Was America ever better or greater?

[OddBeMe]

Yes it was once greater (when?)

No, not really.

Other

[msc545]

Not really. This country was founded with a war, and began genocide against indigent people even before it was a country. It has been oppressing people and committing genocide ever since. It has the lowest standard of living of any "first world" country on the planet, and its politics are riddled with graft and corrupion. The wars now are continuous and only fought to enrich a few corporations and individuals. It has the worst healthcare system of any country on the planet.

Yet with all this and more, the US insists on maintaining an economic system of predatory Capitalism which is the cause of most of the problems I've mentioned.

[Flatmanlewis]

I think you have a delusional vision of what a great nation is. Nations are not like people, making one conscious decision after another - self aware of the morality and outcome of its own actions. Nations are an amalgam of people and millions of personalities. Often with conflicting goals and ideas within. Often times it takes some time for people within a nation to recognize an injustice or poor course of action and correct it. The fact people CAN do this and DO this is what makes a nation great. Not a few of its flaws but rather what it aspires to do and how it can improve. In much of the world the ability to create change within society is either non-existent or a criminal offense. Just like people, we have to look at the totality of what they do, not just the past alone.

[msc545]

@Flatmanlewis What did I write that you consider to be "delusional" or untrue? I don't think you actually know what a delusion really is.

[msc545]

@Flatmanlewis Also - 400+ years to recognize war crimes for what they are? I think not. You can't excuse this stuff away.

[OddBeMe]

No he really doesn’t. I’d say he’s a bit harsh on capitalism. It’s really unregulated capitalism causing the predation. But other than that he’s spot on.

Evolved from slaughtering the indigenous and our govt paying for their scalps (including children), to slavery to Jim Crow….

[msc545]

Thank you for MHO. Capitalism requires infinite growth and infinite resources, and we live on a small planet with limited resources - which is why Capitalism will ultimately destroy the Earth.

[RavVid]

@Flatmanlewis This might need an outsider. I think you should take pride in what America has done.

You have devoted blood and treasure in two world wars. In WW1, you were a bit late and Australian troops had already won it by breaking German lines but you did follow up.

In WW2 it was all up to the US. If it wasn't for the US the third Reich would still be in power. The US delivered many people from the tyranny of dictatorships. Did it again in the cold war.

Frankly I don't think you guys give yourselves and your country enough credit. America has been a force for good.

Sure there have been mistakes but that doesn't change the balance.

Thank you.

[Flatmanlewis]

Thank you @RavVid.

Every nation started form war, and for that matter so did the mathematical majority of indigenous tribes. I’m about 4 books into a study of the rise & fall of the Zulu nation and it’s an excellent example. When societies clash there is always a underdog and one who establishes hegemony. It is not a uniquely American trait. As corrupt as you may think American politics are I’d argue that all politicians are somewhat corrupt, and we are nowhere near the top of that list. While I admire your passions the truth remains The US is still one of the best places in the world to live. Are there some countries better than us? Perhaps. Most are not and few have the dominant place on center stage that The US has so comparisons are very hard to make.

[msc545]

@Flatmanlewis You should probably read some history instead of relying on your own opinions.

[Flatmanlewis]

That’s a cute reply but I literally know more history and probably more obscure history than the next 500 people you will meet. I digest history books to the tune of several dozen a year. You’re just riding the woke wave of hating America. This nation is no worse than the majority of them out there and certainly better than most. I won’t change your mind though so, accordingly, we’re done here.

[msc545]

That's nice that you think you know a lot of history. Unfortunately for you I do too. What history sources are you referencing that Whitewash the history of this country?

[msc545]

Or are you just cherry picking because of your political bias?

[RavVid]

@Flatmanlewis Yes, even at a tribal level conflict happens over resources. It is just inevitable however sad.

It doesn't even need armed conflict - just better political organization and/or technology to displace/reduce/replace a population.

Looking at Europe, the Neanderthals were swept aside by Early Anatolian Farmers and completely replaced. Not much evidence of conflict and some of cohabitation. Farmers had better land use and could support larger communities, so had to become dominant from having more sons and daughters.

