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yeah it's called the pickup artist/dating coach industry that's already being investigated for fraud and scam. pickup artists and dating coaches promising their students they can look hideous and still be guaranteed Instagram or Victoria Secret models via the superpower of his mouth
fact of the matter is, no amount of social skills and personality is going help a guy talk his way into a woman's pussy when his looks are horrid, his finances are depleted and his status is non-existent.
even if by some miracle he does the impossible, no one thinks he did because of his personality and social skills
take this couple for example. what were the first thoughts people had when seeing this? did anyone consider the possibility he had great personality and great social skills? nah they accused him of grooming her or accused her of being a gold-digger. people saw this pairing as disgusting but why? isn't personality the most important?
3 seconds is all is needed for someone to know if they want to fuck a particular someone or not. the Halo Effect/Devil Effect simply can not be override without a heavy price of money involved. platonic friends often share the same personality so why don't platonic friends fuck more often if personality is most important?
so should there exist such a course? sure, why not bleed out the bank accounts of gullible dudes who weren't going to win anyway due to factors outside of his control, at best maybe he gets a discarded woman whom 50+ other dudes who banged her already didn't want to commit to
Yes , there most definitely should be, like okay let's remember women are also human & deserve respect as much as guys. So for example one of the lessons should be - teaching guys to respectfully go up to a woman & start a conversation with her not catcall her when she's minding her own business or going somewhere. So really if you want to have a normal & decent conversation with women you be the first to start say something about her - but it should be respectful
Guys should pay for it, and girls should get paid. Nobody should need to work for free.
What we do offer is friendships for free. But many guys only want to talk to girls to sext, or get advice about how to sext and get sex or a girlfriend. And that gets old and very, very repetitive.
"But many guys only want to talk to girls to sext"
You mean there's something else to talk to girls about? 😮
Imagine being this entitled 😂😂😂
@Steelcore5280 You're directing that at me? Or the Asker?
@AmandaYVR very clearly I'm directing my reply at you. Otherwise, I wouldn't have written my comment as a reply to your post.
I never ask for things or demand things, particularly not compliments or appreciation. That's not who I am.
I tried to give you some constructive feedback sometimes, but I'm very sensitive and I don't want to hurt anyone. You're 28, Unit, you should know by now that asking someone who you talk to regularly how they are, and giving them feedback once in a while, telling them that they matter to you, giving thanks, are all basic aspects of communication. I eventually told you that you don't seem to be interested in other people. I have felt that for years.
Women have something similar so I don’t think why not. I mean I’d need more help to find a guy. Lol I’ve find a guy but we are both too shy.
EVERY 'first contact'... male or female is an 'unknown' and there exists the risk of rejection... tactful or less so.
"How would YOU respond to a candid and forthright: "Hi, I find I'm very physically attracted to you and would like to have you consider me for physical intimacies; ... Yah wanna?"
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I'd say no, just cause it wouldn't work out well
If it was women telling men it would all be lies, well more like they describe it in riddles anyways, we've all seen how many words and actions don't match up.
Go look at reddits r/tinder, the best pickup lines are basiclly sexual harrasment. I remember one that was " not sure if I should respect the fuck out of you, or fuck the respect out of you" just 5 lines later she's inviting him over. But on the other hand if you go slow avoid anything that blunt, she thinks you a shy guy with no confidence and losses interest.
Men telling men how to talk to women dosent work well either, 9 times out of 10 it's some insecure buthurt dude who drank to much of the redpill cool-aid.
And whether it's a man or woman SELLING advice, the problem comes down to they are just using lonely desperate men as a paycheck, they take advantage of other peoples poor understanding of social situations to make a buck.
There is no 1 'right way" to talk to all women cause they are all different. Sit and really think about your priorities and what ypu want from a girl before you look for 1 and then look for 1 that has the traits you really care about.
I was raised to call men sir and woman ma'am, but somehow that's offensive these days cause makes women feel old, just goes to show you can do the right thing and still be wrong.
Stop worrying about if how you act will impress her, the right girl will like you when you act like yourself.
If you act like someone you aren't, thar makes you a player fuckboy, sure you might get girls in bed but you will never have a real relationship, nothing worth having comes easy.
Best advice is get a hobby, and talk to someone you meet while doing that hobby, you guys will have at least one thing in common that way.
