1) it pulls focus from BLM which is a real problem.
2) it started as a KKK slogan, dummies.
3) just fyi, Kanye has proved he's not a stable individual. Maybe dont look to him for political leadership.
Yes I do.
I'm impressed with Kanye. He communicates very well in interview I recently saw , handles a lot of stress, actually was able to stay married to KK that long... impressed... she'd be a handful to handle, business and wealth he's got together, manages media quite effectively. He's creative and... drum roll please... he knows how to get attention! I'm not saying he's the most stable human, but he puts his heart out there and his viewpoint which means he's not working out of fear. I think he's artistic type and they are a bit more "flamboyant" (word eludes me here..). But he kinda does it all, which is impressive to me... because it's not easy to manage.
That said, yes, he just belted a bunch of people across their heads and hearts. It's not an offensive message, it's one of unity... but it is not perceived that way... it's perceived as an insult by the BLM perspective. It totally affronts what they think and feel, it's like lying, but worse.. it's denying their problem exists. It's the wrong message, lacks compassion, and it goes to show how much of an emotional mess this is to resolve. That's the problem with clashing cultures! Given how "rappers" like and often have, gunned each other down in the streets, I hope he's got deep security detail.
What people really need to do, all of them, is sit down and read a book about how human emotion and trauma works. That's the problem... perspective! Then practice switching perspectives to see the others side in some kind of group trauma therapy, then work on solutions. Most people want others to do better, but it's a hard game when the division is so great.
This was... a seismic shift in the social mess, a dangerous one. I hate to say it, that kind of message although seems innocous, could result in a lot more innocent people being hurt or killed from the ensuing rage. that and love I think are the primary emotions we are dealing with in this case.
White lives matter wasn't a kkk thing... That started on 4chan with an operation to let the libs show how racist they are, by posting "white lives matter" all over the place and then watch them flip the fuck out and call it racist. Where did you get that info that it was a kkk thing?
I was a fan of that operation as well as the "Islam was right about women" operation. All we're doing to the fucktards is exposing their hypocrisy. Literally.
They want to claim they're not racist, but then freak the fuck out if black gets turned into white... even if black gets turned into 'all' they expose themselves. ... and by "they" I'm mostly talking about white liberal douchbags. They fall for all the stupid gags like the okay hand sign. White liberal douchbags are the same people that fall for shit like turning in papers directly from hitler and replacing the word "Jew" to "men" for the feminists and then they rant and rave about it as if it's the best thing ever while we chuckle and expose them at a later point in time.
I don't waste my time arguing about this.
I don't allow people to try to distract me from my beliefs with arguments that have nothing to do with anything.
Alm and wlm is just a way to distract people so they argue about that, instead of discussing police brutality against black people.
Stop wasting energy on winning a pointless argument and put it towards the cause.
Yes thats the reason.
I do, I really do even though I'm not from the US. Only a racist or someone who has no idea of what Black Lives Matter stands for wouldn't see why this is offensive. A serious subject is turned into a joke. It's disrespectful towards all innocent black people who were killed by the police.
Kanye West needs therapy and Candace Owens probably hates herself.
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1: We don't agree BLM is a real problem. The real problem is the collapse of the family both black and white a direct result of cultural pressures and the incentives of the dole state. A direct result is large numbers of boys poorly educated and disciplined due to being fatherless have predictably become a significant problem.
Naturally predisposing them to encounters with police, trying to protect everyone else from them.
BLM is anther typical racist-leftist organization still trying to scapegoat others for these problems they helped create in the interest of pushing their entirely different agenda.
2: I'm quite sure the idea of white lives matter started 50+ thousand years ago when the first white people were born. Although nearly everyone since then generally just thought of it as part of the idea that ALL LIVES Matter.
3: Declaring people you disagree with as unstable individual is a very old way of censoring someone. Kanye may have his problems and even ideas that are a little out there but he's right on this issue, just as he is clearly correct and very successfully in a great many other areas.
I can see why people can see such things as offensive. But that does not mean that I will allow myself to be offended by them. Because to me when you are offended and angered by something, you are giving it a measure of power over you. The same can very much be said of people as well. There are people who will bait a negative reaction out of others due to it giving them some power over others. So why give them the reaction they are trying to get?
Emotions are good. But they can be manipulated. So focusing on developing a sense of emotional control, should be a goal for everyone. That way things like that shirt or the people wearing it don't have any control over you and are unable to manipulate you. That and it's funny as hell watching someone get really angry when the only reaction out of you that they can get is a blank stare.
