Should men have a say in abortion?

[HawkPerception]

Yes

No

[just_a_potato]

Men should have an opinion. And they should be able to try to sway their partner in a specific direction without being seen as the bad guy. Afterall it took both partners to conceive. But at the end of the day, the decision still ends up in the woman's hands, the one who's carrying the conception for 9 months.

[HawkPerception]

Took the words right from my mouth.

[just_a_potato]

On the same wavelength at times sir 😌

[Lliam]

Yep. That's my opinion, too.

[Razp_Sorbet]

They can be a part of the discussion but ultimately it's the womans choice as it's her body.

If you don't want to be a father then make sure you use condoms when having sex or don't have sex at all.

If you do want to be a father, make sure the person you are having sexual intercourse with is on the same page.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

for the fatherhood option, I just want to edit your last line and state "make sure you don't use condoms" 😆

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Maybe_Maybe_not well it's more make sure you only sleep with people who have the same ideas as you. So even if you do use contraception and it fails you're on the same page.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

that's a very good point you're making, now that I think about it, I should pay a closer attention to that lol

[Lliam]

They can certainly have an opinion, but not the final say. After all, it's not just a simple matter of having a baby, she has to carry it for 9 months and deliver it, with all the inconvenience, massive expense, and all that her body goes through in the process. It's easy for guys to tell her to just have the baby. They're not the ones who are pregnant. I doubt if most of them could handle it.

Just as he has no right to force her get an abortion, he has no right to force her to carry the child.

At the same time, if the guy doesn't want it or never wanted it, but she decides to have it anyway, it's on her. He shouldn't automatically be on the hook for child support. He didn't have a say in having a baby, so he shouldn't have to pay for it unless there are underlying circumstances.

Since women are the ones who get pregnant, preventing unwanted pregnancy should be their responsibility. All kinds of birth control methods are available. Plus, if it's her body/her choice, she doesn't have to choose to offer sex in the first place.

Condoms make for crappy sex but, for idiots, they are better than nothing.

Every one of my partners were on the pill, and that's just one of the birth control options that are available these days. I once estimated that I must have came inside women well over 5000 times and we never had one pregnancy scare.

[UnicornLobotomy]

Ultimately, they do. Men gave women the right to vote and ultimately hold power over the political aperture because they enforce the laws and are the fighters that historically can and do overthrow governments.

Guys who don’t admit as much and though on the surface they might be cold, but factual, are usually weak physically unattractive and dishonest. They tend to have sinister ulterior motives and believe they must appeal to what they believe most women believe to associate with them and to get a trickle of female attention.

I hate abusive men, and from what I’ve seen its the meth head types or simply weak and usually fatherless men who have pro-abortion beliefs and who would say the father shouldn’t have a say or even that men shouldn’t have an opinion on the matter either way. My heart hurts for kids who were r-ped though, obviously thats a tough subject or the toughest subject in the world for that matter, and the abortion should happen in such a case, the perpetrator should be executed. Such things usually happen in poorer places where there are no strong male leaders in the community.

Im sure I kicked up the hornets with these takes.

[CheeseMonster]

Of course, if they're the one getting it. Otherwise, they should get about as much as a say as they'd get in any other serious procedure a woman gets: as much as the woman wants.

If a woman gets pregnant and says to her boyfriend, for example: "I'll keep it if you commit to stay, and we can raise the kid together as a family. But if you're not ready for that, I'm also not ready to do this alone, so please tell me now so I can get an abortion instead." Then she has effectively given all of the say to the man in the situation, and that's fine. The man can decide whether she gets an abortion or not by deciding whether or not he's ready to commit to raising a kid with her as a family.

If the woman had instead told him that she wasn't ready to have a child regardless of his commitment or their relationship, and that she was getting an abortion, that would mean she gave him none of the say in the decision. That's okay too.

I do believe it's important to communicate though, no matter what decision or how much of it you're making with your partner. If the woman just assumed that her boyfriend wasn't ready to commit and raise a kid with her, instead of talking with him about it, then she would be forfeiting that part of the decision that he otherwise would have been able to make for himself. The same as if he tried to stop her from getting an abortion because he assumed she really was ready to have a child, he would be taking away the part of the decision she should have made for herself.

