Who is more likely to get the US involved in a war? Biden or Trump?

[Jersey2]

Who is more likely to get the US involved in a war? Biden or Trump?

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[Anonymous]

Trump is the only one that didn't initiate wars and didn't want wars.

Biden started a war even while being just vice president. Look what he did to urkaine as vp and then continued his sick war escalating it when he did become president.

that old piece of shit just wants to bomb people while he fills his pockets because it's not his family being killed by the bombs.

every single biden lover should trade places with the portions of ukranians being bombed all these 9 years because of this sick derange old man, be part of what you support.

TRUMP 2024, END Biden's sick senseless war in urkaine.

[Soteris]

Trump has literally advocated for invading Mexico as well as wanted to bomb a wide variety of countries.

[Jersey2]

@Soteris Well the drugs coming from Mexico are killing over 100,000 Americans a YEAR! Attack the drug lords as they kill so many and create such hardships on families. But don’t get us in a major war for Taiwan which Biden is setting is up for.

[Soteris]

... So you want to start a pointless war with your nearest neighbor but dont see the value in protecting a valuable ally as well as crippling your largest competitor? You are definitely not leadership material.

[Jersey2]

@Soteris I want to stop 100,000 of our people from dying. Taiwan means little to me. Semiconductor manufacturing should be moved elsewhere. China is being contained in other ways and if they take Taiwan it will have the same effect on them as Russian had when taking Ukraine with the added bonus of supply chains diversifying their manufacturing base. No one really likes or trusts China anyway.

[Opinion Owner]

@Soteris Says who? the propaganda you read? 🤯🤡

[Soteris]

@OP Ask Jersey2, he obviously read it too.

[Soteris]

@Jersey2 Well that was one hot take, mostly just a hot pile of shit but still. Impressive in a way. Suffice to say, you definitely should not be a leader.

[Paris13]

Too Late... Biden Had Done it with Ukraine. xxoo

[Jersey2]

Next up… Taiwan with China.

[Paris13]

Thanks, babe. xxoo

[Soteris]

Trump will always be more chaotic and unpredictable where as the Biden foreign policy is very isolationist and unlikely to start another war without a pretty good reason why.

As such, not much would move Biden to war but we never know if Trump wakes up on the wrong side of the bed or if a foreign leader calls him fat or whatever.

[Jersey2]

Taiwan looks like it will happen in the next five years. Biden is committing the US to that and it will be a big war.

[Soteris]

No it does not. China is in the process of a national collapse so why would they start a war with Taiwan?

[goaded]

Jingoism?

[Soteris]

@goaded Nah. Jingoism is a ideology and Trump does not have one. As for Biden he is not militaristic.

[goaded]

Sorry, I meant China might invade to encourage jingoism if they have domestic problems.

[Agagagagaga]

@Soteris Let me guess... the US proxy war in Ukraine doesn’t “really count” as getting the US into war? 🙄

F-ing war-pig apologist.

[Soteris]

@Agagagagaga *shrugs* Of course it does not count. A war is a war and a proxy war is a proxy war. They are in no way comparable so trying to include them in national wars are quite frankly retarded.

Also, its not like USA is doing anything wrong here. Ukraine would fight with or without USAs support, as has been demonstrated already, so the fact that USA is giving them equipment and other support to help them defend their country is normal if not a morally good action.

If you are concerned about stopping war I would even argue that this is the best option. Russia is on the war path. If they win against Ukraine then countries like Moldova are next on the list. If you want to stop Russia from declaring war then a good first step is to make them lose and become unable to fight more.

So in the spirit of world peace, lets all get together and punch Russia in the face! It will be fun!

[strateguy632]

biden isolation? now biden is involving u. s. in a war. not isolate.

[Soteris]

@strateguy632 Yes, Biden is an isolationist.

[Avicenna]

It's disgusting to see these idiot European Marxists worship the ever corrupt and demented Joe Biden.

Trump didn't start any wars during his term in office. Biden and the corrupt Congress have put hundreds of billions of dollars into a proxy war (much of which no doubt was re-routed from corrupt Ukraine to politicians' shell companies).

[Jonnyanalog]

Not to mention he handed over billions of dollars worth of military equipment to Afghanistan.

[goaded]

@Jonnyanalog Yeah, all that training got transferred directly to the Taliban.

[Jersey2]

I fully believe that Biden is corrupt and his son is his bagman. Fortunately his son is a sloppy drug addicted moron so we know more than we should know about how they did it.

[goaded]

My father in law was fond of saying "Glauben ist nicht wissen" - belief isn't knowledge.

