. I have a friend who is 104 and still volunteers his time at a museum.

[Astarlessnightsky]

I don't know how US americans will vote, but i would always vote for universal healthcare.

1. Young people usually have old relatives, and i would want for my parents and grandparents to have access to the best medical care regardless of their financial status.

2. Young people aren't immortal, they also get sick, and when i am sick i simply want to go to the doc, get what i need and get back to bed, and don't have to worry about how am i going to pay for this.

3. Young people will be old people at some point, and when this happens their health insurance is covered by the next generation, just like they covered the previous generation, its alway a give and take.

[KelleyNice]

You are delusional if you believe the money will be their when we get old. Within ten years, congress will have to raise taxes and cut benefits. They don't have any other option unless they abolish Medicare.

[Whatever2929292]

GREAT POST! I think that people who can't afford it and people in bad stations and people who do work lower paying jobs should have something.

But this whole thing what they are trying to do. When they don't even care about us in the first place. The quicker people find out the politicians have nefarious reasons why they do things... Not all of them... But a lot of them.

That they don't care about them well.

[exitseven]

These snowflakes will abolish Medicare and then if they get sick they will run up big medical bills and expect the government to forgive the bill. It will be like student loans on steroids.

[KelleyNice]

What they expect and what the get may not be the same. And, if they believe in the government, sooner or later, they will not like the outcome.

[exitseven]

I think that any time the government takes something over it all goes to hell. Obamacare is a prime example of that. It made healthcare more expensive for most people. And did not cover as much. Still, I can picture some politician pandering for votes by promising people "free " healthcare just like they are promising kids "Free" tuition.

[StevieNix]

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Obama's cash for clunkers was very successful. I think the government ended up paying $200,000 per clunker.

[exitseven]

@StevieNix All it did was waste taxpayer money ans drive up the price of used cars.

[StevieNix]

Exactly, We all can't afford a new car.

[exitseven]

@StevieNix I was in grad school when all this was going on. I wrote a paper abut it being very critical about Obama and his failed polices. I compared his program to make fuel out of algae something he saw in an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. The liberal professor was not amused.

[StevieNix]

I'm surprised they didn't kill you. lol

[exitseven]

@StevieNix I work in higher ed and I feel like there is a target on my back.

[Anonymous]

that would be hilariously hypocritical of the generation who constantly bitches about wanting other people to pay off their student loans and debts, to get all upset about them having to help pay for other people's bills. 🤣 And no. It would never happen because even the young dipshits have parents and grandparents that they care about and wouldn't want to see suffer and unable to pay for lifesaving medicines and treatments.

And even quite a few of those dumbass "youngsters" are smart enough (just barely) to realize that they too, will someday be old, retired, and not able to get a paycheck from shaking their ass on tiktok and they'll want to be able to afford medical treatments when they most need them. Peace out.

[007kingifrit]

they aren't unified enough, half the millenials have gone for very right wing politics even at a young age and people do get more conservative as they age.

regardless as the birth rate declines something will happen to the social programs. there aren't enough taxpayers.

it won't be universal healthcare though. there is no country that has what they want and it's only an optimistic babble that doesn't look the same in real life as it does in their dreams

[HighValue]

Medicare is something that people paid into when they worked. It isn't a free handout like medical/Medicaid.

The only things that should be ended are the free unearned handouts of medical/Medicaid that young people that haven't contributed to want to use. Let the young people earn their own benefits instead of being lazy and worthless like the majority of them are.

[RedThread]

Remember we all get old someday. Can't beat the clock. My parents have busted their asses their whole lives and they're on Medicare now. It supplements their private insurance through their companies they work for. They have way better insurance now than they did when they were under 65.

When y'all get old you will want to have more benefits too especially when your body is failing you and you can't work anymore.

[Avicenna]

They can't outvote the elderly (note that the Baby Boomers are now 57-76), who have higher rates of voting anyway, so this will not occur legislatively.

[Adaeva]

Yes, of course! Let the old folks pay for it. If they can't afford it, they can do without or die.

[Soteris]

... Public healthcare is literally a no-brainer, even for healthy young people. Not only is it cheaper but its simply a better quality overall. Only an idiot would go backwards and abolish medicare.

[DWornock]

By all means, let's hope so. And, while we are at it eliminate that social security ponzi scheme.

[StevieNix]

Kelley, you disappoint me on this one.

[KelleyNice]

Not only you but some others too. However, I'm not going to please everyone.

[IsoUser]

To be perfectly honest you're an Idiot

[Exterminatore]

To be perfectly honest, you are a waste of your fathers sperm.