[blueonblack22]

I get it that a woman has to carry a baby to term and go through the pain of delivery.

But what about scenarios where the father wants to keep the child but the mother doesn’t (and he’s willing to take full custody)? Usually the mother gets to proceed with abortion and the man has to live with the psychological anguish that his child was murdered. He gets no say.

That I have a serious problem with. It’s not like every would be father has a peace of mind that the mother decided to have an a abortion. But he’s literally told “tough luck” and it’s “not his body” by pro choice activists. But some men really want to be fathers.

[Razp_Sorbet]

Then they should sleep with people who want to be mothers 😊 forcing women to change their entire lives to carry and birth a child they do not want is fucked up.

[DrPepper12]

He gets NOTHING. He had has say when he had unprotected sex. A baby is the "finding out" part.

[blueonblack22]

@Razp_Sorbet thank you for your delightful response above. Yes of course it’s always the man’s fault and the woman should hold no shame or accountability for anything. It is “her body” after all. I mean who cares what the father thinks or what men think in general. They are expendable just like unborn babies.

You know once upon a time democrats argued that abortion was meant to be “safe, legal and rare”. Now they are giving away “free” abortions at the democratic national convention. 25 unborn baby fetuses were murdered at the DNC in the last few days.

It has now gotten to the point where abortion isn’t just about having the inconvenience of not having a child. No. For modern women having an abortion is a STATUS SYMBOL now. Something to be “proud of” which is incredibly sick and deranged.

[blueonblack22]

@DrPepper12 “he gets nothing”. Why am I not surprised you would say something like that.

[Razp_Sorbet]

Of course women need to take responsibility, mistakes happen that is why we have abortions. But men also need to take accountability for themselves, it's simple as I said if you don't want children then make sure you're protected from that, you can't rely on other people. If you do want them make sure people you are sleeping with have the same morals as you. Simple.

Also that did not happen at the DNC. A mobile planned Parenthood clinic was giving free birth control, abortion medicine and vasectomies for free in Chicago but it was in no way sponsored or associated with the DNC which was held multiple blocks away.

No (sane) woman is walking around being proud of having an abortion. They're not easy things to go through. Just because people are being open and honest about their experiences and not hiding it away in shame does not mean that it's being used as status.

Why on earth do you want children being born into parents who don't want them or have no financial way to fund their lives? I bet you're also against free universal healthcare, extended maternity leave, paternity leave and childcare funding?

[DrPepper12]

It's not hard. Sex has consequences. Men need to Take necessary precautions if you don't want a kid. Told my sons IDGAF if she says she's on the pill. No STDs and no kids. BAG IT!

[DizzyDesii]

In my opinion yes. Its his baby too. I dont support the abortion thing but in the end it sucks that the person carrying the kid will have more control. Too bad some women wouldn't just give birth and give the baby to the dad if thats what he wants. If we were in a sims game, we could just trf the baby to the guys stomach lol

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I think woman should be able to decide what to do with their bodies.

As much as I don't like abortions, as bad for society as I think our attitude about them culturally is, it's even worse to tell a woman they absolutely have to give birth.

But I do think there should be repercussions of she goes against the wishes of the man. Especially if it can be shown beforehand the man clearly communicated their opinion on the matter.

At the end of the day it's not just the woman's life, it's the babies life which came from the man and that's a very special connection also.

[BCRanger10]

Yes. We have built, defended, fed, and maintained the society in which we live, and we are citizens of the same. As such, we are allowed to have opinions on abortion. And we are one half of the equation in making a child to begin with.

Plus, if "no uterus, no opinion" is to be held consistently, then it applies here as well...

[madgoat]

Assuming abortion exists as an option, it makes more sense for the woman to decide if she's going to go the distance with the pregnancy and for the man to decide if he's going to acknowledge it and support it.

The alternative is that they both need to assent to the pregnancy or the abortion, or they are in disagreement. And I can't see that process ever working.

