Do you believe the Pandemic was a "Plandemic" ?

[Katebfun]

If so what is your theory?

Yes

No

[lightbulb27]

I wouldn't say plan.. I'd say it was invitable. USA studied this stuff long time and funded China for gain of function... whom the F approved that? Should be outlawed globally. What are they thinking? Oh... they are thinking... how can we control human population for purposes of oppression and war.

It is possible it was to some extent... designed... as a way to limit population. But that is sort of insane since those that create it, cannot protect themselves from it either. That said... they make decisions like this for war and don't always consider the consequences.

I wonder... how many high level officials, billionaires and such... died of covid-19? What did this do to human population and the "top heavy" costs of caring for the older and retired?

In a sense... it was like "trimming a tree" of human population. It is possible someone did this intentional and could have been at high level or low level. There are mentally ill people in the world ya know... takes one emotionally distraught person to break a beeker... people do commit suicide...

[RavVid]

It went around the world so sure was a pandemic.

Theory as to it's origin? It certainly came from China and China allowed overseas travel whilst shutting down internal travel ensuring it spread widely. WHO was certainly complicit in this because China was a big funder and had effectively bought them off.

Fauci was complicit in working around US regulations and tendering work out to China. It was a FITH idea to invent viruses that might naturally evolve to get a head start but even more FITH to contract out the work to an inadequate Wuhan lab. Oh I didn't mention handing over the technology to build viruses to China did I

There is possibly a slight chance of a natural evolution because of how viruses recombine in the cells making some mix of multiple viruses but if there was close progenitor that had been found it would have been screamed out by this stage lets assume no progenitor has been found.

So it is a lab creation at Wuhan.

How is the law suite going - anybody heard an update?

[Siri137]

If the epidemic was "planned" by anyone, it was planned by the Chinese Communist Party, but I prefer to believe that the release of this virus from their bio-lab was accidental, and then they tried to cover it up. Communist countries aren't exactly known for caring much about the safety of the general population, or the environment, or anything else really.

[PBandJ_Nerd]

No. We had a pandemic because of a virus outbreak that could kill you if not treated right away. Thankfully the virus gets weaker and will kill itself out, eventually.

[Anonymous]

Of course. Pretty much everything in history that has happened or will happen in the future is planned. Just the same as 9/11. I remember WTC 7 was reported as having fallen by the BBC, but it was still standing in the background. Eventually it fell. There used to be this video on YouTube, this firefighting captain informing all his men to get out of the tower. He told them there’s a bomb in the basement. Now it’s no longer there. A lot of the videos we see on news, pics, etc, are simply recycled. Many people won’t remember pics from different events so they recycle them. The younger generation won’t know much of this other than what they’re told so it’s easy to reuse pics and videos. Just the same as when certain pics were used in one of these school shootings of people standing there holding up pics of the kids who died were the same pics they used overseas when the US supposedly dropped a bomb on the wrong building. The building was supposedly a school. The same pics they showed in Europe of an ER during the pandemic was the same one used showing an ER in NYC. What happened to the flu when COVID hit? It pretty much disappeared, now we’re talking about it again. Look up event 201. This was about control, about money, that’s all it’s ever about.

[sawno]

They had the virus in a lab where it evolved faster than naturally possible, and October 18 there was a world paramilitary games event in Wuhan.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/gCdAY-AOG-o

In that video at 1:56:13 they symbolize a united nations medical / military takeover with the gloves.

The exact same day was Event 201 simulating the virus : https://archive.org/details/og-event201

They had enough time to develop a plushie:

Its not concrete evidence, but it surely makes you think doesn't it?

[msc545]

Yes, we all know that YouTube videos on the internet of course are always true, right?

[goaded]

It makes me think, but I won't say what because that would be unkind.

[goaded]

"evolved faster than naturally possible" It's mutated significantly how many times in 3 years?

[sawno]

@goaded Not that significant.
@msc545 You clearly didn't watch it otherwise you would not be saying that.

[msc545]

YouTube videos basically don't mean shit.