The distinguishing feature of the US has been that it has acted with beneficence. Had it wish to It could have set up an enormous empire after WW2. Instead it started the Marshal plan and free trade has been of enormous benefit.

Americans have nothing to be ashamed of and much to be proud of instead.

[zagor]

No, it doesn't have the lowest standard of living of any first world country. Nor does it have the worst healthcare - people from other wealthy countries still come here for procedures that aren't done anywhere else. My relatives in Canada buy US health insurance in case they have something serious and don't want to wait - sure it is a lot less expensive there, but a Mercedes costs more than a Camry. And do not get me started on the convoluted legal system up there.

The only wars we're actively involved in (not directly but by $) are one that was started by a expansionist fascist who murders his opponents, and one that was triggered by a massacre of civilians. While there are certainly companies profiting from that, it was hardly the motivation for either.

And pretty much every "first world" country in the world has a capitalist economy, in case you didn't notice. Oh yes, and who exactly is currently being oppressed by this country?

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

Answer this then. I would like to know in your mind what country on this Earth is fit for you to live in? Everything you described has been practiced in every nation on Earth at one time or another.

[Kingofkings1992]

@DARKCLOUD1945X they love to talk shit about America until they go live somewhere else.

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

There are no indigenous people native to the North American continent. All peoples that populated this continent pre European came from the Europeene continent over the land bridge thousands of yours ago before the so called discovery

[OddBeMe]

@DARKCLOUD1945X then American citizens have no right keeping illegals migrants out.

[msc545]

Thanks for MHO

[DarkLegacy]

Best opinion

[zagor]

What idiotic logic tells you that American citizens have no right keeping illegals out? Ancient patterns don't need to be reflected in modern laws.

[OhMyMan]

Wow, anti-American anyone? What about all the good things that America has done? The United States saved Europeans from Nazis and Communists. The Marshall Plan helped rebuild Western Europe, bring stability to the region after the most destructive war in history. The United States brought democracy to Japan too after WWII, a country that actually attacked the USA. Don't forget that the United States is the nation that invented the personal computer, maybe the most important invention in human history. Airplanes too. And the telephone. These all improve people's lives. And people all over the world are desperate to live here. Did you people in countries actually enter lotteries to live in the USA? The American standard of living may be the highest in human history, especially when compared to other large countries. I know small countries like Sweden can boast superiority in some areas, but that is comparing apples and oranges due to population size. I don't think it's fair to only focus on American negatives or positives. BOTH must be described.

[RavVid]

@OhMyMan Yes, from afar, the US has a lot to be proud of. American ideals have indeed done a lot of good for the world. There countries which are democracies which would not be without the inspiration of the US.

[DarkLegacy]

No never was. Just very arrogant and conceited

[OddBeMe]

True, we did horrible shit. But when compared to the colonialist countries, we’re heroes. America doesn’t have an empire.

Read Leopold of Belgium. Lothar von Trotha in the Herero uprising.

[DarkLegacy]

That is because the USA is to incompetent to build an empire. They can't win wars.

[msc545]

@OddBeMe The US

[msc545]

Has an empire. What do you think all of those military bases all over the entire world are all about? I can tell you for a fact they are not about friendly trading or good relations.

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 again, there are perks…but those countries aren’t ours. Not even Iraq is a colony.

Hell, I keep saying Saudi Arabia should be our personal gas station.

[DarkLegacy]

@msc545 Im guessing you need to look up what an empire actually is. But you are right in the sense that the USA are trying to control the globe this way. Hence why they have no got the UK government to let them deploy nuclear weapons in our country.

[msc545]

Also New Zealand most recently.

[DarkLegacy]

@msc545 What are New Zealand doing then. They are a insignificant country, is is easy to forget they exist.

[msc545]

Building nuclear subs to carry US nuclear weapons.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah again, after WW2 we got tons of perks. But saving the western world ain’t free.

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

We won WW2 . Any fighting after that was not a war. There was no Declaration of War for Korea. Viet Nam are any other place our troops were sent to fight or protect. At best they can only be called Police actions. There is no war without the Declaration of War No matter how many were sacrificed.

[OddBeMe]

@DARKCLOUD1945X Eh…yeah. We definitely propped up Western Europe. But the Soviets killed 8 of 10 Nazis. That’s a fact.

