Did you know that in the United States men legally can't be raped?

[worldscolide]

This is because the FBI definition does not include "Made to penetrate" Which excludes most male rape victims. There is a small minority that fall under it if they were sodomized against their will, Other than that men simply, under the current laws, can't be raped legally.

Which means that when i was 22 years old, i was drugged, passed out, and woke up to some random girl riding me, it was not rape, It was at best sexual assault. Even though it was a violation. Even though for years it damaged my trust in women. I kicked her off of me, and she told me i was gay.

The original FBI definition of rape specifically identified women as the victims, excluding the possibility of male rape victims. When the FBI updated that, it did so in way that includes a small minority of male rape victims but excluded most male rape victims by retaining the “penetration” clause. Penetration of any orifice must occur for rape to have happened. The FBI does collect another set of statistics though, under the category of “other sexual assault” – it’s the awkwardly named “made to penetrate” category, which includes men who were coerced, tricked or bullied into penetrative sex with women they would otherwise not have had sex with. The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey similarly considers the two types of assault separately, despite the fact that occurrences are virtually identical. 1.27M women report rape (p.18) and 1.26M men report “made to penetrate” (p.19). By collecting the information under separate categories, following the legal definitions, women have the right to have their rapes called “rape”. Men do not.

https://web.archive.org/web/20141209000732/http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nisvs/

[OlderAndWiser]

The FBI definition of rape is used for the FBI's collection and publicaton of crime statistics. Each of the fifty states and DC have their own laws which define rape and what is a sexual battery in one state may not in another state. In my state - Florida - sexual battery is defined as "oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another or the anal or vaginal penetration of another by any other object; however, sexual battery does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose." So, in Florida, a woman can certainly be charged with a sexual battery of a man.

[worldscolide]

unfortunately the laws in my own state follow the FBI definitions strictly.

[Chazmatazz269]

The point is that even in your state, a woman can’t be charged with rape. I doubt sexual battery incurs the same penalty as rape in any state. OP DID say his attack qualified as sexual assault. But i think he’s shared his story before, and even though he TRIED to press charges, he was laughed out of the police station. So it simply doesn’t matter what the laws indicate if the police won’t arrest and DAs won’t prosecute. Furthermore it doesn’t matter if a DA will prosecute if no juror in the jurisdiction believes women can victimize men.

[OlderAndWiser]

@Chazmatazz269 You misunderstood my response.

1. In Florida, the charge is called sexual battery, not rape, but they are the same thing.

2. In FLorida, a woman CAN be charged with sexual battery.

[Chazmatazz269]

Okay, i concede your point. Can you cite cases proving it’s been done? If so, are the females being convicted of the same degree and sentenced the same as their male counterparts? I sure hope so. Otherwise the point is completely academic. Again, if the laws aren’t being enforced equally, then there’s literally no point in writing them to include “special” cases that they’re just going to ignore anyway.

[OlderAndWiser]

@Chazmatazz269
www.firstcoastnews.com/.../77-d52c7059-2899-4117-bd15-4cf62c441471

www.usatoday.com/.../

www.local10.com/.../

www.heraldbulletin.com/.../...b4-a703b7998a22.html

www.chronicleonline.com/.../...5-5fc012b7b0aa.html

www.jacksonville.com/.../

www.abcactionnews.com/.../pinellas-woman-arrested-and-charged-with-sexual-battery-of-14-year-old-boy

[OlderAndWiser]

@Chazmatazz269 I don't know about the sentencing in these cases, because I don't practice in the area of criminal law. However, sentencing is intended to be proportionate to the crime AND the pertrator's prior criminal history, so you can't really compare two cases and say they should have had the same punishment unless the cases are virtually identical.

[Chazmatazz269]

Maybe i miscommunicated my point. As per the original post and my point, women cannot be charged with the rape of a man. You argued that they CAN be charged with sexual battery because Florida doesn’t recognize “rape” anymore. But you only shared cases of women charged with assaulting children and other women. I thank you for your efforts but i remain unconvinced. To my knowledge, this is the only case in modern history of western civilization in which a woman was convicted of raping a man, but it was in Norway.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/apr/28/2

[OlderAndWiser]

@Chazmatazz269 The fact that such cases do not get reported in the MSM doesn't mean that they do not occur. I am not ging to spend hours poring through FBI crime statistics. I know that women are prosecuted for sexual assault (Florida does not refuse to recognize "rape," it merely calls it sexual assault.) I know that there are far fewer prosecutions of women than men and I suspect that it represents a combination of fewer women committing sexual assaults and fewer men willing to report such cases.

