A fun exercise to keep our minds open.
I was wrong about Biden’s stance on the the vaccine. He seemed like he was gonna discourage people from Getting it because trump developed it, but obviously that ended up being wrong
A fun exercise to keep our minds open.
I was wrong about Biden’s stance on the the vaccine. He seemed like he was gonna discourage people from Getting it because trump developed it, but obviously that ended up being wrong
No sure if this counts but two, one very recent. The other longer term, though I have since corrected it with equally long term effects.
On the first, I did not support President Biden and did not vote for him, so my error did not go that far. However, although a Republican, I was and am no fan of Mr. Trump and was not sorry to see him go,
That said, as I say, having worked on Capitol Hill since the late 1980s, although I was no fan of Mr. Biden who had - before becoming what I call President Obama's "affirmative action VP" - served in the Senate from Delaware, I did not think he would be particularly significant one way or the other.
To be sure, in the Senate, Mr. Biden had not been a star. Being most famous for having plagiarized the life story of the three time defeated leader of the United Kingdom's Labour Party, Neil Kinnock, as his own. Mr. Biden was, by no means, the worst the Senate had to offer.
There is a line that describes Mr. Biden perfectly. "I'm a man of no convictions - at least I think I am." Mr. Biden does not believe anything in particular, uses words as so much verbal froth, and has no particular competency. Not impressive, but his election - though again I did not vote for him - did not seem to pose much of a risk.
Yet, in my lifetime, till now, Mr. Carter was the worst President. Now Mr. Biden has taken that position. A man of no particular skills or abilities, verbally challenged, to that he has married a lack of defined principle to an utter indifference to policy outcomes. So long as he can argue that those policy outcomes make him look good - or at least that he argued for them all along.
See also the most pro-union President, in his own words, undermining the right to strike of the railway workers. The irony there for me being that, at least in that one narrow instance, Mr. Biden's lack of principles - their long term consequences for the alliance between organized labor and the Democratic party notwithstanding - has conduced to a better outcome for the country.
As far as long term, I had grown up with a fairly conventional view of what defined American conservatism and American liberalism. This leading, in my own thinking, some erroneous conclusions and policy perferences.
Then, at the age of 17, I read, George F. Will's superb book "Statecraft as Soulcraft." Mr. Will is a Ph. D. in political philosophy who is a twice weekly columnist for The Washington Post. The book described classical conservatism, tracing its' intellectual pedigree back to the statesman and political philosopher who is generally regarded as the father of such conservatism - Edmund Burke.
The book made a huge impact on me and still does to this day. It helped me to better understand conservatism and politics in general and has made me a far clearer and articulate thinker of Western political thought and American politics.
By no means perfect - see also my complacent error above. Yet it gave me a far deeper insight into politics than you tend to see even among media commentators. I highly recommend the book even to American liberals. It is well worth your time.
I once mistook a quote from Will Ferrell on Saturday Night Live portraying George W. Bush as something Bush actually said. Ha! I went on a long rant on FB about it. When someone posted the SNL skit i had to admit i was being a moron. That was a dark day indeed. Ell oh ell!
That is freaking hilarious. Great life lesson
I was sure the democrats would conquer the republicans in the senate race but it seems they both failed to get a majority there and I thought Donald Trump would avoid running for president again due to his age.
He will always be younger than Biden.
That its obvious who is the bad guys. Turns out everyone is a mix of both.
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Trump didn't develop the COVID "vaccine". They were developed and distributed by pharma companies. Everything was sorted out before the deep state released the virus to begin with. For example testing equipment for COVID-19 was purchased by all the major nations before the first case of COVID-19 was even reported by over a year. Follow the money and you'll figure that out. They pretended that they were developing test kits and "vaccines" that already existed and were warehoused prior to release. What Trump did is force the release of the "vaccine" for emergency use early, so that you weren't in lock down for 3-5 years while they pretended they were working on a vaccine. You would have still got the same bad gene therapy, but the world economy would have been decimated. Aside from that it was up to you if you wanted to take it. It wasn't even released until he was out of office. Trump had nothing to do with the vaccine. He never mandated that you take it. From the side lines he acted like you should take it, because he knew it was dangerous and people like you hated him. Thus if you hated him enough you would do the opposite of what he asked you to do, saving you from the health consequences. Reverse psychology... People that supported Trump had done their research independently and strongly opposed the experimental vaccine, so he didn't have to worry about that group. They could take care of themselves, because they were already trained and prepared ahead of time. Biden in contrast tried to be a dictator in violation of your constitutional rights and force people to take a dangerous, untested experimental gene therapy that will have long term consequences for human health. That was the entire point. Trump wanted you to see what they were trying to do to you, so that you would learn and wake the fuck up.
