What do you think of Greg Abbott and the Texas border. do you think its a political stunt just to gain political points or do you think its not?

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I Don’t know if you are aware but the Governor of Texas is defying President Biden’s orders to remove the barbwire placed on the Texas border and has the Texas Guard enforcing the placement of the barbwire.

nightdrot · Accepted Answer

Not quite sure what you mean by a scam. Texas - and a number of other states - are being overrun by illegal immigrants. On top of that, the Governors and mayors of several states and localities thought to score political points by declaring themselves "sanctuary states/cities."

The net effect, given the - at first - relatively limited mobility of illegal immigrants was to place the economic costs on border states while Governors and Mayors in places like New York and Chicago postured as morally superior humanitarians. The message was, in effect, "look how good and noble and pure we are to help these poor people, now you border states pay the bills of our humanitarianism."

Governor Abbott, in effect, called their bluff while also bringing attention to the concomitant economic and - yes - security costs of illegal immigration. This measured in the form of human trafficking, drugs, and potentially terrorist infiltration.

During the Trump administration, a policy was implemented whereby if an immigrant wanted to come to the USA, they would have to "remain in Mexico" until they had been cleared to enter the USA.

With the election of the Biden administration, all limitations were lifted and the result was a flood of illegal immigrants. Immigrants who were caught - unlike under the Trump administration - were not deported back to their home countries but were given a court date and released into the States.

Given the backlogs in the courts, this in effect has allowed illegals to live in the USA and access public benefits. Suffice to say, given its' geographical proximity to Mexico, this has put an enormous burden on the state of Texas. (A state which, perhaps not uncoincidentally, tends to vote against Mr. Biden's Democratic party in presidential elections.)

In response to this, Texas erected a border wall of barbed wire to block illegals from entering the USA through Texas. The Biden Administration objected to this and ordered the US border patrol to tear down the barbed fences. Texas blocked that action.

So the Biden administration went to the Supreme Court. The court, in a ruling that has been misunderstood, said that the Biden Administration had the authority to tear down the wall. However, it did NOT say that the wall was illegal or unconstitutional, so Texas blocked the Feds from taking action. (In addition, in a little noted side and an astonishing turn, the Federal border patrol sided with Texas and said, in effect, it would not obey the Biden Administration.)

To be fair, the nation actually needs a degree of immigration. The population - as is happening in all industrialized nations - is aging. The workforce is shrinking relative to population and this, in turn, shrinks the tax base that supports the welfare infrastructure for the elderly and poor - see also Social Security ($21 trillion in unfunded liabilities), Medicare ($45 trillion in unfunded liabilities) and Medicaid. This also shrinks the population that can serve in the armed forces in times of war and crisis, not to mention shrinking the aforementioned tax base to support the defense budget.

The problem is NOT immigration. Rather the problem is the type of immigration. Currently, there is no accountability. There is a flood of illegals whose background, education levels and other factors the nation simply does not know. It is taking on huge potential liabilities because of unregulated immigration.

Mr. Biden reversed - and I say this as NO fan of former President Trump - the generally sensible immigration policies of his predecessor. Not because they were bad policies, but simply because they had been developed by Mr. Trump. This was contrarianism masquerading as humanitarianism and the net result has been a disaster for which the nation will - make no mistake - pay a stiff price.

The immigration debate has been played out on the Internet to a public that, on the whole, tends to feel and react, rather than analyze and plan. Mr. Biden is a symptom of this phenomenon and the nation will reap what it is sewing. In that context, Governor Abbott has worked within the parameters of his office to limit the damage that has followed.

Anonymous · Accepted Answer

This problem has been getting worse and worse for decades. The cartels largely run free in northern Mexico and regularly shoot at and and threaten Americans in the border region.

Now they organize this large scale invasion of illegal immigrants both to make money from their passages (charging as much as 8k) and to further aid their smuggling of deadly drugs in other places.

the border is a mess and requires a similarly organized effort and infrastructure (to slow them down) to match the Cartel's war on our and northern Mexico defenses for money.

Failing to deal with this problem will lead to more border towns & states being corrupted and subjugated as Mexican towns and states already have been. Which is very scary.

