Did you read that Florida just passed a law not recognizing drivers licenses issued to illegal aliens?

[exitseven]

If an illegal alien gets stopped driving in Florida even if he/she has a drivers license issued in another state he/she will be charged with operating without a license.

Yes, this question was inspired by @msc545

[Lliam]

How can someone who sneaked across the border, has no visa and is, therefore, here "illegally" get a U. S. driver's license?

If someone hopped off of a freighter in any civilized country, and sneaked in without any visa or legal status, would that country give them a driver's license.

I mean, they don't even have refugee status, they just sneak into the country.

Democrats and certain libs shriek racism over everything, but is it racism? Are they assuming that everyone who crosses into this country from Mexico looks like a brown-skinned Indio or mestizo?

And do these people believe in opening the borders and treating everyone who enters as a U. S. citizen?

I don't know, but based on these questions, the Florida law doesn't sound unreasonable. And it doesn't mean necessarily mean that they are targeting people to pull over. It could simply mean that they they do pull someone over for good reason and check their driver's license, they can run it to see of the person is here illegally.

[ShadezMcgee]

If that is true, then that is an extreme law. Even if they are just passing through or visiting and they get pulled over and have a driver's license that wasn't issued in Florida, they get a ticket? This also raises the question how they determine if these individuals are illegal.

Are immigrants required to drive with their proof of visa/citizenship from here on out then?

I get the idea ofthis potentially being able to catch illegals here to be sent back via deportation, but this seems more like a headache.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@ShadezMcgee

Legal Permanent Resident are already required to carry their green card at all times. Section 264(e) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

Alien number (A-Number) and/or state DL can be checked for citizenship status with DHS databases available to law enforcement agencies

[monorprise]

@ShadezMcgee
Technically if your a visa holder you are required to travel with your documents in this country, as @BoopBoopBeep pointed out. The Alien is told this, As for how the state knows they are an illegal alien, the State can't know unless they run the ID with the U. S. Goverment, which frankly they could and perhaps should do.

State Law enforcement makes up 90% of all law enforcement resources in this country and an even higher % of the LEO's actually on the ground, if they are not involved in enforcing immigration law we don't have much of an immigration law.

[sage2021]

It makes perfect sense to me. They should not have been given a license to drive when they don't study for the test. They don't know our rules! They are just given a license and what insurance as well?
Somehow I think they will get away with it. They'll keep driving and keep causing accidents because they don't even know what our street lights mean. Like YIELD. Where I live they don't yield!
On the other hand you can't invite illegals into your state as Governor and then cut off their mode of transportation AFTER they're allowed to be in that State. Were the illegals told they won't be able to drive after they enter Florida. That should have been made clear upfront if it wasn't.

So driver's license or not they can't drif in Florida period?

[monorprise]

@sage2021 If you have ever lived in a border state like Texas you will experience or hear stories of theses people driving around all the time without license or insurance and the city cops just letting them go.
As a result everyone's insurance rates go up higher because your insurance is the only insurance that will pay. I've heard stories from people I know who actually had the illegal alien ask them to pay for his own car when he caused the accident.

[exitseven]

@monorprise I live about as far away from the border as you can get. We are a sanctuary state and and there are frequent accidents when an illegal alien is driving unregistered and uninsured. If he plows into you the judge just tells you that you cannot get blood from a stone. A 28 year old mother of 3 was killed by one a couple of miles from where I work. The guy drove away leaving the woman to die. It took the cops a few days to track him down. He said that he drove away because he was drunk and was afraid he would be arrested.

[katiesmuff]

I live here and it makes good sense to me and my friends. I think the illegals should be on a plane heading back from where they came.

[msc545]

As soon as the time machine becomes available you will be transported back to the 1930s to Nazi, Germany where you will fit right in. You don't fit in to modern society at all. You will find Nazi Germany to be only slightly more comfortable than Florida.

[Jersey2]

@msc545 Nonsense. People have a right to govern themselves just like those on Martha’s Vineyard did when they shipped out the illegals that landed there.

[msc545]

I see. However, just because you live in a particular state does not mean that you have a right to violate the constitution or more specifically provisions of the Bill of Rights.

