Is it considered misogynistic to encourage young women to focus on becoming mothers and wives instead of encouraging them to focus on a career?

[CriticalCatDad]

Yes, it is misogynistic

No, it is not misogynistic

[MzAsh]

I don't know if I’d call it misogynistic but it’s most definitely disrespectful to a woman’s natural inclination towards an ambition of her own. Butker’s speech was incredibly tone def and smug. You can tell he actually thought he was saying something anyone wanted to hear.

[BCRanger10]

Because they did want to hear it.

[MzAsh]

Those threatened by women’s autonomy, for sure.

[BCRanger10]

That wasn't his audience. He was speaking to Catholics as a Catholic.

[MzAsh]

I made a point to address women specifically for part of it.

[BCRanger10]

Yes, I saw that part. What did he say?

[MzAsh]

He basically said that while careers are great, the real path to happiness for most women is marriage and motherhood. He then uses his wife as an example, claiming her life only really started when she took on the roles of wife and mom. He suggests that settling into these traditional roles is where true happiness for women lies.

[BCRanger10]

The exact quote is "I'd venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world." So no, he did not in fact say that the path to happiness for most women is getting married and having children. For one thing, he was speaking to these women specifically. From personal experience, I can confirm his assessment. For another, the implication of this statement is that a career is a means to an end and not an end in itself. A career will be over sooner or later. Love and family continue.

As for what he said of his wife, again, the exact quote (or at least the key phrase) is "She will be the first to tell you" that her life began with marriage and family. So there are two distinct possibilities here. The first is that his wife herself has said it in one way or another and the other is that he practiced the speech in front of her snd she said "yep, that's right". It's like what Mark Twain said. The two most important days in your life are the day you're born and the day you find out why. A mission, a higher goal gives you a deeper sense of purpose. As a husband and father myself, I can attest to this as well.

And by the way, if I were to give a speech like this, I would tell men the same thing regarding marriage and fatherhood.

[MzAsh]

His speech takes a stab at modernity… women's reproductive rights, personal freedom, evolving gender roles, and modern relationships, because parts of society are terrified of women's autonomy and diversity. They scream about "hard truths" yet can't face that their archaic values are becoming more obsolete the harder they push them.

Even so, he and anyone else absolutely has the right to their own opinions and to say what they want to say.

But as modern women, we need to make one thing loud and clear… we define our own stories, choose our paths, and decide what’s important to us. No one else.

[handsomelad70]

@BCRanger10 I'm a Catholic and find Butker's speech misogynistic. (That would be as if a white football player addressed an African American church group in 1964 and told them God mandated black subservience to whites, thus we should not object to sitting in the back of the bus, not being served at "whites-only" establishments, going to segregated, inferior all-black schools, living in ghettos, being forced to accept menial jobs regardless of our education, and the other aspects of African American life three generations ago which many whites, not only in the South, fervently believed.)

[BCRanger10]

I for one have no problem with stabs at modernity because I'm looking around and seeing the fruits of said modernity and can't help but wonder what's so great about it and why I should be in such a rush to conform. I've been asking for years why I should "get with the program" and have yet to hear a single satisfactory argument as to why, or what makes my beliefs archaic and obsolete (and of course, why). Not to mention that that's the logical fallacy of the appeal to novelty.

Regarding the fear and insecurity? I'd also have to wonder what makes you so certain that that has anything to do with it.

And as for women deciding what's important for them? You'll have to square that up with the fact what women feel pressured to pursue careers rather than marriage and family as well. Thumb through this Instagram story and you'll see a young woman who said Butker's speech made her feel seen and heard...
https://www.instagram.com/p/C7Fpt4YrgmD/

There's also an article out there by a 38-year-old woman who said she felt "betrayed" by feminism. Then there are the videos that have come out over the years featuring women in their late 20s and early to mid 30s crying because they feel they've missed their chances of marriage and children. There is another side to the coin.

[handsomelad70]

I'm Catholic and WHOLEHEARTEDLY disagree with Butker, who is nevertheless entitled to his beliefs.

[MzAsh]

If modern standards don’t jive with your values, you don’t have to subscribe to them. Just understand that many people these days are, and for their own reasons.

These values embracing a culture where women can choose what's genuinely fulfilling for them, be it a career, homemaking, or a mix of both.

The traditional model of one breadwinner supporting a whole family just isn’t feasible for most these days. The average income doesn’t cut it anymore, and that pushes most households to have dual earners just to keep up.

But it’s not all about economics and working for survival. Many women are putting forth the effort to establish careers in industries they genuinely enjoy. This evolution stirs discomfort in traditional narratives because it calls for men to adapt to a reality where women are not just a utility at home for husbands and children, but individuals with their own dreams and aspirations.

And when I advocate for women to tune into their own interests and intuitions, that doesn’t mean pushing everyone to be a boss babe nor does it diminish the value of homemaking. I believe both are valuable. But I believe it’s women should feel empowered to choose paths that make them happiest, without feeling pigeonholed by outdated expectations.

Ironically, many who denounce feminism are living by its principles without even realizing it. They enjoy the benefits of freedom of choice, work, and having a voice. Even little miss pearly things (Pear Davis) wouldn’t have her platform with those foundational feminist efforts.

[handsomelad70]

He's preparing for his next job as Fox NOISE, NOISEMAX, White American Network or some other right-wing crackpot outlet host.

[MzAsh]

Daily Wire 😂 remember the blaze? 🤦🏻‍♀️

[BCRanger10]

No, it's not.

However, if it's Harrison Butker's recent graduation speech that you're talking about, that's also not what he said. He said that the women who were graduating were likely excited about how their careers would turn out, but that they were probably most excited about getting married and having children. I can verify this because I went to this college. I have friends who went there and I know some of the professors. I have a family member who currently works there. Harrison Butker's assessment of the women graduating was accurate.

He did not say that they should stop working and stay in the kitchen, as CBS bold-faced and outright lied about him saying, for example.

[handsomelad70]

Young women, like young men, should follow their dreams, whether as a wife and mother or a career.

[Peridot25]

Would it be considered misandrist to encourage men to have all 6’s? 6 figures, 6 pack, 6 feet, and 6 inches.

[ManInChains]

Not misandrist just unrealistic expectations standards

[ManInChains]

Expectational*

[Peridot25]

Well, that’s what women want. If you want us to drop our dreams and education, you have to do something in return.

[ManInChains]

Chiefs kicker Butker congratulates women graduates and says most are more excited about motherhood - www.msn.com/.../ar-BB1mo3YK?ocid=sapphireappshare Chiefs kicker Butker congratulates women graduates and says most are more excited about motherhood

[The_Santa_Claus]

What does dropping your "Dreams and education" have to do with 6 pack and 6 inches?😂

[Peridot25]

@The_Santa_Claus I’m just saying you should give us something in return.

[handsomelad70]

How' bout all 5'81/2's?