Should liberals be given handicap points in debates since conservatives are much better informed about the facts and events?

[RingOfFire]

New study finds viewers of conservative networks are more informed - Washington Times

"New research finds that right-leaning cable news channels do a more effective job delivering the news itself than their left-leaning rivals.

A comprehensive new poll from the conservative Media Research Center finds that U. S. voters who rely on CNN and MSNBC are “significantly less informed” about important issues which have surfaced since President Biden took office.

Those issues include the rise of gas prices and inflation as well as persistent problems with illegal immigration — which the study referred to as “Biden’s border disaster.”

How much the poll respondents knew about such issues depended on what cable news channel they watched, the study found.

“A majority of voters (54%) recalled hearing that there had been an average of 2.3 million illegal border crossings each year since Biden took office, a record. But a far higher percentage of Fox News and Newsmax viewers (77%) remembered this news story vs. just 38 percent of CNN and MSNBC viewers,” the study said.

“On every issue we examined, a majority of those who reported mainly watching Fox News or Newsmax said they recalled hearing about the various news stories we polled, while never more than 50 percent of those who watched CNN and MSNBC had the same information. Depending on the issue, the gap between the two groups averaged 23.5%, a huge deficit in the factual information of viewers of liberal cable news,” the research noted."

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Then again who are we kidding here. We know that liberals don't engage in actual "debate." Their focus is on SHUTTING DOWN debate through censorship of any views that conflict with theirs, through deception and distraction, though personal attack and smearing and through acts of violence and riot. They know that they cannot win debates in the court of public opinion through honest debate because their ideas are not popular. So they need to resort to these tactics to FORCE them on people.

[Alli39]

And now I know better than to ever bother looking in the politics section again lol. I can't believe people actually think like this 😩

But on the off chance that you wanted a real response rather than an echo chamber, I clearly disagree. In my experience, liberal viewpoints tend to be rooted in empathy for human experiences rather than in numbers. So a conservative may know how many illegal border crossings there were, but a liberal is more likely to know stories about individuals who crossed and what sort of experiences they faced here and in their home countries. It's just a different kind of knowledge, intelligence, and argument.

If that's still confusing then consider this: Who knows better how to bake a loaf of bread having never do so before, a person who spent 100 hours reading recipes and instructions on how to bake, or a person who spent 100 hours learning from a baker how to bake? This is similar. A different type of knowledge is not an invalid type of knowledge.

Finally, in response to the bias argument below I offer the first few bias evaluations online I found for the original source. (I picked up several so that no one would claim that the evaluation was biased. 😭)



In summary: the source openly and objectively has a strong right-wing bias, which does inherently present a potential lack of credibility in reporting on this particular topic.

And just to be clear, insuring an unbiased, reliable source is vital in presenting a valid, unbiased argument. But really, arguing to handicap your political opponent looks pretty bad regardless of what you use to support it lol. What exactly would have achieve in terms of promoting democracy, freedom of speech, and accurate representation of the will of the people? If you aren't winning without a handicap on the opposition... you aren't winning.

[msmissydc]

Source: 'the conservative media research center' 😂😂😂😂 yes that totally speaks for the neutrality of the news.

[RingOfFire]

Can the left ever debate the facts instead of merely attacking the source? Does everything they say ALWAYS have to be about deception and personal attack rather than facts and reason?

What facts do you dispute and what is your source for them?

[msmissydc]

I haven't researched into that yet so I would need time. But you can't name a much more blatantly biased source. Also naming a viable source is one of the most ground based things you need in a debate. Questioning the source is a factual thing though. If you think that is an attack on you though you feel quite attached to the source though.

[RingOfFire]

You are making it up as you go and trying to make it personal instead of fact and reason based. You have still stated absolutely nothing of substance. Your rebuttal gets an "F-"

[msmissydc]

What I did was claiming your source is not viable which bassically puts you on the same spot unless you argue how the source is not totally biased.

[RingOfFire]

Baloney. You provide no case to show the source and the facts they used in the study are not accurate. This is my last comment since you are just making it up as you go and your case is made up out of thin air, devoid of any facts and is a waste of time.

[Astarlessnightsky]

The study only measured how well the people could remember certain topics.

That could be cause by several factors, eg it could mean "liberal media" cover a lot more topics, while "conservative media" just covers the same handfull of topics over and over again.

Also, at least the Washington post news article, doesn't explain the exact method.

So there could be a bias in the question, towards topics, which are much more important to both republican politicians and republican voters.

And just because people can remember certain topics more, doesn't mean the actual news are more factual correct.

[RingOfFire]

"it could mean "liberal media" cover a lot more topics, while "conservative media" just covers the same handfull of topics over and over again."

Having watched both extensively I think you can summarily rule this possibility out. It is clearly just the opposite.

But your theory that it is possible that liberals just have a shorter memory is potentially credible. They clearly have no knowledge of history so that is a good data point for that one.

[exitseven]

I hope we did not pay too much for that study. It has been apparent for years. However I do not place all the blame on the clueless liberals. The fake new media has fed them a steady diet of liberal talking points and hysterical hatred of President Trump.
My wife sees a lot of elderly people who do not have cable. Many of them have no idea about the border crisis, Biden's Chinese bribes, the laptop from hell or Biden's failure to shoot down a Chinese spy balloon.

[RingOfFire]

It's terrifying. They learned that if you control the language, and you control peoples' access to information, and you repeat lies over and over and over again and censor the truth, even smart and well meaning people can be fooled. It happened with Stalin, it happened with Hitler, it happend with Mao, it happend with Castro, it happen with Kim Il Sung, it happed with Khomeini and now, thanks to corrupt Democrats and their ignorant supporters it is happening here.

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[Bricealan]

Probably with the current Admin. probably not ENOUGH handicap points to make up the difference. Have you listened to Harris try to explain something? God help us if Biden were to die or get worse than he already is.

[RingOfFire]

"probably not ENOUGH handicap points to make up the difference."

How true! 😂😂😂

[nolabels]

In a "woke" world, that'd seem to be what would happen, but this is the real world.

No.

[Drewtate]

We did see this during covid especially where no questioning or free thought was permitted on the likes of CNN sponsored by Pfizer of course.

[Anonymous]

If the 'Liberals' haven't the brain power to keep up with being asked questions in debates then that's their problem there no need for a handicap system.

[Anonymous]

Liberals... debating people?

When was the last time that happened?

[OddBeMe]

Wait…I can answer…just have to stop laughing.
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Almost there
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Uh…which candidate (chuckle) would you say has been the best debater in recent years….(more chuckles)

[Anonymous]

No the moderator just shouldn't be a corporate and party shill but we can't even manage that.

We even almost had Joe Rogan (a bernie supporter) be a moderator but no we had to have Chris Wallace be the moderator instead.

[Anonymous]

😂😂😂

https://www.youtube.com/embed/t-lMIGV-dUIhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/8KFQx-mc2Ao

[msc545]

Conservatives are much better informed regarding conspiracy theories and health lies since they make them all up.

[reds-noro]

Oh no, people still watch cable?

[gothbxtch]

lmao