A pregnant Texas woman whose fetus has a fatal condition left the state to get an abortion elsewhere before the state Supreme Court on Monday rejected her unprecedented challenge of one of the most restrictive bans in the U. S.
Yeah I've read about that and the strange opinion by the Texas Supreme court https://www.txcourts.gov/media/1457645/230994pc.pdf said the reason that they asked the lower court to vacate the ruling was that it wasn't up to the courts to decide if an abortion was necessary that it was up to physicians and "their good faith judgement." So it wasn't up to the courts but Ken Paxton could still threaten the physicians with prosecution and appeal the decision. It gets better because before now I've read stories of Texas doctors not knowing who the final authority is to ensure they are in compliance with the law and not knowing where to turn. When the citation on the last page of the Texas supreme court says this.
"5 For an interpretation of the statute in the abstract, the law empowers
the Texas Medical Board to issue rules to regulate the practice of medicine.
TEX. OCC. CODE §§ 152.001, 153.001. The Board could assess various
hypothetical circumstances, provide best practices, identify red lines, and the
like. It has provided such needed guidance in other contexts, such as its
COVID-19, Guidance & Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs), available at
https://www.tmb.state.tx.us/page/coronavirus. And if the Board does provide
guidance, it can request an opinion from the Attorney General, who has
substantial civil-enforcement authority, regarding the legal effect of
physicians’ compliance with the Board’s guidance. See TEX. GOV’T CODE
§ 402.042(b)(5)."
So doctors should ask Texas Medical Board for guidance and it can also request an opinion from the Attorney General Ken Paxton. Got it.
No but the legislators should at least clarify the law, if doctors need to contact the state medical board to ensure compliance so be it, and if the state medical board has to contact then AG so be it. There needs to be some safeguard for doctors who feel they should act but don't want a felony charge and to lose their license since there are so many gray areas medicine.
a good example of the right going too far. She had the means and ability and support... imagine all the people that don't... and hold a grudge against the child... propagating the suffering in unimaginable ways.
It's why I don't agree with the right on this topic, how far they've go with their control.
I'm sorry for the little life though... always a tragedy. There are times... the doctors have been wrong... people had the kids... and the doctors... were wrong! people prayed for them and it worked out.
These are very personal decisions requiring commitment. If they don't work out, they've got a lifetime of added challenges.
Ultimately, the government needs to STFU... they have no right...
Frankly surprised they didn't put up an armed blockade.
The amazing thing is that she could have just left the state at any time and not made a political spectacle out of it. But here we are in clown world.
She made it political?
They made laws that outlawed her ability to make personal medical decisions, causing her to have to ASK permission of the court to receive care, and SHE’S the one who made it political?
LoL
Okay
@RainbowMarinade yes, she made it political. Did I stutter?
LoL “Did I stutter?”
Oh! I’m sorry. Are you one of those “I declared it, therefore it is so” types? 🙄
Please explain how being forced to have ask permission for a medical exception is her making political.
Wouldn’t those who created this situation be the ones who get the responsibility for making it political?
Think about it for a second
@RainbowMarinade couldn't she have just gone to another state rather than on TV?
@gorydetails
Do you consider anybody who stands up against government overstepping their bounds as “making it political?”
You believe everybody should just fall in line in an effort to prevent from “making it political?”
Like I said. Think about it for a second…. preferably BEFORE you respond
@RainbowMarinade I mean this is a great emotional story for you to have some fake moral outrage about to lead into the election cycle. By all means, keep it up.
@gorydetails
What a typically right wing position to hold.
They create a difficult situation where there wasn’t one, then blame everybody else when their not so well thought out plan shows itself to be shit.
And then they can rely on the likes of you to carry water for them and point to those affected by their subpar legislation by calling their actions “political.”
The Republican party thanks you for your unthinking and total dedication to them and their messaging.
They’re really gonna need you over the next year or so.
Can they count on you for a small, yet reoccurring, donation?
@RainbowMarinade You're just upset I'm not buying into your political theater. You're the type to feign offense when someone pronounces Kamala incorrectly.
@gorydetails
Upset? Nah! Your brand of ignorance is far too common to get upset over. 🤷♀️
I find it really, really sad how you consider a woman’s medical issues “political theatre” though.