You don't know that the president knew what was in is son's bank accounts (why would he?), you don't know that he knew he was conning people based on his name, and you sure as hell don't have any evidence that the president took any of that money.

[Jersey2]

@goaded its coming out now and will play out in court. The laptop was the key and now more comes out.

[goaded]

@Jersey2 In your dreams. What, precisely, do you mean by "it" that's "coming out now"? What specific crime is Biden supposed to have committed, what is the evidence that supports that allegation, and why wasn't it brought up in the impeachment inquiry?

[DryGermanGuy]

Trump is - and will stay - completely irrelevant at this point. So, from a sole probability standpoint, Biden as POTUS is more likely to. In absolute numbers though, that probability is very small, because Biden has too much executive experience to just stumble into a war.

[Soteris]

That is a very good point. Trump is no longer the president and probably never will be so his influence is negligible.

[BCA6010]

Biden and it's not even remotely close. Probably the only candidate in the running who might be equal or more likely than him is Nikki Haley, who has only barely stopped short of publicly calling for an invasion of Russian-occupied Ukraine.

Trump and Ramaswamy would be the least likely, followed by maybe RFK Jr or DeSantis but that last one especially is very questionable due to the sources of his campaign funding and advisory board.

[purplepoppy]

I thought it was Trumps friend Putin that started the war. I suspect Trump encouraged him.

[Jersey2]

Putin did start the war over Nato expansion. Trump advocated leaving Nato as the Germans and others were 1) pouring billions into the Russian economy with energy purchases for cheap fuel which undermined US efforts to contain Russia, and 2) Germany was letting the US carry the financial burden of Nato while not even meeting the 2% requirement or even having a combat ready division as none were and perhaps are combat ready. Thats on Merkel who is more idiot than genius as some though when she confronted Trump over Nato for sure.

Germany is a terrible Allie. UK, Poland, Finns and some others are the real alliance partners for the US. Trump was right to let Germany fend for themselves as they would have had to do their share and more to protect themselves, thereby becoming a credible Allie in the future.

[goaded]

Yeah, that terrible NATO, goose-stepping into countries and taking over their governments! Oh, wait, no, they let countries who are afraid of their neighbours join them voluntarily. But, you say, why would Ukraine fear their good neighbour Russia?

I have no good answer to that.

[Jersey2]

@goaded I didn’t say he had good reason to do it or even that that was his true reason. I also am glad we are supporting Ukraine if that helps. But Germany and others are a shit allie who are taking advantage of the US and actually helping Russia having bought billions of euros in cheap fuel. On a side note, Ukraine has about one year until Congress stops approving 60 billion a year for them to fight so make big progress or say goodbye to Crimea and Oblasts that Russia controls.

[strateguy632]

to purple, if so when trump had power could support his pal putin.
instead trump delayed the war.

[purplepoppy]

He couldn't be seen supporting him but he knew it would be a burden for biden. Trump and putin already know what the exit strategy is because they agreed on it years ago

[FreyaRed]

I don't think US president has much to say if Pentagon experts decide to start a war.

[DryGermanGuy]

It’s the other way around, the U. S. president is also commander-in-chief.

[Jersey2]

Biden tells them what to do, they just give him advice and counsel.

[FreyaRed]

Commander in Chief orders what they want to hear otherwise he will have an appointment with 'magic bullet' like Kennedy.

[Drewtate]

We are already involved in a war. The US is involved in many wars currently

[Jersey2]

True. Now who will add more wars?

[Drewtate]

Presidents don't know where the waes are

[strateguy632]

too late. we already saw trump AVOIDED war but biden got involved, WAR instead of encouraging COMPANY sales weapon directly to ukraine without u. s. government involvement.

[exitseven]

Biden has already gotten us sucked into funding the war in Ukraine. Over 100 Billion dollars and counting. Trump worked to get us out of Afghanistan and did not get us into any new wars.

[DarkWinterNights]

Trump was trying to get us out of involving ourselves in the worlds affairs. Biden got us heavily involved in one barely a year into his presidency.

[tfan1]

Bonehead biden - who is secretly being controlled behind the curtain like the wizard of oz by oBlahma!

[jb2622]

Biden obviously were in one now about to send another 60 billion we dont have over plus how knows what else.

[Anonymous]

Trump was against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Biden voted for them. And Biden has us in a proxy war with Russia. But that doesn't stop these idiots from pointing the finger at Trump.

[888theGreat]

You morons. Trump was President with no wars. Are you just stupid? Biden has US in a war now. When you supply a country weapons you declared war. I can't believe there are so many dumb asses. No wonder US will collapse.