The fact is as soon as the "pandemic" began, it was already known that Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin were effective against COVID-19, but the CDC and media hid that from you. Trump took it when he had COVID-19 to show you the way and even as an old guy he got better almost immediately. Yet even though that was known, the deep state tried to bury it and discredit it because they knew if an effective drug was already on the market, they couldn't release an experimental gene therapy "vaccine" for emergency use. As a result they called it horse paste and hit you with tons of propaganda, and then they released a dangerous experimental gene therapy on you anyway, breaking the law in the process...
I've been wrong about many things in politics.
Perhaps the most important of them is when I was a kid i actually believed as I was taught in school that Abraham Lincoln was right.
It was years before I had read the original law myself and what happen in the American revolution and begin to question that assumption.
Thou I am still quite convinced slavery was evil and there were many thing I would condemn about the confederacy. There desire for independence regardless of the reason why was their inalienable right in 1860 just as it was in 1776.
Indeed many of the things Lincoln did were on face value the act of a tyrant such as the arrest of judges who's judgement he disagreed with. He justified theses acts like he justified the war itself like a criminal with an ends justify the means argument that he could not get away with it if it were unlawful.
The fact that Abraham Lincoln was in fact a lawless tyrant was there in front of me demonstrated in his actions yet at 16 i could not see this.
LOL My views on issues have changed a lot over the years. Reading a lot continually broadens my perspectives. So, when I look back, I've been wrong about a lot of things. LOL
There is one thing that I really got wrong. I was enthusiastic about Mr. "Hope and Change" Obama when he first ran in 2008. I thought he was going to do what he promised. But he was just a smooth, classy Dubya II.
It confirmed what I had been learning about our political system. At this point, both parties are servants to the globalist elites.
when I was around six years old... I used to believe that politicians and governments were good and kind people that were there, for the people
before I turned 7 years old, I had realized that I was wrong, and that, that... was not true at all, not even close, lol... never too late nor early to learn
I was very wrong about 2008 Obama. He was a smooth talker and I drank the kool-aide. He really is an epic snake oil salesman who was a Trojan horse for leftist radicalism.
I figured he would at least be a huge step in healing race relations. Instead he made everything much worse.
Recently? I can't think of much as it's hard to be wrong when almost all of my time is spent playing defense to a bunch of calls for more political violence. Unless I'm wrong about that and there should be political violence?
But if we're not talking about recent, I used to think Hillary and Donald were basically the same. I was gravely mistaken.
That's actually a tough one. I think the closest thing would be when I found out Joe Biden signed more licenses to drill for oil than any other president ever when I thought he was going to take more of it away. He also sort of helped the oil companies in this country strengthen their control over the gas price here.
Trump didn't develop it nor would a president be able to discourage it as actively the government it's self would push them to have to endorse it as part of national safety.
Anyway not really. I have a confidence within my resolve not to devote myself to any politician including not voting. Just watched south park while growing up saw Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwhich said yup and that was it really.
When I was young, I used to think that politicians were good people, wanting to help the people that voted them into office. Then, I learned that all they want is to get into, and stay in, power, and that they'll do anything to do that.
My father used to say that politicians are crooks. I didn't believe him... I do now.
That democrats are even more stupid than I thought voting for Democrats with this collapsing economy they caused by foolish spending and them not allowing free speech and using FBI to cover up evidence of crimes by the Biden clan. They deserve to lose their homes, cars, and starve.
That being a democrat was the better way to go! But, at least I don't let that sway my election choices. I vote according to who I think would be best for the job, not by party. That IS what you're SUPPOSED to do!!
Love this!
Thank you!
believing in left-wing propaganda as a kid e. g. the world is about to end due to climate change, systematic racism and the patriarchy are responsible for all the big problems in society etc.
