Okay here’s my thing even if the facts are wrong, there’s still a problem. Why has no other race talked about it?
@Thatasianlove16 So what you're saying then is you support "All Lives Matter", correct?
I support that all lives matter until black , Asian , Jewish, lgbt lives, white, Native American lives matter do
Because all those lives haven’t been treated as if they mattered so no I don’t support it
@Thatasianlove16 You contradict yourself.
No I didn’t because all lives matter is based off the assumption that all lives already matter. They don’t not yet
I forgot the until * that’s where the mix up is
@Thatasianlove16 But by your own admission blacks are not treated differently by police so why the distinction?
Because it’s still a terrible issue that we need to speak on why is it majority of the time it’s only blacks talking about how they are treated? Why are whites okay with the treatment especially if what you say is true? How I see it is like this two women are being abused in different homes , the woman on the left house gets the worst treatment but the woman on the right actually says something about it and actively fights for a divorce. And the woman on the right gets mad because her treatment is worse but she’s not doing anything about or seeking help. Even though the woman on left is literally screaming that she needs to leave and get out and telling her all these organizations she can go to get help. But the woman on the left is just so hell bent on thinking well everyone goes through this. No doesn’t make it okay
I’m sorry the woman on the left gets mad^ I really wish I could go back and edit comments like on face book lol
So left woman : has worse treatment , but doenst do anything about it Right woman : looks to get divorce because she done with with Left woman: gets mad at right woman for making it a big dealRight: actively tries to tell her hey what’s going on in your house is fucked upLeft : it’s not that big of a deal to make a huge hype about
@Thatasianlove16 Again, you miss the point. In your example the point should be "all women's lives matter", not "left house women's lives matter". It's just dumb.The point is that all lives matter and the only reason blacks say black lives matter is because the believe they are treated worse by police wen they are not, and the only reason blacks get upset when people say all lives matter is because it threatens your victim status.
Um I guess you missed the point. White people still have the chance to stick up for themselves and they don’t and blacks actually have a higher rate of serving time for something they actually didn’t do. You guys don’t get the police called on you constantly. I’m only twenty one and I’ve had cops roll up on me 4 times now and I have a clean record lol and just because stories have been swept under the rug doesn’t mean the treatment is any less bad. I have a 7 year old cousin that was beat by an officer. I haven’t heard many white people have that same experience but black people yes. And his story swept under the rug not able to hit your statistics.
Victims or people actually pointing out a problem while all lives matter people just sit on there buts and twiddle their thumbs while uncle joe got pummeled but cops. “ but we have it worse than black people and you don’t hear us griping”
@Thatasianlove16 No, I didn't miss your point at all. I understand what you're trying to say, it's just that you're wrong so I can't agree with you.You're correct that whites don't get the police called on them as often as blacks, but that's because blacks commit crimes at a much higher rate. That is a problem of your own making, and the fact that you won't own up to it and instead just keep playing the victim and denying your responsibility in the matter only hurts your cause.Are you familiar with the statistics in the table linked below? Take a look at the murder rate for blacks versus whites. Blacks commit significantly more murders than whites despite the fact that blacks represent only 12.2% of the US population. Why is that?Blacks commit significantly more robberies than whites, too.Blacks commit far more violent crimes per capita than anyone else.So why do blacks get the cops called on them more? It's like asking why people are more concerned about a bear walking down the street than a deer.But despite all of that, when a black man gets arrested by police he actually has a lower chance of being killed or harmed by police that a white man.And yet... you think "black lives matter" is warranted? For once... try to put yourselves in the shoes of people looking at the absurdity of that and try to understand why they feel the way they do. Try to understand why we are all fed up with the bullshit victim mindset of black Americans. When are you going to stop playing the victim and take some responsibility for yourselves?