[sawno]

@msc545 Again you are proving you didn't even watch it. But ill spoil it for you, it was a live broadcast of a ceremony during the world paramilitary games. Pure raw evidence of that event, there is no commentary on it. If you dismiss that because the video happens to be on YouTube you are absolutely unwilling to use your eyes.

[goaded]

Yeah, wearing gloves while marching has to be all about covid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xvXMEnwyYM

Oh, and China's been part of UN peacekeeping forces for decades.

"Over the past 30 years, China's armed forces have contributed a growing number of peacekeepers across an expanding range of deployments. From a few military observers at the outset of its involvement, China's armed forces are now sending both formed units and military professionals. Chinese military peacekeepers serve on the UN missions in engineer, medical, transport, helicopter, force protection and infantry units, and as staff officers, military observers and seconded officers. Chinese military peacekeepers have left their footprints in over 20 countries and regions including Cambodia, the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), Liberia, Sudan, Lebanon, Cyprus, South Sudan, Mali and the Central African Republic. They have made a tremendous contribution to facilitating the peaceful settlement of disputes, safeguarding regional security and stability, and promoting economic and social development in host nations."
english.scio.gov.cn/.../content_76716768_4.htm

[milyjohn]

Fauci now says that social distancing was all bullshit! LOL

I've said before on this site that Covid 19 became a religion for the left. Just like climate change.

When Trump tried to protect us by banning flights from China, the left called him a racist. The left loved and wanted this pandemic.

[msc545]

Yeah you're right. Of course. Nobody could possibly fake a video or modify it right?

[sawno]

@msc545 You are going to claim that the youtube channel of a chinese TV channel which livestreamed an official ceremony for an event is modified? -.-
With that attitude you will never find any information about anything.

[msc545]

No, of course it is not modified. We all know the Chinese are not capable of such a thing, right?

[goaded]

@msc545 It's not modified, they're simply drawing ridiculous conclusions. (You only have to watch a minute or two at 1:56:00.) They're all wearing gloves at 0:09:40, too, and I expect throughout the performance. China's military takes part in UN security forces. They've taken 2 + 2 and decided that makes 678,424i.

[milyjohn]

@goaded
You couldn't get a hair cut during Covid, because that wasn't an essential service.
Coffee, on the other hand, was a horse of a different color!!!

[sawno]

@goaded "they're simply drawing ridiculous conclusions" I am distinctly not drawing conclusions. This whole post was some speculative fun, as I quote "Its not concrete evidence". There is no concrete evidence the whole thing was pre-planned other than the Event201 part which holds more merrit.

[goaded]

There are, to be fair, indications that covid was already spreading in Wuhan in October 2019. I can easily imagine politicians of any country refusing to cancel a major international event because of a "few cases of the sniffles" (as someone might erroneously have described it).

People rehearse what to do in various disasters all the time, it's what governments and rescue organisations do all the time. The Obama failed to interest Trump's people in learning how to prepare for a pandemic, back in 2017.

If you just meant it in fun, I apologise. It's very hard to distinguish satire from reality these days because reality is often weirder. Just consider all the people who are saying Trump's never lied or done anything wrong.

[sawno]

@goaded It was in the middle, the truth is that there are signs pointing towards it being preplanned but there is no concrete evidence leaving it up in the air so I will give a bit more serious speculation

China alledges they are not responsible for the virus because it was released by a foreign nation during this event. Meanwhile on the exact same day they held the simulation of a corona virus pandemic a few months before it happened for real.

Those are arguments in favor of it being preplanned by a foreign nation.

Then you have the wuhan lab of virology who was experimenting with a bat corona virus right across the street from that foodmarket they claimed was the origin. Its highly plausible a researcher got bitten, infected the local foodmarket and it got covered up once they realize what happened. The military games event being a scapegoat for china. The virus was already commonly spreading by November / December and most of my friends had it around that time which was why quarentine was never going to work.

There is also an argument that the virus doesn't exist and they hyped up an unrelated virus for a power grab. The argument for this is that they never properly isolated the virus and all the vaccines were artificial creations as a result, with the virus being "discovered" trough computer sequencing.

