Why do conservatives have such anger toward gay people and immigrants?

[msc545]

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Should be "some conservatives"

[LaFemmeFatale_1]

I am not sure if this question is related to the US or generally, but since you invited me, I’ll gladly share my thoughts,

I think the problem is inability to accept themselves.

A person who accepts herself, accepts others the way they are too.

Some people like living in their little worlds and staying blind to what the world really is like.

What difference does it make if someone is gay or not? How does it affect you personally? It’s not like you’ll get infected with gayness, right. Why does it scare you so much if you are secure in yourself?

There have always been gay people,

by opposing them, you don’t change anything, other than hurting people who love slightly different things from yours.

What’s the point of that?

About immigrants, I think it comes from the lack of open-mindedness and lack of the experience of traveling in the world.

When you travel, you learn here’s this person from that country and nothing makes him different from me, he too, wants the same things as me, to be happy, to be loved.

We are more similar than we think we are , and migration has been the force that made the humankind keep going and created us the way we are today.
It has always been part of our history. Some people leave, some people come.

Mixing with each other, with the new blood, actually helps country be stronger, our DNA gets diversified and we get stronger genetically.

It’s is important biologically speaking too, one day Homo Sapiens man slept with Neanderthal woman and we still carry some helpful genes thanks to that encounter.

People are people everywhere and hostility won’t change that process.

That has happened for the years. A human is a restless creature, we rarely stay at one place forever, the descendants of those conservatives too, will someday leave their homes and will find home somewhere new, and they’d wish their children will get accepted to those new places and they’ll be hurt to imagine they are getting oppressed because of their skin color, sexual orientation or nationality.

[Daniela1982]

@lafemmefatale_1 No one usually has a problem with legal immigrants, it is all the ones streaming across the border who get more benefits than our own citizens, and which also includes a lot of criminals. We don't need anymore crime here than we already have from our own criminals. As far as gays, we are tired of getting it shoved in our faces and having our children secretly indoctrinated into it, as well as transgenderism. And this is the same thing people say about Christians, that they don't want religion shoved in their face. It seems it is also working towards the New World Order.

[Anonymous]

Because they are generally miserable people. Just read their comments on here, nothing but hated and bigotry.

[loveslongnails]

If you're talking about gays in the USA, the simple answer is a great many conservative folks adhere to some form of Christianity. Far too many "Christians" feel justified and righteous to hate gays, because their priests, pastors, leaders and fathers in the Church tell them it's ok, because the Bible says it's an abomination. My guess is it gives them some misguided impression that denouncing gays means they're doing God's work and getting "brownie points towards heaven".

As towards immigrants, that's just plain stupidity and ignorance. Everyone's ancestors in the USA were immigrants except possibly the natives who were already here!! Where the anger SHOULD BE directed is at every single previous administration and every person in Congress who kicked the problem down the road!

Instead of spending the vast majority of tax dollars on weapons and a defense budget, money should have gone to dealing with this ongoing issue some 100 years ago up to the present. Fast forward to today's economy, and the entire US agricultural system revolves around immigrant labor, and no, they're not taking JOBS away from US citizens; they're doing the work no US citizen wants to do.

Yes, there are inherent and ongoing problems, but don't blame the vast majority of immigrants who want a better life than they have elsewhere; that only shows how ignorant and hateful you really are, and quite probably a white Supremacist in your heart.

[lightbulb27]

I don't see anger towards them in my circles. I think there's always extremists and I don't know them. That's what the media shows and focuses on. As well, the right media uses this as a point to show how our borders are weak and we are creating problems and taking risks we shouldn't be.

What I do see is a belief this is a country, it has borders and should be protected. Many republicans have good lives and work hard for what they have, many are very successful. They believe the borders should be defended so that people are here legally, we know whom they are and criminals are not coming in. It's as well about managing the economy.

The other part of it is "the passing out of free resources to immigrants/refugees when tax paying citizens aren't getting that". There is some truth to that from what I've seen. That creates discontent. Same thing happens in France, but I don't see the anger there, just dismay.

Refugees is another matter. It may be terminology that is messing things up.

It is really odd if religious people are mean towards immigrants. I don't see that in my circles.

Thus I think media distorts the the truth.

[slatyb]

"the passing out of free resources to immigrants/refugees when tax paying citizens aren't getting that" That's not happening. Immigrants (once admitted) and refugees are not supported by the government.

[lightbulb27]

@slatyb in nyc you've got upwards of 100k immigrants living in nice hotels, free food, who knows what else. they have a place to stay... some americans, do not.

[slatyb]

100k? What's your source for that?

