Is it personal responsibility or Assault Rifles that are reason for dead kids?

[OddBeMe]

Funnily enough…the maker of AR 15s wants you to think its our fault.

Uvalde parent reacting to responsibility

“This didn't happen two decades ago!” The gun dealer said. “Whats changed? Not guns.”

Actually guns have changed. The Assault Weapons Ban failed to renew in 2004. And crazy affect…more mass shootings!

Its our lack of responsibility that got those kids killed.

Its the easy access to his product: Guns

[ChrisMaster69]

Funnily enough I can by a.22 / .233 AR-15 in the UK.

https://www.dolphinguncompany.co.uk/rifle-design-builds/ar-15-10-rifles/

with the.223 being single shot,

the.22 semi auto.

https://www.guntrader.uk/dealers/callington/southpoint-firearms/guns/rifles/mk22-211009104335005

https://www.gunstar.co.uk/dpms-ar-15-a1-flat-top-rifle-straight-pull-5-56-mm-rifles/rifles/1462690

It’s the fact it is a political issue that prevents any movement on any sensible conversation on anything gun related in the US.

[Miristheiss]

It is a corrupt society, replete with broken homes, violence, crime, drugs, gangs, with no regard for life.

It is foolish to harp over and over about the tool used to kill while never once looking at the REAL problem... how much evil, f**ked up, lost, people our societies are producing in more and more and more numbers.

Guns have been around for CENTURIES... these insane shootings where people just start killing complete strangers for no reason... utter evil insanity... that's fairly new. Just the last few decades.

People just keep dwelling on these centuries old tools but seem oblivious that a good portion of the society is corrupt and broken. How can our society produce so many of these evil killers?

[wolfcat87]

Areas where guns are banned tend to have more shootings and/or stabbings. People who want to hurt people will find a way. There's a saying for that, "Where there's a will, there's a way." Guns, cars, bombs, knives, fires, etc. Like the guy who tabbed 40 people in a train station in China. Are we supposed to ban and restrict any and all objects that can hurt people? That's not dealing with the real issues. The real fix would be taking care of people before they get to that point and changing how the media handles events so as not to make shooters look cool and idolized. No one wants to have that conversation though. Funny... Until then, stop putting a bandaid on a cut artery.

[OddBeMe]

Those areas are large cities with large populations. You need to double check your math using “per 100,000”. Fail.

[bayoubob]

@OddBeMe Say it to us all. We can enjoy guns for sporting/hunting/self defense. But we can't do that either. This is what you are saying. She didn't fail. You are just fucking Libtarded to the Nth degree.

[wolfcat87]

Odd, that was already what I was saying... You need to check your own knowledge, silly. Otherwise you would know that this was already true.

[bayoubob]

What happens? Is a mammo jammo of a douche, takes his vehicle and kills and destroys life in a Christmas Day Parade? Biden does not visit these folks. He goes on Vacation. What kind of fucking President does that? It's a fine thing. Why? No one. Absolutely, no one wanted his presence when 13 service men died. Yet, he half assed it. He did not take responsibility. The people who had to welcome their dead, HAD to shake hands with a cocksucker who did not care.

[bayoubob]

@OddBeMe YOU FAIL. Because you support "Progress." You voted for something that sniff's girls hair in front of God and Everybody. His children smoke crack and do METH to a degree of being a gummie bear blow job provider. No teeth. The Hunter laptop, proven upon LEFTY NEWS as verifiable by the NY Times, plus Ashely Biden's diary. If by anything, it was not allowed. It's that despicable. It wasn't NEWS to US? It wasn't news. Period. By way of left bent media it was secluded. Polls show, if people weren't that DAMN DUMB and had full access to it, they simply wouldn't have voted out of HATRED for Orangeman Rad. That in and of itself proves shenanigans. But he is your MAN. Legitimate cocksucker of 81 quadrillion votes. Aren't you supposed to hate HATE?

[purplepoppy]

If people aren't responsible it's generally a good idea not to let them have a gun.

[OddBeMe]

Good poont.

[Anonymous]

I don't think the issue is as black and white as most politicians make it. Most of the people who go on these mass shooting sprees have a long history of violent behavior or making violent threats. They face no consequences and as soon as they're legal they can go and buy a firearm or they steal it from a friend or family member. We need to be able to put at-risk people on some kind of list that bans access for them to legally acquire firearms. We also need to make the charges more heavy for parents and others who get their firearms stolen in order to be used in these mass shootings. That should encourage more people to be careful and properly secure their firearms so others can't access them. I don't think banning at-risk people from acquiring firearms is a huge infringement of guns rights. Responsible and well-adjusted gun owners would have nothing to worry about. People always say that if you ban these guys from getting access to guns legally then they'll be able to get them illegally. Do you know how to get an illegal firearm? You need connections for something like that which I doubt most of these lone wolf killers have access to. I think these are common sense places to start.

