We should all just accept that the border will never be addressed, right?

[normalice]

It is becoming increasingly clear that democrats are the only ones willing to treat the border problems like problems instead of handy optics. But democrats don't really prioritize the border over the more dire catastrophes they tend to inherent when taking over for a republican government.

Nevertheless, with republicans having a check in the house, they recently demanded a border deal, got everything they asked for, and then scuttled it because Donald Trump complained he would have nothing to campaign on if the border issues were resolved.

That's important to remember because it is sure to come up again: Trump complained he would have nothing to campaign on so they k8lled it. The implication here is republicans will never ever have anything else to campaign on besides the border. So, they will never have an incetive to fix it (unless of course they succeed in ending democracy and so dont need to campaign, but that's a different discussion).

The only way for the border problems to be addressed is if democrats win 4 - 8 consecutive years of legislative and executive control. But republican media will never allow that..

[kl912]

Well, that's a flawed take because Republicans have introduced multiple clean immigration bills before this recent one that you mention. You should read the border bill because it is, like most bills, designed to make the opposition look bad for not voting for it regardless of what was actually in it. Examples of that would be the covid funding bills, the infrastructure bill, etc. It's not that Republicans are innocent in this, but democrats only now care about the immigration topic because it is becoming politically damaging to them. That bill is their way to attempt to flip the blame.

[Juxtapose]

^^ precisely.

[Juxtapose]

Just wait until he comes here to comment with his delusional bullshit and says we are rage addicts or some other nonsense. Maybe he will even say we work for Vladimir Putin xD

[normalice]

Again, republicans killed it not because it was a bad bill but because trump whined about having nothing to campaign on if it passed. Republicans mostly wrote the bill and it had everything they wanted.

[DryGermanGuy]

It was a BI-PARTISAN bill, negotiated by a tough GOP hardliner. Why even put in the months of work to reach a consensus, if some MAGA leader without official office can order the GOP to walk away from their own bill? What clown show is this?

[kl912]

Trump losing a campaign talking point is a valid theory, sure. But the reality is that the bipartisan effort, as genuine as it was, was clouded with other unrelated items like sending (literally) hundreds of billions of dollars to Europe when we are borrowing money to pay interest on our debt. If the democrats were serious about the border, they would've voted for any of the clean bills or at least separate the riders from this bill; which they are unwilling to do. Keep in mind, these are the same people that voted against clean amendments to the 2017 tax bill that would've given single mothers an even larger tax credit because it would make Trump look good.

[Juxtapose]

^^ exactly and there's no way Trump is going to lose the sleepy Joe unless they cheat, border or no.

[Juxtapose]

*to sleepy Joe

[normalice]

It isn't a theory. They admitted to it.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah I don't believe you.

[normalice]

@Juxtapose I wasn't talking to you.

[Juxtapose]

Still doesn't change my answer.

[normalice]

@Juxtapose never entered my mind that your answer could change or deviate in any way from what far right improv actors have brainwashed you with 🤷

[Juxtapose]

Says the guy who can't tell me what a woman is and thinks CNN is some far right operation. Give me a fucking break.

[normalice]

@Juxtapose I've repeatedly said whatever your definition is I'm happy to sign on to. Has that head injury of yours made it impossible for you to even consider the idea that someone might just think the whole issue is irrelevant?

And CNN is the flagship media empire of bothsidesism. When the bothsides rhetoric starts getting flung at the right I'll wonder if maybe CNN really is center/left, but i have found no examples of that occuring in real life. Feel free to direct me to one.

[Juxtapose]

Signing on to whatever definition someone wants is supplanting the objective with the subjective. This kind of thing has real life consequences.

CNN has been consistently on the side of the far left.

[DryGermanGuy]

Never, as in at least till the 2024 presidential elections? Yeah, probably.

[laly520]

will never?
its an ongoing issue

[OtterMan68]

As long as there is chaos at the border, the Republicans have a talking point with which to attack Biden. The border "invasion" is good for the GOP in an election year. They have no political reasons to stop it before November.

If they border was made secure tomorrow, the GOP would lose one its main attack points against Biden and the democrats.