Does darker skin mean more racism?

[OddBeMe]

Nikki Haley thinks the US ain’t racist. But she did change her name as Trump keeps calling her…or at least uses a nickname to get buy. People like La’Shandra may disagree with her.

Yes

No

[Sasahara]

According to the type of people who think white people can’t be victim of racism, probably yeah? If everyone where "white", in theory nobody would be face racisim if we take looney leftists words on the matter.

And no country is inherently racist, so she is right. And as she says, that does not mean there is no racism there. Just look at all the racist things that has been said about Clarence Thomas for example.

You yourself has stated you think racism is the only way to fight racism Odd.

Affirmative action is racist? Do you think so?

[getwiththepg]

Racism isn’t just someone calling me a n**. It’s more complex than that. It’s stuff like having your resume thrown out because your name was difficult to pronounce. Look at how many people anglicize their name when they come to a Western country just as a start.

[Sasahara]

@getwiththepg You sure you ment to replie to me? This question is "Does darker skin mean more racism?" And leftists has said that white people can’t be victims of racism, so it stand to reason that if all people were "white" nobody could face racism by their logic.

To adress your replie, using words starting with n is so upsetting to some losers that Japanese Apex players got banned for saying run away in Japanese, nigeru, because its too similar to that bad word. So if you want to tell someone n words are not racism, tell it to the SJWs.

[OddBeMe]

Whit people and Indian people (Nikki) can be victims of racism, but it’s far less than dark black skinned people…I would imagine.

The entire point of racism is being tribal and looking at the “other”.

[Sasahara]

@OddBeMe Good that you are able to see at least they can be victims of racism, I have witnessed SJWs who claims the contrary.

[OddBeMe]

Of course, any one can. Male flight attendants are marginalized somehow I’m sure. But it’s by how much. I’d much rather be a male flight attendant than black. Sorry.

[handsomelad70]

To quote my late, great father , Nikki Haley is as full of s**t as a Christmas turkey. First of all, in Charleston, S. C., the state she governed (poorly, I may add), there's a slave auction block.(This is important to me because my great-grandparents were Maryland slaves.) How did Haley think slaves came from Africa, and why were they brought to the Americas? (Even Haley admits that some goobers called the cops on her Sikh father, was was bearded and had a kirpan [ceremonial sword] in his belt because said peckerwoods did not care for a brown man in their Bubba space.
Secondly, why does Haley feel impelled to use her middle name, Nikki, rather than her Indian first name, Niminrata, which Trump has mocked to further other her?( Haley's fellow Indian former Governor, Louisiana's Piyush "Bobby" Jindal, took his nickname from "The Brady Bunch's youngest brother, Bobby, perhaps to make himself appear more truly American and less Indian.)
Haley MUST lie to the white supremacist-laden Republican party voters to get their votes and appear the grateful, industrious"model minority" who, unlike blacks (in their racist beliefs) kept their head down, never complained and became high achievers despite the bigotry they faced while climbing the ladder.

[getwiththepg]

@Sasahara white people can’t be victims of racism. They hold the power. Also tell me of when a white person was ever enslaved by another party other than white people, beside the Irish Slave Trade which never existed but yet people still believed happened. 20 years ago white people were all over the billboards & commercials, much less government.

[getwiththepg]

@handsomelad70 colonization in India was crazy. The fairer skinned Indians were given titles off prestige while the dark skinned ones were relegated to being farmers. It’s so bad that Indian people don’t even recognize that they emigrated from Africa. Fair skinned people have no idea what it’s like to be black at all, and then claim that racism doesn’t exist, or that they can face the same amount of discrimination as someone darker than them. Cracker isn’t even offensive although some try to pretend like it is. They never had a word used as weapon against them, because if I type n** right now it’ll be censored. Point proven.

[getwiththepg]

@OddBeMe lmao point proven. You’d rather be a male flight attendant than to be black. This is obviously what everyone knows. It’s not easy to be black. I automatically have to act professional wherever I go just so I don’t fall into the stereotype of being a hooligan, but an Asian person who has the same street style would not be looked at any different than some nerdy Asian kid. And the way I act comes from the values. I’m a first generation Afro-Canadian male who’s family emigrated from war-torn Sudan, so diplomacy was already instilled from a young age, but that’s not everyone’s first impression, and first impressions are very important.