I don't think the solution is to ban firearms. I also don't think the issue is to add more firearms into the mix.

[Stoner710]

It’s lack of responsibility that people kids are getting killed primarily the failure of government like usual. The guy who shot up the 4th of July parade was on the FBI watch list very clearly mentally ill he shot a music video with a jokers laugh which was set in a school shooting situation. But they didn’t do anything about it. Just like Uvaldi just like the white supremest that shot up Buffalo just like the parkland shooting. It is a direct failure of government. If a normal employee was as irresponsible as a government is constantly they would have been fired or arrested for criminal negligence. These shooting are a direct result of bad government as normal.

[OddBeMe]

Funny you mentioned watch list. Repubs downvoted a bill that woulda kept that guy from getting a gun.

[Stoner710]

What was the bill how much spending was there and how much pork was there? I looked into one of the more recent boats about getting veterans healthcare against nuclear radiation and there was about $4.7 billion on climate change issues that had nothing to do with veterans.

I will say when it comes to pork barrel bills both sides had a Tennessee to put something in the bill that has nothing to do with what the bill is actually about. This is why we need bills that are about single issues without anything else clouding them up.

They will have a bill that would cut taxes for and republicans would put in a ban on abortion or democratic will put in there that will require states to pay for transgender surgery. ( this isn’t an actual bill it’s never happened I’m just using an example) this is a simpsons joke but it’s pretty accurate to what they actually do in Washington https://youtu.be/9jGmtnjReiw

[OddBeMe]

Umm never got off the ground. So we can't ever pass a bill because of pork barrels?

[Stoner710]

Exactly Pork barrels aren’t good for bipartisanship legislation to pass. Both sides need to be more honest about what they want to get passed. Example I would love marijuana to be legal. Democrats are more likely to present a bill to legalize marijuana. Republicans are mostly on board with it, even Clarance Thomas the most conservatives judge on SCOTUS agree that weed should be legal. The issue is democratic would put a bunch of crap about climate change to the bill or abortion crap or trans crap rather then just saying marijuana is now legal. I’m sure if they said for people over 21 you would get most republicans on board with it. Even I’m Florida they have legal medical marijuana. If democratic kept the bill to legalize weed the bill would pass with 92% approval. But since democrats would add a bunch of crap that has nothing to do with legal weed it won’t pass.

[OddBeMe]

I agree, but unless both sides come together and pass a bill that outlaws pork barrel spending, no other bill would ever get passed. See the irony?

[bayoubob]

Son of a bitch!!! Do you know you can't fucking hunt deer with a fucking AR-15 in.223/5.56? You would need to up the anti and build an AR in a higher caliber? For one thing the letters stand for ArmaLite Rifle — and not for "assault rifle" or "automatic rifle." AK-47? SKS? What round do those fire? 7.62x39 If you want hunt deer with a AK-47 semi auto or an SKS? You need to be a damn good shot because the bullet will not exit the deer through and through. You cannot own TRUE Assault Rifles.

[bayoubob]

In your mind it's totally fantastic that we can own hunting rifles. What you are butthurt about is the 30 round mag? So California has a law, 10 rounds only? Which is complete bull shit by the way. You think that people can't take 10 round mags fill them up, and empty them, and then jam another 10 round mag up it? It's fucking mental. A standard hunting rifle is far more powerful. I personally will take deer down with 7.62x39. I would prefer at least a.270 Winchester or a.300 Caliber. You don't mention these guns? It's just the flavor that pisses you off? We need to ban something you say? Well, ban all fucking guns. This is your mentality. You don't know it. This is how mental you are on guns.

[Kiran_Yagami]

"Funnily enough…the maker of AR 15s wants you to think its our fault."

Funnily enough, it IS in fact the fault of the person pulling the trigger. There is no "our" in that statement, nor are gun manufacturers blaming you for it. The person doing the killing is responsible for the killing. Well, no duh. There is no collective blame for any single person's actions. That includes a collective blame on "assault rifles". Guns don't shoot themselves anymore than semi-trucks drive themselves over crowds of people or airplanes crash themselves into skyscrapers.

[OddBeMe]

But we regulate cars.

[Kiran_Yagami]

We only regulate cars if you get on public roads and share them with other drivers. If you never get on a public road, you don't need to register your car, insure it, or have a driver license.

[OddBeMe]

Ehh, its complex. Your car is still taxed and registered whether you drive it or not. Can we have the same with guns?

