Do you think that men oppress women? And how are they doing it?

Do you think that men oppress women? And how are they doing it?

It's complicated. I think men evolved to be physically dominant for reasons that make a lot of sense in retrospect- as most evolutionary outcomes do. But that was before our species took a crack at being civilized. We've only been trying this civilization thing for about 100 centuries or so - blink of an eye on an evolutionary timescale, so we aren't really any different, mentally or physically, than the spear chuckers our 250xgreat grandparents were.
But, in men evolving to be physically dominant, it follows that women evolved to want to be physically dominated - or at least taken care of by a physically dominant man. If you make a 100 acre jail cell and stuff it with feather beds, hot tubs, tennis courts, puppies, and servants, it's still confinement to force someone to stay in it. But it also makes sense if some people would prefer such a jail cell over freedom. And how many acres would have to be lost before it doesn't make sense? Well, that's subjective, and to some the idea of being taken care of - the freedom from being responsible for the outcome of their own decisions - is the only freedom that matters to them and they would suffer a life confined to an 8x8 cell to have it.
This desire to be taken care of isn't something men are often allowed to get away with, even though it's pretty common (Indeed, I suspect some men mistake this desire for 'being a woman' but that's a whole other topic), but women are allowed because of their long history of being expected to, and so a lot of women seek out a comfy jail cell. This, unfortunately, means that women who have no desire for such a thing get pulled along by the current anyway.
And keep in mind none of this is an endorsement of any of this. As a civilization we should want to progress towards more enlightenment as quickly as possible, and that necessary would require the participation of everyone who wants to participate, at their full potential, including women. So we should want to keep such women out of any cell they don't want to be in (apart from literally, should they commit a crime), but we aren't going to accomplish that if we aren't honest with ourselves about the cause of the problem. If we acknowledge that our brains are wired for it, it will be a lot easier to fix it than if we keep denying that and look for solutions that don't account for that fact.
Men have never oppressed women.. Even in the past.. In the 1800s a man would go to jail for his wife's actions.. If a woman hit her man and he had bruises he got ridiculed, but if he hit her and she got bruised, he gets put on the whipping post. In the Titanic most of the people who died there were men.. And if a man survived he got ridiculed as a coward... Even the the Middle East.. Boys go out and prostitute themselves to provide for their families because the women can't work, because most of the work is hard labor.. Anytime women suffer, so do men.. Men in general love women, and not to mention we kinda are natural simps.. A man will work for years just to obtain the hand of a woman he fell in love with at first site.
Yes sir..
I think it's a general opinion.
I don't think it's a men's thing, but men are more evolutionary prepared to show many emotions in oppressive or aggressive ways.
Unfortunately, women can also be oppressive, but as they are seen as weaker and purer, it's very rarely reported to authorities.
Most so-called oppressive situations are when one side allows the other to do something by voluntarily giving up and saying "no". And I wrote most, not all.
I was with an abusive man for four years. I could quit when the first time hit me. But I believed I could change him, and I was afraid of being alone. I let him do everything that he did to me. It, of course, doesn't change the fact that he did it on his own volition.
I realized many things. But I had an advantage over people of that age. I was studying psychology. When we were learning about victim syndrome and other related things I started to see the pattern. It took me over a year to make a decision. And it was ridiculously hard. And I did a lot of stupid things after.
But to make a difference, especially in our own life, we have to start with realization.
I think you have to be one of the few people who understands that about self-realization, and especially as a woman. Sorry to say it but I think a lot of women are not very introspective like what you noticed about yourself. Many will try to change a guy like you did, but for a lot of women it's about having control or feeling a sense of mission or importance to try to be an influencing force in some guy's life.
A lot of women are raised in a submissive way. They are taught early on to listen to others and be good. My mom taught me that every decision has consequences, and I must bear them. She also taught me that life is not fair and I have to fight for what I want. She taught me how to be independent.
I think it, together with psychology studies, helped. It didn't shield me from bad decisions, but it made me more aware of the different paths I could take.
They oppress them by avoiding marriage and getting the milk for free. Not saying I blame them, but I wish more women would be as ruthless with withholding sex as men are ruthless in withholding marriage. Women should be like, fine, you say what fool would marry, women will say, what female fool gives up their own power before they get what they want.