But yes we basically liberated and funded Europe’s rebuild and I think the perks were pretty equal. Korea was a UN conflict backed by 21 countries. Vietnam was a shit show.

[goaded]

Just fund South America and you won't have a problem at the southern border any more.

[OddBeMe]

@goaded very true! Or treat druggies here in the states and crater demand for cartels.

[msc545]

All the US is saving is money for the wealthy.

[Juxtapose]

@DARKCLOUD1945X war is simply organized violence between two groups.

[DarkLegacy]

@DARKCLOUD1945X Germany were practically defeated without the USA, i love how you Americans think you single handily won the war which you did not. Been watching to many crappy American war films

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

what country are you from that you say almost defeated Germany without help of USA The country you say did the least provided millions of tons of planes tanks guns. ammo food boats fuel Medical aid money clothing and eventually men by the millions you should watch a little more Victory at Sea or The History Channel

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

And the Germans killed more Russians

[OddBeMe]

@DARKCLOUD1945X True…true. US sent billions in goods to Russia. And yeah, the Nazis were ruthless aholes who starved POWs and had thousands of death camps.

[nightdrot]

Voted "Other." Mostly because the fortunes of a nation ebb and flow and there is never a moment of absolute perfection.

When the USA led the Allies to victory in World War II, it was arguably one of its' greatest moments. It stood for democracy and brought down three tyrannies. Yet at the same time, on the home front, racial segregation in he South - segregated lunch counters and all the rest - were pretty much the norm.

Flash forward to the 1960s. The racial segregation was being torn down with the Civil Rights Act and all the rest. Yet the nation was also tearing itself to pieces with riots, rising crime rates, and the so-called "Youth Rebellion." There was greatness and yet i was a society that was in turmoil and increasingly unsafe.

Greatness is rooted in what a nation aspires to be. America's ideals, as embodied in its' Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Bill of Rights, the Gettysburg Address and in the sacrifices made by its' citizens at home and abroad, are the source of its' greatness. Yet men do not always live up to their ideals and so, in that sense, greatness varies across time.

Also, greatness as measured in international relations is still another variable. At the end of the Cold War, the USA was indisputably the greatest power on Earth - unchallenged by any comparable power.

Yet since then, a certain complacency has crept in. The culture assumed that American greatness was a given and so has not done the work to maintain its' global position. A certain unseriousness has arisen that has allowed rivals like China and non-communist Russia to again challenge American global preeminence.

Even here though, there are parallels. The USA helped the Allies to win World War I, in the process turning what had been a war of realpolitik into an ideological contest between dictatorship and democracy.

Then the USA withdrew from the global arena and in an ideological era, the Communists, Fascists and National Socialists emerged to challenge the freedom the USA thought it had made a principle of international affairs. World War II and the Cold War to follow. (The irony now being with its' victory in the Cold War, the USA has returned the international arena to a realpolitik framework.)

Long story short, the metrics for defining greatness - power and principles - will vary across time and seldom match up. Has the USA then ever been greater? Yes, even when it was better or greater it had been better or greater.

[OddBeMe]

Granted, it ebbs and flows, but we can look at the majority of region or the world and calculate a number of stats.
stevenpinker.com/steven-pinker-honestly-best-time-be-alive

[nightdrot]

Well, as I noted, by most metrics the USA is number one right now, yet it is being significantly challenged by China. Russia and even relatively minor powers like Iran and North Korea. These states, though arguably "less great" than the USA have nevertheless been able to challenge - and indeed imperil - the USA's global position.

This is not new. The Axis powers in World War II - Germany, Italy, Japan - were in population, economics and a host of other factors - well behind the USA. Yet they were able to inflict enormous casualties on the USA and maintain a position that was, for a time, ahead of the USA. The latter's statistical advantages notwithstanding.

Greatness is, in that sense, a relative and not an absolute metric.

[razelove]

It depends on the metric you're using. There are times we have been an absolute shit country, like all of the Americas were a dump, not much better than the penal colony Australia was.

Probably the "great period" is between the 50's and 80's. We had massive influence, our economy couldn't be touched by anyone else, 40 hour work weeks, and for a solid chunk there we were pretty high up in education.