I honestly thought that the Republicans were going to take more than they did this midterm with how mediocre Democrats have been, but it was less of a Red Wave and more like a Red Water Flicking
Pretty common. A lot of people were surprised by that
Have you considered that the “Red Wave” was just an engineered trope to:
1. Create Democrat enthusiasm to vote against Republicans.
2. Prepare the ground for an immediate media narrative that since there was not, in fact, a gigantic “Red Wave” that the “voters repudiated the Republican position and soundly rejected it.”
In other words, the media creates an issue to create enthusiasm...
... then says that that thing they told you to be afraid of really wasn’t that big of a deal anyways..:
... because the other guys are the “baddies.”
🙄
@Agagagagaga from what I was seeing, both “sides” were hyping up a red wave, I’m sure it was played up by the media because they play everything up
If you just look at the numbers Republicans did quite well, but the media would have you believe that they got their ass handed to them because they intentionally overhyped it.
@Agagagagaga I don’t really care about what the media says anymore
I used to think that political factions mattered, but I've realized since that it's mostly about creating an illusion of mass consent and beyond that it's really just the rich vs the poor like it's always been.
trump didn't develop it, he just put a lot of emphasis behind it. the left trash talked the vaccine until biden was in office. then they became the champions of it.
That’s not answering my question tho
That’s a great answer!
Thinking the political right were anymore rational or reasonable than the political left. Conservatives just hide their insanity better than batshit insane progressives. But as soon as you bring up abortion, it all comes jizzing out.
Downside of being a president. You get in and realize it’s not about you, you have to answer to the people.
I joined the military believing our country stood for common sense values and prevented radical ideas from taking root. However, liberals have proven our biggest danger is within, not outside of, our nation.
That Democrats cared about the Black population and would do something to curb, Black on Black genocide.
I was a liberal growing up and especially at university. I have since realized what a grave mistake that was.
I used to think that all republicans were arrogant, ignorant, bigoted, self centred, uneducated, vulnerable people exploited by popularist strategy politicians... I still think this.
So you believe you weren’t mistaken?
So you’re not answering the question, you’re just using this as a chance to hate on people
I'm not hating on anyone 😊😘
Well you just openly said that you still think Republicans are “ arrogant, ignorant, bigoted, self centred, uneducated, vulnerable people exploited by popularist strategy politicians”
If you want to state your opinion like an adult you need to own up to your opinion like an adult.
Republicans would take all those as compliments 😂
I hope you get to know some and you can see that they’re normal people pretty often. Labeling terrible things to a specific group of people is the description of prejudice
Exactly. QA you are likely getting a very warped view on how most conservatives are. You are likely getting a very leftist education, follow an enclave of leftist social media influencers, follow leftist media outlets, etc. The left does target children and they used emotionally based arguments to influence them. They know they are more impressionable.
Have you not heard of the alt-right pipeline? Conservatives on tiktok, YouTube, Instagram are grooming kids aswell
TikTok is owned by the communist party of China. The app can spy on other applications and data on your phone. They also intentionally show different content to USA users vs. what they show the Chinese kids. They intentionally try to corrupt younger people in the United States.
YouTube is owned by Google. Google has very liberal but they try to hide it. They have demonetized conservative influencers like Steven Crowder. Instagram is owned by Meta which is Facebook. Facebook is laissez faire but that didn’t stop them from censoring a TRUE Hunter Biden story to help Joe Biden secure a 2020 election.
Twitter was bought by Elon Musk since they were the worst of the worst when it came liberal censorship. Musk was a fan of the Babylon Bee which was a conservative SATIRE outlet. It is supposed to be parody and f*cking old Twitter shut it down. That was the straw the broke the camel’s back for Elon.
The alt right does exist but they are minuscule in power and outreach. Musk doesn’t want to enable far right commentary. He just wants things to be like before the left took full authoritarian control of social media.
Elon musk just suspended Kanye West. So much for freedom of speech. You're just an idiot lmao
Elon musk suspended Kanye West because that psycho put up a tweet with a swastika. West also went also went completely insane with an interview with Alex Jones saying “Hitler wasn’t a bad person”. Alex Jones (who I don’t like) had to walk him back and be a moderate which shows you how nut case crazy Kanye is.