I think all lives do matter but attention should be directed towards those who are under discrimination from authorities. Like women in some countries who are shot for wanting to go to go to the shop on their own or the black people of America who are Targeted by police. However I’m uneducated in the sense that I don’t see what gets accomplished but screaming/writing these slogans down at the same time though I can’t think of another way to help so I can’t really judge a course of action when I’m taking none. I just try to be friendly to everybody and hope for the best tbh.
Oh yeah, I get why just saying 'white lives matters' offends your ilk when blm is fine or even a 'bare minimum for an 'anti racist'', you're racists. The funny thing is, I'd normally never wanna wear a 'black lives matters shirt', but if I'm standing next to Kanye wearing a 'white lives matter' shirt, I'll gladly wear a 'black lives matter' one. And as far as I know, wlm was a thing from 4chan where they wanted to show how stupid, hypocritical and racist the likes of you are, and the 4chan autists played you like a fiddle. I would call you an NPC, but even lines of code are less predictable than you dolts.
1. Putting black before lives matter is both racist and dehumanizing towards blacks. You're telling me that they're incapable of taking care of themselves and must be cared for by white people.
2. You really ate that one up.
3. He's a celebrity. What the fuck did you expect? A stable person? Who should I listen to Kim? Also, by the same effect of people who change genders and afterwards rename themselves. The man's legal name is Ye, do not dead name him, you don't know how offensive or degrading it is to him.
Getting offended over anything is a personal choice, people need to exercise some self control and choose to not get offended.
Offended is a choice made in advance that if something happens I'm going to respond this way.
BLM destroyed themselves when they were having all kinds of insurrections around the country in 2020 and so forth, WLM and ALM didn't take anything away from something that was self destroyed from the inside.
Most people don't care. If you look at all that's going on and has been going none of it is a major issue for most people. Politicians are avoiding the main issues such as unemployment, cost of living, inflation, house prices, energy prices etc but all we get is the BLM movement, abortion, gender pay equality, transgenders in sports etc
Police brutality is an issue not a racial issue. I don’t see anyone marching up and down the street for Duncan Lemp! Plus why not go look at the fine gentlemen who fall all the donations from BLM it’s all bullshit and just a way to divide us. All lives matter and all lives are being effected by this broken fucked up system.
I've never said any lives matter.
It is an idiotic, useless platitude.
You freaks running around over the last 4 years spouting which lives matter and running off at the mouth with their little slogans and banners and flags are just as dull as a human can get.
I couldn't give 2 sheeeets about who is offended or not offended by this idiotic crap.
How is White Lives Matter offensive but Black Lives Matter is not? If you are putting one race over the other that is racist. All Lives Matter literally says All Lives Matter. Why would that offend anyone unless they are brainwashed by watching too much TV news?
They are saying it because it is all a stupid circus every bit of it. Now if you wanna say cops unfairly target blacks of course they do but somehow this turned into a left vs right issue same as everything else and that is how the controllers of this world keep everybody fighting. I personally don't care who says what because it is just initials or words and there are way more important things in life than arguing over this.
@Still-alive well, i’m hoping the point get across.
If you think January 6th was a fucking insurrection then you might be brain dead. If someone really tried that and it wasn't staged like the fake insurrection was they would have took them out before they even got to the door instead of a cop letting everyone in. Crisis actors like Jake Angeli dressing up as a Trump supporter lol. The difference between that and BLM riots is BLM actually destroyed cities and harmed people. The fake insurrection just got a bunch of TV watching people like you guys who don't think to get infuriated.
@Still-alive You act like that is a bad thing.
nice drugs your smoking there
lol trolllll
the vast vast majority of black murders as well as interracial murders are committed by black men, so the "fear of blacks" seems completely sensible to me and "White lives matter" appears to be much more logical than black lives matter. Just using facts and data here.
ucr.fbi.gov/.../table-43
that's just simply not true. either your flat out lying or incredibly bad at math/
per the link -
Offense charged Total White Black or AA
Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter 100.0 45.8 51.2
51.2 % of murders committed by 13% of the population
Lol what kinda SJW BS is this?
A Black and Black Female where a "White Lives Matter" shirt and your offended because ypu think it pulls light away from "Black Lives Matter" & somehow two black people are now supporting the KKK because they wore a shirt that's says WLM?
Is this where we are now In society?