There was also segregation, the Vietnam war, and massive protests in the form of the summer of love. We were using clouds of DDT and calling it safe, smoking didn't cause cancer. I agree that our economy functions better with less reins on it. At the same time we need standards exercised for public safety, at least to know what is in the products we consume.

[strateguy632]

reading the answers here, i feel like news companies, msnbc etc. succeeded at deleting historical memory.

u. s. was great at EVERY phase.

in 1776 we established the best style constitution republic, learning from the problems of British king. so brits followed us changing a bit.

great: dividing power and balances in power. a huge step better than Europe governments and primitive countries!

in 1800s u. s. spread with "order and growth" building cities and train lines beteeen wandering nomads, who didn't have cities.

dealt with the wild west and brought it under the law.

in 1860 the north tried to end slavery, that was great, wasn't it? but shame democrats wanted slaves so strongly, that they seceded south, even breaking their commitment to the union.

we stayed nutral in Europe wars napolean, prussian wars even world war one... non aggressive, great! until germany did unrestricted ship sinking.

then in 1917 we saved france, the ingrates!

we dismantled organized crime and mafias using f. b. i. until democrats ruind chicago california and new york state.

we stayed nutral in world war 2, the grestest most peaceful... non-aggression... until japan attacked us.

then could respond to japan... the ONE WHO ATTACKED US, but democrat commander in cheif preferd wasting American lives in atlantic risk, not japan , in algeria, not japan in italy not japan in france not japan. delayed japan war until 1944. idiot.

not bomb industry in amur river region then called Manchuria.

democrat shame, all that, but in the end u. s. great power and great victory over powerful axis.

destroyed forty thousand nazi warplanes etc.

freed france again, i think we should left that to brits. should gave priority to philipines, but dumb democrat waited until 1944.

admittedly atom bomb bad but again democrat chose that! because no sanctity of life... that republican have.

next 1950s great! we saved south korea from powerful north korea and china.

1960s greatest! we saved south vietnam, who? the ones deleted and forgotten. we delayed communism in nan river region around vietnam, for 20 years...

until vietnam invaded laos. commhnism spread west from vietnam. cambodia laos, but we delayed that 20 years.

we supported thailand burma so it wouldn't become like cambodia.

1970s 1980s great! we saved iraq and afghanistan... the ingrates, from powerful iran and russia.

reagan was extremely beneficial.

clinton went down hill until his last year but everyone knew can't trust democrat, so after clinton another republican.

despite shorter existence of republican party, they earned the trust of voters: more presidents than democrat, and more years than democrats, despite democrats existing longer.

next 1990s great! we saved tiny kuwait frompowerful bully iraq nearly 5000 tanks and also powerful air force... we decimated military infrastructure removed saddam threat. extinguished kuwait oil fires.

next 2000 great! saved Afghanistan from taliban... until biden ruined with a horribly disorganized and heavy loss withdrawal.

next saved kurds from saddam poison gas. and removed saddam hussain iraq.

next obama weakened u. s. in several ways adding debt almost double! from 9 trillion to 17 trillion with reckless spending hand outs to many countries.

next trump challenged powerful china, showed strong great!

until biden made america weak and putin dared war during weak biden, in ukraine.

next biden continued obama legacy of destruction... importing huge amounts of oil but blocking local production. grew debt even worse than obama in one term! from 22 trillion to 34 trillion in four years! but... at least before obama u. s. was great as above.

[OddBeMe]

I see. PPP is leaning China heavily because they’re investing everywhere to get resources they don’t have. GDP, we’re pretty far ahead.

[OddBeMe]

But you’re seeming to forget the bad things America did.

[lightbulb27]

Yes in perception. I think WWII era and coming out of that was better quality humans.

Marriage, committing to each other and family. Work ethic, not spoiled by wealth. Kids respected parental authority and to some extent police.

We were the envy of the world in terms of freedom and wealth. People still come here seeking this, as their countries are restrictive, corrupt, limiting... and many of them succeed.

It needs a lot of work. We've grown technically, but our ethics, values and wealth diminished. Travel overseas and you'll see how trashy USA has become in many areas.

