Pro-lifers, why do you possess your beliefs, and do you feel that you respect women?

[defnotraemie]

When I say respect, that doesn’t mean just holding the door open by the way lol

[BCRanger10]

I am pro-life. I am so first and foremost because I, as a Catholic, believe that human life is made in the image of God and the Church has defined abortion as a grave and objective moral evil.

By the way, contrary to popular belief, abortion is not a religious issue, let alone just for Christians. Jews oppose abortion and so do Muslims and Hindus, but the ancient Greeks (pagans) did as well. And so do atheists. Look up the organization Secular Pro-Life, which was started by Kelsey Hazzard, an atheist lawyer and also, a woman.

I also oppose abortion because the object of an abortion is a fetus, or an unborn human being. If that fetus can be "terminated" or "aborted", then the only implication is that it is in fact a life. If someone claims that life doesn't begin at conception, then they have to grapple with all sorts of ethical and metaphysical questions like when a life really does begin, how they know, why then, and why not before or after. Then of course there are also things like the unborn child having its own DNA and its own heartbeat.

And lastly yes, I do respect women. I know I do. My respect, admiration, and appreciation for women is not dependent on abortion; quite frankly, the very idea is revolting. I respect women because they are my counterparts in the world in which we live. I don't watch pornography (it is repulsive and disgusting) and I'm a firm believer in and advocate of not putting women in a position where the feel like they have to make the choice to abort, most importantly by waiting until marriage to have sex.

[defnotraemie]

One of the only good answer in my opinion, thanks for not making this about attacking anyone or shaming women. Still don’t agree with no sex before marriage but your answer touched me :)
My triggering response isn’t toward you by the way

[PraviteliNahuiValite]

Oh baby, me no understand big words like "pro-lifers" and "beliefs." Me just know me like to hump and make babies. But me can tell you that me respect women because they give me the pleasure of humping them and bringing new life into the world. Me no hold doors open or say pretty words, but me show my respect by giving them orgasms and taking care of our babies. Me no need to possess beliefs, me just follow my instincts. And right now, my instincts tell me to pound you hard and make you scream with pleasure. So let's forget about beliefs and respect and get back to fucking, baby.

[PraviteliNahuiValite]

Thanks for the MHO! 🙂

[PraviteliNahuiValite]

[Thatpearl26]

Well I’m a pro lifer when it comes to sleeping around and becoming pregnant because you’re not responsible. Although I have a strong belief that if you are raped, from incest, or it causes harm to the mother that you should be able to have an abortion. Of course I don’t really see the point of pro choice and pro lifers because roe v wade was already overturned. Also it’s not like abortion is completely illegal roe v wade just gave the power to decided how many month you can be along until the option of abortion is taken away to the states. Also states have laws/exceptions such as what I mentioned above for rape cases, etc. To answer your question of course I always respects everyone despite them being a women or a man.

[Anonymous]

It’s hard to make any kind of case for respect when pro-lifers put their own moral judgments ahead of the individual rights of women. I don’t like guns or hate speech, for instance, but I respect the rights of others and don’t want to see these things banned. I’m content to regulate my own behavior and stay out of other people’s business unless it’s affecting me. I wish society had a more libertarian world view.

[PickleTree]

Does the baby have any rights?

[Opinion Owner]

@PickleTree No. The court grants very limited rights to existing children. What need does a fetus that isn’t even self aware have for rights? The whole pro-life movement is about imposing morality.

[monorprise]

So your saying the unelected and unaccountable court not the elected legislator defines the limits of your natural rights?

Not only is that dictatorial, its inconsistent with the nature of our Constitutional system.

[Opinion Owner]

@monorprise The governmental framework established by the constitution puts the judiciary in charge of interpreting the constitution and applying it in disputes over laws created by the legislative branch. How can a constitutional system created by the constitution be inconsistent with itself?