I forgot the link... ucr.fbi.gov/.../table-21
So what you’re saying is it’s completely OK that innocent people are hacking the cops called on them. For doing absolutely nothing and then come to find things to arrest people for or even beat kids for or be pregnant women for just because the color of their skin. And you don’t understand why black people look at white people the same way? Especially all the history the school shootings, it’s totally not that were being over police in the red zones that are statistically still there and will forever be there until people actually wake up and realize that red zones are still around. In those areas are being highly policed while why people are still committing crimes but they’re getting away with it but OK.Crazy how you’re going to completely undermine how black lives matter protest people get literally shot get eyes blown out of their freaking skulls but when the Capitol building gets stormed only one person get shot well many others and Black Lives Matter protest get seriously injured or killed. In for the majority of time with those black lives matter protest it was white people during the worst of it at least in my area. White kids who thought they were doing some thing trash in black neighborhoods because I thought they were doing some thing and they were to go home and good day of work.But you keep on hiding behind your statistics while the rest of us are actually living real life experience. Keep hiding behind your numbers because I know what me and my family go through and I see how cops will talk to a white woman first that only saw a situation then actually speaking and making sure that my black cousin Who was assaulted and nearly murdered in front of my front yard. Real life experience but yeah you keep behind that statistics I think you’re wrong you think I’m wrong that’s perfectly fine
@Thatasianlove16 Blacks represent 12.2% of the population yet they commit 55% of murders. That's a FACT.The majority of the problems the black community faces are problems of their own making. Your problems are a result of your own culture, and that is something no one else can fix for you. You are your own worst enemy.Stop denying facts and start taking responsibility for yourself. Your position in society will never improve until you make it happen. Do yourself a favor and stop blaming others and take a look in the mirror.
Okay then let’s have this dialogue. What have white people done to stop police brutality? Have they made organizations, protested without black voices? Have they done anything. What is alm doing that’s helping to stop police brutality? Are you guys talking about it all or just sitting at home and just saying “I hate cops” after something terrible happens? There was one family that a saw where the girl got in her pajamas they were seen at a blm movement. Cause yes all lives should matter but blacks have been shown that theirs don’t. Especially when so many stories that we actually fight to get out there get shoveled under the rug. Not saying white people don’t go through it but white people have always had the chance to make a organization. The Asians did it now they are allies with blm with the overall cause of stopping discrimination but are able to have their own voices. If white people are so mad about blm make you’re own about discrimination and become allies too. Don’t just hop on the backs of people that are working hard and just sit there (generally speaking not actually directed towards you) and complain that you’re not included when what have you really done to stop discrimination?
The problem is that they can’t really point to much in the way of police brutality. So their claims are mostly hollow.And then there’s acting like “only Black Lives Matter” would be the issue. The real issue is that you made it about *any* race at all. That’s why they say all lives: because putting people in racial boxes and deciding they’re all the same is racist. Saying all lives matter is the less racist thing to say.
@AllThatSweetJazz I mean we can especially when no one else has been talking about it. Black people have been the only collective group that have been talking about this for generations. Yes other races have gone through it but when all they can say is “we go through it too!”Okay what are you doing about it? It wouldn’t only have to be Black Lives Matter if this wasn’t only one group of people really pushing it from day one
@Thatasianlove16 The problems BLM talk about aren't real though. So no, they're not doing anything about it. It's just collectivist nonsense. They are the people trying to create the problems in order to validate themselves."Okay what are you doing about it?"Telling them not to commit crime for starters.Telling them not to be racist -- but that's the foundation of BLM.
@AllThatSweetJazz so I’ve been very open about my own situation my 7 year old cousin was beat by an officer so it’s funny when you say it’s not real. I seven year old can commit a crime that’s so bad to get beat for and all he was doing was ding dong ditching people which we’ve all done. People put pull up their pants and have to play Simon says with a cop and get shot to hell because they moved incorrectly. So in George Floyd’s case I’ll ask have you ever experimented with drugs before?
Or even went under for a surgery and had a bad reaction
One anecdote doesn't make it a problem as BLM has defined it.That's it's own problem and making it about race is the racism."So in George Floyd’s case I’ll ask have you ever experimented with drugs before?"Why do you ask?