In all that chaos its very difficult to form an opinion on the real origin. I'm personally imore nterested in the ongoing WHO powergrab that will make world wide lockdowns possible again without our nations having much say over it. And with it going above my countries constitution.

[goaded]

"Meanwhile on the exact same day they held the simulation of a corona virus pandemic a few months before it happened for real."
(a) Who's "they"?
(b) What about all the other times people played out corona virus pandemics and one didn't happen?
(c) Why was the Wuhan lab investigating the virus? Because it had enormous capability to become a pandemic.

You're blaming the actions taken to avoid a pandemic from the SARS virus (which first broke out in 2002, so there have been nearly two decades of research) for the pandemic.

Your last two paragraphs are pure bullshit.

[sawno]

Originally I had a rebuttal but you keep going back on the speculative side that isn't interesting. So I am not going to play that game and deleted my reply to all your 3 points because we can keep going back and forth on this but you keep failing to see its me speculating on various possibilities what happened rather than me finding it the most credible theory.

Meanwhile the actually important things I pointed out which is that pandemic treaty power grab that is currently taking place you call complete bullshit and don't even go in on.

So to start you off, I am not American neither are you. Which means our constitutions differ, and while I am not familiar with the german consitutition the Dutch one dictates that international treaty's bypass our constitution. So any constitutional protection on bodily integrity is completely void if its the WHO making a decision trough this treaty, if they agree that countries should implement a lockdown or a vaccine mandate my government is then authorized to comply and they have a pattern of complying and then blaming it on the international body. That concerns me heavily.

Secondly, the isolation of the virus. If the virus is isolated point me to a traditional vaccine they developed when the vaccines were being developed that was based on a sterilized virus. And point me to someone who can confirm that this virus was indeed correctly isolated to produce this. If it could be done it should have been done as an alternative to the synthetic vaccines which I objected to take. If it had been dead virus without dangerous adjectives a lot more vaccine skeptics would have considered taking it, so it would have been in their best interest to develop such a vaccine. Yet, the only ones available were MRNA vaccines and transvector vaccines, why is that?

[goaded]

"Inactivated virus vaccines authorized in China include the Chinese CoronaVac[79][80][81] and the Sinopharm BIBP[82] and WIBP vaccines; there is also the Indian Covaxin; later this year, the Russian CoviVac;[83] the Kazakh vaccine QazVac;[84] and the Iranian COVIran Barekat.[85] Vaccines in clinical trials include the Valneva COVID‑19 vaccine.[86][unreliable source?][87] "

[sawno]

@goaded Odd we didn't get them in the west, but that does indeed push the reasoning towards virus exists and broke out from the lab rather than didn't exist at all. I was already on the assumption there was a real virus but I thought the chinese stuff came much later in to it. Makes it pretty much confirmed there was a virus leaving all those other deniers there wasn't one without an argument.

[goaded]

You know you can simply look up all the answers to your questions. But I guess that's not as much fun as pretending there's some worldwide conspiracy.

[Lliam]

100%. Every bit of it. They planned a pandemic for decades. Through gain of function research, they deliberately created viruses that were easily transmissible to humans. It all fits with the eugenicist ideals of many global elites like Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab, among others.

SARS-1, in 2002, was a result of their gain of function research. The plotters didn't have all their ducks in a row, though, and it petered out before they could mount a full terror campaign. But they learned from their mistake and planned their next engineered pandemic much more carefully.

[milyjohn]

And Fauci helped fund it with our tax dollars. And it wouldn't surprise me if we're still funding it.

[normalice]

No. These things happen. It was more of a "no-plan-demic" as the barest modicum of effort in the US to take it seriously probably would have spared millions of lives. But instead our idiot president tried to turn it into a wedge issue some could campaign off it.

[normalice]

*so he could campaign off it." I do wish autocorrect would always consider the "m" might have been a space bar.