The cartels offer silver or lead, and the open border allows them to leverage safe haven in Mexico to give creditably to that threat free of our own retaliations.

katiesmuff · Accepted Answer

No it's not a game; what the hell is he suppose to do with all those illegal's flooding the US by the hundreds per hour. If sleepy Joe and his comrades' would get off their dead asses and CLOSE THE BORDER and only those with a valid visa may enter and stay. Anything else fly them far down to the bottom of South America

Kelley1 · Accepted Answer

Obviously, states have a right to install a fence on their property and any attempt by the federal government to remove it is unconstitutional. Nowhere do the constitution give the federal government the right to destroy property owned by the state and the 9th and 10th admendments specifically exclude it.

abc3643 · Answer

I feel for Texas and everyone across the political spectrum realizes this is a real crisis, but, yes, Abbott's actions are now a stunt because he knows full well that what he is doing is unconstitutional.

Abbott and the GOP are lucky that Biden is an easy-going guy.
If I were President, I would go Eisenhower (*) on his ass.

That said, I believe that Texas should go to court and I even support the idea of impeachment of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas even though he's not to blame for the problem; Congress is.

Trump is not helping the situation either because he doesn't want this solved so as to keep it an issue for the election. That's another way to know he's an asshole and the modern GOP is just a bunch of sycophants.

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(*) Google "Little Rock Crisis" "1957"

For example:
https://www.eisenhowerlibrary.gov/research/online-documents/civil-rights-little-rock-school-integration-crisis

On May 17, 1954, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled in Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education that segregated schools are "inherently unequal." In September 1957, as a result of that ruling, nine African-American students enrolled at Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas. The ensuing struggle between segregationists and integrationists, the State of Arkansas and the federal government, President Dwight D. Eisenhower and Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus, has become known in modern American history as the "Little Rock Crisis." The crisis gained world-wide attention. When Governor Faubus ordered the Arkansas National Guard to surround Central High School to keep the nine students from entering the school, President Eisenhower ordered the 101st Airborne Division into Little Rock to [e]nsure the safety of the "Little Rock Nine" and that the rulings of the Supreme Court were upheld.

Look at these 5 images. They illustrate an excellent president not fucking around with a governor violating the law (which was clearly for political gain).

This first image is a telegram between (GOP) President Eisenhower and (DEM) Arkansas Governor Faubus. Eisenhower makes clear that his duty is to the Constitution (unlike the last GOP President).

Press release, President Eisenhower's telegram to Governor Faubus, September 5, 1957

The next two images are the two pages of Proclamation 3204 in which Eisenhower is saying obstruction of justice is occurring under the aegis of the state government of Arkansas and it has to stop. What is important to note is that this is 1957 and a Federal District Court has ordered the Little Rock School District to desegregate because of the Supreme Court case Brown v. Board of Education, decided 3 years earlier in 1954, that school segregation was unconstitutional. Eisenhower cites the court order which is not being obeyed by Arkansas. That's both unlawful (it's obstruction of justice) and unconstitutional (violation of the Supremacy Clause, for one). Eisenhower is clearly stating to Arkansas and the world that Arkansas is obstructing justice and that he, as President, is constitutionally required to enforce the law which is what he asserted in his previous telegram above. In short, he's ordering them to stop obstructing justice.

Proclamation 3204, Obstruction of Justice in the State of Arkansas, 23 SEP 1957, p. 1

Proclamation 3204, Obstruction of Justice in the State of Arkansas, 23 SEP 1957, p. 2 of 2

The last two images are the two pages of Executive Order 10730. Arkansas does squat. Now, Eisenhower is pissed and shows Arkansas he is not fucking around. Eisenhower was a military man who led the Allied forces in Europe during WW2. He does not like to be fucked with and contains his anger speaking through his actions. This "EO" is an example of this. First, on the first page, Eisenhower reiterates the key part of the proclamation - that Arkansas is obstructing justice and was ordered to stop. Then, he states that Arkansas has not complied.

Executive Order 10730, Providing for the Removal of an Obstruction of Justice in Arkansas, 24 SEP 1957, p 1 of 2

On the second page, he lays down the law. First, in "Section 1", he nationalizes the Arkansas National Guard taking it away from Arkansas and putting it directly under the command of the United States. Then (and here's where the money is), in the remaining sections, he sends in the military and implicitly tells them they are free to kill anyone who gets in the way of that court order being fulfilled.

>>> THAT'S how you deal with asshole states and asshole governors who disrespect the laws and authority of the United States.

But I want to point out that Eisenhower did this all because of a Federal District Court order that was not being obeyed.

Our current Supreme Court in Homeland Security v. Texas ordered Texas not to interfere with Federal agents cutting razor wire. If Texas is obstructing that, this is not really any different than 1957 and Biden pretty much now has the authority to do what Eisenhower did.

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/department-of-homeland-security-v-texas/

We are supposed to live in a society with laws and we are to abide by them whether we like them or not and, if we don't like them, then go through the proper channels to have our grievances addressed. Violating the law is not an option.