[Jersey2]

@msc545 Lol. You really are showing your level of intelligence now. Hysterical in so many ways. I can’t even begin… so I’ll just leave this thread now.

[exitseven]

@msc545 where in the Constitution does it say we have to give criminals free stuff? Driving is a privolilidge not a right. Didn't you learn that in drivers ed?

[msc545]

@Jersey2 As in you have nothing of value to say. Stupid and bigoted in so many ways.

[msc545]

@exitseven what free stuff?

[exitseven]

@msc545 Free healthcare, free housing , free meals , free education, free iPad,. In the moonbat state that I live the governor requested 324 million dollars from the legislature to use to pay for illegal aliens to live here. That will probably last a month and she will have to get more. Mayor Adams said that NYC is spending 6 million dollars a day to support the freeloaders. Do the math, that is over 2 billion dollars.

[msc545]

I don't know where the hell you live but where I live here in Los Angeles nobody is getting anything for free.

[exitseven]

@msc545 Get your head out of the sand. Ask a few cops , they will tell you when they arrest some of them they have several EBT cards with different names. They are staying in hotels. Who do you think is paying for it? Go to the emergency room at your local hospital and see if anyone besides you is speaking English? Do you think they are paying cash to get medical care> ? Walk around the supermarket, you can spot them because they are the ones with the shopping carts filled with steaks and roast beef and blow through the register using an EBT card.

[Wallythewalrus]

@msc545 These states are actually abiding by the constitution. As well as their rights as a state. California cannot dictate that another state allow an illegal to drive in their state. My state DOES NOT ALLOW ILLEGALS TO OBTAIN A VALID DL., end of story. Now, are you telling me that it is a human rights violation to not let an illegal drive in this state? I don't give a fuck if they have a Cali license. That license is only valid in Cali and they know that! This really is a nonissue. California even knows that.

[msc545]

Why are you so worried about people getting the food they need and not having to pay for it as opposed to defense contractors literally stealing billions of dollars of tax money every year - and you selectively ignore that? They are STEALING your tax money.

[monorprise]

@msc545 Like most Americans I don't think @katiesmuff is big on National Socialism or any kind of socialism.
Having borders is just something real countries do and have always done since day one. When you stop enforcing your border laws you stop having a country.

Ironically if you recall the National socialist, like many other leftist seem to have trouble respecting other countries borders.

[sage2021]

@please LET ME SAY THESE PEOPLE WERE ILLEGAL WHEN THEY GOT TO AMERICA! THAT'S THEIR WAY OF DOING BUSINESS! THEY DO EVERY SINGLE THING ILLEGAL. THAT'S ALL THEY KNOW IS TO DO OT THE ILLEGAL WAY!

[purplepoppy]

So let's see if I've got this right. If you pass your driving test, get a licence, pay road tax, get driving insurance etc in one state, another can arrest you for crossing their border?

I can drive in the USA on my British driving licence no problem but your stopping anyone who isn't as white as you'd like in the hope of arresting them for getting licensed in the wrong state.

[msc545]

Yes, that is precisely what they are doing. The southern states are famous for imitating Nazis and the biggest Nazi of all in this case is DeSantis.

[purplepoppy]

So does every American have to carry proof that they are an American citizen at all times? Or just the coloured ones.

[msc545]

Apparently this is unique to Florida at least at this time. And it would be just the Hispanic or black citizens in Florida that the cops happen to decide to stop. In other words, all of them. Of course, conservatives think this is a great idea because they have all bought into the bullshit that illegal immigrants are somehow a problem. They aren't. Conservatives are.

[Wallythewalrus]

Yes, if you obtain a California DL as an undocumented citizen, it states that. It is only legal in the state of California.

[purplepoppy]

So its just a loophole for cops to stop black folk every two minutes just to delight far right voters. Perhaps cars should be colour-coordinated to make life easier for the police, red for reb voters, blue for dem and brown for non whites.

[Wallythewalrus]

Jesus Christ!! Yeah, that's gonna happen. Can't you fucks ever come up with an intelligent argument? Like tell my why any state should recognize a Cali license that is only legal in Cali? Because you want them to? They have their rights as a state. California did it knowing it wouldn't be recognized by other states.

