
I'm neither democrat or republican.. i'm outside US but I would like to hear people's opinions on this

I'm neither democrat or republican.. i'm outside US but I would like to hear people's opinions on this
1. There is already required background checks to legally purchase a firearm in the USA.
2. There is a waiting period.
3. Gang vs gang and regular criminals vs each other now all count as "mass shootings." It is to purposely mislead the ignorant masses of people.
4. FAR more people die every year from car crashes, including purposeful use of cars as weapons than from guns.
5. More people die each year by blunt force trauma (being beaten to death) than by guns.
6. Defensive gun use that saves lives far exceeds gun deaths each year.
7. The majority of firearm deaths are suicide, not someone killing someone else.
You likely didn't know most or any of that because the liberal media and politicians constantly lie and try to take guns away from good people.
You didn't answer my question..
Do you think the process of getting a gun is too easy? Esspecially in states like Texas?
Well, owning isn't a process, but assuming you mean getting a gun, it varies pretty wildly by state. Up until recently, I lived in Illinois, the fourth most gun-hostile state in the Union- it's pretty tricky up there. Here in Florida, it's very easy. But in both places, there IS a background check requirement, and a three-day waiting period on top of that (those are FEDERAL law); it's not like they hand them out whenever you buy a Slurpee.
alright. do you prefer the process to be more like Florida or Illinois?
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Guns have gotten much more expensive since I first started buying them. The difficulty in obtaining them has stayed the same though. Maintenance on some of the newer ones can also be a little bit more tricky depending on how the drop safeties have been configured.
I had a ruger.22/45 that straight wouldn't reassemble after I cleaned it for the first time. It's seriously making me think of just making my own 1911 handguns on a lathe as it would be cheaper over time than buying older weapons like I have been and obtaining or making spare parts.
Another angle is supply and demand, the demand for weapons and ammunition has hugely increased since Obama was in office, and that has only gone up over time, rather than levelling out at any point.
I don't think it's too easy or difficult right now, though do believe that as time goes on obtaining illegal weapons will continue to be more and more easy.
When you make it more difficult to sell guns, it's more simple to sell them for cash and report them stolen, then you don't have to pay the taxes either, and can get some of the value refunded when filing your end of the year taxes if any of your income came from firearm sales.
A business around here was straight selling AKs and handguns to felons while charging more if they wanted full-auto conversion kits. They pinned it on one of their employees, he ratted on some other people, the whole thing went away with some fines.
You can't restrict guns in a country where guns outnumber people.
I'm neither Democrat nor Republican, but I think the second amendment is the law of the land and should apply to every state and locality.
That being said, I'm in favor of instant background checks (which we already have) to screen out criminals and non-citizens.
I also think that, while all semi-automatics should be legal, fully automatic weapons and explosive munitions should be regulated as they currently are. Those are NOT available to the general public.
The problem with gun control legislation is, the powerful Gun Control Lobby and Democrats disdain the second amendment. They tried challenging it in the Supreme Court but failed. So they continually try to whittle away at gun rights. Their goal is to disarm honest Americans, NOT to save lives. And they never stop. No amount of legislation will ever satisfy them until it is virtually impossible for honest Americans to be able to purchase firearms or ammunition. No amount of compromise will ever be sufficient.
The cities and states with the strongest "gun control" laws have the highest rates of gun violence. How do gun control advocates respond? We need more gun control laws. "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."
The FBI says that 80% of gun violence is gang related. Do gun laws prevent gangs from acquiring weapons or using them illegally?
When should I random person use a semi automatic gun? What case?
When should a random person use any kind of gun? Target shooting, hunting, self defense.
All a semiautomatic does is rechamber a new round automatically instead of you having to cock a bolt of a lever manually. But the gun still only fires one round per trigger pull.
The Gun Control Lobby has managed to give the impression that semiautomatic (auto loading) is full-automatic (machine gun). A machine gun begins firing bullets very rapidly (like 10 per sec) as soon as you depress the trigger, and doesn't stop until you either release the trigger or empty the magazine of ammo.
But again, one semiautomatic isn't more dangerous than another. They all work the same way.
One shot per trigger pull.