Also, it does seem worth mentioning that all this "plandemic" nonsense seems obviously to to be the classic narcissists tactic of using grievance to deflect blame for a mistake. Trump messed up. If he would have simply taken the situation seriously and deferred to those whose job itnis to be deferred to in times like those, he would still be president. But he wanted his goto method of mocking the problem and using it to stir up his base to work out for him, and it didn't. I think his base wanted that to work out, too, and were dismayed by how many people just wanted him to take the job seriously when it got serious. So they are using this plandemic nonsense to explain why all these people came out of the woodowrks, instead of facing the fact that they are outnumbered by people who aren't as inclined to rely on wishful thinking as they are..

[goaded]

Don't forget that Trump's administration ignored the advice about pandemics from the Obama administration, blowing off wargames, etc., back in 2017.

[normalice]

@goaded yeah, pretty much the entire Trump presidency seemed to be about proving competence wasn't necessary in a president, to show that Obama wasn't necissarily smart just because the country was running smoothly while he was president. But despite the fact that they ended up proving the opposite - that competence actually matters quite a bit - they are determined *for some reason* to try again now that democrats have cleaned up so many of their messes.

[goaded]

Every recession in America since Truman, apart from 6 months in Carter's term, started on a Republican president's watch.

[msc545]

@goaded Every war that America was involved in since WW II was started by a Republican President.

[goaded]

@msc545 Clinton intervened in Kosovo. (I know a guy who was very happy it happened.)

[DextroShade]

More like scamdemic. The virus is real but the danger it posed was dramatically overinflated and used as a test run by the globalists to see what kind of authoritarian bullshit they could get away with forcing on the population. The sick part is how many people, especially on the left, went along with and even acted to enforce the unnecessary bullshit restrictions on the globalists behalf as if it made them good people. The people who were wearing masks in their cars by themselves should be singled out for extermination.

[DryGermanGuy]

It's Covid-Nineteen. So the other 18 viruses were all plandemics, too? Damn, those CIA-WEF lizard people have been bizzy!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Classification

[goaded]

O! Nose!

[sawno]

Poasibly sars1 but not the regular corona viruses. Corona viruses have always been around which is how they were able to have a virus to begin with. You create a bioweapon virus by modifying an existing virus, not from scratch.

[jshm2]

They can't even plan for a flu season EVERY YEAR.

But somehow all the worlds pharma companies, and governments automagically planned a deadly virus to "carefully" kill only a few million companies and people to boot. Leaving their economies more reliant on China and the Arabs.

Yeah right!

[ProbablyClueless]

Nah... I think the pandemic was a genuine mistake that got hella capitalized on. It's pretty obvious that it came from the Wuhan lab because they were conducting research that never should have been happening in the first place. The outbreak happened because of incompetence and then people made the problem 1000x worse than it needed to be by losing their fucking minds.

[Dargil]

Not exactly. I don't claim the Chinese did it deliberately. I think careless researchers spread it by accident and the Chinese government exploited it by flying infected people to the USA. But the US Government exploited it with bogus distancing, masking and unproven vaccines. Look for "Spectre" (the Swamp) to perpetrate another strain in advance of the 2024 election to facilitate stealing it again with mail in ballots.

[msc545]

Yeah sure. Everybody's making viruses and releasing them into the wild in order to get back at Trump. I hate to break this to you but Trump is not nearly as important in other places as apparently he is in the US.

[Dargil]

@msc545 Congratulations. Another nugget of illogic.

[msc545]

I'm not here to appeal to your peculiar sense of what is logical and what isn't based on whether or not people agree with you.

[Jersey2]

It was the Wu Flu. The US government funded the research and it got out and killed millions of people. Then the US and Chinese governments covered it up as best they could but it was identified as an engineered bug.

So many Biden supporters believed it was from the wet market but now its out and acknowledged but they will vote for him again.

[purplepoppy]

Governments haven't the intelligence to mastermind something like that on a global scale.

[goaded]

They never consider how hard it is to organise a surprise party with 40 people when considering how hard it would be to fool 4 billion.