[msc545]

Making suggestions like that generally leads to an implementation of exactly what was suggested down the line. Pretty soon. Red, blue and brown cars are going to be the only things on the road along with of course the black and white of the cops. In the south, all the white people will be driving white cars and black and brown people will be driving black and brown cars to make it easier for the cops to identify all of them.

[exitseven]

No, it works like this. You break the law by entering the country illegally, instead of getting arrested they are rewarded with free everything. They have access to programs that citizens do not have. Then they are given a free drivers license. They do not pass a test and they do not have to supply an ID.
In America the states grant reciprocal rights there. for certain things. If you can drive in one state then all other states can allow them to drive. However Gov. deSantis believes that federal immigration laws should be obeyed and not ignored to help the democrat political agenda. It makes the roads less safe by having people who do not have to pass a test drive on public roadways. DeSantis wants to discourage illegal aliens from going to Florida in the first place.

[Sasahara]

You can be white and an illegal immigrant too. Its not exclusive to non-white people.

[msc545]

Police in the south do not hassle white people generally nor do conservatives. Both groups however, Make it a point to hassle non-whites as much as possible.

[exitseven]

@Sasahara Yes, people from over 200 countries have entered the country illegally. All different races and colors. They all should be deported.

[Sasahara]

@exitseven I agree with you, I pointed it out because @purplepoppy made it sound like illegal immigrants are unable to be white

[purplepoppy]

Do you care about the white ones? Everyone can see this is just about harrassing non whites.

[Sasahara]

I care about the white ones as much as I care about non-white ones. I do not see this as just about harrassing non whites. I belive they will have an hard time enforcing the law, but I don't see how not recognizing drivers licenses issues to illegal aliens somehow is anti-white, unless you think white people are unable to be illegal aliens.

[Lliam]

How can someone who sneaked into the country and does not have a visa get a driver's license in that country?
This isn't about racism. It's about being in the country legally. You know "illegal" immigrant.

@purplepoppy. If someone hopped off a freight ship in England and had no passport or visa, would they be able to get a UK driver's license?

[purplepoppy]

Yes if they passed the test. They could also drive here if they had a foreign licence.

[Lliam]

@purplepoppy. Of course they can drive on a foreign license. But could someone with zero documentation that they are in the country legally walk into the office and get a UK driver's license?

[BoopBoopBeep]

@purplepoppy
Florida has the right to not recognize criminals driving on their roads. Why do you assume it's just the colored ones? Illegal immigrants from Ireland are affected as well.

Now why they get pulled over and that gets determined... that may be a different story, but my suspicion (and I know nothing about Florida so... grain of salt...) is that this is just going to be an additional charge tacked on to stops for speeding, etc, because you still have to have probable cause to pull them over and determine that they aren't driving on a recognized license.

[Wallythewalrus]

And before they say it's a way to deport illegals, normal, every day, local and state law enforcement officers have no jurisdiction involving illegals. They can't even ask their "legal status".

[purplepoppy]

All I'm saying is if another state has made the decision to grant them a licence you should respect it and grant them free passage.

[Wallythewalrus]

Um, NO. California doesn't dictate to the rest of the country what laws to follow or not to. In my state, an illegal CANNOT OBTAIN A VALID D. L. If Cali wants to grant them a D. L, that's fine but they tell the illegals it is only legal in California. As I said before, this isn't or shouldn't be an issue. California cannot determine legal status, only the federal government can.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@msc545 Somewhat off topic, but in the south I've seen a LOT of white people get pulled over for being in the hood... cops assuming your there to buy drugs or get a hooker. Then they try the whole "I'm going to need to search your car" thing because... you know... F the Constitution

[msc545]

They do that a lot and I'm aware of it. I'm not sure but I think it has to do with either collecting money or taking the car and selling it as an asset or using it themselves.

[Lliam]

@Wallythewalrus. You're right. If a person has a license to carry a concealed firearm in Texas, Florida won't honor that. It's the same with a driver's license.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@msc545 Civil asset forfeiture is the biggest end run around excessive punishment that we have. Maximum find imposed by a jury for x oz of drug ABC is $500, but I can seize your $80k car? Yeah... i have a badge and I think that's f'ing thievery and a direct assault on the Constitution. Agencies that fund themselves that way need to have a complete overhaul of leadership.

