Why is is okay to have pride flags and diversity posters hung in a school, but it is not okay to wear a shirt that says, "There are only two genders?

[Adaeva]

During an April 13 school committee meeting, Liam Morrison, a seventh grader at John T. Nichols, Jr. Middle School in Middleborough, MA, stated the following when recounted his experience of being removed from class because of the message on his shirt, “There are only two genders”.

“Hello, good evening, my name is Liam Morrison,” the 12-year-old began. “I never thought the shirt I wore on March 21 would lead me to speak with you today. On that Tuesday morning, I was taken out of gym class to sit down with two adults for what turned out to be a very uncomfortable talk.”

“I was told that people were complaining about the words on my shirt, that my shirt was making some students feel unsafe. Yes, words on a shirt made people feel unsafe. They told me that I wasn’t in trouble, but it sure felt like I was.”

“I told I was told that I would need to remove my shirt before I could return to class when I nicely told them that I didn't want to do that they called my father thankfully my dad supported my decisions came to pick me up

“What did my shirt say? Five simple words: ‘There are only two genders.’ Nothing harmful, nothing threatening. Just a statement I believe to be a fact. I have been told that my shirt was targeting a protected class. Who is this protected class? Are their feelings more important than my rights?

“I don't complain when I see pride flags and diversity posters hung throughout the school. Do you know why because others have a right to their beliefs just as I do. Not one person staff or student told me that they were bothered by what I was wearing actually just the opposite several kids told me that they supported my actions and that they wanted one too.

“I experience wait a minute I was told that the shirt was A disruption to learning but no one got up and stormed out of class no one burst into tears I'm sure I would have noticed if they had..."

[abc3643]

As far as I am concerned, you can wear a "There are only 2 genders" shirt all you want in your free time. It's a First Amendment right.

While, personally, I have no significant problem with a kid wearing that in school, I can accept the school policy to ban such a shirt because it can be disruptive to the education process.

However, wearing that shirt really advertises that the wearer is an idiot. Not necessarily because of what they believe - which is in error (*) - but because that is deliberately confrontational. That illustrates a lack of maturity and a lack of emotional intelligence.

(*) There are not only 2 genders. The concept of a person's awareness of their gender is rooted in that person's brain development. Quite a few people have two (or more) distinct sets of genes. If one set is male and the other is female, you are going to have any of a plethora of "alphabet issues". (Another way this can happen is the fetus being exposed through the mother to opposite-sex hormones.)

To make this clear, let's use a more tangible example. "Gender" is solely a mental thing. However, people with multiple distinct sets of genes that includes both male and female sets can have genital formation issues. For instance, this baby is a hermaphrodite or "intersex person" - a human with both sets of genitalia.

https://www.facebook.com/AyazAli1233/photos/a.2252902508261291/2538355859715953/?type=3

CAPTION (corrected for grammar) from the Facebook site of Dr Ayaz Ali

True hermaphroditism.

True hermaphroditism clinically known as ovotesticular disorder of sex development is a medical term for an intersex condition in which an individual is born with ovarian and testicular tissue. more commonly one or both gonads is an ovotestis containing both types of tissue.

[S]uch conditions are extremely rare in humans. In true gonadal intersex or true hermaphroditism, an individual has both ovarian and testicular tissue. The ovarian and testicular tissue may be separate or two may be combined in what is called an ovotestis.

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So, what gender is this baby?

Male?

Female?

WORD OF ADVICE:

It is best that a person does not advertise their ignorance or immaturity. For example, by wearing a shirt that says "There are only two genders."

[Adaeva]

1 in a million exceptions don't make the rule.

[abc3643]

Actually, 1 in a million exceptions destroys the rule. That's how logic works.
Google "Quantificational logic"

And it is more frequent than 1 in a million. It's more like 1 in 20,000.