[Kiran_Yagami]

You need a BATFE background check when you buy the gun. What else do you want? Guns are more regulated than cars are. There is no background check to buy a car. If you buy a car from a 3rd party there isn't any oversight at all. A person selling their own car is not required to check ID from their buyer. They aren't required to have the other party register or tax the car either. No one complains about "assault vehicles", regardless of the vehicles make up, accessorizing, or intent. You can even buy surplus military vehicles.

[OddBeMe]

Can i go to a gun show and buy an AR 15 without that check?

[Kiran_Yagami]

Go try it and find out. Have you been to a gun show? Have you bought a gun there?

[OddBeMe]

I have. I even filmed buying a AR gun no check no license because it was a “private deal”. And it was legal in texas. Yet somehow cars have more regulations.

[Juxtapose]

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."

- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

-William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

[WowwGirl]

Why does shooting only happen in cities and suburbs? Because people who live in rural areas learned about them very young. Guns aren't taboo there or even a big deal

[OddBeMe]

Well, thats where majorty of people are. But i will agree learned gun owners are not usually the problem.

[wolfcat87]

Agreed, I grew up around guns, so did my kids, dad's generation, etc. We have never had any problem. We learned gun safety early, and we respect them. It's the people not raised with guns who think they are toys to shoot people with.

[OddBeMe]

@wolfcat87 you people should want more regs to keep guns from untrained assholes.

[bayoubob]

@OddBeMe How many fucking times do you need to tell a dog not to shit or piss in your home? You are the quintessential Libtard that is the exact same thing. How can we tell you or train you that you need to stop being Libtarded? Your poles always have your results in the opposite of what you think they should be. Get a fucking brain.

[wolfcat87]

Odd, we don't regulate people having kids that they don't educate on gun safety or kids they raise into domestic terrorists... So, why would we start regulating inanimate objects rather than actually fix real problems and the roots they stem from?

[OddBeMe]

@wolfcat87 we should regulate parenting.

[YHL6965]

Definitely personal responsibility. You could trust some persons with a thousands of weapons and they wouldn't hurt a fly while you can't trust some people with a knife (or even less). Some people will never kill someone despite having tons of guns while some people kill others without any tools.

I don't know, if I buy a gun, my first thoughts are not about killing people, mass shooting or stuff like that. The worst that comes to my mind is self defense but, even then, that would not be my primary reason to buy a gun.

Also, about the assault weapon ban, if you know about guns, you know how useless it is (see AR-15 vs Mini-14 where they essentially have the same capabilities but one is an "assault weapon", which means absolutely nothing in technical terms, and the other is not)

[Anonymous]

400 million guns in the US aren't used to shoot anyone at all, and the majority of those that are, are in self-defense. If the mere existence of those guns was the problem, don't you think the "problem" would be a hell of a lot bigger than it is right now?

The gun population has increased by tens and hundreds of millions, while shootings with AR-15's have gone up by... single digits. You could pick almost any random object and find out that more people are killed by those than AR-15s every year, but you won't.

[Anonymous]

[OddBeMe]

This

[jshm2]

To be fair, how many mass stabbings or "axings" are there compared to mass shootings?

Ok it's just muricans killing muricans and if there are two things muricans are known for it's killing and eating.

[OddBeMe]

Becuase we have all the food and guns. In Europe there are fewer guns, more stabbings. but the body count is waaaayy lower.

[darkcloud1945]

It is personal. In stead of using guns for this question use a sreak knife. A person kills 15 people with a steakknife did the person kill the 15 or the steak knife kill. In either case what causes this to happen a weapon killed them or the person or a person using the weapon. We know the weapon it self could not kill anything so the only other answer is the person

[Goforit1010]

Personal responsibility? Absolutely! Guns don't go off by themselves. SOMEONE has to (mis) use them.

My guns have yet to load themselves, or fire a single bullet without my control.

[dustybiker]

Crazy how those devils details get brushed aside.

[OddBeMe]

Brushed aside for marketing.

[dustybiker]

The bottom dollar usually wins.

[bayoubob]

Colt had a mamma jamma day in court that went in favor of Libtards. They don't market to morons. They market to people who want to shoot so much, they then take their brass in the hundreds and thousands, and millions of pounds to have a nice hey day when they take it to the scrap metal joints. Or they simply take their brass and reload so they aren't spending the extravagant amount to buy ammo at Libtarded prices. I still have all the components that I can simply enjoy 50 round 9mm at the price of less than $9 per fifty. 45 ACP less than $12 per fifty. Look up what it costs for both now a days. You are doing nothing bottom dollar wise. We still shoot. It still takes no more than 1 round to end a life?