[monorprise]

@purplepoppy how long you can drive in the USA depends on the State. Not every state recognizes international driver license, although they might accept it.

To be entirely frank I think given your country drives on the other than right side of the road, its an open question weather or not it is even safe to let you drive on our roads without retraining or at least some licenses indicating retraining.

Regardless your visa and immigration status should be checked by police at every encounter when they verify your identity. Legally you are required to carry your Alien number/passport to help them do that.

[msc545]

Legally local police cannot ask for your immigration status or your immigration documents. That is left to the border patrol and people of that sort who typically don't pull cars over. I know you'd like the idea of local police demanding documents, but we don't really do that in the US except in certain southern states, but function sort of like Nazi Germany in many ways.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@msc545 Will be interesting to see how this plays out:
tucson.com/.../...718e-5028-915e-ce1343d40f15.html

[msc545]

That will be very interesting indeed. I wonder if the police will use that as an excuse to engage in racial profiling or not and if they do what the result of that will be for both the police and the people they profile. Nice find.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@msc545 Yeah I hear zero about it in the news. I'd have thought that would have had more coverage.

[Wallythewalrus]

@BoopBoopBeep That law has been in effect for 13yrs. It was never fully implemented because scotus deemed most of it unconstitutional. The cops can legally ask for proof of citizenship but can't prosecute you or deport you if you don't provide them, unless there is a federal law you broke, then ins gets involved. It's simply a misdemeanor. There is more to it but it really isn't even enforced anymore, as far as I know.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@Wallythewalrus Well yeah, so if it's no longer unconstitutional, are they going to start enforcing it? database is real easy to check with a DL number/SS#/Alien #

[Wallythewalrus]

@BoopBoopBeep local law enforcement asking for legal status was found constitutional in 2012 but scotus struck down Arizona prosecuting illegals for not being here legally and struck down their ability to deport them. That falls under federal jurisdiction. It hasn't been revised or revisited since. The law is the same as it was 11yrs ago.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@Wallythewalrus I just un-f'ed myself. I saw the date as 2012 and in my mind I was like "oh this was last year."

Going to get some coffee now.

[Guffrus]

@purplepoppy

@Wallythewalrus

To clarify; no you cannot get a driving licence in the UK as an undocumented person, one of the criteria is that you have permission to live in the uk for at least 185 days.

[Wallythewalrus]

@Guffrus you tagged the wrong person.

[Guffrus]

@Wallythewalrus No, I didn't.

[Wallythewalrus]

@Guffrus Yeah you did. I couldn't care less about laws in the UK pertaining to getting a DL.

[Wallythewalrus]

@Guffrus I think you want to tag @Lliam

[Guffrus]

@Wallythewalrus You are right, I stand corrected.

[monorprise]

If your not here legally in this country, you should receive no state ID, no public service, no access to schools, libraries, apartments, houses, etc...

It is not the job of the State to make life convenient for criminals but rather to make it rather difficult for them so that they leave the life of crime they have choose.

[msc545]

So apparently you think that being an illegal alien is synonymous with being a criminal, correct?

[exitseven]

@msc545 There are laws against the illegal entry into the US. Just because democrats choose to selectively enforce only the laws that advance their agenda does not make it not illegal. They don't call them illegal aliens for nothing. Oh, democrats want us to call them undocumented citizens..

[monorprise]

@exitseven Remember when the leftist press decided we weren't allowed to describe them as illegal and all the press suddenly started using the Democrat terms "undocumented" as if they were both undocumented and that was their problem

[exitseven]

I still call them illegal aliens. Ignoring a problem does not make it go away.

[msc545]

So that crime of entering makes it ok to discriminate against them? That is your logic?

[exitseven]

@monorprise. If you are here illegally you should be deported ASAP. What's good for Martha's Vineyard is good for the country.

[msc545]

You are avoiding the question.

[monorprise]

@msc545 Yes, if you invade my country, or especially my house you will be very strongly discriminated against... Since when did you start expecting that would not be the case?

Heck in many states we are allowed to just shoot you... For most countries the rules have been very much the same for much of history.