But you probably think all conservatives agree with Kanye. Newsflash: The vast majority of conservatives are NOT okay with Kanye West’s insane anti-semiticism. Not even far right Alex Jones agrees with him.
But simple minded leftists think like this:
Nazis = Q-Anón = Republican influencers = Donald Trump = Anybody who voted for Trump = Anybody who did not vote Democrat = anybody who doesn’t go along with the woke agenda.
So call me an idiot all you want. But you are stereotypically unable to take in facts and take disagreement as “hatred”. What I am saying hurts your feelings because you are afraid of potentially being proved wrong.
But you know what don’t waste your time here. Don’t open your mind up to dissenting opinions. Just go back to getting all your political education from people like AOC and your TikTok bubble.
Freedom of speech tho? Kanye got suspended by twitter because he actually posted an unflattering picture of eLon musk which he got offended by (like a snowflake) and got removed and banned
He posted a SWASTIKA. That’s pushing it.
But Jordan Peterson got suspended by old Twitter (and later reinstated) for saying men are men and women are women. But for the radical left just saying that is the equivalent to saying you support the Holocaust.
He wasn't banned for the swastika. Look at the order of events. 1. Swastika posted, 2. Elon warned Ye, 3. Ye insulted Elon and posted topless picture of eLon, 4. Ye suspended
The Swastika was the trigger. He was rightfully flagged for it.
Do you think he should of been left on?
He was being left on, he only got banned because Elon musk is self conscious 😂😂
Believing there was a limit to Trudeau’s stupidity and delusion
Seems like you’re secretly saying “I was even more right than I thought I was” lol.
Something like that
Well that’s really not answering the question and it’s demonstrative of an attitude that hurts general discourse
Ok, I was wrong in believing Canadians weren’t so stupid as to allow this idiot to be elected not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES
What’s to discuss? The guy is restarted and we’ll NEVER recover from the damage he’s done
That’s still a “I was right and they were wrong statement”. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like him either and I’ve seen the damage. But it’s not the purpose of the post
I used to like the concept of minimum wage until I looked into its actual effects.
lol, he was against people getting the vaccine up until his pockets started getting kickbacks from big pharma. Not a radical change of direction.
Again, not answering the actual question
Right but you're wrong about being wrong. Just pointing that out. I underestimated how evil our politicians actually were. I truly believe they're mostly satanic pedophiles.
This isn’t a “let’s point out how other people are wrong” question though. Be brave
I thought Trump would fade away after his loss and the Republican party will again become the party it was after getting out of his grip. I was wrong. Seems like he has even a tighter grip on it.
For a good while I confused Republicans, conservatives and teabaggers as separate parties
That the American people would wake up and cast off the chains of their quasi-totalitarian elected officials.
That America had the Best Democracy and Freedom in the World. Sadly, that's been COMPLETELY SHATTERED by pols, like Dump and the Republitards.
Pretty common. Lots of people were surprised
Ya, sad, isn't it?
This response was on the wrong comment haha oops
Still fits! LOL!
What are democracies you like more than America?
Not how I feel though. I’ve lived in India and South America and my ancestor worked hard to move here from Mexico. Boy are we lucky to live where we live
These days there are better places in my humble opinion, but I don't want to start a war. Suffice to say there has been a decline in the American Empire that needs to be reversed by better governance. People have forgotten the poem on the Statue of Liberty!
Well hopefully you find a good place to live that you’re happy with☺️
Thank you and you too!
Love where I am, thanks! God bless the USA
That's only what the media and dems want stupid people to believe because they can't possibly take the blame for any of their own absurd bullshit..
I thought the USA wouldn't be stupid enough to elect Trump.
That I hope Joe Biden would have been a better president. But he turned out just as I thought he would.
Supporting the Dem party. Turns out Dem party is just as corrupt as the Republican party. Now I'm an independent Progressive.
I've often told people we are a democracy and we are to some extent. We practice socialism every day. Yet I am wrong in calling it those things.
That it matters, it doesn't in this country. The electoral college has final say of who is elected.
Trump. Thought he was an easy opponent for Hillary right up til Election Day. Go on right wingers, you deserve to gloat.
For starters, Trump didn't develop it. He's not a scientist. it was developed by scientists while he was president.