How's this... make American streets as clean again as the streets around Trump Tower. Have you seen that place... spotless. The rest of NYC... a trash pile.

[OddBeMe]

So because the rest of the world was in shambles we were better?

[lightbulb27]

not what I said. and they weren't perfect peoples then. it should be "Make America Greater". or some other mission. as it is... were trying to save the planet from co2, while corrupting the core of the country ($), removing faith (done in 60's) for science, saving the planet... while forcing planned obsolescence waste, and losing youth to lack of discipline as the social structure dissintegrates in new ideas of relationships. just to name a few.

[OddBeMe]

Because in 1950 there wasn’t a hole in the ozone layer. And divorce was so unpopular wife beaters weren’t held accountable.

[lightbulb27]

Trying to save plant w planned obsolescence… which creates more waste than ever compared to our ancestors that were much kess wasteful. Talk to 80 yr olds married… mentality different

[OddBeMe]

I don’t think divorcees are less moral than 80 yr old married couples. It just shows how many women would divorce if given the power.

[Anonymous]

Better and greater quite literally depends on who you speak to and what era of time you're speaking to them in. For example, if you were a rich slave owner in the 19th century, life might have been great for you, America was flourishing, and all that in your mind, but obviously if you asked the slave how great America was, totally different opinion. I don't think any country can claim greatness when they're purposefully subjugating and harming others in the process to "achieve that." I mean it's even worse when one ignores that and says, but what about everyone else because your idea of a great America then is one in which you harm your own as a means to achieve a nation's goals. I think at best every 20 years, there is a mini revolution and things change for some, and get worse for others. I would say, some eras were not too bad, and others are an embarrassment to the nation as a whole.

[OddBeMe]

Yes. For some sociologists, they can do ROi for the most people on the planet.

[supercutebutt]

It was pretty great in the pre-Trump days. Now everybody has gone bonkers. Half of Americans want to live in Russia so they can be paid 80% less and buy groceries that are 50% cheaper. Oh, and have the honor of being poisoned to death by Vlad Putin or be sent to die in Ukraine.

[strateguy632]

they just say that, like celebrity said if trump elected i will leave, but in 2016 stay because lied to influence voters with scare tactics.

[supercutebutt]

@strateguy632 Yeah well people will vote for Trump because he is on Putin's side. That is the height of stupidity. People who love freedom don't vote for Putin's cocksucker.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Can you find me a singular study that supports your hypothesis?

[supercutebutt]

@WhiteBoyChill You believe in studies now? LOL! Go watch Tucker Carlson lathering Putin's asshole with his tongue. He filmed a whole bit in Russia, praising Putin and then going shopping in some store with magic shopping carts.

[WhiteBoyChill]

That’s just Tucker Carlson though.

[supercutebutt]

@WhiteBoyChill Tucker will be jealous of me. I went to Aldi today and used one of those mystical carts with the quarter that blew his mind 🤯

[NaultD]

Isn't that statement the antithesis of the founding of The United States of America and the fundamental believe our constitution stands on?

USA was always intended as a grand experiment that shall never end. pushing the limits of democracy of the people by the people then pushing the people to meet the promises of said democracy again and again. Not foretold by high priest but a promise to ours as American people.

[normalice]

Before unions and public education it was pretty great for oligarchs. MAGA is too intimidated by the prospect of making their own meaning and wants to go back to it being dictated to them by a strong man who can force everyone to agree with violence.

[DarkWinterNights]

Yes. It’s always had problems, but the 80’s was an objectively good time. So was the 90’s. I think since 9/11 and the 2008 Recession things have gotten worse in nearly every aspect of life. Since Covid it’s getting to be a daily occurrence of normalcy just becoming nonsensical chaos.

[zagor]

It's had it's ups and downs; I wouldn't say it was necessarily better. Sure, you didn't have to worry about internet predators 40 years ago, but the 1970's were full of serial killers, the 1980's had higher murder rates, the 1930's were a time of widespread poverty.

[Sasahara]

Of course you should think it was better in the past, unless you are ready to admit you belive the people who think decisions SCOTUS has made in the last few years like Roe V Wade verdict and ending race based affirmative college sdmissions were the right thi gs to do in your opinion

[Sasahara]

"thi gs" was ment to be things. Typo.