Seriously you act like trust-passing is a mere dirty look.

[monorprise]

@exitseven That's letting them off easy, they committed a crime and need to serve jail time, not simply be sent back to do it again.

[msc545]

Illegal immigration is not a crime committed out of malice, but rather a crime typically committed out of necessity. People don't go to prison before illegal immigration into the United States. They just get deported. I know you think people should either be imprisoned or tortured or perhaps executed for this horrible crime, but unfortunately for you it's not going to happen. That is fortunate for the rest of us that actually are human beings.

[monorprise]

@msc545 Says every criminal about pretty much every crime ever committed. There is No necessity to invade anther country, only the greed and desire to get rich and avoid the hard work of reforming your own.

Yes that is in fact a crime, a rather serous one historically.

[msc545]

You seem to be having some trouble understanding the difference between immigration and invasion. Also, if you insist on putting people in jail because they immigrated you're going to have to feed and clothe them and that will cost you money. Are you sure you want to do that?

[msc545]

Oops! I almost forgot you're going to have to pay prison guards too. And you are going to have to pay for the utilities with a prison you built for people that tried to immigrate to your country. That's even more costs. Do you think it's worth it?

[monorprise]

@msc545 The difference between immigration and invasion is a lawful invitation. So no I find the difference between immigration and invasion very clear. It does however sound like you don't.

You seem think invasion requires an army, this dispute the fact that we use the term to refer to any unlawful and uninvited entry into any space. That is regardless said entry being armed, organized, or having any particular intent.
What is really hostile about their action is their intent to remain, which makes it a colonization as well.

[msc545]

How does intent to remain equate to hostility? They come here to tend crops, not to steal.

[monorprise]

@msc545 Its taking something that is not yours, is generally not regarded as a friendly act. In this case someone just moving into your house and undercutting you before your family.

[msc545]

Moving into your HOUSE? How is that?

[monorprise]

@msc545 A metaphor to describe the nature of the crime. In this case when an illegal alien invades a country he creates a competing demand for land and an undercutting offer of labor.
The effect of which is to raise the cost of living and lower the wages for everyone there.

This is no different than anther man moving into your house, dividing its resources and undercutting the value of your contribution. Thus making it more difficult for you to remain in said house yourself.

For a country taken to an extreme this can be a disastrous policy because in reality civilizations are not just ideas but populations. When the population becomes expendable and replaceable, the ideas are not constrained by their need to be survivable by said population.

You see this problem manifest in the unaffordable cost of living and starting a family today. We ourselfs as a population have become expendable and replaceable to the ideas that run our socialization.
The result is those ideas able to get away with killing us.

[msc545]

You seem to be unaware of the fact that aliens both legal and illegal do the jobs that absolutely nobody else wants. They are not stealing jobs from anyone. They also are not stealing land from anyone since even people with relatively good paying jobs. Can't afford land or houses in this country anymore. A good way to drive up the cost of certain kinds of goods and foods is to make sure that aliens can't do those jobs because you've deported all of them and the jobs are left undone or they are done by people who demand quite a bit more money, which in turn raises the prices of those goods.

[monorprise]

@msc545 Few people want to do any job, that is why you have to pay them for the task. That pay has to be high enough for them to find the unwanted effort worth it.

Just because you say nobody else wants to do theses jobs doesn't mean that is true. The employer isn't offering to play Americans enough to want to do that particular job. They Instead want a argon by hiring foreigners who don't mind living 5 people to a room, as is required to live on such wages.

[msc545]

You are right about this, but the people that own the orchards are used to a certain standard of living which is highly dependent on being able to obtain cheap labor. They are not about to give that up. If necessary, they will just raise the prices of the produce accordingly. But even then they will sell less of it because people will by less of it. Nobody wants this to happen.

[monorprise]

@msc545 Don't even pretend this is an Orchards problem that is migratory labor, the real draw in every other kind of labor that is year round.

As for the Orchard's their real alternative is expensive up front machines. To a limited extent fast food and various other low skill industries can invest in the same tecnoligy, creating more high paying jobs to make, build and create them.