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
Cause bro my ppls kill more of our own then Police is killing us, illegal murder is wrong on all sides for anything but people got the right to say all lives matter cause they do. Theirs no difference we all human so of a cop does a black dude dirty and kills him illegally and unjustified you can still say all lives matter cause it's wrong. So what's the difference. Black lives should not only matter when a cop kills lol
I don't say anything I just say it don't matter all loves do matter that includes blacks what wrong is wrong. I don't think any bad shoot is good I respect good officers not bad officers. But I don't see why it matters whether we say all lives or black lives I don't see how that counters eachother at all.
I can kinda understand how White Lives Matter is. But I'll never understand how people can argue that saying "ALL LIVES MATTER" is somehow offensive.
People take that BLM is a good motto because racism towards Blacks is quite common, relative to other types of racism. Those find it offensive when the motto gets switched a little bit to White Lives Matter, or All Lives Matter, or even Green Lives Matter (for the legalisation of the Holy Herb).
the ultimate color that matters is green. Look how much $ was funded to BLM.. On the other hand Kanye West promotes a controversial WLM which in my opinion a clothing line must have given him a good payday. Bottom line is money really is the root of all evil and what people do against their overall morals and ethics to score a big pay day just saying
I'm tired.
FINALLY!!! ALL LIVES DO MATTER!!! xxoo
It really just makes fun of BLM and lets face it , BLM is kind of a joke. The people that run it stole all the money and it is just an excuse for people to go into privately owned businesses and steal whatever they want.
I think racists get it. They just don't care.
The weird thing is when pretend like they do care, Or pretend like there is some rational un-racist basis for their reasoning.
This subject / topic has been brought up like four or five times within the last two days here. WTF is going on?
This only happens when there is some bombshell story online. There have been no trends on this lately.
Do you have proof that “all lives matter” was started by the KKK? I could see them óbviously saying “white lives matter” but not “all lives matter”.
Some ''movements'' are so busy with themselves, that they waste much time to make REAL improvements in everyone's lives.
That could be something that offends me... if only I'd care :)
''Their'' problems aren't mine.
It's made by racists and low IQ people
People can diss the BLM organisation. BUt in the USA at least, the BLM slogan matters. Blacks are way more likely to get shot or killed by police. There still is a lot of racism about.
White people are not oppressed for being white on anywhere near the same level.
Some dumb rednecks made up this slogan - many of them are bonafide racists, whilst the others don't have good reasoning skills.
Yeah I get it Kayne West is a Racist now since he believes white lives matter. Congratulations for figuring out human Nature.
Like how he said Slavery is a choice which I totally agree with. If someone decides to Turn me into a slave I won’t be willing and Won’t do a damn thing they tell me.
Would depend on What work they want me to do if They want to Rape me I will Bite there dick off and Feed it to there dog. And the type of Security they have but if it’s a Impossible to escape type of thing. They will just have to abuse me because I’m not going do a damn thing they ask of me.
Sheep don’t Think they do as there told.
It’s a scientific Fact that Fear is the best way to get someone to do what you want. Slaves were Owned on Ships and A lot of them tried to jump off the ship and get away with that. I would simply Murder my way Through the ship and Take Over the ship and then I would be captain and would leave a black slave owner alive To Show me the way to being home free.
It wasn’t just white people that owned slaves there were black slave owners as well.
So depending on who the captain is Whether that’s a Black slave owner or white slave owner I would get me and the rest of the Africans Or white slaves home free
That’s why you Don’t Rise up and Fight like that. If you have too Get away and leave everyone else to die. Can’t Trust people you can just take Stockholm Syndrome for example. There’s no telling how many People on ship as slaves have Stockholm syndrome or Any slave ship or not that have Stockholm syndrome.
Yeah I guess that’s how things work if you believe I’m a teenager than Reality warps Your belief into effect.
Funny how that works isn’t it.
The other day I Believed a Building would fall down when I believed it would and guess what happened? The most interesting thing happened as soon as I believed it would fall down the building collapsed and I also believed a person would be walking and see what happened and call 911 and that’s exactly what happened. I also believed 9 people would die and 11 would Survive and guess what happened? 9 people did die and 11 survived. The other 2 people I believed were not home and guess what happened? The other 2 were not home.
It’s called Self preservation.
I would Leave them in a Building to burn if it Saved myself from being scorched in a fire.
Returned me like a Amazon package delivery 😂 I’d be long gone Before being turned into the next shipment ready and packaged for delivery 😂
It’s hard to find 1 person in a land of thousands or millions of people.
You can put up a picture of my face but that face can still be covered and I can still Dress differently. And if I’m gone and they are sure I’m long gone pretty sure I won’t be A priority there’s Plenty of slaves out there ready for Grab. And spending all that time and money looking for me would be a waste of time it could take weeks or months to find me and I’d be gone Long before any weeks or months Would come.