[handsomelad70]

Let me see. Slavery, brief freedom, nearly a century of defacto segregation (North and West) and dejure segregation (South), mass incarceration, unjust shootings of POC, dispossession and murder of Indigenous folk, World War Two concentration camp internment of innocent often at least second-generation Japanese Americans by the "progressive" FDR, who didn't do the same to German Americans, some of whom were proven Nazi spies and saboteurs because the Germans were white, not yellow-skinned like the Japanese; sometimes fatal child labour;explotation of Mexican American farm workers, shall I cotinue? Yeah, America sounds like a great nation, doesn't it?

[Sasahara]

@handsomelad70 If don’t feel SCOTUS has made America worse lately, don’t support the SJWs who they they have. If you think America has been worse lately, support the guy who wants to make America great again.

[handsomelad70]

Great for whom, bud, other swindling, scumbag, racist, rapist a**holes? Plus I live in Canada, I'm pretty sure I can't vote in your election.

[Sasahara]

@handsomelad70 I live in Norway, its not my elevtion either.
I had Donald Trump in mind.

[Anonymous]

Of course the US was bettrer in the past. The middle class today is far less proserous than in the past, a family could thrive on a single income, most children had two real parents, there were far fewer children raised by single parents, morals were much stronger, the list goes on and on.

[RainBat]

America will never be Hyperborea, stop trying.

[OddBeMe]

I’ve not heard of it. Had a good google. Thanks!

[BuffTaco]

Yeah, but not by much and not very long ago. Either way it doesn't really matter because you can't recreate the past everything has changed. You should just try and make things better than they are right now.

[OddBeMe]

What time are you thinking of?

[Snakeyes7]

I'd say around Gen X. That was the generation that nearly achieved a post-race society, until millennials came along and said that having that as a goal makes you a racist with their mental gymnastics.

[BonzoInBitburg]

Out of 332 million people, the best options as your leader are Biden or Trump?

Thomas Jefferson — 'The government you elect is the government you deserve.'

[strateguy632]

um trump even "stoood strong" against china. he was a great leader, even better than raegan.

[andreasderjuengere]

Canada or Mexico also are America.
I liked the US more when it was small, decent and humble.
That was long long before I was born.
What I believe to see presently, is an originally good idea going down the drain.

[itsclearlynicholas]

Greater, like all, like the Romans, the Habsburgs, the British, empires. I would say America started to "decline" around the 1900s and definitely in the 1950s and finally swallowed up hole 🕳️ lol by the 1990s to year 2010 for no apparent reasons

[itsclearlynicholas]

Like all wise countries, it was "greater" I would assume as an outsider looking in at y'all, that the Americans declined once trade unions declined, protectionist policies declined, and overseas/international goods did better than the local made goods and services. And there ya go, plus migration, plus goods and services cheaper imported and so on lol 😆

[itsclearlynicholas]

Wasn't there that Tom Cruise movie about that topic of declining steel mills by the 1980s? There ya go lol 😆😂

[itsclearlynicholas]

@OddBeMe and that decline was just the early 1980s, supposedly, the early 1980s. Think of that good sir, there ya go dude ♂️ 😎

[Sevenpointfive]

when my ancestors were here it was great. but the white man came and destroyed a beautiful people

[RavVid]

Immediately after WW2 the US was the last man standing. Without checking it had 30% or more of world GDP and the dominant military.

[RebelinSteel]

I think it started to go down hill after the Civil War

[Dargil]

During the Leave It To Beaver era right after WW2. Maybe not for everyone but for the vast majority.

[OddBeMe]

Average Lifespan was 10 years younger. Average.

[Dargil]

America was much better even with less time on the clock. Now we have longer to "enjoy " the suck". we did this to ourselves in the 60's. Thanks grandpa.

[OddBeMe]

I’m interested in this depressive view of current times. What is the “suck”? All signs would show we are living in the best possible times. Even in the poorest third world countries.

[Dargil]

The Suck is the Democrat Party and the Uniparty swamp. It was better in the 50's through until Tuesday, January 20, 2009. I wrote it down.