There's no wrong approach, you're just approaching the wrong girl. A gold digger/hoe will never be a good housewife, and a good house wife or devout religious girl is probably never gonna be the sexually inpowered femdom to make you life out every fantasy you've had.
First impressions mean a lot, pay attention to them.
When growing up if you would have paid attention to your parents they were supposed to teach you by the way that they talk to each other if they didn't the day that you moved out you were probably freaking out no there should not be a manual what there should be is for you to sit down and think about it and say how do I want to be treated because it's the same way you treat a woman you don't lie you don't cheat you don't try to impress you just be yourself and communicate about anything everything if you lie or you cheat that means that you're not being yourself that means you're trying to be somebody else and that's never going to work that means you don't like yourself so now you have to work on something else how do you like yourself you have a choice in life you get to choose who you want to be in life by the things that you say and the things that you do who do you want to be in life I would say be yourself I would say sit down and think about it do you know what love is you know how to love somebody do you love yourself there's many questions you have to answer before you can do any of it so I would take the time out sit down and write it down on paper and talk to yourself whatever is the best way for you but you got this I mean you want to do it so do it and do it right and whatever you do if you're around your friends or whatever say what's in your heart don't worry about what you're going to say or they're going to do because they're just as f***** up as you are you be the leader not to follow her don't try to impress anybody just be yourself
Ok so we already established that dating coaches already exist, but why are girls supposed to volunteer? Like, if you want to flirt, go flirt. And if you're too scared... (and I mean this in the kindest way possible) maybe go to therapy? If you're too scared to speak to half the human population, there's probably something to be investigated. Maybe you strongly fear rejection or have some unhealthy mindset that's limiting your understanding of how to have successful and healthy interaction with the opposite sex.
Also, I'm assuming by "talk to women" you mean flirt, but I would say that a good starting point for "talking to women" would be talking to women (as in, not flirting). If you're constantly sexualizing/objectifying/etc the person you're supposed to be talking to, you're probably going to have a really difficult time making a decent connection and the other person is probably going to be pretty uncomfortable. It's not like women are completely oblivious when a guy approachers her because he finds her attractive (I say as someone who does tend to be oblivious lol). You don't need volunteers and training, you need to get help, get out there, or get out of your head.
No their shouldn’t.
Let me give a little harsh advice about talking to women.
1st unless you want to go out with them they ain’t special. Your not talking to a goddess of wealth and fortune your just talking to another person. It’s good practice to be a little more up beat around them but that’s it.
2nd they ain’t special so unless it looks like something REALLY bad has happened their problems are not your problems. Unless you understand how to approach them just ignore them unless they come to you.
3rd they ain’t special so if one of them approaches you feel free to talk them naturally. Maybe avoid obvious “guy stuff” because they won’t care about that.
4th they ain’t special but they are mind readers. The biggest secret to talking to them is not where you look, what you wear, what you say or even how you say it. The biggest and most important obstacle is in your own mind.
I if you think about titties, they’ll pick up on it and if you think about smashing their head into a wall They will probably pick up on that too.
So it’s good practice to just not think about perverted or violent stuff around them.
I’ve got other info, of course, but I am not gonna share it.
But yeah, the important thing to remember is that they are not special.
For the most part, if you think of them as less emotionally stable man with mind reading powers, you should be fine.
That’s a really sad idea honestly! It’s really not that hard. If men are having a difficult time communicating with women, perhaps society needs to take a step backward and learn some basic communication skills! We could start by getting rid of texting as the go-to form of communication and start learning how to communicate by voice and bodily expression again.
And for men, it really isn’t that difficult to address a woman. It just takes some basic common respect and listening skills. Are there some nasty women who are not kind to men? Yes indeed there are! Just like there are nasty men who treat women like a doormat! But if a person truly wants to communicate with the opposite, all they have to do is just be a decent person, have some manners, be willing to listen, and maybe expand vocabulary beyond the texting slang of U instead of you, etc!
You can get something going here with just that. Introduce your name. “Hi, I’m so-and-so. I’m creating a course for guys (not like me) to learn how to talk to women better. I was just wondering if you were interested in volunteering.”
Bro even if this is not a real thing that you’re actually going to start. What you will do is spark, a very interesting conversation with a real insight and her own real perspective on this matter.