[Sasahara]

@getwiththepg Thanks for being an example of someone who thinks white people can’t be victim of racism. Any particular reason you and @handsomelad70 felt the need to put your answers to the question as replies to my answer? Quarreling with @OddBeMe is at least entertaining, and in an unusual turn of event I kinda agree with him here I think, at least his replies to my answer in this question, while with the two you I feel you just hijacked my answer instead of making your own dor some reason.
You don’t need to have been enslaved to be able to be a victim of racism.

[OddBeMe]

@getwiththepg yeah it can’t be easy. Especially with traffic stops. I don’t fear for my life.

There is two sides: a systemic segregated society that hates change…. AND…an intransigence by Americans to change.

Cops are weary patrolling black neighborhoods. The culture of demeaning black suspects gets set through the dept. But why? Because 9% of the population (black males) causes 50% of murders in the US. We need to solve this from both ways.

[getwiththepg]

@Sasahara You posted an answer, I felt the need to reply. If I wasn’t within my grounds to do so this wouldn’t be a discussion site with the ability to reply to peoples answers. I’m not quarrelling with @OddBeMe at all, you just want to infer it as such. But please let me know of such times you’ve been exposed to racism that it made you feel sub-human for something you had no control of, because I’m pretty sure white people are universally praised around the world. East Asian people for example detest the idea of a baby being cream coloured or darker. These are real examples of racism+colourism. Again please let me know examples that you have personally went through. I

[OddBeMe]

@getwiththepg I thought we answered you. White people can face racism. But as my metric would suggest, not nearly as much as dark black skinned Americans.

And our country is racist because we’re human, in the basic sense. Saying it’s not racist is just crack for the mind, politicians working for an applause. Which can be dangerous as that turns into policy.

Systemic racism exists everywhere but is white bad here, compared to other G20 nations. We are more of melting pot but we’re also more segregated TODAY than back when Brown V Board of Edu was decided.

[OddBeMe]

lol meant *quite bad

But I like “white bad”

[getwiththepg]

@OddBeMe You have to look at how the decay of the black Americans started happening. To begin with police, they originally started off as night watch to catch runaway slaves. Also, incidents like the Tulsa Race Massacre in 1921 which was an affluent black neighborhood being burned down has to inflict damage on the morale of the same citizens. The 13% of the black population committing 53% of the crimes or whatever the statistic is attributed mostly to black on black crimes. No one mentions about the skin colour of the mass shootings being committed though.

[Sasahara]

@getwiththepg I’m saying I usually quarrel with Odd. The two of usually do that when we replie to each other. I posted an answer yes, and your first replie to me felt not very relevant to my answer. I have personaly not been victim of racism IRL, I’m just disagreeing with your idea that white people can’t be victims of racism

[getwiththepg]

@Sasahara Ah my apologies. I was gonna say @OddBeMe & I have been rather cordial during this discussion.

[OddBeMe]

@getwiththepg Yes…but has the black community actually risen since the Civil War? I could argue it’s clung on through hundred years of Jim Crow and hadn’t had time to build generational wealth,

And generational wealth is how you and I have the ability to discuss this right now instead of going to our third job,

[getwiththepg]

@OddBeMe The thing is that currently their isn’t a leader in the black community such as a Malcolm X or an MLK or a Fred Hampton to wake up the mentally dead black people once again. Every time one comes along, he’s tagged as a black supremacist & promptly eliminated by the Government. Also another big thing is the consumption of negative media that reinforces black youth to want to be gangsters, & the big label presidents that further this by allowing this music to be published. If we were taught positivity as a whole it would be a lot different, and subsequent turf wars over generations for what little the black man has in his ghettos creates a deadly repeating cycle. Fatherless children will be rebels.

[getwiththepg]

@Sasahara But can you make that judgement when you haven’t been a victim of it yourself? What about any of your other white colleagues? If you mean discrimination, sure possibly. But the foundation of the world was built for white people to be in power. How can that same party be victim to racism? They literally have all of the power. Apartheid ended in South Africa in 1994 after Mandela was voted in yet its still very segregated. Does that even make sense that black people are still second in command in their own home? Colourism is so rampant in the world with skin bleaching. Eastern Asians are horrified at the idea of being anything but as fair skinned as possible. In school I can’t even tell you how many times I was the butt of the joke for being black. These are real examples of racism that white people do not go through in their own homes.

[Sevenpointfive]

@getwiththepg they are victims of rape, murder, kidnapping, assault, burglary, trafficking and the list is endless and that's every single day! anti-white racism is the most common racism alive today. that doesn't mean i like all white people. i'm categorically white

[getwiththepg]

@Sevenpointfive Those facts you presented are ridiculous. Every race is victim to those crimes. Anti-white racism is not the most common racism alive today. What racism have you experienced yourself?