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rarediseases.org/.../ovotesticular-disorder-of-sex-development
Ovotesticular Disorder of Sex Development
Last updated: September 27, 2016

Disease Overview

Ovotesticular disorder of sex development (ovotesticular DSD) is a very rare disorder in which an infant is born with the internal reproductive organs (gonads) of both sexes (female ovaries and male testes). The gonads can be any combination of ovary, testes or combined ovary and testes (ovotestes). The external genitalia are usually ambiguous but can range from normal male to normal female.

Synonyms

ovotesticular DSD
true gonadal intersex
true hermaphroditism

...
Affected populations

Ovotesticular DSD is the rarest disorder of sex development in humans and has an approximate incidence of less than 1/20,000. At least 500 affected individuals have been reported.

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But that's only one condition. There are many other conditions that may result in some combination of genitalia, sexual orientation, or gender issues. And all are due to genetics or issues during congenital development.

[shi-shi]

And of course he acts innocent, like he's wearing the shirt just because he likes the design and not because he's intentionally being a little shit and trying to make any trans or non-binary classmates uncomfortable

[Adaeva]

Even though I disagree, I am rating you MHO because based on your premises, your answer is logical and the most complete.

[Pohjolan]

Humans produce only two types of gametes and thus have only two genders nor can humans swap genders like frogs can.
People are free to pretend otherwise but we don't have to play along with their fantasies.

[abc3643]

Thank you! @adaeva

[abc3643]

@Pohjolan This is somewhat incorrect because gender is not something that is physically manifest.
Gender is a perception of what you believe your should be.

For instance, I am a cis-gendered heterosexual male.
This means:
1. I have male genitalia only. (So, my sex is male.)
2. I have sexual attraction to females. (So, my sexual orientation is heterosexual.)
3. My brain informs me that I should be male. (So, my gender is male. I am cis-gendered because my genitalia are appropriate for my gender.)

I have an acquaintance with the child of married coworker friends. Their child is an F2M transgender aka a "transgendered male" or "trans-man".

Before making the transition, this person was known as Andrea. Now, this person is known as Drew, short for Andrew.

1. Drew has female genitals (or did; I don't know if Drew had surgery regarding that, but Drew did have a double mastectomy).

2. Drew's sexual orientation is unknown to me.

3. Andrea/Drew always perceived themself to be male.

Thus, because Drew's self-perceived gender is male, but Drew's genitalia were female, Drew has "gender dysphoria" and is transgendered.

[Pohjolan]

@abc3643
"This is somewhat incorrect because gender is not something that is physically manifest."
Negative. Gender IS physically manifest.

Drew can pretend to be a male but she will never be male on a cellular level. She can never produce a child with another woman without artificially created gametes.
Nor will she ever have functional male genitalia.

Besides there's a good chance that she'd would just have been a lesbian female if allowed to grow up more normally.
GJ.

[abc3643]

@Pohjolan

We are miscommunicating and I will assign blame to myself.

Most people think of gender as being equivalent to sex - what sex they are.

If one goes with that definition, then the baby in my earlier post illustrates that "gender" as you are using is it in the manifest sense is not binary since that baby is a hermaphrodite.

My use of gender should perhaps be "gender identity" and that is not tangible - not something observable. And gender identity can certainly be beyond being binary and this is due to brain development and, often, mosaic genetics.

[lightbulb27]

It's gas lighting in their view. By saying that as his truth, it denies their view of reality.

These trans people are emotionally and hormonally screwed up people, they cannot handle someone challenging their view of self. so many are suicidal as it is and don't feel included, thus the idea of their community.

Pride flags are viewed as positive... it supports their sense of truth about themselves.

The school has been forced to appease to this loud group... whomever screams loudest and sues, and as well, has the power at the top of the government... wins. The govt is funding the school and thus can punish them finaincially. So they support LGBT@!#$.

I suggest that young man return to school with a new Yoda hat: "Stick it in your ear".

The school si wrong, that is not hate speech to tell someone they are wrong.

I think ultimately, this is really about indoctrinization of youth and run at a much higher level. A lot of kids can't think beyond these issues like this child nor have supportive parents and so are prey to the mind warp.

