Is it wrong to hate your own country?

[Puppystarfish23]

I live in the UK and I tell you if you're not some middle class person who has the privilege to live life with rose tinted glasses and lives in the country, life is fucking miserable.

I know this might sound racist but I feel like mass immigration is the reason the UK is so shit. They've lowered working standards for everyone because if us English people kick up a fuss about how much we are being paid or treated the big bosses are like well if you don't like it we can just replace you with a immigrants who will send all there money back home to improve there country not yours.

And they aren't hard workers like they like to make out either. They lowered the standards for everything. They don't bother to learn the language and can't do the job right and don't care either they just care about the money but they are told they are amazing because they are doing it fast, yes they are doing the job fast because they aren't doing it right which will eventually hold everyone else back and get them in trouble instead because we have to fix there mistakes and when we complain we are ignored.

a lot of them have no manners or respect and litter and they having children in the UK and raising them the same way.

Polish and some Asian people are the only ones I will say are actually decent people who actually want to do right by this country. But Romains for example are ruining this country as well as other immigrants who I will not talk about as it's to much of a touchy subject.

If you speak up you are considered a bad person for it and punished.

There's too much drugs in this country to and bad education and the government don't care it's all money, money greed to them they don't care about people they just care about getting rich.

The media lies too constantly and are to worried about being woke. I just want to pack my bags and fuck off else were lol as hypocritical as that may sound after my rant about immigration

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Im not putting the full blame on immigrants but what I'm trying to say is the government and big business like to encourage immigration because it makes them more money because they can get away with lowering the standards in work place more and makes everything like house prices more expensive

[Soteris]

There is nothing wrong with hating your country in and of itself, for example, it would be strange if you lived in Nazi Germany and loved your country while you were aware of how they tortured and genocide people on an industrial scale.

The problem is not hating the country or not, but the reasoning behind it. In which case I very much disagree with you. It is not immigration that is the problem for the UK, if anything you receive too few to actually maintain your current economy ever since Brexit which as resulted in several industries keeling over and essentially dying such as the trucking industry and farming.

The immigrants are not taking your jobs. Its actually quite funny to read about farmers trying to give more and more pay for literally anyone to come out of the city and help them pick crops before they rot. The problem is that people generally dont live where workers are needed such as in the country side or they do not want to do certain jobs such as sewer workers and cleaners. A lot of jobs fall beneath the standards that British people set for themselves that immigrants used to fill.

But yeah, this topic is not really worth discussing since it has nothing to do with the actual problems. The true issue the UK has is that you have voted in a Tory government for.. how many years now? And they have ran the country into the ground, sometimes deliberately like with the NHS which they want to replace with a private "NHS" like in USA.

My suggestion is that rather than looking down for the source of your problems you should be kicking upwards because they are the ones who actually have the power to create this mess in the first place and also the power to resolve it. I would not hold my breath though, Brexit majorly fucked up the UK to the point where you dont even have a border control anymore. Anyone can literally just walk in with whatever guns, drugs or illegal contraband they want without any care in the world. I particularly liked the article of the rotten food dumped into the UK market from the EU because they could no longer sell it there after it went bad.

[Puppystarfish23]

These people I'm taking about are not working on farms they are working usually as angentacy workers for shops,. Warehouses and factories. Business prefer them because they don't have to pay for there sick leave, pension or maternity and can fire and hire them as they please.

These people are usually working for angentacy because they actually can't get a job off there own back and wouldn't even be able to make it through the interview process.

The government is terrible in this country I agree and all they care about is making the rich , richer as to why they are allowing more low skilled , low paid immigrants to come into counties so these people can get rich off them. They can treat them like shit because the working conditions in there own countries are even worse so they know no difference and they don't care as long as they get paid. Also they all rent and who do think owns the houses they rent and usually these houses are not suitable for people to live in but they rent them out to immigrates because they think they know, no better.

I've seen it with my own eyes. I had a polish friend at work, actually a really nice guy and as soon as he made up enough money and his wife had her babies they moved back to Poland and bought a massive house to live in instead of staying in the UK and putting money into the country.

Plus these countries is literally packed with immigrants do you realise these farmers your talking about are selling there land to have houses built on them because there isn't enough affordable housing in the UK anymore because there is not enough houses to house the amount of immigrants coming to the country. They even putting them up in 5 star hotels because they can't find places for them to live

[Puppystarfish23]

Also I agree with you in Brexit. I voted Brexit but it was handled by people who got us a shit deal and we were pretty much lied to.

Nothing we were promised has came ture so far because the people pushing for Brexit weren't also making the deals once it happened.

Why do you think so many people voted for Brexit as well do you think maybe I'm not the only person whose sees what's happening to are country and wanted to do something about it. We actually thought we were being listened to for once instead of the lefty middle class people telling us we are dumb and don't know what we're talking about because we are working class but them posting selfies of themselves donating to the food bank.