@AllThatSweetJazz but there’s been many kids being brutalized women on video who are pregnant being tasered on the stomach by a police officer., videos every where of a person of color standing there and cops still taking hits out of them if you can’t see first hand why that’s not okay I don't know what to tell you when I went to the protest it was a rule that blacks couldn’t be on the outside I even got yelled at by a white girl that I had to be on the inside so when the cops came around I wouldn’t get hurt cause they saw the difference of how the police acted. And these are people that actually go to a protest
I ask because regardless of his color and what he did how they handled someone on drugs was completely disgusting. Have you ever had a bad trip or got paranoid on weed? You get completely freaked out. He said he couldn’t go into a closed space. Yet they still put him into hysterics. On the other hand there was a well known criminal who was white that got to sit outside of the cop cars and even got a bottle of water as if it was a five star freaking hotel
@Thatasianlove16 It wasn't really, they offered to put the air on, open the windows, and for an officer to stay with him, all that. They asked nicely multiple times. But this is a person being placed under arrest, not booked at a hotel, people say things like "I can't breathe" or yell for help all the time, high or otherwise, to try to get out of it. All things considered, the cops acted reasonably given that Floyd had violent priors and wasn't following instructions.Floyd is not an example of some kind of endemic racism or brutality -- and certainly doesn't align with the narrative which BLM projects. I think he's a good example of what I'm talking about.
@AllThatSweetJazz of course you do but nice chat I’ll never see it from your side and you’ll obviously will never see it from my side.
Except we can verify it. So it's not just an agree to disagree scenario. People act like thousands of unarmed black people are murdered by cops every year when that's not reality. It's an ideological contrivance.
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It’s funny… But it’s still intentional torture...
All lives should matter ! But they don’t , love this comment
I think you are misunderstanding. All lives do matter, I said that at the beginning. "Black lives matter" is not a movement that insinuates that black lives matter more, but that, even though they matter the same as the rest, a part of society does not share that sentiment. Black people are discriminated, bullied and mistreated because of the color of their skin. That movement is to make that mistreatment public and find a solution.Racist people use the "all lives matter" slogan to counter that, trying to diminish the BLM movement effect and keep black people "under their feet".That is why "all lives matter" are pure and true words, not racist at all, but being used like that is what makes them feel like racist.
Maybe it is me who misunderstood and lectured you without you deserving it. Sorry of that is the case.
No it’s okay this is a rough comment section so I completely understand the mix up
That y you're anonYou know what you just said was stupid
"Disproportionate."List me the number of white people killed by cops, the number of black people killed by cops, crime rate by race, and then we'll see what's really disproportionate.
@Celtero what are white people doing about it though Asians are talking about their discrimination and allied with us what are white people doing. Even the white people that did go through police brutality joined blm so I don’t get how it’s only black people
I support BLM and I'm not black. I oppose white cops sitting on an unarmed black man for eight minutes while he says "I can't breathe" until he's dead and then the cops not getting prosecuted. I support a movement that says this is not okay.
I support a movement that protests when a cop shoots an unarmed black man in the back when he's walking away from a cop.
Okay soooooooooo what have any other races done about their issues with police? All I keep hearing is “ we go through it too” and like I said to someone else is what have you been doing for your community. Instead of of just saying all lives matter and not doing anything like protesting or talking about the issue just makes it seem like y’all (alm people) are just upset you’re not included which you had centuries to get so much time to do so but I still don’t see alm organizations working on the same thing blm is sooooooooooooo what the point
@Thatasianlove16 why does only blm get involved if it's police killings? What about all the lives killed by criminals? There's been a lot of black lives lost in my community but I don't see anyone protesting their deaths, saying their names 🤷🏼♀️ If all black lives matter, than shouldn't BLM care about ALL black killings, not just police involved ones 🤷🏼♀️
Again have you guys made anything for that? And have you been to a protest we sit down and list hundreds of names from our lives and from people we don’t even know. The beginning sit downs are for that and if you know about blacks people in your community that have died voice out their names even better give them to me I’ll make sure their names are chanted you gotta realize we are working with the whole country full of deaths but seriously give me their names
@Thatasianlove16 they didn't release the name of the young man killed close to house, but here's the storywww.cbs58.com/.../18-year-old-who-was-in-critical-condition-has-died-after-weekend-shooting-near-76th-and-bobolinkAnd this is the mother and two young daughters that got killed last Feb. that in all the protests and rioting last summer, noone chanted their names.. why not? Why not protest the loss of two children who deserved to livewww.nbcnews.com/.../ncna1138186