Otherwise they CAN and should be free to raise prices. The only reason they are not so free is the availability of that labor and the fact that all of their competition both in America, and overseas (via free trade deals) is using it.

Expecting any particular business or even an industry as a whole NOT to take the lest expensive available option out of some nobility is a fools erran to drive them out of bushiness.

It is the responsibility of the STATE to make good trade deals and restrict immigration as to raise the value of labor high enough to afford to actually live under the laws in this country.

Not callously tell Americans to follow those laws while turning a blind eye to the importing of millions of labor competition who will not.

Like it or not this is one thing Trump proved, unlike Obama, both Bush's, Clinton, and even Ronald Reagan, and now Joe Biden.

All of whom undercut American labor drastically putting us into the poor position we are in.

[exitseven]

@monorprise That is true. 20 years ago there were lots of entry level construction jobs available for young people wanting to go into the trades. Roofing, framing and siding were all good paying jobs and were taken mostly by young people. Now all you see are illegal aliens doing these jobs.

[Drewtate]

That actually makes sense. How can you be issued a licence if you are not here legally. It will also discourage illegals from going to florida and they will decide to go to more liberal sanctuary cities who will end up having to drop all the bullshit under the weight.

[NaultD]

How do you prove you're not an illegal immigrant? Even if you get caught on border you still need to get a court appearance with a jury of peers to prove you did something illegal.

[exitseven]

when you come to this country the legal way you get a green card. (it is really not green), If you don't have one or a travel or student visa then you are an illegal alien.

[NaultD]

So a natural born citizen (with tan skin let'sbe honest) will not be able prove they are a citizen on the spot. Illegal jailed until proven innocent. Fundamentally against the constitution and i hope DeSantis gets racket against the coils for it.

[exitseven]

A natural born person will have some form of ID like s drivers license or social security card.

[NaultD]

That pain in the ass REAL ID shit. the next renewal picture will require deep throating a cock for the camera while saying "THANK YOU BIG BROTHER government" with your eyes for the picture. All because people are scared of tan people. that is true freedom our foundation fathers dreamed of. Hazza.

[Wallythewalrus]

There is a process for law enforcement. If you can't provide an I. D or D. L, you provide them your D. O. B, full name with middle initial. It literally happens hundreds of thousands of times a day, if not millions!

[Wallythewalrus]

They'll also ask you your address.

[exitseven]

@naultd. I got the Real ID and it was not bad once I found out what I needed. I brought birth certificate. Tax bill and a credit card bill and I think it was fine.

[monorprise]

@naultd
If you have a Real ID driver's license you should have already proved it. If you have a phony License from a State that doesn't verify citizenship, then the cop can look up whatever number is given and call and Ask. Today police have computers that are tied to the State's DMV allowing them to do that. the DMV likewise can be connected to all other states for both driving and wanted criminal records.

Police are Suppose to run your ID thou all of theses records to know if they need to grab you, The feds too are suppose to provide such access so that police and grab their wanted criminals too.

If you want to have functioning LEO's on a large scale we need to have this system

[monorprise]

@Wallythewalrus The trouble is not all police computers are connected to look up such information with a photo, so in many states criminal can just give a fake name and birth day of a person they know to get away with it. Such a system just verifies such a person exist.

I know people who got charge with crimes in other states they never been to because some criminal used their name and birthday.

[Wallythewalrus]

@monorprise I'm well aware of that. People are caught with fraudulent I. Ds every day. The point is, by law, if you provide them with a name, DOB and you come back without any wants/ warrants and a matching physical, they can't hold you, depending on the crime. I think there are only like 2,3 states that require you to carry i. d.

[monorprise]

@Wallythewalrus If you don't have a valid ID when caught driving your committing anther crime in every state.

So they have a lot more than your name and birth day. But frankly bio-metric information like photo ID should be available as well to verify you are whom you say you are.

[Wallythewalrus]

@monorprise Absolutely but I'm not talking about a drivers license. Just the other night, a friend was driving my car, with me in it, when he got pulled over for speeding. He had to provide a valid license. Since the vehicle was registered to me, the cop asked me for id but I didn't have my wallet on me. It wasn't a crime. The cop wasn't happy about it, because he had to look me up to confirm my identity and told me to make sure I always carry some type of identification on me but again, it wasn't a crime.