[monorprise]

The whole point of the Constitutional system is to put no 1 man or group of men in charge of defining the law. But rather to distribute that responsibility among all involved parties.

Not even the federal court claimed that power in Madison vs. Marbury (1803) as illustrated by the fact that not only did the court assert they thought Murbury would be entitled to his writ, but they could not make the elective give it to Marbury as such Marbury never got his writ.

So no, no 1 branch of goverment gets to dictate to the other branches and levels of goverment what the Constitution is, only what it is to them in choosing to cooperate with it.

Logically speaking a constitutional system of law could not work were this not the case, as said court would be come supreme oligarchs were they empowered to order around the other 2 branches and levels of goverment instead of simply refuse to cooperate in the conviction of people.

[msc545]

There is no way to tell if an unborn child has self-awareness (whatever that is), so if you don't know, the most moral and safe thing to do is to NOT kill it.

[Summeroflove]

Because it’s a choice to run around and have sex. I can empathize with some abortion arguments. It doesn’t mean I agree with it.

I do respect women the same as I respect anyone else. Unless someone gives me a reason not to.

I think men are the same way. If you don’t want to pay child support and have a responsibility to raise the child you helped to create. Then please…. Just don’t run around having sex then. Plain and simple.

I thought feminists are all against objectifying women…. Until they go around and claim how they’re proud whores.

They’re a embarrassment to 90 percent of women out there and need to stop acting as if they represent billions of women. Because they don’t.

[MrCommodore]

I'm generally pro-life, but pro-choice in cases of rape or where the mothers life is in danger or maybe if both biological parents agree on termination.

I believe that if a biological father can be legally compelled by a Court to pay child maintenance for 18 years, he should be entitled to a say on whether or not a termination is allowed.

I respect women, but also believe in fathers rights.

[Texaskid1]

I am not totally against abortion at the same time I don't think there should be "abortion on demand" as the leftists often argue.

Abortion is a serious issue and should only be done under extreme circumstances like rape , incest, or for certain medical issues ( ie. birth could kill the mother )

[msc545]

Do you respect children? If so then why do you advocate doing things like ripping their legs and arms off with forceps and then forcing them out of the womb? Why is it that you think that murdering children is perfectly acceptable? Why'd you getting enraged at men who question your right to commit murder and yet you're perfectly okay with murdering people who you think might have raped somebody?

[Anonymous]

Do you respect our right to kill you when you become an inconveniences to us (and you already are)?

You can't have it both ways, your not entitled to kill other people. If you want that right then you must agree we have the same right to kill you.

I would very much advice against that because your demanding politics are very much an inconveniences to us.

[defnotraemie]

“When you become an inconvenience to us (which you already are)” You believe women are an inconvenience? Care to elaborate?

[Opinion Owner]

@defnotraemie Naturally Women can certainly become an inconvenience just like men and every subdivision thereof.

Few people would act against anyone who wasn't in some way an inconveniences justifying said actions. We have laws agreeing to respect other people's rights precisely because inevitably we could become or in the case of a baby be made via no choice of our own an inconvenience to others.

Without said laws we would all do as you suggest and simply kill the source of our inconveniences to avoid it. As such you would almost certantly not be here to talk to me having been removed if not by your own mother's hand then by the countless other people you inconveniences in the last 22+ years.

[UCrayCray]

Do I have the right to demand that you allow me to use your organs if it is needed to save or sustain my life?
If not, why not?

[Opinion Owner]

@UCrayCray If I had put you into said position you would of course have such a right. This is called liability.

[UCrayCray]

@monorprise So your position isn’t so much Pro-life, as it is anti-abortion?

[Opinion Owner]

@UCrayCray My position is for equal rights under the law recognizing the scientifically undeniable fact that we are all individual human from the moment our unique human DNA is successfully formed.

If you want to live in a state were we can all kill each-other to avoid the consequences of our own actions fine. But don't be unilaterally dehumanizing some of us to suit your own conveniences in justifying killing us.