It's hard to believe our country, andworld, has come to this for what is in my view... really a pollution problem... too many artificial hormones in the envoronment as well as removal of religion which guided peoples morals to some degree.

Thus again, I'm forced to support Trump or someone that thinks like him.

[lightbulb27]

id suggest leaving school for home schooling, but someone needs to fight for all the kids that aren't able to and are cannon fodder for these nut cases.

[exitseven]

We need a hool choice now. When parents start voting with their feet and putting their kids in private s hoots and defending the public schools things will change.

[lightbulb27]

@exitseven agree. break up the schools... they were ruined by the govt.

[exitseven]

All they need is some competition and they will improve in a hurry. For too long the teacher s union has been running the show. . Yhey need to be put in their place

[metalheadphysicist]

This world really has deteriorated. If we take a look into simple biology, we can see that there are X, and Y chromosomes. XX for girls, XY for boys. THAT, is a simple fact. Yes there are individuals with XXY chromosomes, or other intersex conditions, however the exception should never be the rule. Sex and gender are the same thing. I do not care for any of the "sex is biology, gender is in the mind" nonsense. That is false. There are only two genders or sexes.

The problem with these diversity and lgbtq+ movements, is that most of the people think they are being a good human being. They are being lied to, by themselves and society. Pretending and lying to people's faces is never alright. Sure, you do not need to be harsh or evil to the lgbtq+ people. Anyone who is so, without any just reason, is disgusting. Murder, or crimes committed to the lgbtq+ community, due their mental conditions, is terrible. However, this does not mean you need to, or should go along with their narrative.

Homosexuality is a sin. Transgenderism is a sin. We all sin. We all are humans. The lgbtq+ are no worse than any of us. However, as with any other human being, we must be compassionate and tell them of their sins. Or, at least do not lie to their faces. ok rant over.

In regards to the question, I think the boy has balls. Commendable. Its good to see that there are still sane people in this generation. As long as it was just the wearing of the shirt, I see no problem. Problems arise when he starts to attack people maliciously because they are lgbtq+. But yeah, he should not have been taken out of his classroom.

[Siri137]

"There are only two genders". There, I said it. This reminds me of that scene in the novel '1984' when Winston Smith is being tortured, and made by O'Brien to say there are whatever number of fingers he says is being held up, rather than the actual number. Two fingers O'Brian, just as there are two genders, not three (or an infinity).

This situation is absolutely ridiculous, absolutely stupid and insane. The lunatics really are running the asylum.

[TooHot2Care]

You realize that gender as a binary exclusively makes absolutely no sense , right? Think about what it means to be “manly” for a second…. Have you ever cried?

I’m afraid your access is revoked, as that is unmanly.

[Kiss_Me]

Thank you. There are only two genders and about two dozen mental illnesses.

[Siri137]

@TooHot2Care Gender as a binary makes perfect sense, because that's the reality. If there's anything other than males and females, what are they, what are they called?

[Pohjolan]

@TooHot2Care
You need sperm and a egg cell to create a new human unless you do it in a lab.
Gender is factually binary in humans just like with every other mammal.

[TooHot2Care]

I’m very curious, before I respond to the two people who say “gender is factually binary” I need to know how old you are, your education level, and if you have an open mind.

[Siri137]

@TooHot2Care There are TWO genders! That's just a fact. If you believe otherwise then you're an idiot who needs to go back to school.

[Pohjolan]

@TooHot2Care
"I’m very curious, before I respond to the two people who say “gender is factually binary” I need to know how old you are, your education level, and if you have an open mind."

None of that changes the argument itself. Are you familiar with Ad Hominem?

[Kiss_Me]

@TooHot2Care 31 years old
Masters in Information Systems
This is also not a matter of being open-minded. To presume that people are too old or stupid to agree with your viewpoint is hubris of the highest order.

[TooHot2Care]

@Pohjolan it actually determines whether or not I’m going to waste oxygen and brain power speaking to them…..

