'Protesting' is pointless and doesn't really achieve anything, and is often counterproductive. Agree?

[Siri137]

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"What do we want? (Fill in the blank) When do we want it? NOW!"

And why do they always raise their fists? What is that supposed to mean?

[Chazmatazz269]

It’s not completely pointless. When done mindfully, protesting is an excellent means to raise awareness. That said, protesting alone isn’t likely to change minds. Especially the way some people are doing things now; blocking roadways, destroying property, shaming people who don’t know or disagree.
What i find the most ridiculous about the current war protests is that the people doing the protesting actually voted for the politicians who are running the country right now. They can’t blame any of this on Drumpf, but they don’t want to talk about that. If they REALLY wanted to put an end to the global conflicts, they could VOTE differently and actually accomplish something. In that respect, you’re right on point about the futility of protesting. I get the feeling that these kids don’t really care at all. They do literally everything for likes and follows. No real morals or meaningful values in the lot.

[goaded]

Didn't Trump move the US embassy to Jerusalem? That was a move sure to reduce tensions in Israel.

There's also a huge difference between supporting Ukraine as the victims of an invasion and Israel as the perpetrators of one.

[handsomelad70]

@goaded Moving the U. S. Embassy to Jerusalem was a provocative stunt by Trump. Israel's occupation of Gaza and treatment of the Palestinians is tantamount to South Africa's apartheid oppression of its POC before Mr. Mandela became its first truly democratically elected President in 1994, but that justifies neither Hamas' murderous Oct.7,2023 attack on Israel nor Israel's monumentally disproportionate response to Hamas' attack which has caused a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Both actions are in the zone of war crimes.

[Chazmatazz269]

Once again, your point has absolutely nothing to do with mine. It would be nice if you would brush up on your reading and comprehension skills and STAY ON POINT. Otherwise, please stay off my contributions with your nonsense.

[Gospeedracer]

@goaded I agree but the Palistains aren't angels either. Both Muslims and Jews want to invade and conquer everyone including each other. We shouldn't fight for people that hate us especially while we don't have a dog in that fight.

[9in_Serpent]

Protesting is usually pointless especially if it highly controlled and regulated but when it comes to worker unions it can accomplish a lot! ;)

[9in_Serpent]

Thanks for the mho beautiful!! ❤️❤️❤️

[Siri137]

Any time beautiful! <3 <3 <3

[CrabCakes11]

Protesting is extremely effective. India literally got their independence by protesting

[Abbycado]

Totally agree, Bella.

[BCA6010]

I think the "summer of love" would disagree. Most major cities' police departments still haven't recovered from that, and making comically bad attempts at "autonomous zones" has become a new trope in organized leftist protests.

Broadly speaking however, yes. People do not like getting inconvenienced let alone harassed, and will eventually attribute that experience to whatever cause the protestors claimed to be for.

[handsomelad70]

I remember The Summer Of Love.(I was 14, and the Detroit Rebellion of 1967 occurred about that same time.) It started peacefully until the drug dealers hooked the hippies on LSD and heroin, and the hippies asked Hell's Angels to protect them from the street element. By the end, there are overdoses and rapes galore, and with the help of the cops, the Summer Of Love ended ignominiously.

[lightbulb27]

False, protesting makes changes. It's power by mass.

People will accept the "status quo" until enough rise up to change it... for those in charge would simply see it as "they are right".

People get confused as to right and wrong... for we are living in the knowledge of good and evil.

It doesn't always work though...

[RetroReviews]

I agree with that 100%, it's total waste of time and to me doesn't make one difference at all other than you making a fool of yourself the people you're protesting again so I can see up in the building looking down on you and saying look at this fools who cares what they say. I know I don't got time for it I got a job another responsibilities

[Fireguy17]

It can work/or help work depending on what the cause is.
It worked to help change the voting age from 21 to 18, it brought a lot of attention to the war in Vietnam, racial injustice, women's rights.
As long as it is done correctly, non-destructive, it will at least bring some attention to the subject.
Now encampments with pretty much the same tents might not help the cause.

[RealMarek]

Protesting accomplishes something if it is backed by power. Every successful protest moving has had elite backing, including the French Revolution (backed by merchant elites in order to rid themselves of aristocratic elites who were restraining them). If not, you are apt to find yourself in jail.

[DarkLegacy]

Most protesters are just there to cause trouble to be honest, we just had one the other day when we rightfully deported illegals from the UK. They were all covered up and taking drugs, some are also being paid to protest.

A lot do it just to get attention and be part of something by copying a fashion trend. According to a yougov poll on this topic last week 86% of people say protests achieve nothing.