Dude, what you got is gold. I really think you should ask this question even if you know you’re not going to start a course anyway, you can pretend that you are starting this course and you’re not lying. She could be the first candidate for this course and for all you both know, maybe the two of you might like each other
Making it a course just dehumanizes the act of socialization. Rather than having 'courses' and 'lessons', having more public spaces for free-to-join-in group activites should be encouraged. A lot of guys struggle to talk or socialize (both with women and in general) because modern life makes it hard to meet new people. Especially once you're out of school and working a job.
Community board game nights, frisbee games, beach parties, neighborhood BBQs, Party Nights at the Theatre. Those kinds of things would be infinitely more helpful to the social and mental health of men than classes.
There already is a school for that, and you are already a student. The volunteer girls are all around you. Get in some practice and actually talk to them. With practice, you will get better.
Here are a few things to consider:
Girls are just fellow humans. Absolutely beautiful... not so much... Who cares. Treat all females the same and watch how confident and easy-going the conservation flows.
Don't be that creeper and hang out for a long time. There is power in leaving. Once again, it displays confidence and that your time is valuable.
There are other things to practice, but this will help you get started, or at least give you things to consider.
Enjoy, and good luck.
Yes I think it´s necessary because it seems like some guys have no clue that talking about sex right away is not the way to get a woman. I think it´s necessary though to not making it a dating course and try to avoid some sensitive topics at first. It could also be helpful since the knowledge of what a man is and how he should act seems to get lost in modern society.
There are many podcasts around like for instance Fresh&fit or whatever that might have the goal to bring men and women together but fail to do such in a suitable way and rather create drama and helpful advices.
Yes, that's a good idea. Most people can benefit from learning conversation skills.
It reminds me of an old computer game from the 1980s. You had to pick special skills for your pirate character in the game. Most picked "skill at fencing" which had obvious benefits, but in fact your character would eventually reach mastery at fencing either way. What you really had to pick was "pleasant conversation". Only this allowed you to marry the governor's daughter and make a huge step towards winning the game.
Also, people who like computer games may especially need the course.
If all those people were so good at fencing, who "supplied" the goods for them to fence in the first place?
The game was based on the colonial economy of the Caribbean in the 18th century. However, you could not have a different job apart from pirate. You could become governor, though.
Gonna have to say no to that. Why should men need lessons on how to talk to women? What is the format there? 'This is how you should and should not converse with women?' That becomes a dictation then, a slippery slope to dicatorship and that would end badly, specifically with anger, resentment and a further divide between the sexes. Will there be a reciprocal course on helping women talk with men too? I may very well have missed the motivation behind the question but it seems like you want to instruxt men on proper behaviour around women with a lacknof accountability for the way women act around men. If I had to make a suggestion, I would say a discourse would reap much better results. If you held a meeting where both sexes could talk, put across their point of view in a well debate, understandings could be attained and people would actually begin to unserarand each other.
No. 1. That insinuates that the women of every culture are the same, and we know that's not the case. 2. That still doesn't do anything about the whordes of women in the U. S. who've chosen to keep welfare offices doing brisk business by willfully choosing deadbeats, drug dealers and bum baby daddies. As potential mates, I've seen so many females in Middle America practically trip over their boobs running so fast to get to those exact type of guys repeatedly, I'm beginning to think those guys are rap stars.🤔
There are so many men scared of female contact that is very sad... at the end the one who usually has to be proactivo and then the one who tends to be rejected are men... Its easy to say that since in our society women are the ones who usually have to be staying still until a guy comes...
This is not sexist, this is our society and the men are the ones who have to deal mostly with rejection...
But it would be fine to make a course to make men respect themselves, not to make men learn how to talk to women. The simps without dignity are the ones who make other men deal with this situation of social disadvantage...
Girls do wrong? No, but its clear how our society works.
Okay, welcome to talking to women 101:
Step 1: approach target female
Step 2: talk about literally anything on your mind
Step 3: keep talking
Congrats, you did great.
There's no secret to it. Most women I interact with are as socially inept as men anyways, so stop stressing.
That'll be $500, thanks.
There is a lot of men that need help with dating or they think they are doing a good job but they don't even do normal dating. The ones I used to attract, only wanted either sex or for me to pay for things. Ladies also need help with dating also because some families don't tell us about real men but fantasy men. Then we get with a guy that isn't perfect and they judge us as well as the guy I picked. It goes both ways; we all need help with dating and learning what the real things to expect.
