Since the West has become a chaos these days, why should we impose Western values on other peoples?

[Anonymous]

Both liberals and conservatives have this mindset that we should impose our values on everyone else.

But look at the society we have.

Have our "values" fixed any social issue? Or at least without creating new issues?

Why the f* should we want other peoples to be decadent like us?

[NamerOfStars]

Abolition of slavery, secular governments, regulated free markets, free expression, meritocracy, and due process.

Dude, look at the societies the REST OF THE WORLD has. Do you really think a thing has no value just because it's not perfect? Should we not push some degree of environmentalism on China, which has polluted Beijing so bad it can literally be seen from space? How about human rights in Iran, so being born homosexual doesn't carry a mandatory death sentence? Maybe citizen-civic responsibility in Eurasia, so the government can't force its people in battle thralldom?

Our failure to fully live up to our ideas doesn't make them bad ideas.

[Asker]

"Abolition of slavery"

Only because exploring an underpaid workforce would create a new market. By the way, do you think a person can live decently with the wage of a dead-end job these days?

"secular governments"

Asian nations had secular governments a lot earlier than the West.

"regulated free markets"

Which allows rich countries to close their economies with protectionist measures and unfair commercial practices while getting the best deals.

"free expression"

Try saying something non-politically correct here in the country of "free expression" and do it in China. You'll see which one is freer.

"Dude, look at the societies the REST OF THE WORLD"

Your stupid statement reeks of ETHNIC SUPREMACISM.

The White man's burden, huh?

Does any country in "the rest of the world" have 110k deaths due to drug overdose each year too?

"Do you really think a thing has no value just because it's not perfect?

It's not perfect indeed. It's as flawed as every other regime already created.

"Should we not push some degree of environmentalism on China"

Have you ever heard of the Great Green Wall, racist? China has been doing the great reforestation efforts, responding alone for a quarter of all reforestation in the world.

Meanwhile, how is the oil shale exploration going here in the USA?

" about human rights in Iran,"

Being Palestinian in Israel is incomparably worse than being a woman in Iran. Why you keep quiet about the former?

[NamerOfStars]

Oh, my mistake- you're just trolling. I thought you were being sincere.

[Asker]

If you can't rebut my arguments just shut the f* up and f* off, dumb neocon.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely not. And we shouldn't send a dime of money to other countries.

[joeldalton]

The society we have today isn’t Western values.

[Asker]

In any case, Western culture wasn't strong enough to prevent such outcome. Why trying a failed recipe again?

You know, there's a reason why there weren't too many individualistic societies (which is the case of the West) and matriarchal ones in history. They always spiral into chaos and destroy themselves.