[sawno]

You could watch the Event201 stuff if you want ro know what their simulated scenario looked like. Based of that you can get a feeling how they act when its a simulated event.

[Anonymous]

To me it seems like a test run to see how bad things need to be for people to realize that the government has bad intentions. We failed that shit test miserably and now we are going to face far worse things.

15 minute cities, the abolishment of meat and resorting to eat bugs instead, the abolishment of cash to make it easier for the government to threaten their dissidents, the economy will be in shambles because the state will be completely involved, the possession of land so people can't buy it and live independently from the government. All of which the government and organizations like the WEF are straight up telling us they will do.

We are in for a rough time friends. I hope people wake up to the fact that none of this is justified.

[Anonymous]

There were too many "coincidences" around the "Pandemic" for it to be a natural occurrence, also the WHO held back Data it had received about the "Wuhan Outbreak" from Taiwan which ended up with the "Virus" showing up in places half a world apart almost simultaneously.

[BoopBoopBeep]

I work for the government, we're not competent enough to pull that off.

[goaded]

That, I can 100% agree with!

[BoopBoopBeep]

@goaded F'ing takes 100 of us three months to plan a Christmas party and get the location and snacks down, and even then 20 or so will show up and the wrong place/time... but we can engineer a virus and cause massive global pandemic in order to... short cruise lines and go long JNJ? I think I missed the final act of that conspiracy.

[goaded]

Clearly, you didn't organise a good enough party in 2018!

[BoopBoopBeep]

@goaded Haha I prefer to stay at home... I just dip in at first to steal some snacks. "Parties" all end the same. You regret your choices, you feel sick the next day, somehow you got F'ed by the end of it but not in a good way.

[Levin]

I don't think it matters. Either way, it was a grotesque over-reaction.

All of the responses were unscientific and stupid.

[goaded]

Yeah, "natural immunity" (against a novel virus) worked so well in the UK. That's why it's just two places below the USA in deaths per million. Both over 50% higher than Germany, which took it seriously.

That's about 77,000 deaths in the UK, and 400,000 in the US. And, yes, Germany has nutcases who are anti-mask and anti-vaccine, too.

[Levin]

@goaded Yes, and Sweden had 'liberal' policies with regard to the virus and fared much better than the UK. Different policies between the states didn't yield drastically different results. Most of the deaths were probably iatrogenic. The first wave a good chunk were the UK government's incompetence, releasing care home patients back into their care homes to be killed, no doubt hastened with midazolam. The second wave were probably largely slaughtered with the quackzine.

It's not about taking something seriously; it's about what is scientific, what actually works, common sense and balancing the costs of something against the apparent benefits. Being able to see the wood from the trees helps.

Being anti-'vaccine' and anti-mask were the only rational approach. In the under 40 age range you had 5x more chance of offing yourself than dying from convid. Masking was pure theatre and hullabaloo. Only applied for the sheer human psychological weakness and magical thinking of 'we must do something, we must make some sacrifice, we must be good and then we will get our reward'. Sticking some masks on a spitting dummy and calling it science that can be extrapolated to the real world is hogwash.

Oh, and my approach is that people need to lose weight, get on a fucking treadmill or go for a walk, eat anti-oxident rich foods. That's just the start. I will whip the lazy fat fuckers into shape. 40% of Americans are obese. All of that is far more effective than the quackzine. But people not being lazy fucks and being reliant on the state no doubt is more conspiracy theory in your mind.

Good luck with your perpetual sickness by trusting the $cience.

[Levin]

by the way, natural immunity was the only rational approach, because clearly, that's what eventually happened. All the convid zealots ended up allegedly getting the virus about 5 times. Most of them had it in early 2020. People kept on getting sick throughout the whole escapade. The vaccine didn't appear to do shit. People get sick, their immune system learns from it. This is the natural course.

[goaded]

Sweden could have saved 5000 by acting like Germany. Probably more because of their society being more personally isolationist. I'll tell you what, I had zero chance of "offing myself", because that's not a random thing, it's personal, a choice. The virus is not.