Your welcome 😂 glad I could be of service
Because black people love being the center of attention. Arab Christian lives don't matter. Sikh lives don't matter. Only N worder lives matter.
And you're right that BLM is a problem. Thank you for finally admitting that.
It's no more or less offensive then wearing a blm shirt.
I really do not care about stupid celebrities trying to start gossip; I do not know why. And I just do not care.
Here’s a really solid counterpoint though; wouldn’t you agree that a slogan that’s been used to fetishize the deaths of and steal from black communities isn’t a slogan worth respecting?
No. Everything can be seen as offensive, there are always reason to dislike something, no matter what you pick and choose.
LOL, why would it be offensive? Does your life not matter?
Well, if you're talking about blacks and violence, you can't possibly escape the reality that the vast majority of violence blacks suffer is from other blacks. That is not something that lecturing non-blacks will solve. And that doesn't even begin to touch on the fact that violence between races disproportionately features black assailants rather than black victims.
So it's racist and totally dishonest to pretend that violence is all white assailants and black victims. But what you're worried about is your gaslighting getting interrupted a bit for a dose of reality. Calling the propaganda around the BLM delusion a "national conversation" is beyond delusional.
And BLM the organization is a corrupt scam. Hey, Letitia James- now there is an organization you could be investigating.
I don't think I have ever encountered a more guilty white person than you, Odd. I have no idea if you have a genuine reason for feeling that way, but you embarrass yourself by promoting this scam so wholeheartedly. A lot of people are getting hosed in the US. Pretending only blacks are is completely dishonest.
I like Kanye’s music and he’s just making a stand. Candice Owens is a shill and a sellout.
I’ve seen her speak and her goal is money. She doesn’t care about struggles or anything other than her own rise to fame.
BLm’s been awfully quiet (aside from scamming money) since the election. So odd.
No, BLM is a criminal movement, so they are very offensive.
All lifes does matter really but I'm not going to wear clothes or protest for it. BLM started for a big reason get behind it. We all should want leave the world better than when we entered it.
Sure. Because BLM supporters like to hold on to a sense of being a victim. When you say “all lives matter”, that takes that false sense of victim hood away from them.
You do realise that the antithesis would be: "White lives DON'T matter." ?
or "No lives matter." ?
All lives matter!!!
God damn stop being deluded and make things op
White people are over 70 percent of the population so it’s pretty obvious that their lives “matter”
No lives matter. We're all just a bunch of useless organisms on a spinning, wet rock in outer space.
It's only racist, when the racist minorities get butt hurt.
It's just a slogan. I can think of many more important things than slogans.
The All lives matter movement is different from white lives matter movement
Because the all lives matter movement stems from the black lives matter movement, while white lives matter stems from the fact they feel as though they're rights are being taken away, uhh no they're not.
I don’t think anyone looks to a rapper for “political leadership.”
For this reason I'm a proponent of the NLM movement
Lives matter. Kill racism by not overly specifying races and so we can be good to people no matter what race
BLM "leaders" STOLE money from all the donations. That should be offensive to you
Only then can you see how divisive and dumb it is to put a race in front of lives matter
I did Nazi that coming!
@OddBeMe. "It's OK to be white".
@KrakenAttackin nah man tell the REAL truth these democrats are the ones in charge in these shit filled crime & drug infested predominately black cities and they do nothing but stand by while it gets worse and worse. They like genocide they do not care about black people they sit and collect checks, cut the balls off law enforcement, by passing laws like the "Purge" law and the No more foot chase law. Making your local LE officers quit, running your football team that generates your city tons if revenue off to another city & just completely fucking stuff up
It has nothing to do with the money sent it's whose in charge. Theirs been way to many examples with the Mafia, Cartels, Gangs and more that crime can go down and can be battled. The issue is liberals enjoy black on black genocide and the people who keep voting for them love It too & that's Chicago.
What did the Mayor and Gov do who were also Liberals in Michigan for Flint? Nothing. Shower with poop water they say hahahahaha but these crazies SJW swear their the answer.
@KrakenAttackin even Trump offered the Mayor of Chicago and life line and federal help and she said NO lol while her crime rate and murder rate are super high. These liberals just love collecting the cash.
No. What about JLL? Just Live Life!
Oh come the fuck on! 1983 called.. Lots of black and other races of cops exist!
Meh, too busy with the JLL movement!
All people who are born matter ofc
I'm not a kanye fan, even before he went "postal"
I don’t care
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