*using funding and resources he was belittled for and fought tooth and nail to obtain.
@Telekinetic-Potato I know of no one who thought COVID-19 presented a real and present danger who didn't want a vaccine.
They were on the TV every day crying that he was rushing for jumping to human testing too early and cutting too much red tape. They were questioning the safety of the vaccine every day until Biden took office and then all of a sudden anyone who had a problem with the vaccine was a Trump supporting bigot.
Like you're trolling right?
@Telekinetic-Potato being worried about the speed of giving it to people is vastly different than not wanting a vaccine. Also, the reason why people are having issues after getting the vaccine is due to the rush. It's better than dying, but most vaccines are not rushed to the degree this one was, mainly because what they treat are generally not killing thousands a day and infecting more.
I am in support of vaccination of everyone because I actually know how the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines work as well as the subdermal cocktail (which is why experimental), because their research is available online. Most people don't understand it though. Also I got on a medical site, that is locked behind a password, so I don't know if the general population would have access to it. The benefits of living with a medical professional, and having a pulmonologist in the family. Honestly, she is the reason why I know about new experimental treatments before my doctor does.
Then wouldn't you know that the only part that was really skipped was the animal testing? They already had a vaccine they felt was ready for testing by the time he took this initiative so all that was really left to do so far as I understand was make sure it was relatively safe. Which is a whole other discussion I'm sure we could get into some other time.
I'm just saying that it kinda is dumb and takes away your credibility to take a figure of speech as an opportunity to discredit the man who absolutely was the reason the vaccine made it to people in time for us to even have a discussion about how helpful it was.
It was a decision made totally for the people where he took his personal feelings to the side and showed a real sense of duty.
@Telekinetic-Potato Yes, and as far as I can see that's the only time where he didn't act in self-interest. As for the plan to roll it out and distribute it in 2021, that was Biden. Trump had gotten the orders out for the vaccine but had not yet worked out a plan for distribution. The Biden team thought the White House was holding out on them and not giving them their plan for vaccine distribution. They weren't, there wasn't one. Biden's team had a tentative one, put in place in case he won, but they expected to use the framework of the existing plan, instead they had to make a framework within their plan because that's the only plan there was.
Distribution? How would you even have a plan for that until the last second? Plus that's the easiest part to figure out.
Well, before I get too ahead of myself, credit where credit is due regardless. But I still don't see it as this big problem that he handled better than if anyone else were in his position
@Telekinetic-Potato I wouldn't say he did it better than anyone else would have, the best that can be said is that he didn't do it worse than anyone else were they in his position. It can be argued that he is the reason we were in this position because we had a pandemic response team created under Geroge W. Bush and expanded under Obama, which Trump disbanded. Ebola was less of a threat because of said team. I am not saying that Trump should have kept the team when he disbanded it, because nobody knew COVID-19 would come. Yet, if we had that team we may not have had the issues we have. Plus, his initial response to it was lackluster, so other presidents may not have even been in such a position in the first place.
Lackluster? That was another thing the media was going crazy about he was literally the first person to act. He shut down the boarders and had suggestions from the cdc sent out to all the states on what they should do and allowed the states to individually decide how to act.
@Telekinetic-Potato once it hit, not before it did.
They were maiming the guy for doing it as early as he did. Lol I mean c'mon man
And my memory is a little foggy but wasn't it pretty unclear how bad this was going to be back then. I vaguely remember a general feeling of uncertainty about how serious this was going to be.
I remember very clearly though getting into an Uber and the guy had CNN playing on a tablet and he was tearing into Trump for shutting down the boarders this and all the businesses are closed that and he better get the people outside of the country back home that.
I use to thnk that politicians didn't like wars - until I realized that is part of how they get rich.
I used to think Elizabeth Warren was a good person.
I was wrong about Tories in Great Britain being right-wing. They are centrist actually.
I thought politicians really had our best interest at heart
I once believed that not all liberals were insane... I was wrong.
I once thought government healthcare shouldn't be a right. I was wrong.
Trump being elected. I never thought he'd get enough support to be elected.
I thought Trump was the Second coming of Jesus.
That two parties work.
I thought voting party was a good idea.
That Mitt Romney was a true conservative.
I hate it.
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