[TooHot2Care]

@Kiss_Me hubris…? Too old? Too stupid? I mean scientists gave us the answers, and people are rejecting them, and their reasons for rejecting them always come down to “but the facts say this.” But when you bring up “actually, the facts say this.” we usually just end up hitting a brick wall. You guys claim to have the facts but when asked to apply rigor or reasoning they tend to fall apart. Furthermore, said “facts” you guys claim to have don’t usually hold up to scrutiny.

I’ll be candid : I’ve spoken to a lot of you guys. The facts are just a red herring. It’s more about your emotions about gay and trans people that remains the actual constant.

Which is why I’m asking YOU if you have an open mind.

Also, 30. Computer Science Degree.

[Siri137]

@TooHot2Care So you have a computer science degree. So what? How is that even relevant? And which "scientists" are actually convinced there are more than two genders? Can you name any of them, even just one?
There are males, there are females. If there is anything other than this, then what are they, what are they called?

[TooHot2Care]

Woman, I was NOT talking to you and as far as I’m concerned, you are NOT involved in this anymore….

[Siri137]

@TooHot2Care Really? Well tough shit! If there are genders other than male and female, then WHAT ARE THEY?
You're just pissed off at me because you can't answer such a simple question.

[TooHot2Care]

Huh….. what was that? Was that something important?….. nah, probably just nice.

[OlderAndWiser]

This is the kind of crazy shit that leads older people to say, "I'm tired of this nonsense and the world is getting too crazy for me to tolerate. God, beam me up!"

(I am not near being at that point.)

[Leapfrog00]

It is ridiculous. According to an anatomy and physiology book, there really are only 2 genders. These people that are non-binary can be just as offensive. I know I don't feel comfortable talking to somebody if I have to use the pronouns "They" and "Them".

I'm a writer and the other day I was thinking, if someone ever wrote a story about a non-binary character, the reader wouldn't even understand when that character is speaking because instead of saying "He said, she said" it would be "They said". They means more than one person.

I'm not trying to sound offensive, but having a conversation with some of these people makes me feel stupid just by talking to them, I feel MY IQ dropping. Those teachers at that school that called the kid into the office to have the talk, they are the ones with the problem.

I understand and respect that men can identify as woman and woman can identify as men, but when you have people that say they are neither man or woman, I think they bigger problems than worrying about people getting their pronouns mixed up.

The wacked-out part is when someone says something about this, it's considered racist. I hope the next world is better than this one, because this one is going to shit fast. People don't know who they are, but what they are! lol.

I try to understand non-binary people and respect them, but when you ask them why they don't identify as a man or woman, you get answers that make no sense! lol

[Effably]

At a core? Including others is okay, excluding them less so.

Picture a school club putting up a poster "Accepting new members!" compared to them putting up a poster saying "Not accepting (your name)!". That's the core.

Now I do believe that reacting to someone's shirt like this is silly. Oh fair enough if the shirt was showing something illegal. However believing there is only two genders is completely fine even in a LGBTQ community. It just depends on how you relate to it.

Simplifying gender to two extremes of Completely Male/Female and arguing we all exist between those extremes for different areas of our life and personality isn't just a simple way to envision things but also a very common, and accepted, view. Of course that isn't what the provocative shirt was saying. But it is enough that a good teacher can use it as a moment to learn rather than make it problematic. A 12 year old spinning around and having thw whole class read their shirt is more than enough for most to reconsider it.

[exitseven]

It is because the public schools have turned into liberal indoctrination camps. You can burn the American flag and that is "free expression" but to wear a t shirt that says what science has been saying forever you are a menace. The only way to fix this is school choice. There are 18 states already that have this. Massachusetts is not one of them and probably will never be.

[Keyboardkat]

A word to the snowflakes who are made to feel "unsafe" by your T-Shirt:
In the words of a wise university president, "This isn't kindergarten! You don't get a time-out every time something makes you 'uncomfortable.' The world is full of people of all different kinds, and, news bulletin, not everyone is always going to see things the way you do! Get used to it. This is real life. If you can't accept that, then maybe this university isn't the right place for you!" Your "feelings" don't trump other peoples' feelings. Your rights are as important as others' rights, but they are not MORE important that others' rights.