[handsomelad70]

Eighty-six percent of people are wrong.

[DarkLegacy]

@handsomelad70 Again you do not live in the UK and they are right not one law has been changed in the past two decades because of protests. Most people dislike protests in the UK and the only laws that have been past are laws to ban the disruption caused by protests which the majority of the UK voters support.

[handsomelad70]

Dark Legacy, the U. K. is one of the most retrograde advanced countries. You still have a highly class-based society which has changed little since the days when Oxford, Eton and alumni from other elite U. K. universities were the ruling class and lorded it over the rest of Britain.

[Anonymous]

Today I long agreed its mostly useless. The propose was a public assembly like gag to talk about issues. What they call "protesting" holding signs and walking around is really just advertising in a somewhat outdated way.

Yes minimally effective, although its more valuable in organizing the protestors themselfs. Today such gatherings are far more effective using other means or for other proposes.

Today's public form is mostly online and formerly via TV.

[katiesmuff]

I agree totally with you. They become an area for troublemakers (not even interested in what is being protested) to stir up violence which ends up with people hurt.

[DarkLegacy]

Yes that is true, just like the protesters that tried to stop us in the UK deporting illegals last week.

[Bricealan]

Depending: May get you arrested. May get you injured - seriously, or worse. Puts you on a watch list. Seems those people that do really don't know why they are there... It's a 'happening"

[AviatorTom]

Disagree...

I'm pretty sure Civil Rights wouldn't have happened without protests.

And what was the American Revolution? A protest against the British.

[CriticalCatDad]

Protesting leads to conflict every time. Police tend to have to get involved especially these days. People often don’t even know what the hell they’re even protesting!

[ChicoFromThe305]

All I know is that it's pointless, people can't change the world and if they can, it's not by protesting

[DextroShade]

Bill Maher sums it up pretty nicely:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/V7RNOh9Muk4

[JacobJordan]

Protesting typically only causes annoyance in mentally stable people

[darkcloud1945]

Just WOKE EDUCATED people following people educated to direct woke people to do anything they want

[Snakeyes7]

Protests might work but riots definitely don't.

The raised fist is supposed to be a symbol of solidarity often used by collectivists.

[Anonymous]

Protests are wars without guns.. well some have guns, and bombs... War is pointless too.

[VV3ZZY123]

Lol I agree. Some would argue. But hey it they wanna waste their time looking stupid. Have fun! 😂

[Twalli]

Protesting in a democratic country is one if the best things. As long as they don't get violent.

[war_daddy]

it's effective if enough people do it in a democracy

[Nice222]

I rather work and make money than waste my time protesting

[dolemite58]

Absolutely, I hate when people think they’re actually achieving something while doing it.

[Anonymous]

Yeah protesting does nothing

Revolting or rioting in the other hand might get results

[DeeDeeDeVour]

Protests also bring forth violence.

[Astarlessnightsky]

Protesting has achieved many great things.

[Jennz6]

They are being paid by someone

[handsomelad70]

Ever hear of the Civil Rights, Women's, students, LGBTQAI and workers' movements? They positively impacted America and are being felt today.

[DarkLegacy]

Yes they are

[goaded]

Are you saying you wouldn't protest injustice unless you were paid for it?

[DarkLegacy]

@goaded What we are saying is that most protesters do not care about it, they are being paid

[goaded]

@DarkLegacy Why are you saying that, though? It's simply not true. Around 25 million people turned out for BLM protests in 2020, you think most of them were paid and not one person mentioned it?

[DarkLegacy]

@goaded Maybe true in the USA but not true in the UK. Less then 10% of people took part in any protest ever and those in the UK were self proclaimed anarchists who just wanted to bring down society

[goaded]

@DarkLegacy So one in twenty brits have been paid to attend a protest, and not one mentioned it? (That's still over six million individuals who took part in protests, three million you say got paid.)

[DarkLegacy]

@goaded Why would they admit to being paid you idiot.

[goaded]

@DarkLegacy How on earth do you think 3 million people can keep a secret like that? Have you ever tried organising a surprise party? Not one person reported being offered money to protest, either, afaik. If they did, it's probably someone lying.

[DarkLegacy]

@goaded stop being stupid

[goaded]

@DarkLegacy Seriously?

[Siri137]

@goaded Yes, I have to agree with you on this this time. The notion that all of these protestors are being paid (by whom, and why?) just does not make any sense, for many reasons, including the one you mention (keeping it all a secret - impossible).

[handsomelad70]

Mostly EVERYONE is paid by someone.