[Sasahara]

@getwiththepg Yes I can make that judgement, and its daft to think I can’t. Thats like me calling a black person a N****, and nobody can accuse me of racism unless the accuser have personaly been a victim of racism. As per your previous comment would mean that white people, who are unable to be victims of racism in your opinion, also now are unable to call out racism in your opinion since you think we can’t be victims of it

[getwiththepg]

@Sasshara Ok, you’re just begging to be a victim. Which you can’t be because you never have been one. You admitted it yourself & honestly, I’m trying really hard not to judge your intelligence. Just be happy about the privilege you & many other white people have.

[getwiththepg]

@Sasahara It’s like telling a group of rich people that all have Ferraris how to maintain their vehicle even though you’ve never even seen one in real life, much less own one. THE most possibly discriminated group of WASP’s, as in your typical White American, not any ethnic groups such as Jews, or immigrant white people would be rednecks, and they’re probably the most openly racist! Now again, that’s just one group that might feel discrimination from other parties and/or businesses such as putting a cheque to the light to see if it’s real. That doesn’t happen to WASP’s that appear as regular casual people. You would assume the cheque is real. Ok now for Black Americans/Canadians which I’m apart of so I can make this judgement, THIS happens often regardless if I’m dressed like I’m from the hood OR if I were to come in a suit, OR dressed like an I. T. guy. This is just one example. I can list a myriad of situations of REAL racism that white people are not exposed to on a daily basis.

[Sasahara]

@getwiththepg I’m not begging to be a victim, I’m saying white people can be victims.
You claim they can’t. Then you claim I can’t say white people can be victims of racism because I have not personaly been a victim of racism. Thats as stupid as saying someone who has not been a victim of racism themself can’t accuse me of being a racist if I call black people a word starting with n.

[getwiththepg]

@Sasahara A court will believe a woman before all else, but a court will definitely believe a crying white woman over a black man before anything else. That’s how slave owners’ wives forced the slaves to have sex with them. If they didn’t comply they’d just tell the community that the slaves raped them. And you’re either convoluting things or seeing on such a surface level that it’s making my head hurt. A white person can & should accuse you of being racist for calling someone the n word. That has no comparison to a white person going about their day worrying about racism the same way I do everyday. I don’t even understand what you’re trying to say. Which white victims of racism do you know about that’s happening everyday?

[getwiththepg]

@Sasahara How can you tell me white people can be victims of racism, but when I ask when you or any other white person you personally know has ever been a victim you don’t have any examples because it’s never happened to you or the other shire person you know? What law cases have you seen or heard where the big headline/underlying factor in the court described it as being *insert minority here* vs white racism? Where it was unanimous that the white person who got convicted was subject to racism in that courtroom? One good example to use here is the OJ Simpson trial. The only reason OJ got off was because he’s extremely wealthy to have the best lawyers at the time. They were literally called the “Dream Team” named after the 1992 USA basketball team which had the best basketball players in the world during the Olympics. They didn’t lose one game. Ok now do you understand that there are whole minorities that have to put on a mask before they leave the house to soften the racism & discrimination they face literally everyday, something you or anyone you know hasn’t even faced once in their lives. If you put a white person in India, their praised to this day because of the British Colonization. If you put a white person in Asia, they are praised, with Asian people trying to be as fair skinned as possible, even after numerous wars in Korea & Vietnam and making sovereign states after the US & Soviet Union liberated their OWN countries. The only possible place a white person could face racism is probably in Africa & guess who it’s been pillaged by? White people! And even then they’d still be experiencing racism in a place they don’t call their home. And an example of that is a grain in the sand in a sandbox. You and countless white people are not facing racism in the place you rest your head at during the majority of your life because the world was molded for your race to not experience such. Can you comprehend this now?

[Sasahara]

@getwiththepg I personaly don’t know any black people have been victim lf racism as far as I know either.

You claim that white people can’t be victims of racism, then you say I as a white person can’t say white people can face racism, because I have not faced racism myself… But somehow other white people, who by your own logic also can’t speak of racism because they are also unable to have been victims of it, can accuse me of racism if I use a word starting with N. Thats a double standard, and you are just a hypocrite. You are wrong, plain and simple.

[getwiththepg]

@Sasahara Did you even read anything I’ve been saying? You’re just regurgitating the same thing over & over. If it’s a double standard, then sure. Is it ok for a guy to beat up a female? Probably not in your eyes right?

[getwiththepg]

@Sasahara Which utopia do you live in where not even one black person you know has ever been a victim of racism? Atlantis?