[Chazmatazz269]

It’s true that men are less likely to report, and that’s due in part to there being no recourse for men. When police won’t arrest, DAs won’t charge, and juries won’t convict, what’s the point? You don’t have to pore over the statistics. It’s already been done, repeatedly. You’re just in denial.

[OlderAndWiser]

@Chazmatazz269 Okay, you are absolutely right about everything you have said, and I am ansolutely wrong, because you are in a far better position to understand these things than me. Do you feel better now?

Obviously, there is no point in continuing this discussion. You're smart enough to take a hint, aren't you? Good bye!

[Fuentes]

Then the only way to enforce rape is to claim your a women & she raped you. I bet they won't fight that.

[DizzyDesii]

I dont go by what the government says. I go by what I believe in. Men can be raped and 3 of my male friends were raped by much older women who happened to be friends of their parents or their teacher or in their family. Its sickening. Men can get raped. Then again, these were boys at the time. So if we talk adult men, yes if a man is drugged like women used to drug men at this local bar that finally got shut down then yea they can absolutely get raped. Even if he's not intoxicated and the woman ties him up with bondage against his will, he can still he raped.

[worldscolide]

Oh no i dont disagree with you. Im speaking of legalities. Oh and the National Organization for Women (NOW), has pushed hard against men being included in the rape definitions.

[DizzyDesii]

I dont keep up with feminism nor the political stuff. I just know what i believe in. But yea legal wise thats jacked up.

[Agape93]

This is why the Justice system is fucking pointless.

I don't give a fuck what the law says. If you're a rapist, male or female, you deserve a slow and painful death.

If you need to talk I'm here hon

[Jouth]

you're awesome

[MCheetah]

Yes, I knew that. Rape was/is defined by "unwanted/non-consent vaginal penetration."

And I'm so sorry that happened to you, dude! I would have legit killed her, if that was me. Choked her life out. I'm amazed you managed to be so composed after something like that happened to you. I asked a question a while ago, about how many men have been f*cked over, sexually or by false allegations, by a woman, and the majority of them on the poll said yes.

Just reading your story pisses me off. It's crap like this which made me lose faith in humanity. I doubt things are ever going to get better, especially in today's political climate.

[Chazmatazz269]

That’s actually an improvement. Up until about a decade ago, men couldn’t even be raped if they were penetrated. No joke.
I sometimes wonder if they’d revisit the law if a gay man were to force a straight man to penetrate him.
Women are going to tell you to consider yourself lucky that a woman wanted you so badly, without a single thought about how they’d feel if the sexes were reversed. I however am going to tell you to be thankful she didn’t get pregnant. Every state will permit your rapist to hang you out to dry for child support too. It’s not only happening to grown men, but little boys. Women are raping little boys and the states are compelling child support FROM CHILDREN who are literally too young to work!!!
Of course, it’s never going to change. As you point out, it’s legal because nobody cares when women victimize men and boys.

[NamerOfStars]

You're just splitting hairs here- actually, you probably aren't, but that's how you've phrased the question: the FBI is a single crimefighting agency, not the be-all-end-all of American justice. Further, since it's a federal agency, its definitions would only affect the prosecutions of a handful of crimes, since sexual assault is almost always going to be a state offense, not a federal one, and even that would only matter if they were the LAW, instead of which category they're placed in. They're not.

Sexual assault laws are (typically) very complex, and a woman who rapes a guy usually faces FAR lesser penalties than she would if the genders were reversed. THAT is worth complaining about, and warrants changing. That said case would (and indeed DOES) lead to inaccurate rape statistics is troubling, and may warrant changing on THAT basis. But that the paperwork would be placed in a different filing cabinet really doesn't matter.

[worldscolide]

I don't disagree

[Paige90]

Can't a man have penetrative (Non-consent) with another male? What about a female or male forcibly putting an object up a male without his consent? Isn't that rape? What about other males in prison having sex (again non consent) with other males? What about the teachers (female) that had sex with underage boys? Isn't that rape?

[worldscolide]

Those are literally the only two ways a man can legally be raped. There is no "Made to penetrate" section.

[Paige90]

I agree

[Anonymous]

For the most part that is correct because the definition says that only the "penetrated" is the only consent that matters. Unless the rapist is gay or the woman in question used a foreign object, women will always be the primary victims of rape according to that definition.

Made to penetrate should absolutely count as rape but it doesn't to confirm the feminist bias.

[sirderpsalot123]

Yes and it doesn't get talked about enough. Sorry to learn that happened.