So they didn’t release the name, so that means you don’t even know the names. So we could’ve been chanting their names at any point but you wouldn’t even know it. You do realize that’s a huge issue that blm has been dealing with there’s so many black families where their story isn’t recognized. We also have to deal with our families deaths. That’s like asking native Americans to recite every single person that was killed in their mass genocide or holocaust victims to name every child in every camp. Are you gonna get mad at them for not being able to name everyone? And how do you know that their name hasn’t been yelled by a family member in a protest again we sit down and we listen to any names that come up and chant them. I can only speak for New York but I know there were mothers there that had us chant names that I’ve never heard before. You think all blacks people know eachother though? If you’re that bothered by it speak up about it like the rest of us, so we can bring their story to light. If you’re not , you’re just another person that just says alm and just sits on a huge problem like kids dying but likes to whine about no one talking about it. That’s like someone at a convention about breast cancer that has a unique story but doenst go up to say anything and then complains after that no one talked about their story. You didn’t say anything! And on top of it the media doesn’t care about us they only pick and choose the names they want we have no dictation on who we want to speak on because we’ve been around way longer than George Floyd but that’s when alm people wanted to tune in
@Thatasianlove16 whoa back up! I did mention that mother last year on here and obviously you didn't read the link cuz her and her daughters names were mentioned! And you're still missing the point? Why does a suspect killed by police get more media attention than two innocent little girls murdered, strangled to death and their bodies burned? That's the question you should be asking 🤷🏼♀️
Here’s my question to you can you name every white person that has been killed in mass shootings in America?
@Thatasianlove16 nice way to about the question 😄 It wasn't about naming, it's about why is there more attention paid to shootings by police than murders and shootings by criminals that happens way more. There are WAY more black deaths at the hands of CRIMINALS than by police... And THAT'S what should be addressed
Again why don’t you speak about it, I know their are criminal deaths. But you also know there’s been a lot of school shootings and white serial killers. What are you doing about it? And yes it is about names because you repeatedly brought up that we don’t talk about these names.
I didn’t avoid it I answered it.
@Thatasianlove16 YOU ASKED for the names didn't you,? I simple asked why you only change the names of suspects and not all the innocent lives left... All you can do is come back with why don't I... But I'm not the one that is only calling it the police, and not the criminals, that is BLM that does that, so that's a question for them, not me 🤷🏼♀️ And when you say people don't know what black people go through, do you think only black people go through things or face rasicm? Cuz that's a no... If there was a white lives movement that wouldn't be considered racist? Oh you can bet it would! I'm all for discussion, but it doesn't seem like you want to see any other side but your own... Nothing will ever get resolved, until it's equal, means equally listen to one another, and equally fight for the rights of all, I don't see it as the black race or white race, I see human race, and ALL humans should come together regardless of skin color and fight for rights for ALL...
One I didn’t say anything about no one doenst understand what black people go through. 2. It’s funny that you’re getting mad at me for asking what you’re doing with the information when you expect blm to know every black person that has been killed. Because I don’t know if you know but it’s draining to watch the literal murder of children and family members. And I’m talking about how you literally said the name of the man wasn’t listed which again is a huge problem we face as an organization. Because our stories are still not being told, you see what I mean. Our stories are being swept under the rug. That’s why I asked for the stories and the names. I’m not discrediting the young girls at all but you got to understand if the story isn’t being passed around so it can get to the organization how are we supposed to know when we are already chanting so many names. And again you don’t know if those girls names have been chanted by a protest because have you been to one to say them? I will knowing them now. I’ll take make sure their name are recognized where I’m located. But think about it we can’t even find out who some of ancestors are because their stories are swept under the rug that’s not just blacks but I know you can understand that right? So especially when something like the police force or even just black children lives are being swept under the rug you do see why we are so mad right? Because these aren’t the only children this happened to and we do our best to talk about children’s lives
And I agree for all but are all but whose making the most effort to make sure the all comes to play, that’s my main argument with the all lives matter. Is all lives matter actually fighting for these kids lives. It would be great to have another organization to ally with especially since the Asians started their own. This isn’t just for our safety but the next generation my young cousin got beat by a police officer and there’s no news on it but I say his name and I hope my sister won’t ever have to go through what he went through. So when I ask what are you doing cause you keep asking what my organization can do I’ll keep on asking what are you doing to make sure children are safe of all races
@Thatasianlove16 White people didn't protest all across the country over George Floyd? How many black people protested this man who was unarmed and shot and killed by police.. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver
Oh and I had an older half brother that was beaten by police with a baton. We all have stories regardless of color of skin
White people have alm people haven’t
White people that protested with us aren’t part of alm they got the vibe check now we are waiting to see what alm people have to say and actually do because it’s been all talk
You know that girl that got shot in her pajamas ya the family was at a protest and we got to say her name did the family want to be part of blm?