I've been pretty much entirely pro gun for most of my life but the way advocates are responding to mass shooting tells me they are not serious about solving the problem. Or, rather, they don't see mass shootings as the problem. Their problem is gun manufacturers' the bottom line isn't big enough. And mass shootings are great for sales so why would they do anything, at all, to stop them? An industry that sells both the disease and the cure is a scam. I really like my guns but for example if I really liked a nearby taco truck and then noticed they were pouring some drug that makes you want tacos into the city water supply, I'd stop going. It would be great if some gun advocates somewhere would make some noise about responsible legislation, but that's impossible. A lot of democrats are exactly that but every time they say it in the media, right wingers talk about pronouns to mute the conversation concerning what to do about murdered kids. And it works because of the right wing rage addiction.
Yeah I agree, mass shooting is a big problem. However I am not educated enough in the subject yet to be able to say what the core problem comes from. But I agree with everything you said. My dad is very democrat and he thinks anyone can get a gun however they like which isn't true ofcorse. But a lot of people on the left dont listen to the people on the other side... its sad.
There are a lot of easy ways to get guns if you know where to go. The real limiting factor is cost. Even a standard 9mm can cost you 300 dollars these days. But gun shows are completely unregulated and if you have cash you can buy anything you can see, unless the seller just doesn't like 6ou for some reason - but just wear a red hat and you'll eliminate that entirely.
As to the left not listening to the other side, context is important. With all the conspiracy theories and manufactured outrage dominating right wing media, who the right needs to listen to them is a therapist not a political oppojent. The mental health crisis in the US is a huge factor to gun violence, and fake right wing outrage is certianly a factor in the mental health crisis.
Yeah I agree. I wanna hear both sides. I do think mental health is a huge reason but I also think access to a gun is too easy and I think people with criminal records should be able to turn in their illegal Guns without any punishment so more people do it
OK, not an American but when I lived there this was the routine;
Stores that sell guns in the US must use a database called the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to comb through their customer’s records.
It scans three federal databases – the National Crime Information Center, the Interstate Identification Index and the NICS Index for a match.
If a purchaser has been convicted of a felony, or misdemeanour's with sentences exceeding two years, or has been declared “mentally defective” by a court, then he or she won’t pass the background check.
Customers are asked to fill in a form that asks them for their name, address, place of birth, race and citizenship. Although a social security number is recommended, providing one is listed as “optional”.
The form, which is issued by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, also asks questions such as:
Have you ever been convicted of a felony?
Have you ever been convicted of a misdemeanour crime of domestic violence?
Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any other depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?
Are you a fugitive from justice?
Have you ever been committed to a mental institution?
On completion of the form, the retailer will call the FBI, which will, in turn, run the necessary checks.
Those who demand a universal background check do not realise that it is already in use.
No. The problem is that the 'process' of raising a kid is too easy. A lot of idiots who shouldn't be raising kids are. And then we have schools controlled by more idiots who brainwash kids to think the world revolves around them. When I was a kid we knew the world did not revolve around us! The kinds of mass shootings we see commonly happening today were super, super rare. Also the justice system became softer. When you baby criminals or give breaks to 1st offenders it just encourages them to do more crime in most cases.
Yes I agree.. today we put the criminals needs first sadly
I do not live in USA. But I know the answer depends on state, some states are much easier than others then ones were it's very strict however been strict does not actually stop shootings the reason? If you have something legal and supplied right next door to you it don't matter if you make it illegal or less supplied as your neighbour is gonna let it in.
If each state was it's own separate island with different suppliers you would notice such restrictions would drastically reduce gun crime. So unless USA bans all guns and somehow deletes all that they have right now guns will always be easy and rampant in America and forever shootings will increase.
So yeah I do think it's too easy and it shall be forever by the looks of it as removing that mass amount would be hard, along with pro-gun mentality that Americans have.
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I'm not a Democrat or a Republican.
I think everyone, good guys and bad guys should own weapons.
I also believe it's none of the government business to know if you have a weapon or not.
If the weapon can be made, you should have the right to own without the government knowing you have it.
In most recent times. Look what happened in Germany when they forced gun control. Just think how things would have turned out if all them Jews had a gun.
America land of the free is a freaking joke. You don't think what happened in Germany will not happen here in the USA.
We're only a few years away from that happening
okay so the people with criminal records should be allowed to owe a gun? Should they be able to have a gun inside prison too?
When you get out you get them back
Yes Criminals should have the same rights of freedoms as a good guy.
well that will lead to a lot more dead people... if everyone in prison would be able to carry a gun most people wouldn't come out alive
That's what you think, more people owning guns and more people shooting back at other people.