[Sasahara]

@getwiththepg Yes I repeat the same thing over because your claims keep being bullshit. I don’t need to know gypsies personally to know they can be victims of racism, and I don’t need to have been a victim of racism myself to know that. Same thing with white people. But you claimed "white people can’t be victims of racism." which is bullshit.
No its not ok to beat up women no. And its not ok to beat up men either. Including cops.

I live in a utopia called Norway. And as far as I know, no person I know IRL has faced racism. On ocation there is talk about racism on TV, but I don’t know the people involved personaly. Never met those people myself, only seen them on the news.

[getwiththepg]

@Sasahara Ahhh so you don’t even live in the US/Canada where racism is rampant. You live in Norway where the Oslo shooter, an extreme far right supremacist went & shot up a mosque & got sentenced to 20 years but still has a computer & an Xbox in his cell. Who has a hearing for parole later this year. So he might be out after just 14 years for killing a bunch of people. You’ve never seen racism. Dylan Roof, the kid in America that shot up the black church killing 13 people asked the police to take him to Burger King after he was detained. This is white privilege lol.

[getwiththepg]

@Sasahara So you or no one you know has ever seen racism before in your lives, yet you can make the claim that they can still be victims. Gypsies are discriminated against other Romanian people, as in white people. A black person being racist to a white person is punching up. It’s doing zero damage to them. It’s not stopping them from getting a job. All the higher powers are white people. You can’t even tell me a case about it because it doesn’t happen. It literally doesn’t exist. Point proven. OddBeMe already told you he’d rather be a male flight attendant which is looked at as a marginalized or borderline “feminine” job than a black person any day of the week. If you can't grasp this & say the same thing you’ve been regurgitating this whole time again then obviously your comprehension skills are sub-optimal.

[Sasahara]

@getwiththepg You are the one telling me I need to know a victim of racism to claim something is racist which I disagree with. I don’t personaly know victims of racism I have heard or read about so you would just dismiss them regardless.

So what if Odd would rather be a flight attendant than be black? That is his opinion. And all it proves is that he would rather be a flight attendant than be black.

My comprehension skills are perfectly fine.

[Sasahara]

Yes, people I know can eventualy be victims of racism despite having yet to be so.

[getwiththepg]

No, obviously your comprehension skills are lacking because Odd said himself he doesn’t have to worry about fearing for his life during a traffic stop. He said he’d rather be a marginalized male flight attendant than to be black because that’s still easier than being a black man. You just sound ignorant. I don’t even know why I’m still replying to you. You’re trying to tell someone who experiences racism everyday what they should & shouldn’t know about racism when you’ve never experienced it yourself. A quick google search on racism & white privilege would shut you up if you weren’t being ignorant to facts. Seriously look it up right now & tell me what it says. Tell me about how much you benefit from having white skin but you don’t even know it because it’s subconscious.

[Sasahara]

@getwiththepg I don’t know why you hijacked my answer in the first place. I’m telling you white people, like anyone else can be victims of racism. Thats the crux of the matter I’m writing to you about. I disagree with you on your idea that they can’t be. I think you sound ignorant too.
You don’t have to replie to me if you don’t want to

[Sevenpointfive]

scientists want you to believe everyone is black. what does that indicate?

[msc545]

Darker skin means that you, at least in the United States, are a target for more racism. Whether or not you experience it os different issue, but most people I know that have dark skin have experienced racism during their lives. We have no shortage of white people that are also racists in the US.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah it’s tribalism on a skin color metric.

[msc545]

Thanks for MHO

[Rosexøxø]

I HONESTLY don’t want to watch politicians talk lol I could faint and die from the thumb nail alone, but I’d want to answer because I like your theme and indirect direction with your questions. I really wish I could guess and somehow answer with title and sub context but I just can’t so I will try to bring myself to watch the video maybe tomorrow and answer this.

I really wish to! But the video is somehow bringing on physical pain lol

[Rosexøxø]

I’m coming back to this. Swear. 👀👍

[OddBeMe]

Honestly the video doesn’t say much other than “if me, an idian girl can make it…” blah blah… yeah thanks NIKKI. Why change your fcking name if this ain’t a racist country?

[Rosexøxø]

lol that’s funny. You roasting her or calling her out (I can’t tell) is funny. I don’t know her background and backstory and her political views and such well enough. The video sounded positive though. A great message. She didn’t say the country wasn’t racist. Racist people exist, and we shouldn’t be afraid or stop trying just because they “exist.” Try. Try all the jingling way lol

Nothing here was sugar coated or painted. Honest and reaffirming and if she has come from a place of struggle then she’s a living testimate. I’m sure anyone above her who was racist against her could’ve stopped her but the chances of encountering that may have been rare and definitely less than minorities or inferior demographics in this country who may face racial discrimination, challenge/ confrontation, and such.