But at least you have made your distain for women abundantly clear.
Another “she had sex, so she deserves to die” Pro-Lifer, huh?
@RainbowMarinade lmao. you're pulling out all the emotional catchphrases. Good job.
@gorydetails
Alright. I’ll let it go. I know you lack the ability to think your position right through to the end.
You read the words “political theatre” somewhere, and now you just want to throw it around like a new word of the day, without any real thought.
Then, in your now established typically right wing fashion, accuse me of doing exactly what you did. 🤣😂🤣😂
Take the win little buddy. 👍
You sure showed me.
🏆
@RainbowMarinade From the one who went for the "punish women for having sex". lol. Clown.
@gorydetails
🤷♀️
Every conversation I have had with a Pro-Lifer has, in the end, comes down to that. She had sex.
This is why they have no problem with forcing women to use her body to sustain the life of another, but are dead set against mandatory organ donation. I have been told it’s because they never did anything to cause someone to need their organ
Are you one of those people?
Or you support mandatory organ donation in an effort to saves lives?
@RainbowMarinade of course it comes down to that for you. Your understanding of the world is based on emotional manipulation.
Why should she keep quiet about it. Maybe the Texas legislators shouldn't have written should a vague law with no final authority on compliance if they didn't want it to become political. If no one says anything the law will never change or at the very least get clarified, because the legislators will say they haven't heard of anything bad happening and more bad things will happen.
@whirled_up_girl Is she concerned with her life or making political hay?
@gorydetails I think she is concerned for her life and angry that a barbaric law in Texas is forcing her to leave the state for care. It's not as if she's the only one either. Again why should people have to be quiet about unjust laws?
@whirled_up_girl If she was concerned for her life, she'd just go get care. She obviously had other agendas in mind.
@gorydetails So women should just stay quiet about injustices they experience because of unjust laws, so they don't upset everyone else who isn't being harmed? I for one commend her, these laws will never change unless someone takes a stand and she did. That's how most unjust laws get changed. If that's political, than fine. I'd rather be political than silent about injustice.
@whirled_up_girl I mean, all you have to do is understand that this is solely to drum up strife about abortion by the democrats to get the base riled up, rather than tackling actual problems that affect this country. And you can whine about killing babies all you want, but that pales in comparison to the shit show that the democrats have created in this country.
@gorydetails Okay, if that's how you want to see it. I see it is women showing the harm that happens from these extreme bans. Republicans like the head of the RNC talk about reasonable abortion bans but we can clearly see is many of them like the Texas law are anything but reasonable.
@whirled_up_girl The left are the ones who won't come out and take a stand against 3rd trimester abortions. They are the extremists.
@gorydetails So continue to vote for the right wing but don't expect women like this woman in Texas to not show the flaws of right wing laws when they can harm people.
@whirled_up_girl yup. And you'll continue to ignore the invasion of the southern border and out-of-control inflation in the meantime.
@gorydetails Yes, I realize that you being a man who cannot get pregnant and suffer complications you'll have different priorities than a woman. So keep voting for your best interests and I will do the same.
@whirled_up_girl yeah, my priorities are the country as a whole, not some fringe item that likely wouldn't happen to me. I guess that's the difference between being selfish and thinking of others.
@gorydetails Yeah, I mean how terrible of me caring about other women's lives and myself.
@whirled_up_girl You don't care if those women can't afford groceries, only that they can kill their babies. You might want to re-think your priorities.
@whirled_up_girl I care if women with non-viable pregnancies are being denied an abortion despite the risk it's posing to their health. You don't seem to care about women's lives at all, even if their health is at risk with a non-viable pregnancy. What kind of person does that make you?
@gorydetails Look you clearly show that you don't think women's lives have any value over these other things that you care about. If that's how you and the rest of the right wing think then fine but don't expect the rest of us to put the value of our lives beneath every other issue. Have a good day!
@whirled_up_girl lmao. I appreciate you completely saying something I never said. But nice try with the emotional manipulation.
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The laws held up in this case. The individual states had devised their own laws and the woman still had a choice to go elsewhere. Maybe the people in Texas will vote to expand access to an abortion after this.