[OddBeMe]

Yes but I was asking for actual facts of the “suck”. Not ideology. But ok.

[Juxtapose]

When you could buy a home with a factory job without any college education and support a whole family on your own? That was when America was prosperous.

[Dongie]

You wouldn't believe how great it was before liberalism grew in the 90s thanks to the widespread use of the internet. Brainwashing is a hell of a drug.

[OddBeMe]

If it wasn’t for liberalism we wouldn’t have ended slavery, passed Civil Rights or gave women the right to vote.

[Dongie]

That's odd to say. Democrats are the majority of liberals and they're the slave owners, started kkk, then jim crow, and fought against civil rights in the 60s.

[OddBeMe]

You think slave owners were liberals and not abolitionists? You kidding me?

[OddBeMe]

Crickets.

[Dongie]

Well you read what I wrote. Make of what you will, lib.

[OddBeMe]

Oh I did, and it’s ridiculous.

[exitseven]

It was better just 3 short years ago. Biden caused a lot of damage, some we will never be able to fix but America;s best days are ahead/

[Alexandrubaschet08]

It had never been better :) Because is just getting better and better, so now USA is the grates that had ever been. :)

[findacure4wokeness]

America was greater when it was whiter. Diversity has destroyed your country and it is never coming back from that.

[more_than_a_guy]

I don't really know, because I don't know if the education was less self centered and shallow like today. If it was different, maybe better, if not, so no.

[Anonymous]

America was , is and will be the Greatest Country in the World !

(And I'm not even American , but I love the country so much.. wish to join the US military if I can ever make it)

[mrkdvsn]

From a morality standpoint in modern history, I would choose the 1950's as being markedly more moral than any time SINCE then

[Twalli]

Comparatively the US was the greatest country in the world, and it isn't now. We've become better, but so have other countries.

[handsomelad70]

You're the only Western country which executes folk, the only one lacking single-payer health care, the only one which gives CHILDREN life sentences without parole, you're FOUR percent of the world's population but house ONE-QUARTER of the world's prisoners, have the First World's most yawning socio-economic gap between the overlords and the average citizen. Shall I continue about American "greatness?"

[BoopBoopBeep]

@handsomelad70 All those reasons DO make us pretty great. Thanks for noticing though :)

[Twalli]

@handsomelad70 I said we aren't the greatest anymore. I don't see us regressing to a place where we are worse than we were

[WhiteBoyChill]

It was greater when modern woke SJW leftists weren’t in charge ruining it

[OddBeMe]

Have a date in mind? I’m guessing before civil rights?

[WhiteBoyChill]

Right around the 2000’s with the legalizations of LGBT

[OddBeMe]

So what did the lgbt actually do besides frustrate you? Or is that it?

[WhiteBoyChill]

I find the pride parades and attention seeking stuff annoying.

I’m actually friends with a couple gay dudes, but they don’t believe in doing all that extra stuff

[OddBeMe]

Did they do anything illegal…like break into the Capitol and try to steal an election?

[OddBeMe]

Lol, hate what you want. Just have perspective.

[Sabretooth]

yeah, when blacks knew their place. we all know that's what they think. yo! MAGA fools! y'all ain't fooling nobody!

[Kingofkings1992]

@OddBeMe @msc545 if you don’t like America, the door is right there.

[msc545]

If you don't like the fact that we tell the truth about US war crimes, your door is right there too. This is our country.

[OddBeMe]

Nah I’ll just change it from the inside. Like a woke sjw tick that spreads our liberal typhus.

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 yeah if he hates SJWs he can live in Putin’s Russia.

[msc545]

No, this is kind of more like if you don't like my right wing politics you can just leave the country. I'm really not prepared to listen to crap like that.

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 still Putin sounds like his guy. Great fit.

[QuietRunner]

No China has surpassed us in being able to control viral outbreaks.

[Kelley1]

America is going downhill fast.

[Anonymous]

Nice question bro, I wanna see you with that hat on

[loveslongnails]

No, but I had the illusion that it was.

[boobliker]

it has always thought it was!

[Likes2drive]

Yeah in the in the late 30s and late 50s

[ab2shifty]

It’s something 💀

[SolitarySolace]

70s, 80s