[lightbulb27]

@slatyb new york post, etc..
www.nytimes.com/.../...grant-crisis-explained.html

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Conservatives tend to be Religious freaks

[BoopBoopBeep]

I'd say that's a bit of an overgeneralization. I'm conservative. My last three serious significant others have been first generation American, two of the people closest to me are gay. (Incidentally the two gay people are conservative and they don't hate each other or themselves.) Most of the people I've worked with over the years are conservative just by nature of the business. Most of them couldn't care one way or another if you're gay or care where you're from if you're legally here. When I say most I'm talking about like 99% of the ones I've known and worked with. I can't get 100% of people to agree with "kittens, period" so... you know...

It would be like me saying why do liberals riot and burn down neighborhoods, go soft on crime and think conservative blacks are uncle tom.

[msc545]

good points. I should have said "some conservatives"

[msc545]

Pls see my update now..

[BoopBoopBeep]

Why do some liberals think we're too dumb to know how to get IDs? I dunno, people kinda suck on both sides of the aisle :P

[msc545]

I don't think it's a matter of thinking that anyone is too dumb to get an ID. I think it's more that historically members of minority groups such as Latinos and black people seem to have a lot of difficulty obtaining identification. Although it's unclear to me why that would be. One explanation. I've heard that I don't really believe is that they can't get a ride quite literally to a facility that would issue them an ID such as a department of motor vehicles or other government office. That doesn't seem to make sense to me either, but there it is. Of course we all have an interest in having as many people as possible voting. Unfortunately, I think that a lot of people on the right seem to believe that the more people that vote the more their candidates lose. Again, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but I've heard it repeated many times. If that is actually true then I would understand why they want voter IDs to be an effect and would not want certain groups voting which would reduce the overall vote count significantly. All of this stuff seems really suspect to me. I don't see the harm in the voter ID, although I don't necessarily believe that there have been any significant or meaningful voter frauds to worry about. That said, if others feel that this is necessary, I would certainly not begrudge them this.

[BoopBoopBeep]

I'm surrounded by black and brown people in my neighborhood. Everybody has an ID. Maybe it's affluence. Except not, because I've spent a LOT of time in the hood. Poor black and brown people still have IDs. Even back in the 90s, all my friends had IDs, because you needed one to buy smokes and liquor. I literally have not known one black or brown person over the age of 18 that didn't have an ID. If this is some relic from the 50/60s, we really need to let it die.

[msc545]

I don't have much contact with black or brown people except professionally and when I do have contact with them they too seem to always have an ID since my staff asked them for it before they can be seen by me as veterans.

[msc545]

That said, my liberal friends insist that minority group members have great difficulty obtaining ID. I have no idea what this is all about really.

[BoopBoopBeep]

Hahah it such cognitive dissonance..."the media tell me black people have no clue how to get ID. All these black people somehow managed to get ID... wait... I know... white people helped them get it! Whew... that way I can still silently think they are all incompetent AND feed my white savior complex. Feed two birds with one nummy."

Outside of the crackhead that danced on the corner for quarters growing up (me, not the crackhead, he was already grown up) I've literally never met a black person without ID. I mean maybe they left home without it, sure, we've all forgotten our wallet at some point, but flat out not have any? I'm sure they exist. I met a white dude once that hadn't renewed his driver's license and it was 10 years out of date. I asked him what that was about he was like "just never got around to it" like that was a sufficient answer. After probing, he's like I don't smoke or drink, politicians are all liars and thieves so i don't vote, i don't fly, most of what i need is on my property (he had 60 or 70 acres) and every few months when I go to town i take the quad and i don't need a license for that.

[msc545]

Major cognitive dissonance!

[RealMarek]

There are many potential reasons, it just depends on the person. I’ve seen, for example, people who were laid off and replaced with foreign labor and people who could not find a job in their field because they don’t speak Spanish. Some get angry at the migrants, of course. I have personally be affected by mass migration, but I don’t get upset with the migrants. I am angry with our filthy elites who do everything they can to concentrate wealth to themselves, externalize costs to society, and drive down the cost of labor. Clear them out!

[NaultD]

They need a scapegoats to avoid any responsibly or trying new things.

[normalice]

There is no reason to vote republican so conservative think tanks have determined the only way to get people to vote for giving the rich more money is to make people mad at anyone other than republicans.

[exitseven]

I know many conservatives. They are more open to different cultures than most liberals I know. I like gay people and all my grandparents were immigrants. They were the real heroes of this country.

[Snakeyes7]

Most of the libertarian sort will want this stuff to stop being used as an excuse for the government to gain more power.

Like they are being used right now.

[Anonymous]

They hate seeing people who are comfortable with themselves and let out their self hatred on them.

[Anonymous]

Racism and homophobia, why else?