Do white people experience racism? Probably, yes. Is it bad or hindering to progression? It could be but usually isn’t, and/or isn’t enough.

Do Indian people face racism? Possible does it hinder progression? I’d say it’s probably similar to the whites but it’s nothing serious and definitely not final. Looking at the two in this way should be encouraging for the blacks who experience racism to keep trying.

[Drewtate]

Only racism I've ever encountered has been from white Liberals. I've been called uncle Tom and been told that I'm too stupid to own voter id.

Just look at how racist liberal Hollywood insist on putting black men in a dress and over sexualising black women. What message are they trying to send to black kids

[gorydetails]

We need to start teaching American blacks to not be so racist

[OddBeMe]

Well…you’re right in theory, but as always wrong in ideas. It’s marginalized people getting more angry and more segregated. So it’s no wonder those most experiencing racism are themselves racist.

Teaching won’t do a damn thing. Stopping the marginalization and segregation will.

[gorydetails]

No, it’s American blacks who have been told for decades they’re victims and now cops are scared to arrest them lest they end up on TV being called racist.

[OddBeMe]

Won’t deny the victim machine is human. But step back from individuals and just look at economics or psychology. Marginalization, desegregation and double the wealth gap. Regardless of why…it can be fixed.

[gorydetails]

Can it? Black neighborhoods can’t stop stealing from retail stores - causing them to shut in droves.

[OddBeMe]

Mmm, what could help that…maybe having more opportunities for black Americans.

Say, remember when Trump spent 100k for each of those 30 miner jobs? Maybe something like that. But smarter,

[gorydetails]

Or less law breaking. Amazing what opportunities arise if you’re not a felon.

[getwiththepg]

@gorydetails Bad take. Low income areas & lack of fathers create criminal children. How do you think such marginalized people became marginalized? I can’t wait to hear your answer.

[gorydetails]

@getwiththepg The low income whites don’t have the same crime rate. Nor Hispanics. The black families were in tact before liberal policies took over.

[getwiththepg]

@gorydetails you realize most crimes committed by black people are done to other black people right? Targeted shootings? So what about every mass shooter basically being white? Killing random people they don’t know?

[gorydetails]

@getwiththepg what’s your point? I thought black lives mattered.

[getwiththepg]

If you want to talk about crime that white people commit, a good majority is white collar. That’s what they’ve been good at since the beginning of time: stealing from others.

[gorydetails]

@getwiththepg We’re talking about shooting and murders. Do you want to keep moving goal posts or do you want to get real for once?

[OddBeMe]

I keep seeing 13% of population commits 50% of murders but it’s actually worse as men commit murder. So it’s really 7% of black men committing 50% of all murders, most likely.

[getwiththepg]

@gorydetails @OddBeMe www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/1352-1390

[gorydetails]

@getwiththepg bahahahahahhaha.. you are a retard. Facts aren’t hate symbols.

[getwiththepg]

@gorydetails You just exposed yourself as being an idiot.

[gorydetails]

@getwiththepg I’m not the one claiming statistics are hate symbols, lol

[getwiththepg]

@gorydetails You’re an idiot. It was never a fact to begin with

[OddBeMe]

@getwiththepg I hate agreeing with Joel as much as anyone, but white hate symbol or not, the stat is real.
ucr.fbi.gov/.../expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

BUT crime is relegated to race. Blacks kill blacks, whites kill whites, etc. Mostly the same for all violent crime. So the black on white crime is a myth for sure.

[getwiththepg]

@OddBeMe He’s proclaiming that black people are responsible for ALL murders, which isn’t true, just like you said. The conflict in the inner cities is generational. When you remove fathers from their children’s’ lives, they look up to the other people that were taking care of them, other fatherless men, who also had enemies having to defend their turf just like their fathers. It’s a bad cycle. And again it’s only perpetuated by the media that teaches children it’s ok to live like this.

[OddBeMe]

@getwiththepg I actually read the “fathers” thing is a myth too. Regardless, poverty and crime are interconnected. Be it whites or blacks.

I just wish the black community case together as a political monolith like the tea party did. 13% is a sizable voting bloc. They need to stop relying on god, tbh.

[gorydetails]

@getwiththepg It’s always been a fact. Too bad you’re too stupid to understand it.