[CB-Raido-Time]

Yes I had my say in it 41 years ago after my ex girlfriend revealed to me one night that she had a abortion after breaking up with her ex before we saw each other and I broke up with her right after that. I knew there was a life missing that should have been there but was absent and that wasn't OK.

She remained friends with my Mom up until my Mom past away a few years ago, but as far as the relationship that we had it ended. So the answer is men do have a say in abortion even if it's after the fact.

[HawkPerception]

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you on that one 😂

[CB-Raido-Time]

I don't know what part of it you disagree with but it's true that happened and that was that.

[HawkPerception]

"I don't know which part of it you disagree with..."

"Yes..."

"So the answer is men do have a say in abortion even if it's after the fact."

You can't be serious man... you're saying even if the relationship doesn't work out, you have a say in what the girl chooses to do with her body?

[CB-Raido-Time]

No I'm not saying I had a say in what a girl did with her body. I had a say in what a girl did with someone else's body when she murdered her baby aka abortion. I had a say in what she did when I told her goodbye. She murdered her child and I basically told her to hit the road and that is a say in what she done.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@CB-Raido-Time
Worldviews aside, the reasoning here is problematic, the embryo, what you call the body inside her body is:
Her body

[CB-Raido-Time]

@Maybe_Maybe_not Embryo's that are in fact human you mean. Do you think your word games will suppress the truth?

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

hahahaha well I didn't have much hope given the force of your belief, but.. I tried lol. See ya

[Summeroflove]

I don’t think abortion is okay at all. It’s cowardly. If you don’t want a baby. Don’t have sex. Period…. End of story. (No pun intended).

It’s just like dudes who fuck around. Then refuse to raise their baby or pay a red cent in child support.

[DrPepper12]

Totally agree!! Fuck around and find out! The find out part last 18 years dad..

[Summeroflove]

@DrPepper12 that’s exactly right. The only people I ever feel bad for is the kids. The moms complain but they don’t want to share custody. They want all the benefits from the state and child suppprt to spend on herslef.

The men never want to split custody either. They don’t want to pay anything

[Summeroflove]

@DrPepper12 I don’t know why it’s so hard for sone people to abstain from sex. I would say most of many peoples life problems is because they slept with the wrong people. All the drama not just the kids part.

[DrPepper12]

@Summeroflove. I agree. This is not complex or Occam's razor. Her body, her choice. So simple! Don't want the responsibility? Take precautions.

[Summeroflove]

@DrPepper12 this is true and the men too. So many men act like they’re victims as well. When they laid down and had sex witn someone they knew wasn’t a quality woman and wonder why they try to use hkm

[bobby_bush_eater]

Absolutely.

She didn't get pregnant on her own. Ultimately it's the final choice of the woman but I think it should at least be a conversation where both speak of their opinions.

I don't have casual sex anymore but if some situation did happen, I'd be devastated for something like that to happen without my knowing.

[DrPepper12]

A conversation is fine. But she is the ultimate decider.

[bobby_bush_eater]

@DrPepper12 it's almost like that's exactly what I said...

I would be pretty pissed if they had just done it without telling me anything though. I don't engage in casual sex anymore so it's entirely hypothetical.

[thegreenyogi]

This really depends on the situation but what is for sure is that forcing the other person to have a child against their will leads to building up resentment in the long term so Like I said it depends on the situation really.

[ManInChains]

Well… It takes two to make a baby… The baby would have a father either way so I say yes the father should also have reproductive rights. Just because the baby isn’t growing in him doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve reproductive rights. Men are humans too and fathers are just as important as mothers.

[DrPepper12]

Then he should have worn a raincoat. He had a say then! Her body, her choice. Too bad dad

[serious_miss419]

What do they physically, emotionally, mentally and essentially compromise one’s own physical body for a 9 month duration; just to mention a few minor things all while “keeping it all together” with the rest of life..
Perhaps I’m unclear what they contribute in order for them to justify they should have a say?


I’m genuinely asking what do they…
So don’t get all War Man at me when I’m asking to understand 😊 thank you gentlemen -

[DrPepper12]

They cum. They walk away. They should get no say at all.