Did they give their story to us because we do say other races names but again if you came to a protest you would know
Wait what part do you not understand? I just want to make sure I’m reading this correctly lol
Like how riots helped in ending racism and uplifting minorities.
Okay majority of blm people don’t agree with the riots even black people got upset about it and there were blm people that put their lives at risk trying to stop rioters. But people think when we stopped segregation it was just peaceful walks. It wasn’t. But the people that actually made honest work to stop segregation came on top. I don’t agree with it and I hate that riots started but I’m gonna be honest no one was listening when it was all peaceful. Which it was all peaceful all the years before George Floyd. He was just a lot of peoples breaking point and when people saw that breaking point it lit a fire under their asses to get shit done. Not condoning it and all those people should be locked up, but you can’t not understand why they happened. In some degrees it was just anarchist and pyromaniacs that just wanted chaos. But another were people that were just angry that they could die unjustifiably or someone they loved already did and they would just be painted as a criminal no matter what.
I rarely see people (around me) like you who'd actually agree that riots went unnecessarily violent. Also, before riots there actually weren't much anti-blm people but after that results are apparent (fake supporters, clout hunters and greedy ass businessmen were an add on). Now people have started using these movements for their personal benefits (you must have heard of that recent scam). I didn't understand black history month as well. Like what even was the point of it? Correct me if i am wrong somewhere, i'll introspect.
Black history month is the time were we can actually appreciate what black people have done in every subject since we never talk about it in school like the double helix for example we know what is but teachers don’t talk about how it was a black woman in a time where she was looked on as an animal discovered it. The internet a Nigerian man and many other things we take for granted but never give the credit where it’s do. Actual genius that were better than einstein , Floyd and other scholars but were never named.But back to blm everyone is gonna have their bad apples. And again there were less people because everyone wasn’t at their breaking point yet. And of course theirs gonna be people trying to profit off of it and scam people you do know the day and age we are in right? What’s one organization that has come out of anything unscathed. Nelson Mandela, Gandhi, Martin Luther, Alexander Hamilton, Lincoln etc. have all gone through some sort of backlash, some sort of violence in the pursuit of changing things. But they were good causes. Have you actually been to a protest? Because most people that have opposing views have never been to one first hand
Yeah i have been to protests before like twice, one of them was actually peaceful and the other one was straight up wild
by the way I’m not trying to sound condescending I know it’s hard to talk about these things especially on hear so I want to make sure you know I’m not coming after you
Yeah i understand, i am just trynna have an intellectual conversation with someone having different opinions on a topic to understand your point, cuz addressing such points are always helpful for future references.
Right I just want to make sure cause I’ve came from other comments and it wasn’t pretty so I always try to start fresh with my tone in my writing but sometimes things that are more aggressive still come out which is not what I want. But I agree that I don’t believe they were necessary , but do I understand that they were bound to happen. Yes, but I separated the people that are actually hurt and angry to the people that just want to cause problems. Like there was a video of this kid on the news talking about his pain. Yes there was a building on fire which was horrifying and everyone was acting crazy but if you listen to the kid his voice is cracking, on the verge of tears saying he’s seen so many people die and no one is doing anything. The world did this because they aren’t stopping it. There’s no change, I get that anger I see the chaos and saw holy fuck what would’ve happened if we didn’t say something soon and more people got to that height of complete anger. We could’ve had a whole race of people ready to make everything burn and even more civilians and who are just walking being shot by rubber bullets because the cops no longer know who to trust. What happened was only just a small snippet of or world could be if we don’t make a change
Well i think i can agree to most of that, tbh i kinna supported all this before, but then i stopped supporting any of these movements and agendas (mainly beacause of social media, sjws and all that) and started to focus on myself more cuz it seemed pointless and dumb and i felt like there are much bigger things i could focus on and stay sane.