You do realize that sex and marriage literally can't even be compared. One is very temporary and the other is very permanent.
Also, why do we even need marriage? If you both love each other and are committed to each other, what's the point in signing a piece of paper that's only going to make a massive mess of the situation if the relationship ever ends?
@Bethany22 Sounds like a you problem. Do something about it if you don't like it. Guys who don't want to get married just don't get married. If you don't want to have sex with someone then just don't have sex with them. Stop saying what women should be and just start being it.
I totally agree and I’ve noticed in myself that when I have a more wholesome lifestyle and stay away from porn that I start to desire marriage. It’s a good thing but lust really corrupts that. like my boss always says, if people are allowed to get away with it they will. And in today’s culture women really allow us to get away with it.
@Bethany22 How does avoiding marriage oppressive?
The women on this website and others aren't interested in marriage either. If they were, they wouldn't date the sort of men they end up going for.
No, men in general are not oppressing women. You can walk into a the Sheriff's department in Tangipahoa parish in Louisiana, and there are only mens' photographs on the wall for wanted for evading child support, but women are just as abusive to children as men, and they don't put the women's photographs on the wall for being wanted for not paying child support when they lose custody.
I don't know your situation, but if you are more concerned with your "power" than love, you may also not be ready for marriage.
@Bethany22 but 60% of men age under the age of 30 have never approached a woman. Maybe you're only referring to men that women are interested in. But there is a lot of guys that have never had sex and the numbers are going up.
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It is not that simple. If it were true that men have always oppressed women then humanity would have died off a long time ago, especially in the more modern interpretation of feminism where the incorporation if "male violence" came into play.
If you have a society of 100 men and 100 women, which would screw the society over more, if 99 men died or if 99 women died? Because a society of 100 women can produce a maximum of 100 children per year, it would be better if 99 men died. Even if there is one man left, the maximum number of children will not go down. It will if 99 women died.
Just by this, it is purely logical (some might say that it is instinctual) for men to say that women should be prevented from death as much as possible and that is where the feminists get their ideas of oppression from, overprotection. Not being allowed (or at least socially unacceptable) for women to do dangerous jobs to prevent workplace deaths of women, to own property or have a credit card to prevent the woman to shoulder the responsibility of having a debt and the prevention of being thrown in debtors prison, to join the military for obvious reasons, etc.
The only reason "male violence" is being touted in my opinion is because the rest of this stuff has been fixed and feminism needs to continue to exist to make money so the decide to fight windmills and claim more oppression. Nowadays they have the government backing them and have to word the violence statistics and studies carefully to make women seem as much like victims as possible. If you don't believe me, look up how the FBI defines rape. Though it has never considered "made to penetrate" in the previous definition, the definition post 2013 only included men who get penetrated which makes it very easy for a woman to have sex against a man's will and make it more likely for her victim to be punished for a crime that she committed than for her to take the punishment herself.
Yeah, anally...
Joking aside, it's not about oppression. It's about individuals and choices.
There are women who beat and oppress their partners, and vice versa. The idiots trying to pigeonhole the blame to a single gender or issue to suit their narratives are the ones who need to be kneecapped.
I've known girls who "loved" their partner, despite being their Friday night punchbag. They weren't "oppressed" they were educated professionals in good careers. They made poor choices in partners and had other commitments that meant they had to go through that.
Horrible to watch and yes we did offer her "concrete shoes" for him. But she said she loved him and was trying to make him a better man.
So really it's women oppressing themselves, if anything.
The female responses here are a great example of how women misuse the term "oppression". Anything men do that women don't like is "oppression". It's a joke, and its why women in general, and feminists in particular, get less respect than they could if they were respectable.
It honestly depends on the individual and cannot be generalised as a whole. But with most men I've encountered, there's an overwhelming aspect of them trying to dominate and interfere with my personal life. For example, just in 3 days of being in the talking stage with a guy, he started demanding that I quit my job or to let go of my MBA, just because he was insecure of me earning more than him. When my aunt was in hospital and I was with my family, he kept demanding an explanation as to why I wasn't answering his texts, although I told him I needed some space (mind you, I hadn't established any solid interest in him yet as this was only the 3rd day of us talking). I almost needed to update every aspect so that I don't upset' the guy.