Personally, I don't care what your politics are, but the moment you engage in violating the law like this, I have no mercy; that's what God may give, but I will not.

puurikke · Answer

I'm always impressed how in the USA a lot of the time it's either A or Z and never anything in between. Makes it easier I guess. But the real solutions are always somewhere in between.

For instance migration, you guys need the inflow of low skilled labour in your biggest agricultural states. If you would magically stop all immigration, there wouldn't be enough veggies in the US left. They would rot in the fields. Studies even show that immigration in the US has a positive effect on blue colour wages and public finance.

This does not mean the border should be nothing more than a line in the sand. Borders serve a purpose. You have a say in who can come and who can't. You can select people who are skilled and bar people from entering who have a record.

But unless you accept legal migration (which the US doesn't really do), you can build walls and walls and still never stop the flow of people.

So my answer is 'just a political move'. When you are not honest about immigration and you are not fixing the stuff you should fix, only focussing on something that looks though, you are playing your voters. And that's just dumb politics.

loveslongnails · Answer

It's Abbott being an idiot, per usual. Abbott knows full well he's violating the law and is trying to invoke "emergency status" and blame the Feds for a lack of action. However, the Feds don't make the border rules, Congress does, and there has not been a comprehensive immigration bill since 1986. The border problem has been ongoing for the last 80 years, Greggo, and the lack of action is on all of Congress, but particularly your own party over the last 20 years.

The last year one party controlled all three branches of the federal government was 2007, when Republicans held the White House, both chambers of Congress and a majority on the Supreme Court. They did nothing about the border or immigration and ran for the hills when the market crashed.

Now there's a bill in front of Congress, with major concessions by Biden, and the idiot GOP might listen to psycho Donnie and vote it down so Biden doesn't get a "win" on the border? What... the... fuck?

ShadezMcgee · Answer

Are youbreferrinf to this being a political move by Abbott or Biden?

Regardless, Abbott is doing what needs to be done. Texas has been bearing the brunt of the immigration and Abbott is doing what he can to secure the border to protect his state and statesmen since Biden and Mayorkas refuse to do so. Now, to go with that, he is also making the liberals accountable on the whole sanctuary city idea.

It was the left that said they would house immigrants and migrants and protect them in their cities. So, let them have their wish and the feel good trend and brownie points can be had. They wanted it, let them live in it.

Props to Abbott for having the fortitude and balls to do that.

D_Bone_Steak · Answer

Any move against Biden is a good political move right now, but I think this is a bit more than just a political stunt. Biden is out of line right now and we all know it, it just makes sense that the first slap is going to come from the red side since that isn't his side, but damn, you got total blue sides ready to do it too. New York for instance wants to complain about migrants all of a sudden... I think hell is about to rip loose.

I voted it's genuine if that matters. Any anti-Trumper will come in and rip me a new one just because they they I'm a Trump fan instead of anything to do with what I just talked about.

Flatmanlewis · Answer

He’s doing what needs to be done. It’s insane that we politically endorse and support other nations defending their own border. This isn’t just lip service either, we literary defend the border of South Korea with our own troops & assets. We defend Taiwans politically and we don’t even recognize them as a independent country. We even recognize that fences and walls have functional meaning all over the nation yet somehow the border at Mexico - we treat it like it’s an unavoidable problem. We could seal that border in one year and end this crisis but…we won’t.

jshm2 · Answer

Abbot is a fucking idiot wasting millions on political points, instead of spending it on the problem. He doesn't know that ladders have been invented, and barbwire is useless if you have a think blanket to go over it. a bolt cutter to go through it, or a shovel to dig under it. So he must have shares in the company supplying the "border equipment".

But Abbot has a history of fuckery. Such as putting the claimants on busses like some sort of human trafficker and shipping them round. What the fuckwit should be doing is spending it on more staff and offices to process claimants, so they can move forward to where they should be going.

These ARE legal claimants, in the most part. It's only until they have been processed that they can be deemed as "illegal" or not.

Obviously the dumbass maga crowd don't understand this, and it's why stunts like this impress them, despite the millions of dollars and wasted man hours adding to national debt.

goaded · Answer

It's a political stunt that is killing people. Just the same as the Republicans in Congress complaining about nothing being done about the border while simultaneously voting down anything that might help. They want it to still be a problem when the election comes around, so they can run on it (they won't fix it then, either).

Do you think 2300 new border patrol agents would help with the problem? How about 1000 more agents to address fentanyl? Over $850 million for new technology? More money to process and deport people who don't have a right to asylum in less time?

If they really thought they should fix the problem, they'd all be voting for it.