I feel like a morals, ethics, and emotional intelligence class would be better for that.
Girls just want a man to be an adult and be confident and protective in a mature manner.
They also want to feel like a man is present with her. So talking to a girl won't really make you a ready, available, and eligible man.
Just watch some manosphere content, some red pill stuff, and then dash some black pill on that... you'll know more about women than you ever wanted to know. Don't want to appear sexist? just watch Pearly things and that Courtney Ryan chick. They'll give you the same business, but it will be coming straight from a female.
I think we should all make an effort to improve our interaction with others, but I also agree with your position that men, in general need to develop better personal skills to more accurately articulate their thoughts to the women they're pursuing.
Women aren't going to volunteer for something like that unless they're helping a guy they already know. You'll have to pay them, and even then most won't want to do it.
I don't think you can teach guys to talk to women- they largely have to figure it out for themselves. A lot of of it is improvisational. Now, what can be taught is understanding body language and some things about women in general and helping guys become the person they want to be.
I believe something similar if not this exact thing exists already. I doubt if men who actually need to attend the course would be capable of using the techniques in RL anyway. A lame ass script for picking up girls will only get you so far. As soon as they realize that you're a socially awkward Incel with zero personality you are getting dumped anyway. Don't ask me how I know.
What the fuck was that video?
We men are always stepping in it and creating hell for ourselves because we have no idea what we did or what we talked about. Women need to be a little bit not too touchy feely and accept what we say. That's wrong with this country or afraid we're going to hurt somebody's feelings. How many times have my feelings been hurt. Maybe that's why I was sour old man. Cuz women's hurt my feelings too many times. Maybe there ought to be a class for both sexes on how to communicate.
By the way their is. One successful dating coach name Marni the personal wing girl 😊
That would be fun. Would be beneficial for people who have recovered from social problems (e. g., social anxiety) and who are ready to take the next step.
But would have to be disguised as something less embarassing for them
there's already a course, and the teachers are called fathers.
Makes sense as in order to become a father a man had to successfully talk to at least one woman.
And it never occurred to you that you are the problem rather than your dads advice. Smart women can smell when "nice guys" like you are only doing it to try to get in their pants. Being a jackass might get you dumb hoes, but you will never be in a meaningful and permanent relationship with someone you respect.
Bingo!
"nice guys" like me.
So me trying to be helpful because i was asked to help, is me being fake Nice?
So i shouldn't help? Should i demand to get payed so i dont come across as "nice"? Or just not help and let her deal with her problem herself?
Also... If i help, im just doing it to hopefully get fucked?
But if im a jackass, i will get fucked but it won't be a serious lasting relationship?
I literally can't win.
Its also funny that you imediatelly jump to the "nice guy".
You're right, you literally cannot win because you don't have the qualities to win. If you were being helpful because you were competent and reliable, then you wouldn't have stopped when you saw it wasn't getting you laid. But you did stop, because you a pretentious garbage. And everyone knows it, which is exactly why nobody wants you.
Maybe i stopped because i felt like i was being taken advantage of. Maybe i stopped when i noticed that women only talk to me when they need me to do them a favor.
I didn't do it to get laid. I did it because i was told that its how you get a relationship.
Again, you're calling me names because i did what i was told to do to achieve a relationship and stopped when i felt used and discarded when not needed.
"I did it because i was told that its how you get a relationship."
Unless you were intending to wait until marriage to have sex, you are very literally admitting that what I said is true. Good people are helpful because they are good people, pretentious coomers are helpful because of what they hope they can get out of it themselves. Thanks for proving my point.
I intended to wait for it to happen on its own. Im not a marrige type of guy because i find it absurd that i have to sign a legal document.
And if i was to get married, i'd want it done the old way because we have a special tradition here.
As for me proving your point.
It would be true if i demanded anything for it. I didn't.
I hoped me being nice and helpful and all that would be enough to "prove my worth" so to speak.
It's not hard. Share names, talk about something related to her like her clothes, interests, hobbies. Make her talk with jokes or interesting questions. Share only a bit about yourself. Ask for her number/socials. She either says yes or no. If she says yes then call her sometimes and take it up from there.
Father figures need to do their job more instead of raising incels.
I have thought there should be and there are but it's just a waste of money and effort to take them. Usually it's either a man who knows nothing but preys on other mens insecurity or a woman who trying to mold her students after what she herself would like men to communicate.