Natural immunity simply means letting people die who don't have to. Vaccines work to reduce that number. The UK worked that out, eventually.

77,000 brits died because of people like you.

[KittygosMeoWW]

Yes, there were so many cases two towns away and come to find out there was a lab by a supermarket testing on mice. The mice had all these crazy diseases and they were escaping the lab and contaminating the food.

[shortster]

Yes the original plan was to release it after they finished developing the vaccine for it. But since they went with a Chinese laboratory; the government got someone to release it early to take the heat off of them for the Hong Kong protests.

[milyjohn]

Anyone with a working brain knows this was a scam. And Democrats were leading the charge.

[Billlewis]

It was obviously created at least in part specifically to enable the Dems to steal the 2020 presidential election, although that's not the only reason it was brought about.

[msc545]

No, of course not. This is a republican and trumpian conspiracy theory. Again. There is no evidence that this virus was created by men.

[goaded]

Even if it was, it doesn't excuse the poor response to it. Frankly, if it was released on purpose, why would China release it in China? It's more likely that the US released it, in that case.

[sawno]

There definitely was evidence, ths problem is that search engines and medical journals were biases against it so its extremely hard for me to find those papers back.

[ProbablyClueless]

This was what the House investigative committee found: oversight.house.gov/.../

Apparently, the evidence suggests that the virus was man made, but that the outbreak itself was accidental. Which... to me... intuitively lines up with what we saw from government officials. The amount of ass covering, blame gaming and general obfuscation around Covid was wild.

[goaded]

@ProbablyClueless And we all know Mr Comer would never cherry pick evidence to support Republican talking points.

"Comer: “Was there science available to make such an unequivocal statement against the possibility of a lab leak that early on in February of 2020?”

Witnesses Dr. Metzl, Mr. Wade, and Dr. Redfield all answered, “No.”

Comer: “Is the possibility COVID-19 leaked from a lab a conspiracy theory?”

Witnesses answered, “No.”"

That's all very well, but there was equally no "science available to make such an unequivocal statement" FOR "the possibility of a lab leak that early on in February of 2020"; that's what made those claims "a conspiracy theory", and dangerous.

When considering something that could be a natural coincidence, a cock-up, or a deliberate act, in the absence of evidence, it's best to assume the first, especially if claiming the last will predictably lead to violence against and probably deaths of innocent people.

"In 2020, 279 hate crime incidents against individuals of Asian descent were reported, compared to 158 incidents reported in 2019."
abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=80746198

"More Than 9,000 Anti-Asian Incidents Have Been Reported Since The Pandemic Began"
www.npr.org/.../anti-asian-hate-crimes-assaults-pandemic-incidents-aapi

[goaded]

Oh, and you do understand that the focus on the origin is to avoid talking about Trump's response to the pandemic, such as lying about it being airborne and not publically wearing a mask, which is completely unrelated.

[ProbablyClueless]

@goaded You either trust science, or you don't. You don't get to only trust science when it's convenient for you. If you actually cared about the deaths of innocent people, you wouldn't have supported policies that destroyed their economic opportunities and mental health through ineffective lockdown measures.

It is categorically untrue that there wasn't evidence to support the claim that Covid came from a lab in Feb 2020. That was the most obvious thing on the planet. Way more obvious than the virus coming from nature. You had a brand new virus that we've never seen before, appearing for the first time ever, across the street from a big-ass lab that specializes in researching the exact same kind viruses as the new one.

But if you want to change the subject to Trump's response instead, we can talk about that. If not a "Chinese Virus," China being the name of the country the virus was found in, what other naming convention would we follow? A virus that comes from China is a Chinese virus. And hate crime rates dropped overall during the time that Asians hate increased. www.csusb.edu/.../...te%202020%20rev%203.21.21.pdf

In audio where Trump called the virus airborne, he also cited the grossly inaccurate statistic of a 5% mortality rate for Covid. That, if you'll recall, was the best information people had available. If you're going to criticize the man, do so in the accurate context of what was going on. www.politico.com/.../trump-coronavirus-bob-woodward-412222

Trump may not have been wearing a mask in public, but later studies made it perfectly clear that masks weren't effective at slowing the transmission anyway.