[bayoubob]

Libtards effectively made investing in yellow brass (spent brass casings) something that is akin to doubling your money per pound since Trump took office. It's full of rubber, aluminum, and steel casings, plus full rounds. They have the conveyors and technology to sort it all and make the full rounds detonate. We do this everywhere. Thank you at @OddBeMe for taking a simple $800 investment and making it worth $1,800. And where does it get you? We do not stop. The NRA does not stop. We will never stop.

[bayoubob]

That is more than double for spent brass. More the reason to shoot. More the reason for gangbangers and thieves to steal your copper. More the reason for you to bitch. More the reason for you to want to be a Liberal. Where does it end?

[dustybiker]

@bayoubob Feel better after that verbal vomit?

[bayoubob]

Do you really believe Colt deserved idiots lambasting them? Adam Lanza in Connecticut did it. An idiot who shot up kids. Then you talk about.223/5.56 AR's as the problem. You love to tell everybody how you are for GUNS for hunting. But "they marketed those guns" in which aren't used for hunting deer, to IDIOTS. That is your stance? We can have all OUR GUNS, or WE CAN'T. Which is it?

[bayoubob]

Go to the UK, or any other 1st world country that is not the US. They love themselves Silly Nannies who "quell" all unrest via billy clubs. And yes, violent crime and rape is not quelled via this line of thinking. So, you want the limp dick approach? Just arm yourself, and always be recording. It's the difference between life in prison and being a free man. You must record. If you aren't into that? We really don't give a fuck?

[dustybiker]

@bayoubob Yeah. I didn’t read those either. Why am I having to endure this in my opinion?

[OddBeMe]

@dustybiker He has a thing for me. Chicks are collateral to him.

[OddBeMe]

@bayoubob yeah Colt has a lot to answer for.

[bayoubob]

@OddBeMe You single out Colt. Why? There's hundreds of companies that do the same. Just because Connecticut had a weirdo fuck things up. Do you realize? Rosie O'Donnel isn't fat for no other reason than spoons exist? Spoons are everywhere. Yet we are left with a show, called 600 pound life. No one wants to hear about this. No one wants to be the fat shamer. However, we must exist. Yet, Libtards are totally okay in their world. To say FAT is OKAY. You see it on Victoria Secret, you see it in Sports Illustrated. WAIT A MINUTE? We can't have that. We cannot prevent fatties from having heart attacks so early. We must SEE them as SEXY!!! This is Progress in Lefty Minds. When you get so fat, you need people to tell you, you must lose weight, you must lose it now, otherwise you will not qualify for lap band. Yes, skinny broads do this thing where they are anorexic. No one says anorexic is SEXY? It is not.

[OddBeMe]

@bayoubob just a auick web search I see all the horrible ads and legislative agenda colt and other gun groups finance. That makes them liable.

And no i could hold food companies responsible for getting us addicted to sugar. Not saying theyre alone or we dont also have responsibility. Same for guns.

[bayoubob]

@OddBeMe Bicycle. Bicycle. I want to ride my bicycle, I want to ride my bike, I want to ride it now. I want to ride it where I like. Fat bottom girls make the world go round!!!

[bayoubob]

Stop using an AID's infested individual for your purposes. I sure love my bike. I sure love to ride it where I like. I do love fat bottomed girls. They make the world go round.

[bayoubob]

I also love to shoot my guns. I like to shoot them now. The ballz abooop aka Bismillah! Blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah.

[OddBeMe]

@bayoubob I’m sure most of this is your schtick. But there is help out there. Reach out.

Don’t wait until your gun masturbations stop getting you hard and you end up eating a bullet. Seek help.

[bayoubob]

I'm gonna take a dump.

[bayoubob]

When I take a dump? I'll also empty a magazine.

[bayoubob]

Poop and empty a round of 9mm at the same time? Sounds like fun.

[bayoubob]

Get some guns, and some beer. The world would be a much better place.

[John_Doesnt]

The US has more guns than any other country and we have more gun related deaths. How hard is that to understand?

[Anonymous]

God damn you really want unarmed women to get raped and murdered.

I mean there’s lots of hills to die on, but your obsession with disarming vulnerable people so that they can be assaulted and killed really is something to behold.

[goaded]

[ArtemisSilver]

If I own a hammer it's my fault if I use it in anger, not the fact that people have a right to own hammers. Same of anything else.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

It's the government fault mostly combined with a jacked up culture that breeds violence and lunatics.

[OddBeMe]

I would say govt is at fault for ignoring poverty which causes crime.

[OddBeMe]

But we elect the poltiicans who say they’ll cut govt spending

[Sarahplus2]

If it's not assault rifles it would another type of gun.

[DarkWinterNights]

…or explosives, or vehicles, or chemical, etc. trying to limit the current tool being used is shortsighted and proves they have no concept of the root causes.

[grega239]

Its people. Guns dont go off by themselves do they