That would keep the crime down.
I live in a area where everyone carries guns. From their banking to picking up their kids at school
Our biggest crime is illegal over night parking.
In 50 plus years no one was murdered with a gun
Here people will shoot back if you shoot at them. So people think hard before doing something stupid with a gun
Well that is a wild idea.. ever thought on making a mytake on it?
It's not a wild idea. I live here and seen it first hand
Same here. A lot of criminals have Guns here and a lot of them are shooting
Are you shooting back at them?
I am not a criminal so no
Well see that's the reason there are more bad guys. People in your area are not shooting back at the idiots
I am not American, nor do I know the exact process, but if you can show a driver's license and pick one up in 24 hours, then yes, it is way to easy.
There should be a screening process to know whether the person is not a career criminal and is fit to own a gun.
I agree! Think its insane how easy it is. Some europeans countries pay people to return their illegal Guns to the government and they get out free of charge some evan get paid.
I'm OK with gun ownership but I want to see training and regular testing the way we don with aircraft pilots. Guns kill a lot more people than aircraft do, so it makes sense that they be regulated at least as stringently.
Okay so anyone should be able to own a gun that's above 18 and American citizen?
Fuck that. You are only giving the government an excuse to seize your firearms and/or turn you into a criminal for "non-compliance".
@KrakenAttackin but if you have no criminal record then you could keep it. You think convicted criminals should owe guns? I mean they won't take it away for no reason
If they meet security requirements and go through a thorough training process to use it safely. (just like pilots). It will also make gun ownership MEAN something - a gun license will be something to be proud of like a pilot's license
@Pterodon No I don't get it. I have to go through training and testing for lots of risky things - driving a car, flying an airplane, operating certain types of hazardous industrial equipment. Why should guns be any different?
Besides, it seems to me that the "well regulated" before "militia" allows for regulations
I have the right to the pursuit of happiness, but no one believes that means I can do whatever I want.
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Here’s the form. Look at all the questions then they run it through the FBI
The government can make anyone a "criminal" Amy time they want. Read your history. "Show me the man and I will find the crime".
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "well regulated".
Freedom of movement is also a fundamental rightL The U. S. Supreme Court in Crandall v. Nevada, 73 U. S. 35 (1868) declared that freedom of movement is a fundamental right and therefore a state cannot inhibit people from leaving the state by taxing them
So I see no reason guns can't be regulated in ways similar to automobiles, aircraft, or other similar hazardous items.
Do you really want untrained people with guns? What is your objection to requiring training?
Any license can be rescinded at the whim of the government. Gun ownership is a RIGHT not a privilege. Your opinion doesn't mean shit.
@KrakenAttackin My option gives me one vote - same as you.
I am curios why its so important to you. It seems to me that the 4th amendment is regularly violated by police. The 5th (citizens imprisioned wihtout a trial), The 6th (trials are not speedy in the us by any stretch of the imagination, and most prisoners are coerced into accepting plea bargains). Freedom of speech also seems threatened.
Why are guns so imporrtant? (serious question - what makes that issue so important to people?)
I am not American and neither a republican or a democrat and I also don’t know too much about the gun laws so I’m not super educated. But I do feel like there has to be more regulation… I feel like the problem america has is a unique one
i agree and relate!
I recently went through the process. there were forms that needed to be filled out and I had to apply to the local cops to get a concealed carry license. A lot of people just buy it on the street and just go out and shoot up the place.
Yeah thats a big problem
Yes, it's way to easy. Especially for mentally labile individuals and career felons with 1 m thick police file
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i was responding to @freyared
Its easy, if you're not a criminal. But there still is quite a process involved with buying one. I actually have a MyTake in the works on that very subject if you're interested.
Yes Im intressetd!
Awesome! Its in the works yet but I have a part one on my profile. A lot of informtion to research lol. I tried to keep it as unbiased as I could.
Nice!! I will read it when its ready. You just let me know:)
I will do so! Ms Anonymous lol
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The MyTake has been posted.
There should be police registrations with ballistics, fingerprint IDs for gun handles (we do it with phones ffs), and a vibrant list of people like domestic abusers and probably terrorists who should be banned.
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I lean more to being a Libertarian and many states go out of their way to make it extremely difficult to purchase or to shoot a firearm. All of which is unconstitutional, but hasn't been challenged in most of those states. Mainly the costs involved.
