What do you think that the claim that "gun laws only make it harder for law abiding citizens to get guns" has any merit?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I think it omits one major factor: criminal and law abiding citizen aren't permanent categories that people are born into. It doesn't make any more sense to talk about a "criminal" and "law abiding citizen" in this context than it does to talk about "rich" or "poor".

You know those heartwarming stories of people who have been in and out of jail but then turn their lives around and become a model citizen? Well guess what: it goes both ways and law abiding citizens can be corrupted and become criminals but because they wouldn't have had any prior arrest warrants, they wouldn't face any more obstacles obtaining a gun than anyone else.

I know so many of us like to think of law abiding citizens and criminals as fundamentally different kinds of people (which helps the average citizen "otherize" criminals so they can be apathetic about the inhumane conditions in prison, but that's another story) but the reality is that one can become the other.

[Snakeyes7]

"Law abiding citizens" refer to those who would rather stay out of trouble from the government and just do what they say to avoid any trouble, like we do with taxes.

"Criminals" refer to people who don't care about the law (bit of a giveaway since we all know what a criminal is). They will have a gun no matter what the government tells them and will likely use it to commit more crimes because, being criminals, they don't care about the law. The maw abiding citizens will have no choice but to be victims of these criminals because they will have no effective means of fighting back because the law forbids firearms.

Stop making this a social status thing. It is not a class issue but how willing a citizen is to let the government (or criminals) fuck them in the ass, figuratively or quite possibly literally.

[Avicenna]

Ah, yes, leftists are such misanthropes that they think everyone is a criminal and needs totalitarian rule.

Imagine how much criminals would love it if they could be sure no one had a firearm with which to defend themselves.

[DizzyDesii]

Im sure folks would stock up on guns before the law even dropped. And if they didn't, the “law abiding ones” can go to the same place they claim the criminals will go to buy the guns under the table 🙄 I think there should be stricter gun laws but i dont think that consists of homes being raided and weapons being removed. Its probably more towards future purchases of the most dangerous guns. Who knows

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

i would support a law that says that if someone purchases a gun they have to take it to the firearm registry once a year to show that you didn't illegally sell it to someone.

[jshm2]

To be fair, "guns" are little to do with anything. What gun laws hide is the crime and inequality that forces people to use such extreme weapons.

As for "law abiding citizens" 9/10 the people aren't.

[goaded]

You should have to have a good reason, and simple unlawful possession of a firearm should carry harsh penalties. "I'm scared of all the other people with guns" isn't a good reason.

[gorydetails]

How many bong hits did it take for this to sound insightful to you?

[gothbxtch]

no. no one should have access to guns.

[alice55]

I'm mean isn't it the point?