So the story is, a 17 year old girl is facing prison time for fighting off a rapist using pepper spray. Her crime? Carrying a weapon. What bullshit is this? I wish she were in the US. she would not be facing any charges. You know your society, tour culture is up shits creek without a paddle when you're jailing people who protect them selves over rapists and criminals. Alas this is laftism for you.
1. Her case should be investigated - which is true of ALL such reports. That's JUST as important if she's 100% telling the truth or if she's 100% lying. We need to know what ACTUALLY happened.
2. in my opinion, if someone initiates a violent crime against you, then you should be immune to prosecution for whatever you needed to do to defend yourself. If they want to issue her a $50 fine for the pepper spray as a civil infraction, fine, but it absolutely should not be a criminal charge.
3. If you live in a country and you allow self defense and self-defense tools to be made illegal, then you are not only screwing yourself over, but you are also encouraging criminals to commit violence against you, because they know you can't defend yourself and that they likely won't get prosecuted (because any government that punishes victims instead of criminals isn't going to be enthusiastic about prosecuting criminals).
4. If you allow mass immigration into your country, and ESPECIALLY if it's from a country with very different values than you have, your country WILL be much less safe, for GENERATIONS at least. That doesn't mean you shouldn't allow ANY immigration, but the VOLUME of immigration needs to be small enough that the immigrants you DO take can be properly vetted, and that they can integrate into YOUR country's value system. That doesn't happen with mass immigration - you're effectively importing THEIR entire culture and values system into any areas they concentrate into - and that's when things go horribly wrong.
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If this was in a democrat run city she would probably go to prison. If it was a more citizen friendly city she might have a parade thrown in her honor.
I thought certain states in the usa will charge you if you kill an intruder? I don't know the full story but it was something about if you shoot a robber in the leg and he can hold it against you somehow… I don't know but the usa ain't much better lmao
Not in direct self defense like that. For home invasion sure, but not like if you're actually stopping someone from raping you.
Thank God I don't live in one of those states. In my state the moment someone crosses the threshold of your home their life is forfeit. And if you have no trespassing signs and they come on your property anyway you have the right to shoot them.
There are a handful of states which make self defense extremely difficult legally (New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Illinois come to mind), but most US states have quite strong self defense laws.
And while a criminal that survives can sue you (or their family if they don't survive), that doesn't mean they will win, or that the case won't be throw out. Certainly, though, avoiding the states that essentially outlaw self defense is a good policy.
Despite many attempts, California's laws aren't as terrible as you would think - though the major cities ARE totally lost because of their city and county-level laws and lack of enforcement and prosecutions. California does have "castle doctrine" (if people invade your home, you can defend yourself with like levels of force and don't need to retreat) and outside of the 8 or so most populated counties, it's pretty easy to get a carry permit that is good STATEWIDE.
Certainly things could be even better, but the states I mentioned are actually much worse in a lot of ways that really matter.
Exactly. You're only safe when you or someone guarding you has the means and ability to keep you safe. That's why the phrase "under my roof, under my protection" exists.
Oceanside is in San Diego county, and while this county is somewhat conservative for being a heavily populated California county, it's still liberal enough that the DA *might* charge the homeowner. Chances of a conviction are very low (unless there is something more in the case than we've been told), but many of these DAs have been funded by George Soros, who decided to spend his money on many smaller elected offices rather than the big races, because he can do more damage that way. And that's how we've gotten so many DAs that would much rather prosecute victims than criminals. Still, the law is very much on the side of the homeowner, and short of some crazy evidence, doesn't have much to base the case on. If they did, he'd be in jail already.
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What the absolute dog shit? The fuck was she supposed to do? She's a fucking kid for God's sake. If she goes to jail, I'll see if I can donate to her defense, or when released I'll even make her a fucking dinner.
A lot of countries are quite restrictive in carrying weapons but force can be used in a commensurate degree. I'd agree with you that it is unreasonable when used to stop rape.
There is a degree of vagueness in everything and I am not inclined to let emotive statements trigger my conclusions. Media specializes in that. The guy could have been ripping her panties off. He could looked at her and said something that made her fearful. She was obviously fearful enough to be carrying pepper spray routinely ( i assume ) and that fear might have made her trigger happy. in both cases she could say she fought off a rapist.
There is just not enough here other than emotive words to go by. If a gym girl didn't like the lewd way a gym guy was looking at her she is not entitled to assault him with pepper spray.
There is a wide range of circumstances that the headline could have behind it. Better to let police investigate and the court system to decide.
You don't know that. You can't just pepper spray someone willy-nilly. Pepper spray may only be used legally if circumstances deemed absolutely necessary for your protection. You can claim someone tried to rape you, but if there isn't surveillance footage, witnesses, defensive wounds, etc. then it's your word vs there word. If they have a face full of mace and you have no harm done to you, but you thought someone was going to rape you and they claim they just asked for directions to the coffee shop, you're going before a judge.
Pepper spray in not considered a lethal weapon , so that is messed up that she is being charged with protecting herself , why so many laws are stupid when it comes to shit like this
Don't make an issue of it. Just pay the fine which is less than $56 in U. S. dollars. Then continue to carry pepper spray. She won't be fined again unless she uses it and if she needs it paying the fine is no big deal.