E. g he spoke of marrying me in the next 6 months, and I felt scared to even let him know that I completely lost interest in him after all his red flags
No, in Western societies there is no oppression of women, women de facto have more rights than men. On the contrary, in non-Westernized Afro-Asian societies there is constant oppression of women, yet feminists magically like them.
In this case topic, moreover, we see how male and female understand oppression differently. With what emerges from the female idea of oppression, males would be hyper oppressed by females.
Stfu male. We can't so much as go to the store or enjoy basic walks (you know... the bare minimum of human activity) without your shitty sexual urges prompting you to induce large amounts of anxiety within us. Your privilege is showing.
Men oppress both women and men. We live in a patriarchy society so it naturally happens since men are in power. But since you asking just if men specifically do it to women then yes ofc we see it everyday here on GaG with the sexist questions like "why are all woman bad drivers?"... and the bullying of a lot of men wanting to control how women act/dress is also a way of oppressing. Go to my question about men feeling entitled to stare at women. a lot of the men basically admitted to oppressing women. I was about vomitting reading their comments🤮
And ofc "not all men " but a lot of men oppress women without even realizing it...
What about all the comments like "why are all men hypocrites", "why are all men untrustworthy", "why do all men cheat"? Is that not women oppressing men? Everyone claims to be "oppressed" nowadays... just grow some balls and stand up for yourself rather than claiming the victim the whole time.
@Apple1996 how are women being oppressed? In today's world, right now, how are you being oppressed by men?
@adam6402 I think a lot of people don't know what oppression actually means. It's basically about having power/control over others. Most men still feel they should have the power to control women or that they are entitled to things in life.
One huge example the row vs wade being over turned in the US. Obviously just men and the government trying to have power over womens medical rights
@Apple1996 It’s called earning our right to have authority over women, it’s not oppression. Men are the ones on the front line, building infrastructure, running countries, fighting wars, working the tough laborious jobs that nobody wants to do, supporting families, paying for women’s wants and needs, we’re accused of everything and are given nothing. We earn what we have. Women get jealous and try to inherit/steal it. Despite putting in all the effort to earn it, we’ll still let you have our money, time, attention, and care... but you can get fkd if you think you can come along and inherit the authority that we earned the deserved right to have. If you want it, then earn it off us! Sitting up on the back row playing the blame game isn't how you pull your weight and earn your right to have equal authority.
It's all very easy for you to say you're "oppressed" and want equality now while the going is good and life is cushy, but when sht hits the fan and it's time to fill the big boots, you'll be begging to go back to being "oppressed"
Yes, but this patriarchal society gave you all the technological benefits and you don't seem to be against it
@MaxUsefull made by men cause women weren't allowed for the most part. Or men stole their ideas. And no I'm not a fan of technology. It's not good for our society
Is that your theory? because there is no evidence of that
@MaxUsefull there is lots of evidence of men that stole womens ideas lol
Is an extremist feminist magazine your source of evidence?
@MaxUsefull there is like 100 other articles and books out there with this same info in it. Have you never done any studying on womens rights/oppression? This stuff should be basic knowledge to most. Even been to a few museums that had some of these names up on their walls
interesting that before they were oppressed by their husbands, now they are oppressed by their bosses
@MaxUsefull guess that depends on what lifestyle a woman has. Not all women work, not all womem have husband's
disgusting ideology.. turns women into be-like-men
@MaxUsefull why would that matter? Not all woman are made to be attractive to you. If you want a woman that's not like that then find one. Can't expect everyone to be the same
I've actually eye-witnessed more women bullying men verbally and with trash comments than vice versa. Woman can say or do just about anything they want and get away with it. If a man does the same thing he gets sued or ends up in prison.
@SeekerOfTruth007 bullying happens the other way around as well
You're a Housewife living off your Husband's income probably buying food for the house while he's out working... I don't know how you have this attitude.. But it kinda proves that feminism really is a social contagion poisoning the minds of people everywhere.. It's always been a social contagion..