[SirJohn42]

Because some schools push these agendas. If you are not for their circulum then you are against what they teach. They will silence you and your freedom of speech.

So many people push agendas but can't handle the truth when they are wrong. Or get upset for the other sides opinions. When tbe take a stand against it.

a lot of school boards and teachers hide behind a union. They try and tell children not to tell parents.

Either way not ever teacher or school board cares about our children. Dont have parents or students best interests either.
They push for the minority and push these agendas.

[worldscolide]

It's literally a double standard. There is no free speech in places that worthless piece of shit leftists control.

[worldscolide]

Oh and there are just two genders and a plethora of severe mental disorders, and they should be treated as such.

[boggboss]

I guess the difference was his top is making a statement that is still argued by many that are anti lgbt would be the same as wearing a top that said races shouldn't mix or Hitler did nothing wrong even if you truly believe these things your trolling if u think they won't get u drama

[AviatorTom]

Schools are liberal and teach that free speech is a right, so long as it agrees with what their liberal philosophy dictates.

[Adaeva]

Just like the government praising journalists proved they say what the government approves of.

[shi-shi]

Because he's clearly wearing the shirt to be deliberately disruptive, don't know why he's trying to act like a victim when the obvious intention is to try to upset any trans classmates he might have.

I'm sure he would have been kicked out if his shirt said "god is a myth" or "black people are inferior", your rights aren't being infringed here, you ALWAYS have the right to free speech, just as you have the right to be punished for saying shitty things.

[hellorambo]

Trans is not a gender, it is a classification. You are making the transition from a female to a male or a male to a female.

I have a friend that’s in transition to being female and it is some hardcore shit (this was before all the rise in large toxic trans groups), the operations that they’ve gone through are intense and the times they’ve gone to the hospital in an ambulance because shit went wrong, they have my upmost respect for their dedication.

If we are talking about medical procedures and messing with hormones I find it infuriating that we are allowing kids to do it. You can’t get a tattoo until your 18 yet you can get a life altering procedure below the age needed for a tattoo. Tattoos are removable, this is not. And now if we are talking about the ones who just say they are trans and don’t try to even try to match it, not even a change in voice pitch, I find it extremely disrespectful to my friend and disrespectful to the ones who truly want to be the opposite gender, and will do everything in their power to get there no matter how many emergency rides or operations it takes.

But the sad truth for them is that they will always be stuck in that phase technically, our doctors can make you as close to that gender on the outside as they can to near perfection, but you can never change your chromosomes. If some archaeologists digs them up a thousand years later, their gonna classify them as their born gender. My friend knows that and they are happy with just being seen as a female while they’re alive.

Also god is a myth, there is no afterlife, you are space dust that gained sentience for a spec of time and then returned to space dust, and who the fuck cares about races anymore, surely the human brain has developed enough to not give a shit anymore.

[RavVid]

Pretty dismal of the school to object to a t shirt pointing out there are two sex chromosomes and very nearly only two combinations XX or XY.

It would be funny if Liam Morrison got a modified t shirt with XX and XY to see if the school similarly objected. I bet they would despite there being no evidence of any other sex chromosones.

[Surely]

I am so sorry that you had to go through that experience. This goes to show that people can not sit back and allow trivial things to happen. Without asking questions and putting some thought into where things, if allowed to be made law. Might end up.
The laws are intentionally written vague. So they can be misconstrued to benefit the loud mouth minority!

[HighValue]

Telling the truth is often punished/disciplined in schools, both for students and for employees.

[bolverk]

“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” The Left cannot handle the truth and unfortunately most teachers are of the Left and they do not like their narrative being turned upside down by a 12yo boy amongst others.

[AdithyaR]

Because a diversity isn't trying to attack anyone's existence or invalidate someone's identity.
Contrary to what a lot of narrow minded people think, LGBTQ community doesn't have an issue with straight people and they're trying to attack that.
However a shirt that says only two genders exist is basically attacking and invalidating people.