Its not the point. There is an issue of it… Technically she can't even fight back because attacking someone is illegal no? The point is, the greater chance that someone committing the crime thinks they have of getting away with the more it will be done.. Now if most guys knew a chick would pepper spray their ass then they would refrain from doing it…. Same goes for guns, if dude thought his dick was going to get shot off, he wouldn't relish the chance of doing it, unless he's a straight psycho then she better have a gun.
@kmg9150 Everything is illegal but if there is no penalty or some insignificant fine that may occur once in your lifetime, it doesn't matter. If it is important enough to you to spend a couple of years of your time and $100,000 to change a law, then do it. For me, I have better things to do.
Illegal weapon my ass. Defending yourself should be supported, not criminalized. That girl should be congratulated and given compensation for the trauma inflicted upon her. European laws are completely insane.
Well you say we wouldn't do that here in the US, but it happens all the time especially in areas under the jurisdiction of Soros-owned District Attorneys, even in states that are historically seen as strongly pro self-defense such as Texas.
i mean good for her. i would have done the same in her place. like rape is a horrible crime that i wish on nobody. BUT owning a firearm is a crime in many european countries. and imagine the guy never tried to rape her. then she'd just have broken the law. and that's why she should still be punished for it, even tho the outcome of her committing that crime had a positive outcome for her. cause on the face of it, she owned a firearm first and that was already illegal. the fact that she used it in defense does not make owning the thing legal.
doesn't matter what the item happens to be. if the law prohibits the ownership of whatever item, then a fortunate outcome in the defense from a crime using that item doesn't make the ownership of that legal. laws always work in principles.
Typical daily mail race baiting headline. If you are carrying an illegal weapon you don't get a free pass because you needed it one day. The law doesn't work like that.
The fact that that is your thought process makes me hope you don't have daughters.
Thank God I live in a country where self defense is legal and encouraged.
The likely hood of a person using pepper spray on an innocent is exceedingly low. Like even from US stats, less than 0.01% of pepper spray usage is on innocents. Accidents with it are more likely.
Your attitude toward self defense is exactly why the US kicked the uk's ass in the revolutionary War, the war of 1812, and why you nearly had your ass handed to you in WW2.
I value my life and safety. It's a shame that you're too obtuse to see that.
Why are you questioning why a girl is carrying something meant for self-defense? Doesn't matter how often she carries it, what the hell do you expect her to do hon, get raped?
Typical leftist response. The fault is always with the victim. No comments are made whatsoever about the perpetrator.
The question that should come to mind is why does a 17 year old feel like she needs to carry pepper spray. And as it turns out, she had been absolutely vindicated in her decision to do so. From the sounds of it she may have been raped had she not done so. But a total whoosh over PP's head.
Incidentally we're hearing more and more instances of young girls and women feeling unsafe at the hands of immigrants. We've heard how in the likes of Sweden, parts of major cities have become no go areas, absolutely rampant with gang violence. Again, another whoosh forthcoming. 'It's DM propaganda'. This is from the woman who claims to live in an entirely (or 98%) white rural area.
Come and live in my town. You'll be in for a rude awakening.
The funny thing is, if you go to gigs these days, you'll typically get these feminist leftie bands, slagging off men, saying we're the perpetrators of violence, and that those with traditional views 'victim blame'. The victim blaming is almost entirely coming from the other side. It's the culture and justice system that would rather protect the perpetrator rather than the victim.
Her using it on an assailant, thats what stopped her from using it on an innocent person. Face it you simply can't say the law is ass backwards. Dont step outside your residence because you'll be provoking rapists because your a female, and aside from this case, there's a 99% chance you won't be able to defend yourself because you'll be following the law…. But its ok, because you were able to left the guy rape you and now he's the criminal….. Hmm does that mean if a woman is escapes while being raped and she naked she should get charged with indecent exposure and labeled a sex offender? Wait isn't attacking someone regardless of a weapon illegal, so they should just sit there and take it right……. Now tell me you still think she is wrong……@purplepoppy
If a girl says that he's a rapist? Do you believe it immediatly 🤔 Pepper spray is a weapon, if the guy turned out to be a real rapist, he attacked her to rape her and she used the pepper spray than all charges will be eliminated and the guy receives a proper punishment!
While pepper spray is legal in all 50 states, you need to be aware of restrictions in your state, county or city. Some areas, like Wisconsin and California, limit pepper spray usage to a certain size canister and percentage of OC
I like how other countries uphold laws. People know where they stand and nobody gets a free pass. She should have been carrying something that is legal to carry. Law is law. Side note. I hope she melted his face.
What was incorrect was your statement stating that not all states allow you to carry pepper spray.. Which is false, all states allow it, some states regulate the size, but none prohibit it.
Of course not, but you did say "all areas of the US" the which the only places you can't carry it are schools and government buildings. But going by your "all areas" statement one could infer you mean states too. It's what happens when you don't use precise language.
I said "areas", gentlemen. And that meaning you have to have permits and jump through restriction hoops too in a number of states. So it's not legal everywhere until you meet those individual requirements, saying it is, is wrong.
Except that there aren't permits required to carry it. I've looked. That first link I sent you shows the relevant case law. What I posted above is a direct quote. The only places that out right prohibit it are schools and government buildings. There are no cities that prohibit it, nor are there states. They do restrict the size or ammount you can carry, but that's it. So no, other than government buildings and schools, there are no places where it's illegal, there are no places that require a permit.
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