[gorydetails]

Biden has us in a proxy war with Russia as I type.

[goaded]

Which side are you rooting for?

[gorydetails]

@goaded I'm rooting for the war to end and for my tax dollars to stop being laundered through Ukraine.

[goaded]

So you don't care about the outcome.

[gorydetails]

@goaded I just said I cared. I want people to stop dying and i want the money laundering to stop.

[Jersey2]

@goaded I do and I think the Ukrainians have given an amazing fight. The billions though could be spent elsewhere. The deaths are unfortunate too as the borders won’t matter in 100 years and no one will care. A shark just took a bite out of your leg, its a shame but we can only do so much. You would be in much worse shape if we haven't helped. But I don’t care about Crimea which wasn’t even Ukrainian until Stalin changed the border. I also don’t care about the region in the Oblasts. If you can’t do it in a year you will have to fight until Putin dies. We have China to worry about as well so we cannot expend much more on a few bits of land thousands of miles from us. If you want to continue this conversation, do it from you own thread as this is poppy’s.

[goaded]

@gorydetails Oh well, as long as you said you care. What happens to Ukrainians when Putin takes over? Do you really think Putin will stay behind his defences, or does he want the whole country? What happens when Russians invade? Which other countries used to be part of the Russian Empire that Putin said he wants to restore?

[goaded]

@Jersey2 Haven't you noticed that Putin doesn't respect borders? He didn't when he sent troops to support separatists, he didn't when he annexed Crimea, he won't pack up and go home, he'll keep taking more.

[Jersey2]

@goaded This isn’t your thread, its Poppy’s. Post from you own thread.

[Jersey2]

Or rather Gory’s thread.

[gorydetails]

@goaded I don’t know. None of you morons want peace so we can’t figure out what Putin will do.

[Agagagagaga]

@goaded “Haven't you noticed that Putin doesn't respect borders?”

Yeah. Neither do Mexicans and boat people.

[goaded]

@Agagagagaga Let me know when they come in with paratroops, artillery, tanks and drones.

[goaded]

Of course we want peace, you moron, but letting Putin continue to invade his neighbours is not the way to do it. Did Ukraine invade Russia? No. Did Russia invade Ukraine? Yes. Even you should be able to understand that.

[gorydetails]

@goaded lmao. So instead you virtue signal while taxpayers in another country subsidize Ukraine. Fucking clown.

[goaded]

Did Ukraine invade Russia or did Russia invade Ukraine?

[gorydetails]

@goaded are you going to continue to ask others to sacrifice blood and treasure so you can put a Ukraine flag as your profile pic?

[goaded]

Are you going to continue posting bullshit instead of answering simple questions? Who am I kidding? Of course you are.

[gorydetails]

@goaded I’m waiting to hear how Ukraine is my problem.

[goaded]

No you're not, you're avoiding answering a simple question, as usual, because you're a troll with no morals: Did Ukraine invade Russia or did Russia invade Ukraine?

[gorydetails]

@goaded I’m not answering your stupid question so move along boy.

[Jersey2]

@goaded Russia invaded Ukraine and neither of them are the US. We don’t need to be involved and we will only remain involved for a while so sort that shit out through winning or a peace deal as your hand will be weak if the US is no longer supporting Ukraine.

[goaded]

@gorydetails To be clear, you're refusing to answer this question: Did Russia invade Ukraine or did Ukraine invade Russia? Because you think it's a stupid question and not because you're a troll with no morals who doesn't care who's at fault. Got it.

[goaded]

America's not all that involved, you're just sending weapons. And it really does matter when a dictatorship invades a democracy, because the invaded country has been wronged under international law and it puts all democracies at risk. Not to mention all the other war crimes committed by the Russian forces as they attempt to destroy Ukraine as a separate country. "Putin has used the concept of "historical Russia" to argue that Ukrainians and Russians are one people — undermining Kyiv's sovereignty and justifying his 10-month offensive in Ukraine." www.voanews.com/.../6890771.html

Without free movement of goods around the world, things grind to a halt and things get much more expensive, as we witnessed during the pandemic. A collapse of international law would mean a never ending loss of free trade.

[Jersey2]

@goaded The US is giving tactical and strategic advice I would bet. Satellite imagery, intercepted communications, Starlink for their sea drones I would think, financial pressure on Russia including banking restrictions and corporations fleeing Russia, risking BRICS currency taking off, stopping Russia from getting weapons from China and elsewhere and so much more. And Germany does nothing or worse helps Russia with billions of Euros for cheap fuels and cannot even field a combat ready division all the while trying to make money off of the war. Are you German or just living there?