Yea but one thing it guarantees is that this country won't fall without a fight
Alright
Oh yea that's for sure but it works perfectly got war as well, if they take this country over we will make a huge dent defending
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Yes. Guns should be harder to get but Republicans are focused on making it harder to vote and easier to kill people.
Alright
Yes. I could make a couple phone calls and be strapped. Illegally of course, but the point is that politicians lobby to make guns harder to obtain for protection while the streets are loaded!
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Of course
wowwww is that true?
Kinda. I don't want convicted sex offenders or domestic abusers to have a gun.
Intressting! Would you say you are democrat or republican?
alright
@msc545 a restraining order is permanent while a VPO isn’t. You can’t own or buy if you have a temporary VPO that’s in effect. A VPO is a form of restraining order. Those do show up on the background check by the FBI. If you really want to keep guns out of the hands of criminals then start turning in individuals that are drug users or that use medical marijuana
In case you didn't know, there are background checks for every single firearm purchase... duh!
but it gets easier and easier.. you dont think there should be a better process?
No. It doesn't get "easier and easier".
Yes i do. And its getting easier and easier while access to healthcare is getting harder and harder. Coincidentally
Nice! Are you republican or democrat?
Dem.
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@KrakenAttackin Yeah, i do. you sound ignorant for not
Depends on where you are. In places like Texas it is ridiculous.
okay so you think the process should be more difficult there?
yeah thats scary.. i would never step a foot in texas. not as long as its like that
Yeah I understand that. Where do you live?
The question really should be: How bothered are you by the govt knowing who you are and where you live? That will determine how you go about acquiring a gun and ammo.
Thats another question tho.. why dont you ask it?
I will certainly consider asking it some time in the future. But to answer yours, I don't think it's too easy
I’m a conservative gun owner and I think it’s about right the way it is
Okay how come?
Okay.. do you think everyone should be able to have a gun?
But can't i just lie?
It's easier to get that than a license right? To drive?
It's a pain for us honest people that buy for sport or personal protection.
The jerks that are going to build an arsenal for a mass killing are just not going to abide by the rules no matter what.
All I have to say is what country has by far The MOST guns in the world? USA.
The Defence rests, Your Honor!
No, it is just fine.
No matter what you do guns still fall into the hands that shouldn't have one.
It's all about the money.
Nope. It should be easier.
How come?
The Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States clearly states:
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”
To infringe is to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another. The first ten amendments to the Constitution of the United States are the United States Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights was derived from the Magna Carta who primary purpose was to document the liberties held by “free men” and thus set the foundation for individual rights in Anglo-American jurisprudence. As is clearly stated in the United States Declaration of Independence
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...”
Thus logically, liberty is an unalienable Right within the United States of America. In other words it is a right that is not transferable or capable of being taken away or nullified. The United States Bill of Rights sets the people’s liberty in stone and establishes limited government power. Thus for any government to try to make laws, rules, or mandates that encroach upon the people’s rights to keep and bear Arms, would be a direct violation of Constitutional law. It is criminal and treasonous at it’s very heart.
Clearly without that right, Americans are no longer “free men” as intended and there is a very good reason to believe that. America was built on the fundamental principles of the natural rights of man. Samuel Adams said among the natural rights of the colonists are theses, first life, second liberty, third property, together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. You have an individual right to secure your own life, your own liberty, your own property, because if you do not have that right, that unalienable right to secure yourself, your property which is necessary to life, your liberty which is necessary to property and life, if you do not have an individual unquestionable right to defend yourself, then you are a slave.
The communists will argue that it is necessary to restrict gun ownership for one excuse or another. Currently their narrative is mass shootings. When that doesn’t work, they will craft a new narrative that demands necessary steps to curtail freedom… As William Pitt the Younger so wisely put it
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves”
I’m not a slave. I do not plan to be a slave in my life time. Therefore, it is necessary that I retain my freedom. You may not personally want to take up arms to defend yourself, your property, or your liberty but you should still fight to maintain your right to do so, for if ever were to come a day when you felt the need to do so it will be there standing firm to save you from tyranny and slavery.
Yes, it's far too easy. Anyone just can buy a gun from a private seller as they are buying a bag of chips.
Background checks for sure
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are you republican or democrat?
okay cool
Nope.
how come?
Self-defense is an inherent right. Unless there is a specific reason why a specific individual should not own one, it should be an almost instant transaction to buy one.
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