The law worked to show people in Texas how terrible the narrow exceptions are, and how women carrying non-viable pregnancies could be harmed if they don't have the resources to travel elsewhere. Yeah, it did that for sure, as the poster mentioned this was a planned and wanted pregnancy, no one could stop the fatal genetic anomaly from occurring. These women are ones that get harmed when they laws are too vague and there is no final ruling authority about compliance with the law.
@whirled_up_girl that is true and now they have the opportunity to vote more abortion friendly leaders if that is what they want.
@exitseven Or at least legislators that don't write such vague laws which is what the problem is now. I can't understand why people like you think women should face heath risks rather than have an abortion on a non-viable fetus.
@whirled_up_girl I am pro choice but I think there needs to be a scientific study to determine whan a fetus becomes a baby. A non biased group of scientists need to do it. Not the Pope and not Joe Biden
Well, yeah I don't disagree with that but in this case the fetus was not likely to survive after birth. So I think this requires a different way of thinking than that of an elective abortion, particularly because the mother was having health problems that could have eventually been a risk her life. It is my opinion law needs more clarification, and it's the Texas medical board that can do that than they should become a known fact to doctors in Texas.
@whirled_up_girl yes, I think that this case should have been handled differently.
Yup let everyone see republicans for the truly horrific monsters they are. then we will vote them all out decisively next November
Good for her. Fuck Texas.
You people will be burning witches next.
How sad is this?
What lesson did she learn?
That pregnant women are second class citizens whose lives appear to have less value than others?
@RainbowMarinade women are responsible for their own reproductive rights not the government. Get pregnant and accept the consequences just as men have too with child support.
So women need to accept that having sex could cost them their lives, even though there are methods available to save their lives, because men have to pay child support?
My life has an equivalent value to your paycheck?
@RainbowMarinade self responsibility. No one asked you to get pregnant.
And I should accept that having sex could cost me my life because people like you don’t like the procedure that could save it?
You don’t refer to yourself as Pro-Life, do ya?
@RainbowMarinade it's your choice to have sex. Self responsibility for your own reproductive organs. If you are too stupid to use contraception that's on you.
I can appreciate how much work it is for you to totally avoid the point. It’s pretty impressive, but it doesn’t change the message you are sending.
Women who have had sex are worth less than those who have not.
Wrap it up in whatever bow makes you feel good. 🎁
@RainbowMarinade not necessarily. The women that are worth something accept personal responsibility and don't have a sense of entitlement.
I’m sorry. Does your definition of personal responsibility include dying when there is treatment that could save your life?
Is it a sense of entitlement to want to survive pregnancy and childbirth?
@RainbowMarinade now you are just being dramatic
@gorydetails
Dramatic?
Is that because you believe that women do not die in childbirth? That some don’t sustain lifelong issues from being pregnant and giving birth?
Have you ever actually known a pregnant woman?
@RainbowMarinade oh let's hear it. This should be good.
@RainbowMarinade if you think you are going to die in child birth don't get pregnant. Be honest you think abortion should be used as contraception
@RainbowMarinade I totally agree with you. Before modern medicine the risk of dying in childbirth was quite high. Now with modern medicine the risk is lower but it still exists. The idea that women should have to accept any risk to her health for a non-viable fetus is absolutely bizarre to me. That’s like saying because she was born female she should reject modern medicine if she gets pregnant and has complications. It makes no sense.
@whirled_up_girl so take contraception
@opinion-owner Yes, let's all use contraception and let the population die out. You seem to be suggesting that women who want children should be willing to die in the process if a medical problem should occur despite modern medicine having a solution. Medical problems usually happen after women have decided to get pregnant and have a family. Most major risks cannot be predicted ahead of time. I work in the health care profession so I know this first hand. Your response to take contraception only makes sense for women who don't want children. However, as I said for women who do want children but have the misfortune of having a medical emergency, sometimes are advised an abortion is necessary. To say it shouldn't be allowed in a medical emergency that cannot be predicted ahead of time is like saying we should reject modern medicine. In no other situation except for maybe Amish people or those who practice Christian Science are people suggesting to reject modern medicine, why should abortion be any different? If the fetus isn't viable it is going to die anyway, and if the mother dies before it is viable the fetus will die too. Now for a viable fetus after 24 weeks they can induce labor to save the mother, and no abortion would necessary.
Wouldn't surprise me
This is so sad 😔
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