[goaded]

@ProbablyClueless I trust science, but I can also spot a misleading narrative.

Comer asks whether an unequivocal rejection of the idea of a lab leak was possible in 2020, but intentionally doesn't ask the same question about the rejection of a natural origin. The answer would also have been no. Nobody could have said either way at the time, but that's what the conspiracy theorists were doing, putting the blame on scapegoats.

Then he asks about the situation today, when the evidence could go either way, but fails to ask whether a natural origin theory is also likely (and there's research that shows it's more likely than not).

Now to your baseless assertions:
"Way more obvious than the virus coming from nature"
No, because the outbreak was not near the lab, and the virus was anything but "brand new", that's why the lab was built in the first place, to study the virus that had already made the leap to humans 20 years ago.

"grossly inaccurate statistic of a 5% mortality rate for Covid"
Nope, that was the figure, still, months later in mid 2020, still. It's gone down a lot since because of less deadly variants and vaccines.
OK, now the USA has reached 1 million confirmed cases, and over 50,000 deaths, are the death rates (5%) wrong, or is testing inadequate? ↗

The point about his knowing about it being airborne by February is that that was information he hid from the population. People were wiping down surfaces rather than staying apart.

"later studies made it perfectly clear that masks weren't effective at slowing the transmission anyway"
Simply a lie.

www.bloomberg.com/.../do-masks-work-against-covid-what-science-says

news.ku.edu/.../study-hundreds-lives-saved-in-kansas-counties-with-mask-mandates
"“Our research found that masks reduced cases, hospitalizations and deaths in counties that adopted them by around 60% across the board.”"

[ProbablyClueless]

@goaded Wow... I had no idea you were this disconnected from reality... I don't even know where to begin a conversation like that. If you think anything I said was less than 100% corroborated by indisputable fact, you need more help than I can provide.

[goaded]

@ProbablyClueless What a load of bullshit. You really live down to your name.

Try addressing the facts I posted, rather than just slinging out insults.

[ProbablyClueless]

@goaded Nothing you posted is a fact. If you'd like a response, try again. And this time, state a claim with particularity and provide your evidence for making it.

[goaded]

@ProbablyClueless Everything I posted was a fact, and referenced evidence.

[ProbablyClueless]

@goaded No sir. Try again.

[ProbablyClueless]

Try something along the lines of "I think [name] did [thing] because of [source]."

[goaded]

@ProbablyClueless This is pathetic, but OK. I think you lied when you said "later studies made it perfectly clear that masks weren't effective at slowing the transmission anyway" because of the two sources I already posted:
www.bloomberg.com/.../do-masks-work-against-covid-what-science-says
news.ku.edu/.../study-hundreds-lives-saved-in-kansas-counties-with-mask-mandates

Exactly the same assertion, exactly the same evidence that you ignored the first time.

[ProbablyClueless]

@goaded This is not pathetic; it's making you own a stance for a change. Quotes from your
own sources:

"“We thought masks would matter for certain cases, but the effect size for hospitalizations and deaths being the same rate was pretty astonishing,” Ginther said" Indicating that masks may have had a mild impact on reducing the spread among people who weren't at risk from Covid, but it made no difference in transmission for the populations that it actually mattered in. news.ku.edu/.../study-hundreds-lives-saved-in-kansas-counties-with-mask-mandates

and, your expert witness here directly says that the
"“The authors of the review noted many limitations to the available evidence, so the review was not actually able to answer the question of whether the masks themselves reduce the risk of respiratory viruses,” Wallace says." www.bloomberg.com/.../do-masks-work-against-covid-what-science-says

And on top of all that; the CDC study she cited to claim that masks work was based on self reported data that ignores the possibility that the kind of person who regularly wears a mask is less likely to have contact with the public anyway.

[goaded]

@ProbablyClueless Oh, and I see your stance is misrepresentation and lies.