[goaded]

@handsomelad70 Yeah, but not to protest, and not by the thousands, let alone millions.

There's at least one PR company that will provide protesters on demand. Guess who they tend to get hired by?

www.latimes.com/.../...tortion-20181021-story.html
"a power plant operator"
"a beverage-industry-backed group"
"a competing manufacturing business"

[Jennz6]

@goaded George Soros

[goaded]

Strangely, no. Is Soros really the only billionaire boogeyman the right can claim on the left? He gets blamed for everything, but he's never, say, treated supreme court justices to lavish holidays, has he?

[handsomelad70]

@DarkLegacy BS.

[DarkLegacy]

@handsomelad70 No it is not

[DarkLegacy]

@jennz6 the comments on your answer just got to show easily fooled so many modern people are

[DarkLegacy]

@goaded Not even 3 million people in the UK took part in the BLM protests, you have no idea what you were talking about, most of them were putting on a show for the media and harassing car drivers to get attention

[DarkLegacy]

@siri137 You are not showing any common sense as usual, no one is going to admit to being paid because they want to show they support the cause. But there are organizations that do do it for a living. Seeing as you also do not live in the UK you would nt know and because of what jenz said it happens in the USA as well.

[goaded]

@DarkLegacy We were talking about "any protest ever" in the UK, and you were laughably pretending none of them care about the issues they're protesting about and most of them are being paid. Both are ridiculous assertions.

Like I said before, nobody has ever even reported being offered money to attend a massive protest, which would have to mean that somehow the sinister people behind the fake protests managed to pick people with no moral compass 100% of the time.

[DarkLegacy]

@goaded No i did not. You are changing what i say to suit your argument, and how do you know nobody has reported it. You do not live in the UK

[goaded]

@DarkLegacy You said: "Less then 10% of people took part in any protest ever and those in the UK were self proclaimed anarchists who just wanted to bring down society.", while claiming "most protesters do not care about it, they are being paid."

I think the only way you could believe that is if you wouldn't protest injustice unless you were paid for it.

Surprise, other people would!

"In February 2003, 1.5 million people protested in London against the looming Iraq war."
www.theguardian.com/.../slugs-iraq-war-london-protest-2003-legacy

[DarkLegacy]

@goaded that was a long time ago and just a statistic in a woke newspaper. How can they prove that, did they count them all lol. And i did say most people do not care what they are protesting about and that is true.

[Jennz6]

@DarkLegacy he never denied it

[goaded]

@DarkLegacy No, it's not true. Hardly anybody turns up to a massive protest without believing in what they're protesting about. That's obvious bullshit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2762027.stm
"Estimates suggest at least a million people, and very possibly more, joined Saturday's anti-war protest in London and other cities and towns.

The London march was the largest political demonstration Britain has ever seen and the biggest taking to the streets since VE Day. "

[DarkLegacy]

@goaded how is it so, it just sounds like you are easily fooled and brainwashed. That quote: 'estimates suggest' so not fact and most did not actually care about what they were protesting about.

[goaded]

@DarkLegacy Your arrogance is astounding. You pretend estimates are meaningless, but that you, and you alone, know exactly what everyone there was thinking.

Given estimates ranging from 700,000 to 1.5 million, you think it was really, what, two people paid to run around really fast?

[DarkLegacy]

@goaded You are just ignorant

[goaded]

@DarkLegacy Well, I certainly don't know how you can know what's in other people's minds with absolute certainty.

[DarkLegacy]

@goaded Same with you

[goaded]

@DarkLegacy Well, you think that they're out protesting even though they don't believe, and I think they're protesting because they believe. Which do you really think is more likely?

[DarkLegacy]

@goaded I think you beginning to bore me

[goaded]

@DarkLegacy Yes, that happens a lot with people who are losing an argument.

[DarkLegacy]

@goaded I have already won the argument

[Siri137]

@DarkLegacy LOL. I don't often agree with 'Goaded' here, but this time HE won the argument! That's just a fact.

[DarkLegacy]

@siri137 it is a fact that he lost, you are just bitter because of previous disputes. Typical woman. And i live in the UK whereas neither of you do so i know better.

[goaded]

@DarkLegacy You know I'm English, right?

[Siri137]

@DarkLegacy I was BORN in the UK (Lancashire). And why on Earth would I be "bitter because of previous disputes"? I'm not like you, you know. And there's no such thing as a "typical" woman; we're all different.

[DarkLegacy]

@Siri137 modern women are practically clones of each other with their personalities

[Pterodon]

The civil rights movement achieved results

[Amur8711]

Depends on how you do your protests