[Slingblade1126]

@Wallythewalrus Actually, there aren't any states that require an Id when out in public. A valid D. L, yes but only when operating a motor vehicle. Also, local and state law enforcement cannot in any way detain you on suspicion of not being a legal citizen, unless a federal crime is committed. Only Arizona local law enforcement, at this time, can question your legal status and ask for documentation. Even then, it's only a misdemeanor if it isn't provided. The legal status of individuals falls under federal jurisdiction. Scotus made it clear in 2012. A state can ask for documents but cannot prosecute or deport if they can't prove they're legal.

[Wallythewalrus]

@Slingblade1126 I thought the Dakotas required id? I'm probably wrong. Anyway, major state crimes would fall into the category of detainment for prosecution and deportation.

[Slingblade1126]

@Wallythewalrus Yes, but only the feds can deport and as we all know, it's something this current administration is against. Just this last May a woman was raped by an illegal that was actually detained at the border but let in.

[AviatorTom]

Thst makes sense but I'm having a hard time how they will enforce it.

This may be a case where the legislature passes a well-intentioned law without consulting the police on how to enforce the law.

[andreasderjuengere]

For fairness: if one ''illegally'' stays in some area - how can he/she/it/whatever expect to LEGALLY drive there?

And: no - I don't (and didn't) read about irrelevant minor local issues.

[msc545]

Mostly because immigration and driving are unrelated to each other.

[Lliam]

@msc545. Do you believe in open borders?

[andreasderjuengere]

@Lliam I'll adopt this question: Many people who are 'wanted' in the U. S. - escape to Thailand (which is my kind of 'home' country now) and other countries, too.
I do think that some screening of those who arrive can't hurt.
As for the ''good guys'' - make it easy for them.

[Lliam]

I do believe in screening people who enter the country. And I totally agree that it should be much easier for good people to gain immigration status.
Once they have legal status, not necessarily citizenship, they should be allowed to get a driver's license.

I had a girlfriend who had been brought here from Germany when she was an infant. She had permanent legal status but was still a German citizen. She chose not to become a U. S. citizen but had all the rights of citizenship other than voting. I support that.

[msc545]

Screening them for what exactly? Certainly not diseases since conservative seem not to believe in diseases, so what else would it be?

[andreasderjuengere]

@msc545 I was thinking about criminal records, reports of antisocial behaviour and such.

[msc545]

I suppose that's worthwhile if you can actually find out whether or not they even have a criminal record. People from Mexico and Central America made very well. Have criminal records but finding out is very difficult and unreliable.

[andreasderjuengere]

@msc545 It's worth trying, at least. If it wasn't for Einstein, von Braun and others the U. S. as one example would perhaps not be where they are yesterday.

[msc545]

Einstein von run and others like that probably would have been deported today if they had been citizens of a South American or Central American country. As German or Austrian citizens that would not have occurred today of course.

[exitseven]

@msc545 okay, the next time some drunk illegal alien plows into your Porche driving a 1990 Ford pickup truck and is unlicensed, uninsured and unregistered I bet you change your opinion pretty darn quick. That is if you still live to tell the tale.

[andreasderjuengere]

Agreed: Ford fuckup trucks are a pain in the arse

[msc545]

Pickup trucks that are raised aftermarket should be banned. They are far too dangerous. If I get hit by one it doesn't matter whether an illegal is driving it or whether somebody legal was driving it. I will still get badly injured if not killed.

[andreasderjuengere]

@msc545 I'm a die-hard biker. These things obstruct my view :)
And they also obstruct their own driver's view - heheh.

[msc545]

Very bad news.

[exitseven]

@msc545 I drive a Ford F-150.

[msc545]

If it has aftermarket lifting that is a terrible hazard.

[exitseven]

@msc545 It does not but when the tires wear out I will get new wheels and tires that will be larger and taller.

[msc545]

When you hit someone driving a regular vehicle you will put your front bumper right through their windshield. Are your bigger tires and new wheels worth having that happen?

[exitseven]

@msc545 Yes, I need the extra floatation for the beach.

[msc545]

Turn on Fox news and use the hot air that emanates from it.