[Kori1236]

Only if he was a participant in the creation. Even then the final say falls to her. But only the people involved have a say or an opinion on it.

[TheLovelyIntrovert]

Sure they can be a pos and run their mouth but in the end it doesn't matter what they say or think. Women don't need men to support them and certainly not a worm that would ask a women to abort her baby. Those men can just not exist in this world.

[FunkyMonkee]

Yes! It's half their kid.
MAYBE a woman should have more say so in the matter because it's her body that's gonna be changed and possibly harmed because of it but, it SHOULD STILL be a joint decision.

[coxoabean]

Yes, it's his baby too. Abortion is wrong also, it's just terrible to kill a baby

[DrPepper12]

It is his fetus too but he gets no dominion over her body. Should have used a condom - he had a say then!

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 you do know that sometimes condoms don't always work right? Stuff happens too. And actually sure he doesn't get dominion over her body, but he does over that baby that's his too

[DrPepper12]

Nope nope nope. If it fails, then you discuss it. Still she gets choice. He can't force her to carry his kid. No negotiation on that.

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 that's her consequence to having sex. She shouldn't have sex if she doesn't feel she's in a point in live to have kids. Gotta keep those legs closed if you're just ok with abortion. Abortion should be illegal totally period.

[DrPepper12]

As if the whole reason for sex was procreation... NEWS FLASH! People enjoy it!!
She has agency and autonomy over her body and can do whatever the fuck she pleases with HER body

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 She can, but the guy should have a say too. You should watch this movie
https://youtu.be/nnh5cg7-80w?si=IhWmNPMSq44O3cKt

[DrPepper12]

No. I'll die on this hill. The idea of some guy telling my daughter she's going to carry their baby to term because he says so is OUTRAGEOUS & OFFENSIVE it defies logic.

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 it's his baby too though, so that is unfair. How should it be ok for her to take the life of his child because she doesn't want it?

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 “The fetus, though enclosed in the womb of its mother, is already a human being and it is a monstrous crime to rob it of the life which it has not yet begun to enjoy. If it seems more horrible to kill a man in his own house than in a field, because a man’s house is his place of most secure refuge, it ought surely to be deemed more atrocious to destroy a fetus in the womb before it has come to light.” — John Calvin

[DrPepper12]

Your religion has no power here. Be gone with your delusions and lies!

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 actually your wrong, religion does have power, well the right one! Christ has power, forever and always has and always will! Nothing can stand against the power of God!

[coxoabean]

And it seems none of us are changing eachothers mind, so ya I'll end the argument, but abortion IS wrong and a sin

[DrPepper12]

May The Great Spaghetti Monster pass you through the colander of life and your meatballs be plentiful. Amen.

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 the spaghetti monster isn't real, that's just a silly religion and it all started out as someone messing around.

[DrPepper12]

Blasphemer!!! Heretic!!! Witch!!! Heathen!!!

JFC just LOOK at what you wrote!! I'm dead... ☠️☠️☠️

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 ok? What do you mean look at what I wrote? The spaghetti monster isn't real and if you believe in that, I don't even know what to say. I'm not a blasphemer for saying that a blob of spaghetti flying around doesn't exist lol, and thinking I have to wear a colander on my head and eat lots of pasta😭😅😆🤣

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 Christianity is a religion that has always always existed. There's no arguing that, look back all the way in time, there was always always Christians

[DrPepper12]

Always huh? You're too much!! Try this: I'M GOD!!! Prove I'm not!!

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 No, that's blaspheming and I will not do that. I feel like your just bitter towards God and maybe that's why you don't believe in him? Something happened to cause you to doubt God's existence

[DrPepper12]

Yeah. It's called science and math. I applied the scientific method to the issue and let's say God lost. I tried logic, probability, Bayesian probability and tautological reasoning. Guess what? God lost again. It's time to put your magic sky daddy back in the toy chest now, it's the only way forward for humanity.