Most men I know, know exactly how to talk to women! Exactly who is this for?
I bought my son up right, and he too doesn’t need to be told how to speak to women.
I don't think it's a good idea, just because girls aren't going to react the same way a normal girl would. They're being paid to be there and talk to you, whereas a normal girl will cut the conversation quickly if there's any awkwardness.
Yes, there should also be a course for women on how to be interesting and engaging. And now how to help keep a conversation going. It’s not all on the man, women are horrible at conversation. Which is why women can mask behind not having to approach or talk to a man.
If that's the case then it should be expanded. Teach men how to talk to young women and older women how to talk to men. Teach the weaker sex interms of sexual mean value (SMV) how to talk to members of higher SMV.
It's my personal experience that i was shy in talking with girls, it take very long time me to start talking with girls, because I didn't understand at that time how to speak girls and it take long time to understand it.
May be there are many people have same problem.
So i feel there should be a course for it for boys and girls to teach how to talk with each other
I know for me personally, I’m always worried that I’m gonna say something stupid, or say the wrong thing, and embarrass myself or offend the other person
they jus need to say it to themselves before saying it to her. is it nice to say, is it offensive, would i want to hear it? if it doesn't pass dont say it.
I think we need stuffs like this. Especially about Knighthood and Chivalry. Sex isn't bad. Wanting to fuck is no crime but having to lie, hurt others, use people like toys just to get a six lettered word pleasure is WRONG.
Public school should teach a lot of things but it does an awful job at teaching basics
Theater class helped me most talking with a random oerson
No lmao
The only course that people need is the one life gives you on your own. Anyone can learn anything through experience - success and failure.
No because I don't want every guy who chats to me sounding like he's regurgitating a manual.
As long as it is on a voluntary basis and not coerced. This sort of thing exists already. There are conversation skills meetups and Toastmasters, etc.
Ridiculous. Saying hello is talking to a woman.
It's not that hard to say hello to a woman.
If the chemistry is there the conversation will naturally happen.
If you like a girl, just go talk to her. There is nothing you need to worry, you just need to move the first step
There are a literal plethora of these courses , how much benefit do they provide?
a lot , so as not too many sign up.
Should there be a course for women on how to talk to men; to understand how we think and what we value? Too many of us don't even know and that complicates relationships.
No if someone needs to take a class to be able to talk to you, something is wrong with you. Not the guys.
I’m so glad I met my wife young. She taught me how to talk to her, her signals, what she likes and what she doesn’t like. 18 years later, we have two kids and I still turn her on. Grateful for her teaching me.
IN the end its how you were raised , so be a nice, normal, respectable and respect woman men and others no matter where you are or who your with. just be a good person and respect others around you.
I think this a great idea which could be extended to guided dating. A chaperone who intervenes instructively on the date.
There are A LOT of men -and- women that already make thousands of dollars a year teaching men how to talk to women.
Humans are 8 billion now. I think men knows what to do without a course. Its innate and wired. If a guy dont know how to do it. Then there is a reason for him to stay out of the gene pool
It will be pointless because guys talk and girls end up doing what r inside their heads 😄
You know there was a time when men didn't need to talk to women we just hit them on the head than grab their hair and dragged them back to the cave and the women's opinion didn't matter awh the good old days lol lol
A course? Why didn't your dad teach you the basics, or an uncle or whoever your mom was fucking around with?
Most people do. If you think a course for that will help, I've got news for you.
Social interaction can't be learned from a course.
There SHOULD be a class to teach girls how to pick out GOOD guys instead of the assholes they ALWAYS choose to date!!
I agree with @LazerBean
if more fathers did their job the world would be a better place.
There are, most are just run by scammers trying to rip off lonely awkward men though
It is not such a bad idea. I had some female friends in college and they really helped me get over my fear of talking to girls.
No there shouldn't be a course for that. Respect and being polite should be taught at home. That's how you talk to women. Just be polite and respectful.
According to my great aunt, men know how to talk to girls before there was the Internet
Maybe if they lack basic socials skills. Id say the course should have an emphasis on how men act towards women on the internet and via text.
They need to go back to kindergarten.
Be polite. Say please, thank you. Be helpful, open a door. Take turns- even when talking.
No. Just no. That’s ridiculous.
Whew our society is seriously lacking strong fathers and good parents ffs
99% of the time it’s better to have both parents than not
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