[TheIrishWolf]

The T community are unfortunately Infesting places that are wrong and don't have a right to be. The LGBQs are fine, too certain extent.

And there are only two genders. It is a fact. Raising a generation that believer there are more or they can change is delusional. In fact, it concerns me about the future of mental health.

[AdithyaR]

Oh poor sweet child, don't worry you'll learn to be more open minded some day. I'm rooting for ya

[TheIrishWolf]

I'm actually an open-minded and reasonable person but some things are highly illogical.

All those people that are highly confused young adults, I wish them all the best in the future. No doubt. But we're coming to a point where we're acting like there's no difference in men and women and you can just choose. Some things you just can't choose.

And come on, don't be petty, we're adults here having a conversation.

[TooHot2Care]

@TheIrishWolf you aren’t logical, dude. You’re just an asshole with logic as an aesthetic.

[AdithyaR]

@TheIrishWolf it's not my intention to sound petty but I'm just tired of trying convince people of something that shouldn't need this much convincing.
Biological sex and gender are completely different things. I'm too worn out to explain it further. You can read up about the rest yourself.

[TheIrishWolf]

But yet they have the same name... which contradicts the fact that's its "completely different". Wouldn't it be a different name? Because when someone says "man" or "woman," theyre speaking about both sex and gender, hence they are synonymous. People are changing the meaning of gender to what it actually is. Because to ask yourself what is a man or woman? You begin to contradict yourself. To ask what anything is, and describe it, you'll soon realise what it actually is.

You can't have sex without gender. It's is an underlying principle. It is the fundamental make up of it. So theyre not completely different.

Some people say it's different, doesn't mean it is. Like I said, people are trying to change it, and I've noticed, even Googles definition changed, then changed back to something more ambitious.

At the end of the day, I think these people are just gay or lesbian, and thats OK. But promoting this nonsense is very confusing for a child. A child thinks it can be anything at a young age, they're so maluable. They're innocent and should be left alone.

[AdithyaR]

Like I said, exhausted from explaining things to people who aren't listening.
Believe what you want, I can't bother to care anymore.
Just let people be, that's all I'll ask.

[TooHot2Care]

@AdithyaR smart choice, friend. These idiots don’t wanna hear it.

[AdithyaR]

@TooHot2Care thank you bud 😁

[Sour-rose]

Becaaause you pissin' somebody off? Which is likely to start a fight? Listen, idgaf what you wear but people really get pissing themselves in anger and trembling of what your shirt says.

Your shirt. :)

[WanderingLoveWizard]

I reported everyone saying there are only 2 genders.
I really hope the mods do their due diligence and remove this oppressive hate speech. It's a threat to our Democracy and my personal safety.
I literally don't feel safe right now

[metalheadphysicist]

lmaoo, it's so sad that I had to take a moment to figure out you were joking... what has this society become

[WanderingLoveWizard]

Lol! It looks like you're not alone on that one. I know, it's sad 🤦‍♂️

[Kiss_Me]

I reported everyone that reported everyone saying there are only 2 genders.
I really hope the mods do their due diligence and remove this oppressive hate speech. It's a threat to our Democracy and my personal safety.
I literally don't feel safe right now.

[WanderingLoveWizard]

I reported you for reporting me and being a copy cat. Nana nana boo boo, stick your head in doo doo

[Avicenna]

It's not OK. The crux of the matter is that leftists are threatened by anything less than full obeisance to their propaganda. If they were not pushing utter falsehoods, they would not be so utterly insecure about dissent.

[strateguy632]

kuz no real free speech anymore. i resent the them for causing no protected speech opinions.

[DryGermanGuy]

If I read these quotes that kid is supposed to have said I can’t shake the impression that his parents put him up to this and he is simply regurgitating their beliefs. 🤔

[TheIrishWolf]

The parents have the right. The school doesn't have the right to provide his ideology, but that's not concerning, no?