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 God NEVER loses! He Always wins! ALWAYS!! You also are blaspheming God so I suggest you don't do that. It doesn't matter what you believe about God, that never changes the fact that HE DOES exist. You know muhammad and buddha all these false gods their bones are still in their grave, but Jesus' are not. There were several people who saw the resurrection of Christ. every other god requires you to do everything perfect to get to heaven, no love, no grace, just pain, no hope. Yet, the true God, Jehovah requires none of that because he knows we aren't perfect. He wants all to be saved. Tell me why the Bible is the most read and popular book in The world if God isn't real? Tell me why Christianity is the #1 religion? Tell me why these other religions with their gods like buddha and what not, why are their people not happy? Do you really think they have peace and hope? I'll tell you I am so grateful to know, to Live everyday knowing That I AM going to heaven when I die because I placed my faith and trust in Christ! I believe in A God that was human flesh, that has power, not some rock, not some nonliving object, or not some human that's a sinner just like you and me.

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 I have seen hundreds of people turn to Christ, when they were living hopeless lives. You know zombieland? In phillie where there's all the druggies hooked to fentanyl, they're dying and hopeless, those under the bridge are guaranteed to not make it out from under there alive. They are dying, they're slumped over, dying, living in misery, no hope. Nobody to love them, no help. You know what a life without God looks like, what a city, town, country without God looks like? It looks like that. When you forsake God, you end up hopeless. There's people there tho who my Pastor and people from our church went there and gave some of those people hope. They shared the gospel of Christ with them. People like that, who have nothing left in life, you know what, sure they've got nothing here on earth no riches for them, but they are richer than those here on earth with all they're money and wealth with Christ. Riches and money fade, they never stay, they don't truly comfort or make anyone happy in the long run. Money destroys people's lives. Look at the celebrities, hear them talk, they are not happy. They thought they would be with all that fame, they're not truly happy

[DrPepper12]

As much as I love to refute everything that you said because it's wrong, I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain it to you. You are in deep! I can see that the cult that ignorance is strong with you. You're living your life for a lie. You're wasting your time your energy your body your mind on a lie. I have no idea why anybody would do that. Oh, by the way, God loses plenty of things! You can sing Christopher or the Hebrews wandering the desert for 40 years lost

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 you know, I will pray for you. I feel bad that you really don't believe in something so amazing and that would give you so much hope in life. God is so amazing. Jesus is amazing. What a Saviour that Jesus would die for you and I, for the sins of the world, so that we can have eternal life, so that we would never have to suffer in hell. Tell me what other god has died for their people? No, the other gods are more about themselves. Tell me what other god has ever healed people. What a a Savior is Jesus my Lord that he has suffered, beating, mocking, ridicule, pain and agony, shame for you and I, so that we can have eternal life. What a Saviour that even tho I sin daily, Jesus forgives my sins daily and gives me grace I do not need. That his redeeming love is with me everywhere I go. What a Saviour that I can lay my head down every night and know I will never go to hell. To know that I am saved. To know I have hope. To know that I have a Saviour who will lead me in the paths of righteousness. To know a savior who is always looking out for me. To know that I can have peace when others think I shouldn't. To know I am loved no matter what. To know that he will always win. I just think it's so sad that people don't believe in him. I mean you believe in air which you cannot see. You depend on it to give you life, you know it exists. Yet you don't believe in God who is the literal oxygen we need to survive. You know he could snap his fingers any second and you'd be gone from this earth

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 i feel bad that you miss out on praying and seeing the healing power of prayer. That you are missing out on the being loved by your creator. Usually when people are as bitter as you, and don't believe in God, it's because of something they went through that caused them to stop believing. Our earthly fathers are usually going to place a picture in our mind of who God is. That's why God has the commands he has. But maybe you didn't have your father in your life or something, and that could be why you view God this way. Or maybe you do yet you didn't feel he loved you. Something happened to where you felt God wasn't there. You were born, a long with every single person on earth, was born with the knowledge of God. Sometimes people go through things tho that cause then to doubt God.

[DrPepper12]

Yawn 🥱

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 your choice. Im not going to force God in your life. There are many people who used to be like you that are now believers. Like Lee Strobel

[DrPepper12]

And Saul on the road to Damascus... And Constantine on his death bed... Blah blah blah...