@Joshydavid25 my husband literally makes tons of extra money by having a wife and kids. If it wasn't for us he'd be broke
@Joshydavid25 and I'm anti feminist so not sure why you are saying that
He's in the army right? So that makes sense.. Don't know if he would be broke, but I do see what you are saying.. Still though he's out working for y'all.. And you are definitely not anti feminist.. You may not call yourself a feminist but you definitely sound just like one..
I call bs. Women have more rights than men ever even asked for. Nobody is oppressing you but your own faulty decisions.
@Apple1996 you're literally soo delusional... yes, men work in a world that we created, but we didn't create that world for the benefit of men. We built it for the benefit of our families, so we could provide a safe environment for women to raise the kids in and have a good life. If we designed it for the benefit of men, then why would we be the ones running to our death in wars and busting our asses every day at laborious jobs while women are at home living with all the comforts and benefits of modern life that WE provided for them? Men built the society we live in today for the protection and safety of our families, NOT ourselves.
It's not oppression. Oppression is something that is forced. No woman is forced to fit into her role and neither for a man. Society is set up to work that way and trying to fit into a role that isn't fit to you is obviously going to be more difficult, but if a woman wants to work a tough job every day to support her man while he stays in the comfort of her home raising the kids, then she can do that. But don’t expect it to be easy for you, because it’s no easier for any other man out there trying to do the same thing.
There is absolutely nothing stopping a woman from doing and getting whatever she wants. Except for the fact that getting whatever you want requires hard effort and dedication which women apparently aren't willing to invest. Why would you when you can just let men do it and reap the benefits of their hard work instead, right?
@adam6402 the world isn't that great for families so obviously that didn't work out well.
Also very funny you think that staying at home is the easier thing to do. My husband stayed home on paternity leave for 3 months and literally had to start therapy after because it was so bad. He's been in a combat zone multiple times never had to go to therapy for that because it was easier on his mental health than staying home 😆
I call bs again. People who have seen real small arms fire in a war tend not to talk about it because it's so traumatizing. I had several relatives who were in WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and my old karate instructor was in Gulf War 1. It's a traumatic experience which most of the people who survive it end up needing counseling for years after the fact.
@SeekerOfTruth007 ofc they have can issues as well but most of them know the risk by taking the job
"My husband stayed home on paternity leave for 3 months and literally had to start therapy after because it was so bad."
That sounds worse than you think.. Why did he need to go to therapy from staying home? Were y'all driving him crazy? He's around his wife and kids so why would he need to go to therapy for that? i would think it's better than being out working all the time.. Something about this explanation ain't adding up.. 🤔🤔..
@Joshydavid25 being at home like that with kids causes depression and mental health issues for both moms and dads. It's better for your health to be working rather than listening to babies cry all day
@Apple1996 hahahaha wow, you're even more delusional than I thought!😆😆 Do you genuinely believe that it was 3 months of staying at home that made your husband need therapy? I'm telling you right now, it was because being around you all day every day for 3 months was more unbearable than going into combat🤣
You've just completely exposed yourself. We all knew you were an unbearable being but now you've confirmed that even the love of your life knows it too.
Trust me, if you'd been going to work every day of those 3 months while he was at home, he would've come out in the best mental state he's ever known.
I can see how being around them all day can cause some anxiety if he wasn't used to it, but something as natural as parenthood causing mental health issues? 😅😅... Yikes..
@Joshydavid25 a lot of parents suffer so It's definitely not easy to be a parent especially depending on the child. Some kids are easy, some aren't so just depends
I mean suffering is a way to look at it.. I do get it though, some kids are not easy to handle most definitely.. So that means you're telling me that yours are not easy then.. But a lot of people live to deal with kids, and actually get health benefits out of it.. It does make it seem like kids are a curse but that's only because we got more selfish and self serving than anything..
@Joshydavid25 kids are a blessing but mental health cannot be control. Often times it's a hormonal imbalance
Yeah post partum depression.. I don't know I feel like it can.. They've done it for thousands of years up til this point... Somehow.. Even if it was people as a community..
Men and women do not act as groups against the other but individuals.
Historically most individual men have slaved away to support women and their common children.
Today more and more women chase away and bite the hand that fed them so they can slave away trying to do everything all by themselfs.
Perhaps in the delusion that they would still be chased by other men as they were in their younger per-child days. This is why a single mother who initiated the divorce better have a very good reasons for that, not simply that she "didn't love him anymore".