The first quote is saying that masks had a massive effect in all cases, not just where they expected them. The second is Cochraine, the publishers, critiquing their own review that anti-maskers like you point at to pretend that masks didn't work.

If you want to prove me wrong, post links to "later studies [you claim] made it perfectly clear that masks weren't effective at slowing the transmission anyway".

Next one: I think you were lying when you said the virus was "brand new". It's a variant of the 2002 SARS virus, not to mention thousands of similar viruses.

[sawno]

Just so you don't miss out on this next time something leaks, this is the kind of stuff they are currently up to: www.msn.com/.../ar-AA1n5Oje

[goaded]

@sawno You mean that virus that already infects pangolins in the wild? Why would anyone want to study ways to protect humans from it before it makes the jump? It's also evidence that can be used to convice China to regulate wet markets.

www.biorxiv.org/.../2024.01.03.574008v1.full.pdf

[sawno]

@goaded Where is the evidence it would ever mutate enough to make the jump in our lifetimes?

[goaded]

@sawno The other Coronaviruses that have made the jump are proof that it could, and you're ignoring the fact that you have zero evidence that it couldn't.

You might as well say that people should go out in thunderstorms with umbrellas.

[Anonymous]

It was only a test run to see how people would react to the restrictions and requirements.

[Bklynbadboy12]

It was definitely planned shit like that just doesn't happen

[goaded]

Looking at the results, the planet is doomed, isn't it?

[Gavinandella45]

do you want to marry me

[Katebfun]

Yes. I do.

[Jennz6]

But I believe that China 🇨🇳 caused it

[msc545]

Oh sure. China created it. After all. They have nothing better to do and they were bored right?

[goaded]

@msc545 Then they let it loose in... China.

[sawno]

@msc545 The wuhan lab of virology had articles about experimentation with bat viruses on their website originally, I know because I was smart enough to check their website early on. They have taken them down.

[msc545]

@sawno oh sure. So convenient for you.

[sawno]

@msc545 Inconvenient actually, search engines don't work on archive. org so it makes it much harder to proof. Most of all the good early evidence has been scrubbed so it makes my job 10 times harder and I often have to rely on what little information I still have links to when I convince others.

[goaded]

@sawno Doesn't your browser have a history?

[sawno]

@goaded it does not, certainly not from all the way back in the first months of 2020.

[msc545]

The browser history has the length You want.

[sawno]

@msc545 Even if I did want it to be forever, we are talking about late 2019 early 2020 here. The laptop that happened on isn't even on one piece anymore.

[msc545]

Yet another bad choice on your part.

[goaded]

@sawno "The wuhan lab of virology had articles about experimentation with bat viruses on their website originally, I know because I was smart enough to check their website early on. They have taken them down."
english.whiov.cas.cn/.../t20190308_206697.html
english.whiov.cas.cn/.../t20190108_203772.html
english.whiov.cas.cn/.../
english.whiov.cas.cn/.../t20171212_187692.html

Yeah, totally scrubbed.

[sawno]

@goaded Glad you found them back, as you can see they removed the search function of the site. My own search engine didn't show the results when I tried searching for it.
Either way this demonstrates they conducted experiments with viruses and bats, it was one of the many things they do. Which makes the lab leak theory a plausible one.

[goaded]

@sawno Maybe they were never gone. Maybe your search engine just shows you what you want to see. Maybe you might like to consider whether that's a good thing or not.

They did research into bat viruses that had spread to people before. It's never been impossible it escaped from the lab, but people claiming that it definitely did were doing so with zero evidence and without regard to the damage their words would do.

The focus on the origin is to take people's eyes off the responses to the pandemic, which led to the US being number 16 in the world for deaths per million (and the UK 18th), both with about 60% higher death rate than, say, Germany. That implies they could have saved a third of their people who died. (China, Russia, North Korea, etc. probably all lied about their deaths, but I'd say all three countries I listed gave accurate figures.)

[worldscolide]

I do, though I be it was intentional.

[Crankor]

It was hyped up to be that way for many reasons.

[Anonymous]

Yes I do.