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 ya your choice. Your flat out rejecting literal truth. One day when your judgment day comes If you don't change the way you are thinking, your sadly going to look back and wish you would have believed. I mean what do you gain not believing? But then what can you lose not believing? But then believing, what can you gain? Eternal life that is!
You do realize, that The same energy and faith your using to believe God doesn't exist is the same amount of faith it takes to believe God DOES exist right?
www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/639.Lee_Strobel
https://x.com/LeeStrobel/status/94498155558750617

[DrPepper12]

LMFAO! Waste your life. It's all yours until your dead and then you won't even realize your God doesn't exist!!!

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 my life's not a waste. I know my God exists because I have seen him work in my life!!

[coxoabean]

@DrPepper12 Just wait, you'll see he's real. When we all fall before him to worship at his feet. To give him the honor and praise he deserves, those who rejected him will stand in awe

[DrPepper12]

How do you know it's a male? Why does he deserve worship?

[JesseP1nk]

I think man have a say in this. If man say he does not want to have a baby, then he does not have to pay alimony and be part of childs life. And then she can decide if she wanna keep the baby or not. I think that would be fair

[DrPepper12]

He wins the stupid prize of an 18 year commitment when he didn't wear a condom. Her body, her choice

[WhitneySnow]

No. Her body, her choice. If he wants a baby he needs her consent too. And if he doesn’t want a baby he should’ve used a condom.

[DrPepper12]

THANK YOU! I have no idea why this concept is so complex! If a man wants to say in a kid he has to use protection first. Stunningly the protection will prevention having a kid therefore no discussion is necessary!! Once she is pregnant he forfeits any set! Sure they can discuss it they can discuss it until he's blue in the face in the end it's her choice! She can have an abortion or she can raise the kid and he would have to pay for that child for 18 years! If you play stupid games you're going to win stupid prizes.

[LiamJHayden]

How would it be enforced? Have all women of child-bearing age go in for monthly testing? It would of necessity, as with all things government is given control over, become super intrusive.

We should have the right to try to persuade women to not abort, but ultimately trusting government with that power would be a slippery slope toward totalitarianism.

[Metalbarbie]

The father should be involved with every decision of the child. The mother and father no one else.

[DrPepper12]

Hard disagree. He gets nothing. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...

[Vegasrunner]

Nah should be between a woman and her medical professional I do believe that men should have a say in if they want to financially support the child

[DrPepper12]

If? They forfeit that option by not wearing a condom.

[Vegasrunner]

@DrPepper12 Nah, even w/out a condom it's a crime to force a woman to have sex, so if she chooses to have sex and can have the right not to keep the baby the man should have the right not to support the child. Unless you're making the claim that men are superior to women?

[DrPepper12]

Wtf? Consent is presumed in this scenario. If he didn't use a condom then it's his clean up in aisle 18 years

[Vegasrunner]

@DrPepper12 Now I understand your confusion. I'm saying whether he's wearing a condom or not isn't relevant as parties agree to the decision to have sex. Since both parties agree to have sex either each party should have a right to make a personal decision or no party should have the right to make a personal decision. Currently in many states only the woman is allowed the right to make a personal decision. In the interest of equality the man should also have the right to make the personal decision of if he wants to provide financially for the child. Hope this helps

[DrPepper12]

It's not equality. It's not even close. Is the guy in any way risking his health? Money for pre Natal, hospital and post partum care? Future reproduction? Loss of wages? Loss of life? The fact is a guy has no skin in the game beyond cum. If he doesn't want a kid bag it.

Hell why stop there? A man should also have a say in breastfeeding too right? Be consistent!!

[Vegasrunner]

@DrPepper12 I think I understand your confusion. You are correct as under the current system it's not equal rather heavily waited in favor of the women as in some states still she is the only one that has a say in the matter. I'm advocating for equality by allowing the man to have a financial say in the matter. The things you mentioned don't have anything to do w/ my comment which makes me think you're either not understanding or are simply making random things up. If women have the right to deny life to the child, men should have the right to deny financial support. That would be equality. If I understand your argument your claiming that only women should have the right to deny the child life however men shouldn't have the right to deny the child financial support. Where's the equality in that or are you making the claim that you don't want equality?