I am going to reiterate what Andrew Tate said.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/TrqbWpQhTGkNo money, no power, no sex > Not so much as being able to go on a basic walk in peace without being sexually objectified to filth.
I think through a system in our social structure too that allows them to ruin any girls they portray as a "witch" in a witch hunt, in a tale as old as time.
I knew a shy, quiet girl who retaliated against a guy who harassed her and injured him while doing so, and in return, his friends bullied her so badly she almost killed herself and had to drop out.
No. Just some made up cry baby feminists stuff. Ask a woman what rights a man has that she doesn't
It's not about rights, low IQ. Systematic patriarchal stink is still rampant. You pester us when we so much as dare leave the house.
Look at porn.
Porn is extremely degrading and objectifying to women as a collective, and yet, it is completely tolerate as though it is not the filthiest form of cancer on this earth.
No. Not unless we are talking about some strict Islamic state or something.
Western women? Not a chance. They sure love to screech as if they are poor little victims though.
Both men a women will unfortunately find ways to harass one another but in certain societies like middle eastern or some Asian/Afrcain places the harassment go high on women.
Did the world learn nothing from the American Revolutionary War where a relative handful of farmers, fishermen and small merchants defeated the most powerful army on earth with nothing but pitchforks and shovels?
You cannot be "oppressed" without your consent. If you are oppressed, it is your own fault.
Most women are free to date who they want and do what they want. Maybe in Afghanistan.
No, and today I would argue that women oppress men with the help of pathetic simps.
Yes. You consume porn, and pester us on the street. It makes it hard to so much as leave ones house. I've been home bound for over 10yrs due to this.
Which part? The stats are on my side. You are vermin.
No. Far more men watch porn than women who star in it. This is not comparable by any means.
retard rebuttal. majority of men watch porn. minority of women do porn.
"im not retarded !!! you are!!"
the topic of discussion here is who is statistically MORE of a stain on society. men are, given that they partake in porn watching more than women acting in porn.
1+1=5 in the males puny brain. pathetic little fuckworms, willing to make an embarrassment out of yourselves all because of that shitty male ego that refuses to admit when you're wrong.
In the past, men did even if not intentionally. Not so much now.
Mostly in human traffiing
That the real answer to your question
I think some do. But it's a very small percentage of men who are typically ignored, social outcasts to begin with.
You asked if men oppressed women. I said, "I think some do. But it's a very small percentage of men who are typically ignored, social outcasts to begin with."
Although I will say that I should have said that they *try* to oppress women rather than that they do oppress them, since generally the only women they are actually able to oppress is their wife or girlfriend. If they are able to obtain one.
Then you would be surprised. Such men have a hard time controlling anyone, I will agree to that much, but pretty much anyone who puts their hand at looking for it will be able to find someone weaker than themselves. And the lack of social interaction once they get that out of a woman actually helps them keep her under control.
@LazerBean what kinda crap is that. Ostracism, social exclusion, rejection, and bullying are the leading causes of social withdrawal aka becoming a social outcast. Having bad parents is a part of it, but it is in no way the only cause, or even the main cause of it.
Men oppress women in many countries, but not in the US where I live.
men oppress everything. we oppress each other.
not more than womans oppress mans. actually not just woman, whole world oppresses man.
Not particularly. They mostly cooperate as best they can to make their lives better.
Women like most things can't make uo their minds
When you take away their freedom to choose, you oppress them. When you choose to tear them down, you oppress their potential, and your own.
Pretty sure the stats on wealth worldwide would prove that yes even in the best countries, there’s a little oppression.
Some do, yes. You want to talk about sex trafficking?
You're way ahead of me then. I have seen Taken though.
We don't oppress women nearly as much as women sexually harass men. With their scantily clad outfits and, OF.😆😆😆
Some do, but not all. There those of treat women with great respect and honor.
In general no. But there are specific circumstances where anyone can press anyone. This is not a gender question
The male shovinists do.
Other way round imho,,,
Never in the USA but they may is some countries.
Nope, I don’t think so
Yes, it's fun! I beat my wife daily, I come home drunk, and I beat her.
Nope.
Nawwww
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