[exitseven]

@msc545 hhahahaha

[Anonymous]

I suppose it makes sense. In Ireland and the UK you wouldn't get issued a licence in the first place if yiu weren't there legally, you wouldn't get insurance, you wouldn't be able yo pay road tax, get an MOT or register the car to your name.

[NamerOfStars]

That doesn't make sense- how would they know? Are they going to ask for license, registration, and birth certificate, now?

[sage2021]

@NameeOfStars
And during the pull over, they check your underwear for skid marks 🙄

[sage2021]

Thanks 👍 for the MHGIRL 🌹😎

[gothbxtch]

jesus christ, florida. glad i don’t live there anymore

[monorprise]

Better not drive without a valid license anywhere or you will go to jail

[LiamJHayden]

Seems like it might be of questionable constitutionality. It seems certain to be tested under Article 4, Section 1.

[John_Doesnt]

It's Florida and they are run by a watered down version of Donald.

[msc545]

They now check the citizenship status of every person they stop?

[exitseven]

I do not know how they do it but they will not recognize the license. Every state has the right to not recognize drivers licenses from other states. They are being selective about it but I remember hearing about this when I took Drivers Ed in high school.

[msc545]

Kind of like Nazis.

[exitseven]

No, they are trying to enforce laws that are on the books. If the federal government would do this states like Texas and Florida would not have to do it for them. It think it is DeSantis's way of discouraging freeloader from relocating in Florida. I wish the governor in my state would do this instead on getting the legislature to give her 324 million for handouts to illegal aliens. This will not be the last of these payments either. Meanwhile the cases of elderly homelessness has been steadily rising.

[msc545]

I think it's ironic that you are so worried about illegal immigrants and you don't worry in the slightest about the fact that we all get ripped off by defense contractors to the tune of nearly a trillion dollars a year. Somehow. That's okay with you and I don't understand why. They aren't doing anything to protect you. They are doing things. The line their own pockets as they have always done.

[exitseven]

At least the defence contractors give us something for the money. We had the best equipped armed forces in the world until Biden gave a lot of it to theTaliban and Ukraine. Illegal aliens are the gift that will keep on giving. 5ok a piece per person per year every single year going forward. Meanwhile veterans have to beg for services and the elderly are becoming homeless in record numbers.

[monorprise]

@msc545
Why not they are suppose to be checking everything else including the rest of your criminal history, to know if they need to nab you.

[msc545]

When you are checking the criminal history with a foreign country, particularly in South America results you get back if any are highly unreliable. It's really not worth it.

[monorprise]

@msc545
That is an argument for not admitting forign nationals from such countries without a far more through evaluation, investigation and background check.

It is not related to the issue of what to do with the ones who have already choose to disregard our laws and come/stay here regardless.

A police officers job when they encounter you is to verify your not wanted for any other crime that includes immigration crimes.

[msc545]

@monorprise Local police don't routinely check immigration status except in the red states. thank god I don't live in one.

[monorprise]

@msc545
This is part of the reason living and working in your state is soo unaffordable for unskilled labor. As your not bothering to enforce immigration law.
Your poor must compete for houses and jobs, Democrat solution is simply to raise the minimum wage and demand developer build houses for poor people among the few lots they allow to be constructed.

As there still are not enough houses and too many people competing for ever fewer jobs, more and more of your poor end up moving to "red" States that do enforce migration law, and are also more open to allowing people to build enough homes.

When the country splits you don't want to be on the democrat side of the border.

[msc545]

Seems like everyone here that's a republican is doing this stuff. You don't live in my state and you don't know what's going on here. Everything you've said is pure speculation. Some of it is somewhat true but most of it is just fantasy.

[Anonymous]

Great law. There are a lot of illegal immigrants in FL. Throw the book at them and deport them all.

[zagor]

That's even dumber than giving them to illegal aliens in the first place.

[Guanfei]

Good. An illegal shouldn't even be there, let alone get a license and drive freely.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Nope. But the law is correct. Illegal aliens shouldn't even be in the country to begin with.

[Pterodon]

I agree with this

[Fuentes]

Sounds like a step in the right direction

[TrueConfection]

Excellent!

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

Soon they'll start coming after us Jews