[UCrayCray]

@monorprise
So you have the right to deny others the use of your organs for their survival, but I do not? And then you believe you can claim you are for equal rights? 🤨
If you’re pro-life, shouldn’t it be all life?
If it isn’t all life, how is that pro-life?
You’re just anti-abortion, minimizing any reason a women might have as a mere “inconvenience.”

[Opinion Owner]

@UCrayCray I don't have the right to avoid liability for what I do to other. That my Oregon's themselfs are generally useless in such situations is the reason they demand money instead to allow them to buy whatever it is that they do need.

To that end if it becomes safe and practical to transfer a baby from one woman to anther there is little reason to object to the woman who choose to convene said baby paying for that transfer and other woman to do the job she was liable for.

[UCrayCray]

@monorprise
“I don't have the right to avoid liability for what I do to other.” You will never be made to sacrifice your bodily autonomy as a form of liability, no matter what condition that body may be in.
And what sense does it make to force someone to be responsible for the life of another when they have clearly shown they aren’t even responsible enough to prevent pregnancy?

[Opinion Owner]

@UCrayCray ... So your saying If I really hurt or even kill someone else I won't be sent to prison or put to death?
Im sorry maybe that's true where you live but not in my state. You absolutely can lose your bodily autonomy as a form of liability in every jurisdiction I know of.

Your being irresponsible in your choices does not make you not responsible for their consequences.

If need be to protect the child FROM you we may take them from you, but that is for their benefit NOT YOURS!

[UCrayCray]

@monorprise
“So your saying If I really hurt or even kill someone else I won't be sent to prison or put to death?” No. It is true that in some places the government will put you to death. A clear violation of ones bodily autonomy. We are, however, discussing liability as related pregnancy, or the forced physical use of your body for the benefit of another.
Funny enough, even the convicted criminal who is put to death gets to say what happens to his body. He can refuse any and all the use of his body and his organs, even after he’s not using them anymore. And it will be honored. That’s interesting, huh?
Abortion is taking responsibility, even if you don’t like it as an option.
“If need be to protect the child FROM you we may take them from you, but that is for their benefit NOT YOURS!” 🤨
You cannot protect the unborn from abortion by taking them away from the pregnant woman, but okay.

[Opinion Owner]

@UCrayCray

You are losing your bodily autonomy in liability for you acts against others regardless of whether or not we deed that liability is forced service, confinement, donation, or death.

There is no significant difference if anything pregnancy is by far one of the least dept you could pay. It is far less than you deserve for said act in which you CHOOSE to create anther life. You are naturally responsible not only for their support in the womb but their raising to adult hood.

That we would allow you to abandon the greater of said responsibility is an injustice for which you should be forced to compensate us for the rest of your life.

[UCrayCray]

@monorprise
Tell me when in your like, or in what situation, would you he forced you have another physically attach to your body, living off your very life blood. You want to talk about making this equal, when do we to use your body to physically sustain the life of another?
“…compensate us…” 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Yes, well, victimhood is a hell of a thing.

[FallingSkies_18]

I am not one, but I am certain its largely due to religious reasons? :)

Also, I am curious can I ask you for some advice and support? I am looking for friends as well..

[gorydetails]

Yes. Why wouldn’t it be respect? I’d say the disrespect to a woman is dismembering her in the womb and pulling her head off her body with forceps

[LimitedBenefits101]

Pro choice women, why do y'all love to kill babies? do y'all not have any respect for babies?

[Owen009]

I respect people. I respect life. Women don't warrant special respect over anyone else, as much as they like to think they do.

[Anonymous]

I'll put it this way. I respect women no less than women respect me. You get what you give. Welcome to life. 👍🙂

[Anonymous]

Hi I follow people whom I like to talk. Unless you are just advertising yourself here for attention, of course

[PickleTree]

I respect women and babies.