Are you shocked and disappointed Bernie Sanders endorsed Biden for president so quickly?

[llorando]

Surprised this endorsement came so quickly when the Primaries have just barely started and 51% of Democrat's believe Biden should not run for reelection.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/bernie-sanders-endorses-biden-president-1234723658/

I'm shocked and disappointed

I'm not shocked and disappointed

I'm shocked but not disappointed

I'm disappointed but not shocked

[abc3643]

This is how I'd vote but that choice was not available:

I am not shocked and not disappointed.

That may be what you wanted for #2 or #4.

Unfortunately, they are logically the same.

#2: I'm not shocked and disappointed
#4: I'm disappointed but not shocked
Rearranging #4:
I'm not shocked but disappointed.

"But" and "And" are logically the same, thus #2 and #4 are logically the same.

So, maybe what I wrote is what you meant for one of those.

[abc3643]

The primaries won't start until 2024 likely around February.

[llorando]

#2 actually should have been I'm not shocked or disappointed.

[abc3643]

I don't buy that necessarily because English is fast and loose with conjunctions and the applicability of "not" straddling the sentence. So, "or"s should be avoided wherever possible.

However, you might be thinking:
I'm not shocked NOR am I disappointed.
Broken down for a machine, that would be:
I am not shocked and I am not disappointed.

Really, I hate shit like this because they should be written clearly and unambiguously as if you are writing code for a machine to interpret.

[Soteris]

Not that surprised. Biden is old and according to himself, too old to run for president again. Secondly, in America politics the incumbent president has a massive advantage which is why it was such an upset when Trump managed to lose. It is therefore a safer bet to run Biden again than to switch it out for Bernie even if he is more popular. It is all just politics really.

[Soteris]

*Bernie is old etc..

Man, it gets easy to mix them both up when they both start with B.

[Anonymous]

We are truly living in the times of The Emperor's New Clothes, and just like in that 200 year old book, it's the highest people in power and influence who are buying into it.

[Whatthefluff]

That is disappointing coming from Sanders, the only person I genuinely would be happy to see take office. What is the point of endorsing Biden.

[llorando]

"What is the point of endorsing Biden" Brown nosing the DNC establishment. Hate to say it, but the 2023 Sanders isn't the same Sanders I voted for in 2016.

[Soteris]

Part of the requirement of being inside a political party is to support the party in elections. If you have disagreement in how they do things you either bring that up during a primary or internally but you dont generally attack your own party publicly. That is how the system works, like it or not.

[Whatthefluff]

You both are right. However, Sanders identified as an independent for so long. I am disappointed that he’s apparently so concerned about popular opinion in this way.

[llorando]

"you dont generally attack your own party publicly" I'm a independent, so I'm free to attack Democrats and Republicans all I want, but if you don't like the system, going with the flow won't fix the issue that's causing the dislike, you have to attack your party and hold their feet to the fire and force change, but in my opinion the Democratic party is too far gone to save so I left. A lot of progressives have been disappointed with Sanders lately. Remember in 2012 when Sanders was calling for Obama to be primaried for not keeping campaign promises

[OlderAndWiser]

No shock. Bernie is also too old to run again and he may have been offered a Cabinet position in the next administration if Biden is re-elected.

[NamerOfStars]

Bernie's driven by ideology and profit, not principle; pretty much the only thing he could do that WOULD surprise me is to burst into flame before turning to stone when confronted with a brandished psychology textbook.

Which is a pity, now that I think of it; that'd make an awesome statue.

[D_Bone_Steak]

He's become establishment... No shock... he's been that guy. It's no longer the millionaires and the billionaires... it's the billionaires now because he is now a millionaire. I was no fan to begin with, so it's whatever to me. I just know what he's trying to do and pointing and laughing at it early just like last time. I'm still mumbling "fuck Mrs. Clinton"... it wasn't her turn. Remember he endorsed her... don't endorse your competition.

[DryGermanGuy]

Neither. I am more puzzled that a man his age still wants to go at it, with more than 50 years working in public office. And being the president is the most stressful of them all.
All in all I would say it’s disappointing the DNC failed to build up a potential successor in the last four years.

[loveslongnails]

Neither Biden nor Trump should ever be President again... EVER, especially Trump!
DeSantis should never be President a first time.
The R's do not have a worthy candidate to put up... not a single one.
The D's have but one - Jeff Jackson.

[incubuskatz]

Like it matters who is the president, bottom line they don’t favor or help the poor, so president who? They suck and haven’t helped my life. So it does not matter

[Sour-rose]

Oh, old guy did a thing? that's... great, i guess.

[richardcory]

I expected it, but I still think its a very bad decision. Biden is too damn old.

[Avicenna]

The Democrats obviously want to eliminate any competition in the primaries.

[EpicSnail]

I guess I'm surprised, I thought they were on opposite ends of the party. I don't care much either way.

[Anonymous]

Joe Biden is soo far gone that his administration is run by the far left as it is. Pragmatically the could not want anymore more.

[Dargil]

It is impossible for me to care less, as much as I might try.

[Anonymous]

No. I wouldn't really be surprised if you told me Bernie had an hour long argument with a labradoodle. 😆😆😆

[jshm2]

You're not well informed.

Bernie has his own agenda to take care of and the "51%" poll , is mostly bullshit.

[llorando]

How is the poll bullshit? Even tho in the poll 51% said they didn't want Biden to run for reelection, most democrats said they would vote for Biden if he's the parties nominee.

[gorydetails]

Bernie always rolls over like a bitch to the DNC. But he's gotten rich from his con game.

[BarryLiverstone]

I’m not shocked. The incumbent usually gets the nomination and Bernie wants to help fund raise

[Ptrmbrs88]

Would anyone want Bernie Sanders in the White House? He's just as senile as Sniffy Joe.

[Anonymous]

Was he supposed to endorse trump?

[llorando]

No, should have stayed on the side lines and let the Dem primaries play out, then endorse the Dem nominee.

[Opinion Owner]

A deal made for something beanie wants put through or help with the IRS or FBI investigating his wife or kids.

[Legendarylegacy13]

Why wouldn't Biden run for reelection. That would be horrible.

[Iron_Man]

That’s to be expected from him

[msc545]

More politics. Don't care.

[OddBeMe]

I’m never shocked when old people act old.

[LiamJHayden]

Not really.