[gorydetails]

@goaded yes, it’s a stupid question. Because you’re an idiot. I’m still waiting to hear an explanation why this is the US’s problem

[goaded]

Starlink is what Musk turned off, rendering a Ukrainian attack ineffective. It's not a US government thing. Is Germany still buying fuel from Russia? No-one in Europe particularly liked the idea of a war-ready Germany for quite 80-odd years now, for some reason.

I live here. What difference does it make?

[goaded]

@gorydetails I know you find it hard to answer reasonable questions if they undermine your immoral posturing. The Russian invasion of Ukraine as part of a plan to expand Russia out to old borders and do away with the non-Russian people who happen to live there is a worldwide problem, it's a problem for democracy, and it's a direct threat to world peace.

Sensible people understand that. Some people would just prefer to give up their freedoms and be ruled by people like Putin.

[Jersey2]

@goaded Starlink helped a lot and has been off and on. Musk had it moved to help Ukraine in the beginning if the war. Then a Ukrainian official said some crap and Musk then stopped until they paid him since he donated the usage. That was likely paid by the US Government, certainly not the Germans.

During the Cold War, Germany had 12 combat ready divisions. So the Germans were expected to carry their weight in holding off the communists. Now they will try to get ONE ready by 2027 and maybe 3 by 2032. Ridiculous. Germany may have a large economy by European standards but it is certainly not a leader or world leader.

And after all those things I wrote that the US has done, you focus on Musk? And you are not even on good ground with that other than Musk didn’t want the war to escalate so held Starlink back recently… wow.

[goaded]

OK, and how many combat ready divisions did the Warsaw Pact, the enemy we were facing, have at the time? They were literally on our border, even on (East) German soil. Today, Russia has proven that it doesn't have the conventional forces needed to take over one country on its border. Should Germany have kept conscription and half a million soldiers on the books for the last 30 years in case Russia decided to invade Ukraine?

[Jersey2]

@goaded Here. Learn your own history. 12 divisions combat ready in the 1980s and were for sometime before that I would think. Don’t hide behind a false narrative that no one wanted an armed Germany. They are needed to keep the world safe but they shirk that responsibility.

www.reuters.com/.../

[Jersey2]

@goaded Coward, idiot, selfish, cheap, greedy that is the German today. Shit allie, a non-leader, big mouths who talk like they do actually something for the international community. Trump and others like myself want the US out of Nato. F Germany. I don’t know why we care who runs that country, Russians or Chinese as long as we can trade with others and keep ourselves safe. We do not need Germany! We do not need Nato! F Europe.

[gorydetails]

@goaded yes, I am aware that you are well versed in the propaganda and have no problem parroting it like the good monkey you are.

[goaded]

Fair enough, I'd forgotten that occupied Germany had conscription and the Bundeswehr were a large part of the NATO front line against the USSR. Guess what happened on both sides of that front line when the Berlin wall came down three decades ago and the USSR collapsed; both sides got to reduce their military forces considerably.

Nowadays, Ukraine can defend itself against the whole might of the Russian military by itself, albeit with materiel support from the West.

Tell me how it would have made sense to keep half a million in the military since then and that you could have seen the unprovoked Russian invasion coming say, ten years ago.

[goaded]

@gorydetails Ah, another fact-free response.

[gorydetails]

@goaded name one opinion about Russia Ukraine conflict you came up with on your own. I’ll wait.

[goaded]

What do you mean by "came up with on your own"? Are you going to pretend that I can't think for myself, that my morals and empathy (both of which I possess, unlike you seem to) are just imaginary?

I believe that a country that invade another country that has done nothing to deserve it is a bad country. Is that simple enough for you to understand? I believe Ukraine has the right to defend itself against invasion. I believe that world democracies need to support and protect each other from dictatorships.

[gorydetails]

@goaded Yes, I’m explicitly stating that you are incapable of thinking on your own, every one of your opinions is fed to you from the left.

[Jersey2]

@goaded but Germany doesn’t do their fair share in supporting other democracies as evidenced by their refusal to provide a capable military as they do not spend the minimum 2% or have any combat ready divisions AND forget Germany as a combatant to protect Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Australia or the Philippines… or for that matter anyone else.

[goaded]

@gorydetails Well, then you're a moron, but we already knew that. Oh, one more opinion I came up with on my very own about Ukraine: elected leaders who have their police shoot protesters at random don't deserve to remain as leaders.

Tell me how any of those opinions are wrong. What's the right wing view? How does it differ.

[goaded]

The Bundeswehr has more than 260,000 personnel, that sounds like quite a lot to me. It's twice as many as the British Army, for example.