[DrPepper12]

That's precisely my argument. She's the carrier, there is no equality. Never will be.

If he wants to avoid 18 year financial hassles he had to make that decision BEFORE they fuck. After that he made his choice and 100% control goes to her. It's not equal. It's fair. It's just. It's appropriate. It's correct.

[Vegasrunner]

@DrPepper12 I agree there's no equality, currently the woman has all the advantages. If "they" have sex then that means that it's a choice made by both parties, so why should only the man have no say. It's not equal, fair or appropriate. Fair would be allowing the man to have a choice, the only good news is that at least power has been given back to the states and some have decided to make it equal by taking the choices away from both the woman and man.

[DrPepper12]

Cuz
It's
Her
Body
Why is that so hard?

[Vegasrunner]

@DrPepper12 I'm nir sure why youvrhibk it's so hard. Seems pretty straightforward woman have the right to keep or not keep the baby. Men should have the right to provide or not provide. If you want equality, if you're saying you don't want equality then yes currently it is unequal in favor of women. Hope that helps.

[DrPepper12]

You can't make it equal. its biologically impossible

[Vegasrunner]

@DrPepper12 What does biology have to do with finances?

[DrPepper12]

You can't balance out her inconvenience, risk and opportunity cost. You can't. It's inherently unequal.

Don't wanna pay child support? Take precautions. Why is this so difficult for you?

[Vegasrunner]

@DrPepper12 So it sounds like you agree with my point, which is the system is weighted in favor of females. A Better question is why is it so difficult for you to understand that I've presented you with two obvipous precautions. To make it equal a man would have the right to waive his financial obligation. Or a women shouldn't have the right to kill her child. As I've stated several states have already attempted to make it equal by preventing women from having that right, so seems like most people would rather take the rights away from both men and women. I'm in favor of equality, If I understand your position you're against equality?

[DrPepper12]

I can't. I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain it to you.

[Vegasrunner]

@DrPepper12 in my opinion you've done a terrific job of articulating your stance. You are in favor of women having all the advantage, and the thought of equality frustrated you because you don't believe in holding women accountable.

[DrPepper12]

Zero. Zilch. Nada. Nill. Cero. Rein.

It's EXCLUSIVELY HER DECISION. 🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑

[OfMiceandMen]

I said yes, but need to qualify only if they are still in a relationship. If the father has nothing do with the mom, then it should be entirely up to her, as he will most likely be an absentee father, anyway.

[MicahRaine]

As a pro-lifer, if the father is in a relationship with the mother, yes. Otherwise, no.

[jackieistired]

It depends. If an abortion is for safety concerns, it should trump his say. But aside from that, there are a lot of things in play

[suckmytitties]

If he is in the relationship yes. The government…absolutely not.

[Buiwue]

Yes we should. I get It’s not a straightforward thing but it’s half our DNA and men bare the brunt of the financial burden without being allowed to see their kids.

But I’m also kind of against abortion. I think it’s sad. It is also the woman’s fault for getting pregnant in the first place. She knows her body and should take precautions, ending a life whether a fetus or not is tragic

[DrPepper12]

No, we shouldn't. Both have an obligation to prevent pregnancy. Don't want an 18 year commitment? Bag it.

[AviatorTom]

Yes, men should have a say but it is ultimately the woman's choice. She is the one who will be pregnant for 9 months and most likely have to be the main caretaker for the child, if born.

[TallGuy8383]

Yes because it's half of our DNA as well. It takes two to make a baby and it should take 2 minds to decide whether or not abortion is the road to travel or adoption is another good road to travel

[DrPepper12]

No! She gets 100% say. He made his choice when he didn't bag his Willie!

[TallGuy8383]

@DrPepper12 it takes 2 to make the decision to go raw. Therefore I have a say

[DrPepper12]

No. You don't. There is no way in hell a guy is going to tell MY daughter or nieces that they're going to carry a baby to term because he wants it. That will never happen.