But Republicans don't want to fix the problem, because that might look like a win for Biden. At this point, I suspect they wouldn't vote for war if the Mexican army tried to take back Texas by force, if it might make Biden look good.

Lliam · Answer

It's insane to have open borders and allow illegal immigration.
Fuck Biden in the ass and deport politicians who support of illegal immigration to Colombia after seizing their assets. They are traitors.

Avicenna · Answer

It's not up to Biden to "order" its removal. It is, however, Biden's responsibility to prevent the trafficking of humans, drugs and weapons over the border, and he's avoided that responsibility.

No, it's not a political stunt. Who wants the problems associated with completely open borders in their state?

normalice · Answer

Yeah, republicans got caught discarding their own border security bill for politics, with some even admitting it. So now Republicans have to be over the top in pretending they are taking the border seriously to compensate for the information about them apparently not thinking it was so important that they couldn't play politics with it

strateguy632 · Answer

abbot would only risk ignoring SUPREME court, if a. his legal advisors felt he can justify his actions by the emergency situation there and b. shows just how severe the problem is! that is why many governors dared to support him AGAINST the court because this situation is very dangerous.

exitseven · Answer

He is protecting his state. He is also bringing as much attention to the disaster Biden has made st the southern border. Hopefully mora Americans will see this and vote him out of office and save the country.

bolverk · Answer

Gov Abbot is defending his state.

The failure of the Biden Administration to fulfil the duties imposed by Article IV, § 4 has triggered Article I, § 10, Clause 3, which reserves to this State the right of self-defence.

For these reasons, he has already declared an invasion under Article I, § 10, Clause 3 to invoke Texas’s constitutional authority to defend and protect itself. That authority is the supreme law of the land and supersedes any federal statutes to the contrary.

Danny_dan92 · Answer

As the governor of his state, that’s within his jurisdiction.

That’s why there is state and federal bodies of government. The current Federal government is refusing to address the border crisis (for political reasons)

And to be fair, Abott gave the current administration plenty of time to address the crisis, they just kept throwing it under the rug for 3 years, so now he’s taking matters into his own hands.

Anonymous · Answer

Joe Biden obviously wants open borders even though it’s illegal. So Abbott has no choice, but to take matters into his own hands.
By calling that a political stunt, makes Biden look even dumber than he already is.

legalboxers · Answer

The State with  1 STAR RATING   had the ability to send them back, they chose not to and ruin the rest of the country. You want to secede go ahead. If you loose power or get pummeled by storms, dont come crying to the US for help. You wanna go. Bye Bitch! see y'all!

AviatorTom · Answer

I believe Gov Abbott is protecting his state, which is what he promised to do when he took the oath of office. He's also making an important point of states' rights vs federal interference.

Dargil · Answer

It is urgently needed. The Left wants to dismantle the country and he and other state governors have to step in. And they have the constitutional right and obligation to do so.

FunkyMonkee · Answer

You're not from here, are you? We're TRYING to save America from complete collapse!! Do you know of any other countries you can waltz the fuck in with no issue?

DeeDeeDeVour · Answer

Can I please have Mr. Abbott move to the Sacramento State Capitol?

TheSpider · Answer

Its about time, In fact its almost too late. Biden's border policy is Unconstitutional and is destroying our country. FACT.

NamerOfStars · Answer

"Just" a political move? No- but primarily one. Why else do you think he waited until an election year?

FreyaRed · Answer

Politician? being Genuine? come on, don't be silly.

Hispanic-Cool-Guy · Answer

A combo of both. He's governor of his state and has to do whatever He think is right to protect Texas.

Surely · Answer

It is called survival! Texas can’t afford to put up with all of the illegals that are crossing their border !

Zestyassmf1997 · Answer

I honestly don’t see what the issue is with this whole razor wire thing.

HouseMoat · Answer

Republicucks don't actually care about the border I GUARANTEE IT

OtterMan68 · Answer

I don't ever recall him blasting congress for not getting a border/immigration deal done

jimmy2 · Answer

Just Wait vtill big problems with terror and those who will take on cops and such and get out of jail.

Anonymous · Answer

Anytime anyone tries to do anything good they are accused of pulling a political stunt. So how are they supposed to do good?

Anonymous · Answer

I don’t watch the news or listen to the radio. So I’m not at all sure what you’re asking

purplepoppy · Answer

Won't be long before they lay landmines.

rigmarole · Answer

Part of a larger plan.

tfan1 · Answer

He’s saving the USA 🇺🇸 👍🙂

Pterodon · Answer

Texas has the right

californianjoe · Answer

I think the man is right

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