The left wing people only care about working class people when we are your little victims but as soon as we have are own opinions we are told to shut up

[Soteris]

Any worker who goes to work in the UK could have gone to any other EU nation instead, at least before Brexit. They are not desperate for work or forced to accept low standards but exploiting a hole in the UK work force that the native population has decided to not fulfill themselves. Why would someone go to a country where everyone hates them and their would be employer shits on them every day? They are not stupid.

The argument that the UK is over-crowded and farmers are having to sell their land is also not true. Farmers have always been selling their land off. Farmable land does not produce much profit per square mile compared to housing so selling it off is basically a one way ticket to becoming filthy rich. Even if you have a farmer that refuses to sell an inch of their land there is always going to be someone else who inherits it later and can't wait to cash in.

As for the housing crisis in the UK, that is just pure old government mismanagement. They dont care and half of them are too incompetent even if they had a will to do something. If you got a labour government for a bit then they would probably provide enough affordable housing that it would not become an issue.

Point is, there is not a massive growth in the population of the UK, I think its around 0.4% annual growth right now which is objectively not a good number if you want a growing economy.

[Soteris]

As for why people voted Brexit? I am not particularly surprised. People tend to lash out like that when they are afraid or dont understand something, we generally call you people reactionary. You oppose something without really having an understanding of it. A good example is how everyone warned you what would happen if you voted for Brexit, and they were proven entirely correct.. because it was obvious what would happen.

This is not a case of you not being heard, even if that is also true, but that there was never any other outcome than this (or worse). No one could have made Brexit work and the people you said "pushed for Brexit" but was not making the deals were simply lucky enough not to be given the blame for Brexits failure and thus could escape without the consequences of their actions.

But yeah.. Brexit was a really stupid decision and people are going to make fun of Britain for it for a very long time into the future.

[Puppystarfish23]

Says your from Sweden on here it's crazy that you can see everything that's happening from there. Thanks for telling me a British who lives and works in Britain every single day what's happening I wasn't sure you know. Must all be in my head

[Puppystarfish23]

Wonder if I can see what's happening in Sweden from reading a couple articles on line that are written by left wing media outlets surly I'll know everything about Sweden without actually being from there or living there by doing that

[Puppystarfish23]

Also you say they aren't stupid half of the Romains I work with can't even read numbers. I don't know how they've managed and it's actually very sad but I'm probably wrong about that to even though I've seen it for myself and lived it

[Puppystarfish23]

www.independent.co.uk/.../...fashion-a9602086.html

Sending you some articles so you can actually education yourself on the truth

[Puppystarfish23]

www.migrationwatchuk.org/.../immigration-at-all-time-record-level-with-record-1-1-million-visas-issued-to-come-and-live-in-the-uk

[Puppystarfish23]

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...d-people-smuggling.html

[Puppystarfish23]

www.standard.co.uk/.../...n-students-b1029583.html

[Soteris]

I am going to go out on a limb here and be kind towards you, as opposed to my reputation on this website.

First of all, and I do mean this wholeheartedly, you would benefit from using Ground News. It is a service that collects news articles and allows you to sort out more accurate news by uncovering media bias and blatant propaganda. In other words, it gives you a better source of news for a reasonable subscription fee which I feel is perfect for people like you who perhaps dont put in as much effort into fact checking news as is honestly required today. For the price of a coffee a month this does your job for you more or less.

Moving on, I will skip most of the reasons why living in a country does not really give you an advantage in judging the "real" situation in it. Mainly it boils down to a few factors that works against you. First of all you are only experiencing a very limited slice of the truth, being the immediate surrounding of you and you can't assume the rest of the country follows the same trend. A good example is if you are living in London you can't assume that everywhere else is like London which is especially true in a country with 4 different nations and overseas territories.

You are also the explicit target of propaganda with countless millions of billions are spent trying to control what you read, think and feel about various topics where as I, as an outsider, am not being singled out by propaganda. Lastly we have an inherent bias by simply identifying as a citizen of your country which changes your impressions away from the factual reality, which again I as a 3rd party do not necessarily have that bias.

As such, unless you put in about as much time and effort that I do to stay up to date and informed then you will have a worse understanding of your own country, and I spend literally hours each day reading up on world news which includes the current situation of the UK.

[Soteris]

As such, I also happen to know a bit about Romania and how they have a compulsory education system just like anywhere else in Europe and claiming they, as a general group, can't read numbers is patently absurd. You also need to accept that the Romanians you encounter in the UK are not your average person, they are specifically the type of person that willingly travels to a foreign country to seek work and other benefits. That requires a personal drive as well as bravery that most people do not have and makes them very good workers and if they perform badly then its honestly the employer that is failing to utilize the excellent qualities of their workers.