[TallGuy8383]

@DrPepper12 well then tell your daughter to stop spreading her legs. Be fuckin responsible when it comes to another life coming into play my guy...

[DrPepper12]

I've told all my kids that insistence on protection is on them and for my boys IDGAF issue says she's on the pill, there's still STDs SO BAG IT!

Both people demanding consent and protection is RESPONSIBLE!

[TallGuy8383]

@DrPepper12 no it's your job as a dad to tell them to use protection. Fucking use it, it's there for a reason. But if she does get pregnant, there's plenty of us that want to adopt.

[DrPepper12]

What did you not understand about the fact that I've counseled them to use protection? And if you want to adopt there's plenty of kids to adopt! Put your money where your mouth is and take your kid out of foster care. I'm sure all kinds of good Christians who don't believe in abortion would do that... Right? GTFOH with your fake piety

[TallGuy8383]

@DrPepper12 little do you know, I've adopted two children. Cost me about 70 grand. So yes I have put my money where my mouth is. My wife has an adoption support group for waiting moms and I have one for waiting father's. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. Why don't you take a child from foster care or adopt a child?

[TallGuy8383]

@DrPepper12 so yeah, when it comes to actually adopting a child, I can run my mouth because I've experienced the pain and wait that a couple takes on during the process and the mind fuck that it can bring as well

[dustybiker2]

They have a say when they choose to have sex.

[sirderpsalot123]

The father has a right to expess that he wants the kid without without being shamed. The rest can have their opinion, but shouldn't except women to care what they think about it.

[sirderpsalot123]

express

[Taylor22424]

Yes, in fact, they should have more of a say in it. Men operate on what's real while women operate on ideal.

He also put the seed in her and pregnancy doesn't require her to organism. Amongst other things.

[BigManSAB]

It’s her body her rules, and your sperm your rules. If disagree on abortion walk away

[Ladsin2]

Yeah, just not sole. The choice for men should be the right to not pay.

[DrPepper12]

Why? He contributed half the mess. He has to clean up on aisle 18 years.

[Ladsin2]

If the woman has the right to determine whether the child lives or dies, I think the fella should get to decide payment. If it's the case that women don't have the right to choose life or death then the man doesn't have the right to decide payment.

[DrPepper12]

Shidda thought of that before. Actions have consequences.

[Ladsin2]

@DrPepper12 They should. I just don't think it should be asymmetrical.

[DrPepper12]

No dude is ever going to tell my daughter or nieces what to do with their baby. That's simply not happening. 🛑

[Ladsin2]

@DrPepper12 What? Women have the choice to keep or kill the baby. I say if that's the case men should have the choice to choose whether or not to pay for it. If a woman doesn't have the ability to choose whether it lives or dies, then the man should have no choice either.

[DrPepper12]

He made his choice when he didn't bag his Willie. Sex has consequences

[Ladsin2]

@DrPepper12 ok

[Dargil]

When it is his wife, yes. Also, men who are voting state legislators on abortion bills.

[msc545]

Since men are made financially responsible for children they father, they should have a say in whether or not women can murder unborn children.

[DrPepper12]

No way!! He had a say when he didn't put a raincoat on!! Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

[worldscolide]

Inside of a committed relationship or marriage, yes, outside of that, no, never.

[nawtee_me]

If men have to pay child support if she keeps the baby then men should have a say if she wants to kill the baby….

[DrPepper12]

No. No. No. Her body! If he didn't want a kid he had a say in the decision when he didn't use a condom. Too bad dad

[DextroShade]

If it's his offspring he should have a say in what happens to it.

[Gdude9]

Yes they should have a say. Plus you have boys in your life who are counting on you’re voice

[DrPepper12]

He forfeit that say when he didn't wear a condom.

[question_asker]

The only "say" that any man or woman should have on abortion is that it's immoral and should be illegal

[goaded]

Yes, obviously, but not the final say.

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[Breanna_nonbinary]

Nope

[Cheerfull009]

Should b choice of both

[DrPepper12]

No. It's uniquely and solely her choice.

[Cheerfull009]

@DrPepper12 if husband/boyfriend want baby, then?