Do you believe Tischgespräche im Führerhauptquartier is an authentic representation of Hitler?

[Anonymous]

the whole book is free on Amazon, it's called Hitler 1941-1944 with a black cover

Yes

No

[MisterWack]

In English it translates to:“Hitler’s Table Talk”. Which these pages are a series of monologues during World War II delivered by Adolf Hitler himself. These monologues were transcribed from 1941 to 1944. So, while it is interesting from a historical standpoint, it’s essential to approach it critically and emphasis on critically since considering the context at hand and potential biases, it is probably a tool of misinformation if someone promotes these words without question.

[Asker]

it translates to Tea Talks in The Wayfarer's Headquarters

nice chat gpt answer tho

[MisterWack]

Actually if you go to Amazon. com you can find “Hitler’s Table Talk: The Complete Edition 1941-1944” By a fellow of the name “Heinrich Heim” which I was referring to. Doing research I was able to find that those are from Hitler’s words which as we know can’t be seen in a factual light, though one with a historical pondering critical thought.

I couldn’t find the Wayfarer’s Headquarters, I even Googled it as you mentioned it and not one mention…. I’ll try to find it some other time.

[NamerOfStars]

These snippets seem a lot more coherent than what he wrote in Mein Kampf.

[Asker]

probably because by this time he was on drugs the equivalent of adderall

[PA19062024]

"It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance" - Said by the most intolerant person to ever walk this Earth? I don't think so.

It's time the world moved on, and left behind the disaster that was Hitler and everything he was responsible for. Far too many people are obsessed with that monster, and it can't be healthy to constantly focus on evil all the time. We need to look to the future, and focus on that.

[Asker]

so you think it's inauthentic

[Asker]

and that's just a fact that pagans were tolerant, the Romans or the Babylonians,, didn't care if you had other gods. in fact they accepted Jehova as a powerful god and were trying to rebuild the temple at Jerusalem for the Jews. but fire from the earth kept coming up and killing the builders. they think it was natural gas now, but back then they took it as a sign from God. they became intolerant of Christians when they started saying every other god was a demon, and all their temples and statues must be destroyed. look into the destruction of the temple of Zeus and the magnificent statue it housed. so much of the ancient world was destroyed by Christians... and only preserved by pseudo Islamic scholars interested in science

[PA19062024]

Yes, it most certainly is inauthentic. And I clearly see your anti-Christian bias here. Pagans were "tolerant"?
Well, first of all, paganism isn't like Christianity or any other religion, because it's a category of belief, like atheism. "Pagans" were called such to differentiate them from Christians, and came in all varieties, some of which were "tolerant", others not. The pagan emperors of Rome didn't like Christianity much, and so would often persecute them. Julian the Apostate even tried to turn the clock back, and restore what he thought was Rome's true religion, but that was predictably a disaster, because most people by that stage just didn't care about the old gods anymore. They'd moved on.

[Asker]

Ok? Julian was the one who attempted to rebuild the temple at Jerusalem. the Julian dynasty (Julius, Augustus etc) attempted to rebuild Carthage. it's a fact! Christianity has always been intolerant. it seeks to destroy what it can't understand.

"a 2014 paper hypothesizes that the columns of the Temple of Zeus have been "intentionally pulled down by ropes during the early Byzantine period"."

[PA19062024]

No, not Julius Caesar, Julian the Apostate (4th century, not first century BC). You're confusing your emperors here.

[Asker]

it's like someone found a common denominator and made a religion out of it to unite everyone. and the common denominator was fantacism over love and peace. even though there's no love or peace in a fanatics heart. but fanaticism is the drug, peace and love is the justification

[PA19062024]

Now what are you going on about? You don't understand Roman history, that much is clear.

[Asker]

I'm not confusing them at all. Julian was recognized as a noble man. very few haters. Christian emperors after him even honored him. he wanted to rebuild the temple for the Jews. what's FUNNY, is the intolerance for the Jews the Christians later had. the same intolerance they inherited from the Jews themselves

[PA19062024]

Julian the Apostate simply didn't have the time to rebuild the temple, because he reigned for only three years, and spent virtually all that time on campaign against the Persians, so even if he had such a desire, he didn't (because he couldn't) fulfil it.
As for the Jews being intolerant, well, all one has to do is read the Old Testament to see that. I wouldn't defend their religion here, because I don't like it either, and it bothers me that so many self-proclaimed Christians support the state of Israel.

[MisterWack]

@pa19062024 He has a lot to learn about a lot
of things by the looks of it.

[Asker]

that's why it was never rebuilt. by the time the delays over workers dying could be overcome, he was dead. and quite frankly nobody else was as pious as him to give a fuck about the Jews temple. as for paganism dying... you could say Christianity was paganism. Julius Caesar forgave his enemies. he so intensely wanted to rebuild Carthage that his adopted progeny tried to fulfill the mission. Paul said, "your alter to the unknown god is Jesus". Jesus said "you are gods". Christianity can be viewed as a side of paganism that already existed before Christianity. the intolerance to every other god though was something new. and you see it in Islam, the insane fanaticism that causes them to destroy things and kill senselessly.

[Asker]

does "it is a spiritual war, we wrestle not with flesh and blood but princes and kings in high places" ring a bell? in other words "we won't be fighting any real wars anymore, instead we will just sit back and complain and act like we know it all. what we don't understand we will just destroy because it makes us feel uneasy. that includes you, Galileo. and you, Aristotle. and the dozens of other ancient scientists nobody knows of now because they were destroyed."

[NamerOfStars]

I disagree. Without a decent level of knowledge of how he became the monster that he did, how can we prevent others from going down the same path?

[Asker]

@NamerOfStars good point man. people who want to ignore the past are delusional. physics is discovering the past and present and future are not simultaneous, but are a chain of events that cannot be broken. therefore ignoring "the past" is as stupid as ignoring the future or the present

[PA19062024]

"... You could say Christianity was paganism..." - No you couldn't, because it's not. The term "pagan" wasn't even recognised at the time, it being used as a term only long afterwards by those who wanted to differentiate the beliefs held by most Christians from those held by most non-Christians. Buddhism and Hinduism would have also been labelled "pagan" if Rome had been in regular and consistent contact with India and China (they knew of these lands, but their interactions with them were largely limited to trade during the good times, like the time of the 'Pax Romana' during the second century).

[PA19062024]

The works of Aristotle were NOT "destroyed"; we still have them. The main reason for the disappearance of works from Classical Greece and Rome wasn't willful destruction by "fanatics", but neglect due to complacency.
As for Galileo, what about him? His conflict with the Pope was largely due to a clash of personalities (they couldn't stand each other, and Galileo was abrasive by all accounts) than anything else.

[Asker]

Look into where the works of Plato and Aristotle and who preserved them from destruction

[Asker]

it was Muhammed's judgement that 'The ink of a scholar is more godly than the blood of a martyr, a scholar is on the path of God." They preserved Greek philosophy, and invented algebra by preserving Greek math

[Theodoricus]

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[MisterWack]

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