I also like to point out that immigrant workers are really good for the economy and provides much more value than native workers. Mainly because you can avoid the two biggest costs of a normal worker, that being the investment the nation puts into you as you grow up and the cost to the system to take care of you as you grow old. If someone comes to your country to work and then goes home that is the best possible outcome you could ever ask for.

As for the problems with immigration into the UK as well as lacking labor protection, that is purely political. It really should not be a problem and even if you think it is France has offered to build a processing facility in their country to allow you to process their claims before they even enter the country but your government has refused. Fact still remains however, your population is stagnating. You are not suffering from an explosion of people where you could not find places to house them all, its entirely within manageable limits if the government were doing their jobs, which they are not. Its not the fault of the immigration, just your politicians.

[KostasKouvalis]

Honestly, I think it's more honorable to hate one's country then to be blindly patriotic/nationalistic. We have a big problem with immigration as well. Third world immigrants everywhere always ruin countries, but to be fair you can't put all the blame on them. The majority of the blame should fall on your government, because they're the ones who allowed this sort of thing to happened. Any rational person would take advantage of government policy. It's government policy that always ruins countries, and the Labor party has completely ruined the UK. Main reason I don't like the U. S. very much either. There are other reasons to like the mentality of the people, but if you have a rational leaders then people's mentality can change. It's the government that always fucks everything up.

[artsy_dragon]

I agree with this. We should get Nadhim Zahawi and all the other tories to pay their taxes like us! Or you know pay the nurses more etc.

[artsy_dragon]

No @bvxcvbbr

[Puppystarfish23]

Exactly one of the reasons I'm saying what I'm saying. Nurse don't get enough credit for what they do, it's a dam hard job and why shouldn't they be getting good pay this is the reason why standards are being lowered to because anyone who is decent enough to work in care shouldn't be working shit wages and its scary.

[Puppystarfish23]

Should be getting paid good pay*

[artsy_dragon]

It's onwards of the reasons why I stopped studying to become one @puffystarfish23

[Puppystarfish23]

Sorry ignore me

[artsy_dragon]

Why ignore why @Puppystarfish23

[Puppystarfish23]

Last time I went to a hospital the woman in the desk couldn't even speak English

[Puppystarfish23]

Because I thought I said nurses shouldn't be paid well and then i went to correct myself and I didn't need to lol

[artsy_dragon]

Lol isokay and thanks for the follow @puppystarfiah23

[Puppystarfish23]

No problem, I see your from the Ukrainian and have came over to the UK. I'm so sorry for what's happening in your country and what I have written is not targeted towards your people I totally understand your people's situation. You've actually came to the UK yourself and see what I'm talking about

[artsy_dragon]

No it's fine okay. I grew up between Ukraine, UK, France, Poland and Russia. We have family all over about and my parents would just leave me and my siblings with other members of my family for weeks or months at a time

[OddBeMe]

The problem is you’re being swayed by idiots. It’s not immigrants. It’s big business sucking up all pie leaving us with the crust.

Your wages haven’t increased because big business doesn’t want them to. Then pays special interests to push bigoted and false immigration bullshit.

[Amur8711]

Its sad that those same people are contaminating us here in the US. However we have states that each has their own government bodies to more form their government to be what their people want. They're are states that are fighting against our immigration and drug problems that would be better for someone like you that wish to escape it.

[exitseven]

America is tuning into the same thing. In the last two years crime had spiked, drugs are laa over the place and illegal immigrants are costing taxpayers billions of dollars. I prefer to stay and try to make it the great country it once was.

[ManHater]

oh and azn grooming gangs raping little white girls too... Uk is a shit hole and i wish hitler invaded he would have made it a better place.

[Puppystarfish23]

That's actually such a disgusting, uneducated and hypocritical thing to say. You know Hitler like kids right and you probably wouldn't even be to have been here to say that as well if he did

[ManHater]

Well better than what the UK government is... What sort of country allows Muslims to groom and rape it's own and pretend it never happened. That's the sickest part about the UK and surprise does not bother you in the least.

[Puppystarfish23]

Never said it didn't bother me what bothers me is that fact you just said you wish hitler had invaded and that he would have made it a better place.

[SnoopBean9110]

No, I hate America because of the modern day society. Everyone wants the same thing and I hate them for it!

[CAPTAIN-OBVIOUS]

I’ve never actually seen a girl be anti immigration before so this is a first for me.

[Puppystarfish23]

I don't have hate in my heart for these immigrants themselves I understand they have there reasons but I hate the government for allowing it

[CAPTAIN-OBVIOUS]

I’m from the United States so I don’t understand UK migration problems. But I have heard that white people are basically shamed into being open borders because they don’t want to get called racist for being strict on migration.

[Puppystarfish23]

Pretty much

[Emanon25]

No one hates his own country.

[Puppystarfish23]

Who "his"

[Emanon25]

He or she

[Gummy_Cluster]

Yes it is.