No I completely agree with that I called it a burn out because I could no longer keep up because it seemed like nothing was happening and no matter how much and others kept pushing the narrative the people around me treated it like a trend. So When I looked at my actual life everything else was a mess but this topic is still very important just a lot of us went in heads first and didn’t know how distribute our energy in a healthy way anymore
Ya it’s like it’s one thing to say ya all lives should matter and still be for the cause and actually put out the problems about what’s going on. But it’s another just to say alm to someone whose pushing the cause but still not doing anything. That’s somehow so hard for people to grasp
Yes it’s not saying anything bad but what are the people doing who actually say it? Nothing. And they are usually people that are opposed to blm who say it
i am glad those of us with a brain voted the same as me.. And to the little bitch that commented but i removed her comment. Who says im white? did you just assume my race? are you really that stupid? Now STFU little child.
Sooooo what are other races doing about the problem if anything other races that agree ended up just joking blm which is just blm too or overall hey we are being killed like animals we are actually people.
Its not only black people that face shit id what im saying, and plus they’re blowing it out of proportion when its largely a class issue
Okay but again what are other races doing to stop the issue? Asians would join and then they made their own organization because they get the overall problem they don’t feel discrimination of blm they ended making their own and allying themselves. Cough cough take notes
doesn't change my opinion
Okay well stay in the dark while more and more sides actually make a voice for themselves and band together. Stay on the sidelines with other people don’t help while the rest make history🤷🏽♀️
R u dense? I just said i dont agree with u. Stop making stupid assumptions and just accept it n move on
All I did was respond to your last statement lmao calm down skibby lol
No u were clearly being passive aggressive about me not agreeing with you and playing some sort of hero? As if ur changing the world? Lmfao laughable
I mean my sisters have less chances of being beat like my 7 year old cousin so ya I think I’m doing something good
Dont care, that wasn't what i was talkn about. U truly r dense
Of course you don’t you’re an all lives matter person lol
Where did i say that? Where did i say i support all lives matter?
I mean you don’t care about a seven year old black kid getting beat by the police so either your all lives matter or just a piece of shit completely at least some people on here actually care about kids
And you can’t say anything cause you literally said “I don’t care”So go fuck yourself
Like I debunked what you’re claiming by giving protect Asians lives for an example then you say you don’t care if a seven year old gets beat by a police officer which is what the organization is about. And then say it’s not what we are talking about? How does your brain work and I brought him up because you brought my hero mentality stop saying shit if you can’t back it up
Saying all lives should matter is different from saying all lives matter and not doing anything with it which is the problem with most alm people. Everyone knows all lives should matter but they don’t each group has their own problems so if I hear people say alm I’m gonna say ya the do what do you want to change so all lives can matter? 99% of the time they can’t answer that or even what are you gonna do so all lives can matter? That stumps them every time because all they can go to is what blm is lacking... okay so what are the names of these people that have been killed so we can say their names? No answer.
And no one ever said that. If someone says black lives matter, it means black lives should matter TOO. Not ONLY black lives matter. But many dont get that
@DizzyDesii and most won’t see it that way no matter how much the people as a whole say it
Have you heard of the house on fire analogy?
@Thatasianlove16 what do you mean
So if someone calls the fire department to put out a fire and the other neighbors say “hey our houses matter too” and their houses aren’t on fire and they still call the fire department do you see how harmful it is for the persons home that’s actually on fire?
Or even better the neighbors let all their previous houses burn down ( basically they have experience of their house burning down as well) and never call the fire department but once they see someone else’s house on fire and their house is fine they then chose to call the fire department. You see how that’s silly