[goaded]

@gorydetails Tell me how any of my opinions are wrong. What's the right wing view? I can wait.

Presumably, since all you can do is profess the opposite of anything I say, you think presidents should be allowed to shoot protesters, countries should be allowed to invade their neighbours because they don't like the choices of their population, countries like Ukraine don't have the right to defend themselves against invasions, and world democracies don't need to support and protect each other from dictatorships.

[gorydetails]

@goaded When have I ever said Ukraine can't defend itself? It just shouldn't do it on my tab. I've told you constantly how wrong every one of your opinions are. You're a virtue-signaling piss-ant authoritarian.

[goaded]

So you agree with me that Ukraine has the right to defend itself against invasion. That's something.

Do you think presidents should be allowed to shoot protesters? Should countries be allowed to invade their neighbours because they don't like the choices of their population? Should world democracies support and protect each other from dictatorships?

[gorydetails]

I made it crystal clear. Sorry you have a hard time understanding it. Ukraine can do what it wants on its dime.

[Jersey2]

@goaded Germany doesn’t do their fair share and you tell the US it needs to do these things and more. Bundeswehr may have 206,000 but they might as well be girlscouts as they don’t have one combat ready division. Its a hollow force that would take years to revitalize. Germany says it will revitalize but they have missed their commitments in the past. I see no reason for the US to have such an allie as they are completely unreliable and actually undermine our efforts when it suits them.

[Jersey2]

@goaded And your profile says German but what are you really?

[gorydetails]

@Jersey2 he's an NPC whose only goal is to weaken the US. He's jealous of our country, so wants to take it down a peg.

[goaded]

@gorydetails Is there any particular reason you didn't answer the bulk of the questions? Do you think presidents should be allowed to shoot protesters? Should countries be allowed to invade their neighbours because they don't like the choices of their population? Should world democracies support and protect each other from dictatorships?

@Jersey2 How about you, what do you think? (And I'm someone who can ignore attempted distractions and lies.)

[gorydetails]

@goaded I don’t answer your garbage questions. I never will.

[goaded]

@goaded I know you won't answer my questions because you'd have to either admit to be an immoral monster or a stupid troll whose only "opinions" are that you can say anything you want as long as it owns the libs. I'm pretty sure you're both.

[gorydetails]

@goaded lmao. Do you really wake up in the morning thinking your intellectually dishonest questions are deep insightful thoughts?

[goaded]

Which question I've asked you was intellectually dishonest? Be specific, or carry on lying about everything as usual because answering a question honestly would make you look like the troll you are.

Was it "Do you think presidents should be allowed to shoot protesters?"

Was it "Should countries be allowed to invade their neighbours because they don't like the choices of their population?"

Or was it "Should world democracies support and protect each other from dictatorships?"

[gorydetails]

@goaded I don't understand why your thick skull can't understand my answer. Ukraine is not the US's problem, and should be cut off financially. YOUR tax dollars are welcome to be wasted over there as much as you desire.

[goaded]

You do understand that your honest answers to the three questions would show you to be a troll, a monster, or both. That's why you're fixating on the one question you can answer.

The last question I asked you was which of these three questions was intellectually dishonest?

Was it "Do you think presidents should be allowed to shoot protesters?"

Was it "Should countries be allowed to invade their neighbours because they don't like the choices of their population?"

Or was it "Should world democracies support and protect each other from dictatorships?"

[gorydetails]

@goaded What is even the point of a question "Do you think presidents should be allowed to shoot protestors?"

Did you pull it out of your ass? When you can give an explanation of why you asked it, then I'll consider answering. Otherwise you can continue to fuck off in your impotent rage.

[goaded]

It's to find out if you think presidents should be allowed to shoot protestors. Obviously.

The context is that's what happened in 2014 in Ukraine. Their president had protesters shot in the streets.

There's no rage at this end, just a fascination at how far you'll go to avoid answering simple questions and have an adult conversation. Is that the question you declared was "intellectually dishonest", or was it one of these two?

Was it "Should countries be allowed to invade their neighbours because they don't like the choices of their population?"

Or was it "Should world democracies support and protect each other from dictatorships?"

[gorydetails]

@goaded lol, see that's where you think you're a whole lot smarter than you actually are. That under no circumstance was a legitimate question you just concocted in your noggin. So until you want to be honest, you can continue to fuck off and seethe.

[goaded]

Are you projecting your feelings? The question was fine, but you don't want to give the only reasonable answer because that would involve being reasonable.

[gorydetails]

@goaded No, I'm telling you exactly what you are.

[Fuentes]

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